What's the hardest fight in all of Pokémon and why

>>30613436
power herb caught me off guard

>>30613436
its pretty easy if you have a flame burst salandit or torracat but yea otherwise its pretty hard because of the one-turn solar blade

Mimikyu was way harder

The first fight against Hau's alola raichu is probably the highest difficulty curve the series has had yet.

I really didn't have any trouble with this one, Flame Bursted the crap out of it. Wishiwashi was harder but I even managed that in one try. Bit disappointing after /vp/ built up for ages how hard they were but I guess any battle can be hard if your team doesn't match up.

>>30613478
nah I just sent out Baracat and he fucked it up

kommo-o was hard af

>>30613508

>being this overlevelled

Anyway, I think Mimikyu is harder. Lurantis could be rough but at least you have options like Torracat. For Mimikyu, there's barely anything that can take it's attacks, it has Disguise to guarantee a free hit and a helper summon, and there are so few Steel types in the game, which is the only weakness worth using because let's face it, you do not want to use another Ghost against this thing.

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I'm glad I can keep being reminded about how bad /vp/ is at a game for children

>>30613436

In theory, this fight shouldn't be that difficult. Colress gives you the Flame Charge TM, it's easy if you use it.

The way the AI works is that the game will read your inputs and calculate damage ahead of time to check whether Lurantis would be KOed by the next attack. If it will, it uses Synthesis. If not, it attacks.

It's efficient. I've seen it charge up a Solar Blade while its health is in the red because it knew it wouldn't die.

The key to winning the fight is outspeeding it. Lurantis' whole deal is that its Totem Aura Speed boost ensures that it'll move first, so it can heal before you hit it. If you outspeed, it can't stop you from killing it.

>>30613436
Try to fight Wallace in Emerald at the same level as his mons and a type that doesnt resist Water, guaranteed hardest fight in pokemon because of how bulky his water types are.

>>30613436
>not having a fire type in your team
and once again, a random anon shows his incompetence.

>>30613436
I lucked out with getting Trumbeak as the ally which meant that I didn't have to deal with the worst of Solar Blade's nonsense.

I paralaized Trumbeak and then Kennisis (raised an Abra without realising the Evolution Move Glitch was a thing) until both were the consistency of Stormtrooper.

>>30613512

Elaborate? I'd like to hear more about this. Is it hard if you don't use the exp share?

>>30613436
Bitch.

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Is this the hard check for "fighting ability beyond targeting weaknesses" of gen 7?

>>30613436
I literally used a charjabug 4 levels higher.
It wrecked bith castform, the bird and lurantrees

>>30613436
Paralized it and then spammed air cutter with my oricorio, it wasn't that hard.

>>30613436
I gotta say, I had some trouble too. Didn't expect it to summon Castform for weather, although I had a good amounnt of resists on my party.

More difficult at least than the immensely anticlimactic water and electric trials.

>Wishiwashi in rain
>oh fuck oh fuck those attacking stats
>spends entire battle using Helping Hand on the smaller Wishiwashi
>apparently it has Water Gun, which isn't really a problem since it's so early in the game but it doesn't even use it

>Vikavolt + Battery Charjabug
>only uses its shitty base 70 attacking stat for Spark

Lurantis was really the only battle where they had a challenging gimmick and actually dared to use it.

>>30613533
Mimikyu didn't give me much trouble to be honest. Neat that they gave it a berry to cure status, you can't attack or Toxic it on turn 1. But really, you just need a decent physical wall, and keep Haunter alive so that it doesn't summon a Gengar. It only uses Sucker Punch anyways, off its shitty Attack stat.

>>30613561
I had Mareanie and Salandit/Salazzle and Lurantis was hard. I pretty much let Lurantis get hurt only by poison while I focused all on Trumbeak.

>>30613436
Because you're a retard that didn't pick Litten?

>>30613436
After hearing how hard it was I purposely played badly because my pokemon are usually over-leveled but I forgot the rest of my team were low level pokemon I was trying to level up. After I died I tried it again with the same team and won. Lost of a lot of pokemon but my MVPs Pyukumuku and Ariados came through. The random team did better than expected.

With a properly leveled team it's a 10/10 fight. Would fight again.

>>30613559
That's a pretty good fight. Only half of his team is a challenge and that is if he buffs his gyarados or double teams his ludicolo. Then it's just milotic which I only remember running out of moves and using recover to stay alive. I think I had something with thunderbolt and my pokemon were over-leved. At the same level it would have been a real challenge assuming you have a fresh team. Otherwise I don't see how I could stand a chance.

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>>30613436
this is harder

>>30613436
I was coasting on Brionne and this fight caught me offguard holy fuck.

>>30613898
And then she won't give you the badge. Goddamn I hate that bitch.

>>30613436
This was the only boss I had trouble with. It smashed me a few times with S.O.S Castform into sunny day. I had to power level my growlithe because i was too reliant on Brionne at that point.

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>>30613436
depends what you classify as "hard"

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>>30613512
>draining kiss

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>>30613436
Lads you need to try out this game first

Wishiwashi and Salandit on that island were harder to me. I had a Ribombee for Lurantis and it just completely wiped it before they could set up the sunny day gimmick. Ribombee also made the Kommo-o fight a faceroll as well.

>>30613981
Whitney is easy if you have a Rock-type, of which you can get a few early on.

But then again you could say that for Lurantis as well.

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>>30613610
Is that supposed to be referencing Hard Mode Matador? Fuck that fight, shit was annoying as hell. That fight + Noah gave me AIDS.

>>30613939
my gba would be broken on the floor.

>>30613655
This
Work up + fire z move under the sun one shotted the bitch.

>>30613436

I like that Wishiwashi, Salazzle and Lurantis all have at least the potential to be tricky fights, depending on team composition and RNG. For me Wishiwashi tends to be the hardest, because I normally have two pokemon tops in my team at that point and unless one of them is grass I'm normally going to have a bad time.

I hope they refine the Totem mechanic further in the future, I think its the most fun addition to this gen.

>>30614236
Agreed. Some are even pretty challenging, and due to the stat boosts and 2v1 mechanic it's difficult to steamroll them even with a type advantage, whereas many gym battles could be plowed through with a single Pokemon.

>>30613436
Oricorio used Airslash
I had more problems with mimikyu.

>>30613436
Mimikyu was way harder with this faggot Haunter with hypnosis, its one-hit free pass and way better SPEED than your team at this point

>>30614290
Air slash is level 36, surely you mean cutter unless you were breeding.

>yfw it was Gamefreak showing everyone how to use a Castform

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>>30613981
reminder that you can trade a drowzee for a machop in goldenrod and karate chop this bitch into the next life

>>30614647
When will people stop with this meme? It's clear you haven't tried it.

Miltank 3HKOs a level 20 Machop with Stomp. The combination of Attract and Stomp's flinch chance will cost you a few turns. Miltank is bulky enough to take 3 Karate Chops as well, and since it's faster you will lose if you don't have at least one or two other Pokemon on your team that can take a hit and do some damage.

Machop gets Seismic Toss, but with Miltank's high HP this won't do more than a 4HKO either.

What about BW1 Ghetsis? His Hydreigon gave me a lot of trouble and I had to rely on a Quick Claw Darmanitan to KO it.

>>30613981
Totem Miltank when?

>>30614803
>The combination of Attract
stopped reading there

it's a female machop

>>30613436
Stole his herb so no problem

>>30614946
I think that was actually the only Pokemon trainer I lost against. I mean, Whitney gave me trouble when I was still like ten years old, but I haven't had problems with her since. Ghetsis is actually really strong, because he has a full team that'll make sure you'll be down at least one or two mons by the time you reach Hydreigon, and it's got such great coverage that it can hit almost anything for super effective damage, or at the very least neutral.

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>>30613533
>tfw didn't play the game yet but am planning to get Incineroar and A-Muk

Will this make the game too easy, anons?

>>30614984
Okay, fine. It still gets 3HKO'd by Stomp. Even without flinching that means it'll get wrecked since Karate Chop is also a 3HKO and Machop is slower.

Catching Tapu Fini was a bitch.

>Aqua Ring
>low catch rate
>had to stall it to struggle for it to be catchable

>>30615010
A-Muk makes Battle Royal easy to rack up those BPs though.

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>Flamethrower
>Lurantis was burnt!
>Lurantis fainted

It was over in a single turn
Not even the totem pokemon's innate Sturdy hax could save it

>>30613460
I had a flame burst salandit. I didn't expect Rock Blast from the regional bird at all since I didn't spoil me anything before playing. God I screamed in like 4 different languages when I saw that bird using that.

>>30615085
>Flamethrower
>Lurantis is level 24
Who were you using and what level were they

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>>30613610

I'm really tired of seeing Nocturne as a measure for "hard" turn-based combat.

The only difficulty in the entire SMT series is facing a new boss. The End.
After you've fought something even a single time, you know what moves it's going to use and in what order, and you can just make a party that could win just by spamming attack.

And even if you can't make a full immunity team, you can still easily win by just repeating ad nauseam "Attack with three members, spam cure with the fourth"

There's absolutely no strategy involved in JRPGs, and "hard modes" are pathetic. All they do is increase numbers, which means they just force you to grind more for absolutely no reason.

>>30613512
He literally can't hit Mimikyu.

>>30613586
>Evolution Move Glitch
Explain. Why didn't my Kadabra learn Confusion at lv. 16?

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>>30613512
>Play rough on turn 1
>fainted on turn 2
>summoned help fainted on turn 3

Yeah, it was a nightmare alright

>>30615350
The only time I wiped was against blue but mostly because I didn't bring any healing item through the gauntlet and had to fight him with a badly indjured team.

When I fought Lurantis, not only did it never call a Castform, it never used Solar Blade. I didn't even know it had a Power Herb. I had no idea it knew Solar Blade.

>>30613512
>fairy z move turn 1
>ohko through protect

Nah, anon

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>tfw Lusamine's Clefable nearly sweeps you with Moonblast
All her mons where like 3-4 levels ahead of me

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>>30615567
>Clefable used metronome!
>Clefable used Stealth Rock!

>>30613436
>think this'll be a breeze with Salandit
>Lurantis summons Castform
>Salandit gets ganked by the two of them
>every other mon I had either couldn't outspeed Lurantis or OHKO before it could use Synthesis
>only hope left is Brionne to take out the Sunny Day Castform
>youretooslow.png
>Solar Blade zandatsu

I did eventually win by wasting all of my free revives but holy shit was this tougher than I expected. My favorite totem fight without a doubt.

This: >>30613466

>>30613478
Same, I actually lost to Hau that time. Still mad

>>30613436
The hardest for me was suprise buttsex Red that comes out of nowhere when half your team is dead

>>30614803
>>30615021
Yeah, friendo, you're just really bad. I played the shit out of Crystal when I was a kid. I always did the trade for Rocky and would send it in to take on her rollouts and screech her and then literally anything else (except my Quilava) would clean up.

I always had a Poliwag/whirl and would hypnotize it sometimes too. Then i'd bully it by throwing sand/mud at it until its' accuracy was as low as possible.

I always traded for the Machop, but only used it once. I got the bright idea to train it once and found out I just really don't like it and I quickly ended up replacing it.

>>30613436

It was tougher than expected mostly because of my Salandit going down early to its helper. The thing is once it used its herb I was able to paralyze it with a force palm from my Hariyama who also had enough bulk to absorb hits while I revived everything that I lost then wore it down with Knockoff

>>30613436
Lusamine clefable actually used high horse power against my Salazzle.
Then started setting up

Lusamine's clefable was the hardest in the new games IMO. I didn't have a steel type and salazzle didn't have any poison moves except toxic which was useless due to magic guard. Plus their metronome RNG was on point. It was just a long fight.

>>30613436
Personally, I had most trouble during my Champion battle, against Blue in Yellow. But that was because I was a stupid kid who was ridiculously underleveled.

If going by difficulty alone, I'd say Ghetsis, Cyrus, Gen III Steven or Gen IV Cynthia come to mind. All of them had great teams, and weren't easy to beat.
Or any of the Frontier Brains. They're pretty hard to beat.

>>30615762
Wtf, I used a Mimikyu at basically the same level at it and I 2hko'd it with SD+Shadow Claw.

Lurantis was a bitch as the only thing in my party that resisted it was Toucannon which got critted and fucking died but I had a much harder time with Mimikyu.

>>30613460
Or arcanine

>>30613478
Sandygast is a perfect counter

>>30613478
This was the biggest spike for me. Hardest battles, though, were Hau before E4 and Gladion before that. His fuckin Crobat...

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>Dexio's Espeon

>>30613436
What is this meme? The entire battle only lasted one turn

>>30615899
Overleved? Equal level Torracat WITH ZFire only half killed it, then it healed.

>>30615762
Yep, Clefable was turbocancer

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>>30615899
>/vp/ bitches about how pokemon gaemz are too easy lmao
>/vp/ somehow manages to find SM hard because it requires slightly more brainpower than XY to breeze through
>/vp/ goes autismo and thinks the games are hard in any way
Basically this

>>30615922

Same here. Though when I fought it, it spammed Trumbeaks instead of Castforms so I didn't have sun support. If anything they're worse, what with Supersonic hax.

>>30615762
I near one shot it with Muk at equal level. I dont even remember what move it used on me.

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>No weaknesses in gen 3 aside from Dragon
>Double Team
>Water Pulse
>Ice Beam
>ChestoResto

I had to PP stall the nigger out of Ice Beams so I could slowly KO it with Aerial Ace from Swellow while getting confused every other turn. Fuck this thing.

>>30615925

I haven't seen anyone complain about the increased difficulty, however great or small you feel it is. Everyone seems to be pretty happy there are least some tricky fights now.

Mimikyu was hard as shit, took me 3 attempts and a shit-ton of revives and super-potions I was able to do it.

>>30613512
mimikyu is kommo-o's worst nightmare

I used Pyukumuku against Totem Vikavolt and Mimikyu. They died in two turns.

>>30613939
And people wonder why Walrein is my most hated pokemon. Same fucking garbage every gen. I want to kill it a thousand time

>>30613436

First trial captain (androgynous normal dude) caught me off guard with his sanic Smeargle.

Wiped once each to Wishiwashi, Lurantis and Mimikyu, as well as that fucking fight against Dexio and Sina when they have an OP Mega Alakazam.

Very satisfied with the difficulty going in blind and without exp share. Hardest game since Emerald.

>>30613436
>my alolan grimer manages to get a sneaky Poison Fang in before it gets rekt by solar blade
>badly poisons
>proceed to stall it to death with my other pokemon

I definitely wasn't expecting the power herb though, that was great.

>>30613466
This holy fuck.

>>30613436
You just got the fire z-move before this one how did this challenge you at all

>>30615922
Looking back I must have been, I used flame charge with an alolan marowak, but then it's not like I tried to grind or anything so everyone should have been around the same levels I was?

>>30616182

>Using z-moves

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>>30613436
THis is basically the new wattson

If you didnt pick a certain starter, theres almost nothing available before said fight that can be good against it.

>>30615350
Certainly not when Mimikyu uses Fairyum Z at the start and one shots him.

>>30613541
this tbqh

>Replaying Black in the run-up to Sun & Moon
>Breezing through it
>Get to Clay
>Get obliterated three times in a row
I have no fucking idea how it happened because in my first playthrough when Black released I had no trouble with this fight at all. This was the only time I ever wiped multiple times to the same opponent, too.

>>30616250
Cyndaquil from island scan

>>30615762
I had my Salazzle with a poison move ready, but Clefable outsped me (8 lvls ahead) and metronome'd a fuckin Magnitude 9.

Not even mad, it was so ridiculous i had to laugh at it

>>30613436
Lost twice. Came back with Flame Burst Salandit holding Firium Z.

After that I made a habit of just one shotting all the totems with Z Moves.

None red was a good challenge tho

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>>30613466
>Take down Disguise
>Use Decidueyes Signature Z Move
>KO in one turn

>>30616041
what the fuck did you do

>>30613436
I had such an easy time with this fight, i don't even remember doing anything special to complete it. And I didn't even start with litten. What problems do people usually have with it?

Alolan Grimer muscled through the Luantis fight. The Wishiwashi one was hardest for me, I ended up having to rely on Poison stalling to win.

>>30613981
never had a problem with her

beat it with Litwick, lol

>>30613436
The hardest battle I remember was Steven in post-game emerald.

Nothing in gen 7, I can assure you
I'd say one of the following
>Whitney
>Johto Red
>trying to snag everything from Greevil
>Sinnoh Cynthia round 2
>Unova-1 Ghetsis

>>30613436

I swept it with Salazzle. Granted I don't think it got a cast form to give it sunny day, but still.

Mimikyu was harder.

>>30613436
The Sylveon you fight just before entering Lush Jungle kicked my ass so hard I was actually surprised.

>>30613436

reminder that muk/grimer cleans this thing up, as with most trialmons

>>30616384
Innards Out

lurantis, guzma's ariados, and wishiwashi were probably the hardest moments in SM, but nothing will top the sinnoh E4 in terms of difficulty

>>30613436

The Fisher from R2 Pika Cup.

anyone who says otherwise has obviously never played Pokemon Stadium.

>>30613512
Only totem that I OHKO'd, and I wasn't using exp share to become overleveled. 4x weakness on the last one? They were asking for it.

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>>30616383
>use Z-Move first turn
>it just breaks the disguise

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>>30613512
>Primarina used Moonblast

>>30613436
I admit this fucker almost destroyed my entire team, beat her with my grimer if I remember correctly but the rest of my team had fainted. Admittedly I didn't have the best setup but I enjoyed the challenge.

>>30613436
OHKO'd it with Ribombee's Pollen Puff.

The only total that hav me a hard time was Salazzle, the rest were pushovers.
Kinda disappointed desu

I was always massively underleveled so almost every fight was a toss-up between either total cakewalk or The Somme Offensive. When I took on the Elite 4 my entire team was down by at most 10 levels (except for Lunala, who ended up MVP at the end of Kukui's fight as last mon standing)

>>30613449
That and the fucking synthesis.

>>30613466
Mimikyu was easy. took it down first try with a Crobat.

Imagine the bullshit of Sun and Moon difficulty hacks
>Mimikyu with +2 in every stat who calls in Gengar, Mismagius and Drifblim.
>Kommo-o with +3 in every stat who calls in other Psuedo's.
>Lusamine's entire team with +4 in every stat.

>>30616494
>trying to snag everything from Greevil
Shit man,I forgot about this. The game as a whole had some decent challenge.

>>30616978
>trying to capture that fucking Sudowoodo after going through the slog of Ludicolo healing themselves
That's my ptsd from Pokemon. Watching that shit dance out of the ball while Miror.B's music plays.
Not even Suicune, Raikou and Entei were that hard in comparison to Sudowoodo.

>>30613898
Hard as fuck the first time, finally manage to fell her fucking Kingdra. Won't give up the badge, has to have her elite four,then champion calm her down.

Lance, just fuck your cousin, for the good of all future challengers of that gym. give her the dragonite

>>30613436

The fight with the Mimikyu was harder than this one.

>>30613436
>use Firium Z with my Salandit and finish it with Flame Burst

Pretty ez

>>30615762
>Didn't have a counter for a fairy on my team
>Her fucking Clefable now has totem pokemon stats

I've never been more steamed.

>>30613436
Grimer and Salandit was underlevelled so I had to spam feather dance on it and friends just so Salandit can use Dragon Rage on it. Brought Brionne out just so the Power Herb would be wasted on Grimer.

First fight that was really hard and fun. The trials afterwards are hard and fun too but this one prepared me for them.

>>30616494
>Greevil
I prefer Colosseum but I can safely say he's the hardest story boss of Orre. When he has all six Shadow Pokemon they hunt you down with either the bird exclusive Shadow moves or Shadow End and when you return later to snag Shadow Pokemon you may have missed he spams Earthquake.

>>30613512
It was the easiest for me though.

>>30615705
That's literally my point. It's fine if you can outspeed it and cripple it with status (although Poliwag probably gets OHKOd if Hypnosis misses) or if you use a Rock-type, but suggesting Machop is a meme since it can't beat Miltank.

>>30613478

That was the first time I'd lost ingame in a decade.

>>30613436

That was the second.

>>30613436
Rekt it with Salazzle, git gud

I picked Litten, so that Totem Wishiwashi was a bitch. The only reason I pulled through was because I transferred Greninja.

>>30617740
>having a Salazzle that early on in the game

Wow grinding makes things easy? I never knew

Roll Trumbeak. Acquire currency.

>>30617770
Never grinded, only natural result of battling every trainer and wild encounter

>>30617832
Anon, if you're leaving your exp share on you shouldn't be telling others to git gud.

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>2HKO'd Lurantis with my Dartrix while taking minimal damage from X-Scissor
>mfw seeing all these people say that it's the most difficult battle in the game

>>30617892
>waahhh i'm too much of an elitist baby to use the convenient game feature

>>30617899
It definitely seems like RNG plays a heavy factor, especially when people are saying Lurantis never used Solar Blade or Wishiwashi only ever used Helping Hand on the ally it summoned. Neither were the case in mine.

This game also, more than usual, heavily punishes you for coming in a few levels under. If you've left the EXP Share off too long or are compensating by rotating mons in and out of active status, you're liable to run in under leveled and the game's increased focus on giving your opponents better stats comes in to whack you.

It's definitely up there. Really well-designed battle that needs you to play smart to win if you didn't pick Litten.

I don't consider Whitney a challenge because it's so heavily RNG based unless you go in specifically knowing ahead of time what her deal is. It's entirely up to luck how well you'll do if you're not overly prepared.

>>30617952
>It definitely seems like RNG plays a heavy factor
This definitely seems to be the case. I didn't actually have any trouble with any of the totem battles in SM but I admit that I had some luck on my side. Ironically, I had quite a lot of trouble with the E4 and champion battle even though most people here never talk about those. I would go as far as saying that the Alola Pokemon League is the most difficult league in my opinion, maybe tied with Sinnoh League.

>>30615940
Using haze every third turn will keep the AI spamming double team

>>30618013
What I noticed was mons were hitting a lot harder than I was used to across the board during the big fights. I'm still not sure if I was just using shit mons, if they had shit IVs, or the important NPCs getting maxed stats played that much of a difference. Things like Mandibuzz, Mudsdale, and Alola Muk could often tank things, but even then I sometimes found myself in danger of getting swept.

Playing on Set and only occasionally turning on the EXP Share to keep up when it felt necessary definitely contributed to the feeling, as you'll probably be forced to eat a hit with regularity to get a good mon into position. I also tended to want to keep everyone up by the end of a battle just because I wanted them all to get EXP.

I ended up making a lot more use of status, especially Toxic, and defensive buffs than I usually do in game. It was a nice change of pace, though I'd like to run through it all again to get a better understanding of how it all works now that I'm not going in blind and just mucking about.

>>30618074
The pokemon of trainers have all been confirmed to have high IV/EV's and in some cases maxed ones. It's also been confirmed that the battle tree scans your team and thinks of counters to set you up against and on higher levels it flat out cheats such as things like confusions, attractions, flinching and paralysis happening 100 percent of the time.

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>Trumbeak/Toucannon used beak blast!
>Absolutely obliterates every single fight except Wishiwashi (since he was still a pikipek) and salazzle

>>30617373
>but suggesting Machop is a meme since it can't beat Miltank.
Except it's not and it can. That one time I used it it wiped it up handily.
1.Focus Energy on Clefairy
2.Karate Chop for days
3. 2EZ
Unfortunately, I realized that I wanted the EXP for something i'd actually be using and reset so that somebody else could get in the last hit.

>>30618074
>if they had shit IVs
If I wasn't sure it was just bad RNG I would've sworn they made IVs on non-ally pokemon you catch worse. Every single one of my pokemon had all IVs in the single digits and a lot had a 0 or 1 in HP.

>>30618132
>Totem Mimikyu ate its Lum Berry!

>>30615027
I just used a parasect with water absorb on fini, ezpz

Only hard part of the fight was resisting the urge to spore on turn 1 since I needed an abra at the front for synchronize

>>30615350
Pretty sure the totem Kommo-o has Flash Cannon.

>>30618161
>
What's the best nature?

>>30618074
>or the important NPCs getting maxed stats played that much of a difference
This definitely plays a huge role in the difficulty of SM. In the first Nanu battle I had my lvl 39 Togedemaru (base 96 Speed) against his lvl 38 Krokorok (base 74 Speed) and the Krokorok just flat out outsped and OHKO'd before I could use U-turn. It was so absurd that I couldn't believe my fucking eyes. Togedemaru's base Speed is over 20 points higher and I was at a higher level too and still slower. And in case you're wondering about EVs or natures, my Togedemaru doesn't have a Speed-lowering nature and I had fed it a couple of vitamins too so it had some Speed EVs under its belt.

In the later important battles too I felt like the opposing Mons were just ridiculously bulky or much faster / more powerful than what they should be. For example in the final Kukui battle:

I had my Wishiwashi (lvl 56 if I'm not mistaken) against his lvl 58 Incineroar. I used Scald, which as we all know is a 80 BP super effective STAB hit coming from base 140 Special Attack. Furthermore, it was boosted by Mystic Water and it still did only 50%. Meanwhile, the Incineroar's non-item boosted not very effective Flare Blitz did more than half to Wishiwashi. I had to change my strategy and use Hydro Vortex because otherwise I couldn't kill the Incineroar. I don't remember having problems like this in any previous games.

>>30618266
Fuckin' scrub. Alolan Pros IV breed day in and day out. Ain't just gonna give hand outs to challengers.

>>30617942
>waaah i'm so bad at a children's game that I feel the need to be five levels above everyone else

>>30616383
this. this is what i did it's really not hard

>>30613436

Totem Mimikyu.

>hits like a truck with Play Rough
>amazing typing
>starts with one free Substitute
>keeps calling in help from fast Hypnosis spammers that get a 90% success rate

>>30613436
I did not finds it impossibly "hard" but it was an unexpected chalenge that's for sure.

>>30613466
Meh he was super easy for me. Maybe I got lucky but I did not have any difficulty with her.

>>30613588
>Using the exp share
>Ever

>>30618435
Play rough is such a humiliating way to lose. It's a shitty cartoon ball of violence. I lost my Bagon,too.

My strategy has always been to focus on the main boss first. In my case it was just the Power Herb surprising me, but then it went down in three turns and the only thing left was the Trumbeak. They really should've ensured that the Castform was the first summon.

>do ok, chip damage but recovery so should be working
>that pesky add is annoying with debuff
>kill it with an AOE
>out of nowhere, castform
>castform cast sunny day
>instant giant laser sword crit my face and kill my main guy
>fire weather ball fire nuke when I had bug types as back up
Those faggots tore me a new one in a fucking turn.

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>>30613436
>Persian used Thief!
>Persian stole Totem Lurantis's Power Herb!
>Totem Lurantis is gathering sunlight!
>Persian used Screech!
>get bodied
>Torracat used Inferno Overdrive!

>>30613436
for me she was
Didn't get close to losing but she fucked me up when the castform sunny dayed

This fight (because I just sticked to my starter mostly, which was the Water type of course). That Power Herb definitely caught me off guard as well. Synthesis was a nice move on this boss. It took me a while to beat it. Actually it was my Trumbeak who was finally able to kill it.
This one and the Lusamine 2nd boss fight against Clefable (with Magic Guard) were the only fights that gave me a bit of trouble. It was nice to have a hard fight again for once.
I really missed that since Gen 2 or 3 or something.

this and the elite four took me some attempts
>went in underleveled
>intermediate knowlegede of typing chart
>no z-ring or mega
>cant spam only one mon/move
>mons should be alive by the end of it

>>30613436
This and DP Cynthia are probably the hardest for me, along with maybe Tate and Liza in Emerald.

>>30614946
My Seismitoad demolished 4 out of his 6 pokemon. Ghetsis ain't shit.

No, what I despised was that it would use Synthesis EVERY TURN IN A ROW so I'd end up wasting five turns on its retarded bullshit. I had enough Pokémon that would take a Solar Blade, but FUCK the Synthesis spamming.

>>30613466
>skarmory used steel wing

>>30615010

A-Grimer and A-Muk is really good for most of the game. A-Grimer is great once you get eviolite.

>>30613478
I don't get this meme. Then again, I had a Mudbray

>>30618683
this. Persian was sick with thief. I destroyed the fuck out of the red card guy because of this

>>30618516
>My strategy has always been to focus on the main boss first.
Same here, I learned my lesson after Wishiwashi called in Alomomola when I killed its child.

>>30613436

>use his pre-evolution thinking it'll be some awesome Zorak creature
>evolves into this circus reject
>boxed

Why were literally all Alola evolutions utter shit?

>>30615567

>Clefable used Metronome!
>Clefable used Lunar Dance!

It was literally the first move in the entire battle, and it immediately killed itself.

Lurantis was EZ as fuck (Beak Blasted to oblivion) Wishi Washi on the other hand, holy fucking shit, that totem tanked everything so well, it only died when my mons crit twicce because of friendship levels.

>>30619715
>Lurantis was EZ as fuck (Beak Blasted to oblivion)
>Being overlevelled

>>30619746
Just by like 4 levels, and that's because my mom's toucan levels very fast (and was always at the front of my team) I was also 3 levels above Wishiwashi.

>>30619784
>just 4 levels

kys desu

>>30613436
huh? I defeated it with my Fire Starter in one try

>>30614982
>Totem Miltank
Oh. God.
Thank you for the nightmares, anon.

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>having any kind of trouble before E4

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>>30613436
>tfw Sallazle raped my entire team

It's only because I was underleveled and already weak from Marowaks but still I was not expecting that.

I had no trouble with the other Totem's though.

Dragon was a disappointment

>>30616679
This, it was litterally the easiest trail with Navy Seal

I thought that Aerial Ace Dartrix could take it out, or at least eat a doubly resisted Solar Blade. I was sort of right. It summoned Castform T1, healed itself, I put it into the red, and it outsped and healed again. Then Castform used Weather Ball and Dartrix folded, and I got fucked. 10/10.

>>30619648
>player sent out Hydreigon
>Lusamine sent out Clefable
>Hydreigon used Flash Cannon
>Clefable used metronome
>Clefable used Guillotine
>its' a OHKO

I call bullshit

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>145 SpAtk
>"what moves should we give it for the totem battle, boss?"
>"ALL PHYSICAL!"

>>30621316
>They even gave it Charjabug partners to buff its Sp. Atk with Battery

My Ribbonbee fucked hIm up before he could call out sunny Castform. I'd trouble with Mimikyu tough

I actually had just evolved Incineroar right before this fight.

I one shotted her. So I never understood what was so hard about it.

The only fight I ever had any major trouble with was Hapu, because I had gotten fed up with being IV locked till end game and was trying to rush past content and ignored the past two islands worth of random fights. It didn't help also that my team was just some junk level 30-40s I'd found in the dirt that I didn't care about.

>>30621377
>Charjabug has even more Atk

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>>30621579
>I actually had just evolved Incineroar right before this fight. I one shotted her. So I never understood what was so hard about it.
>Level 34 Incineroar against a Level 24 Lurantis.
>I never understood what was so hard about it.

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>>30614946
>tfw only lost to that fucker because Reshiram forced itself into my party

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>>30621579
>Incineroar, level 34
>Totem Lurantis, level 24
>I one shotted her. So I never understood what was so hard about it.

>>30621687
I didn't say I didn't believe other people. Just that I could never have had that same experience.

Since, you know, I'm a better trainer than you guys.

>>30621621
Charjabug to Vikavolt feels like a weird trick. I was expecting it to be this fast physical attacker and instead it's a stationary laser beam made of paper.

Whitney's Miltank is infamous for a reason

>>30613436
>S&M
>Hard

>>30621917
The old lady at the ranch.
Did you like her?

>>30613466
Mimikyu was tough until I realized Mudsdale walls it pretty good

>>30613436
> Use Fire Z Move
> Instantly dead
Wow, so difficult.

>>30622094
mudsdale walls everything

wonderful reliable horse

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>>30613436
Totem Salazzle was worse

>>30613466
Yeah wtf honestly I see you weaklings get sweeped by this fucker and I just tanked it with a grimer and magnemite

>>30613533
>Literally swept Mimikyu with underleveled Mudsdale
git gut

>>30622238
how? did you not happen to collect a single water type in the entire previous Trial?

>>30613466
This. Mimikyu was the first time I've blacked out in a pokemon game in 10 years.

>>30622238
>4x weakness to ground

lolokay

>>30622238
>high horsepower 1hko

laughable

>>30622238
I shat all over it with a cubone

>>30622482
Pyukumuku but that doesn't count

>>30622520
>>30622553
Didn't have a ground type at the time, sadly

I 1-2 shot most totems with super effective hits so I was really disappointed by the difficulty of this game. Totem Kommo-o almost KOed my whole team though.

>>30613436
Just catch a Zubat, jeez.

>>30615762
This for me. I had a Salazzle, but she didn't do enough damage. Moonlight would heal her just fine. I lost against Lusamine once, because Clefable walled most of my team. It still died because Metronome made it lose its ability and got several turns worth of Toxic at once. The second time I fought her, I was lucky and Clefable never used Moonlight, so it eventually died.

>>30613436
Because you didn't pick the best starter, Litten

>>30613436
>not Hapu

>>30621030
Dartix can't learn Aerial Ace

>>30622886
I had a terrible realization in the middle of my kahuna fight with Hapu, which was that 5 of my 6 pokemon were weak to ground.

>>30617952
>If you've left the EXP Share off too long

That's not it. I had "set" on and the EXP share off the entire game, and the only real difficult parts of this entire game was Mimikyu and the Champion, and the latter is only because too much of his team could take advantage of my team weaknesses.

>>30622238
Lycanroc one shot it.
I actually soft reset to fight it again because I hadn't seen a salandit yet and wanted it in my dex to locate it. Lycanroc still took it out handily, but I could see how the fight could get hectic.

>>30613436
exactly that bullshit.

>>30613436
sorry i didn't quite make that out, my dartrix was busy killing some lurantis

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>>30613466
>MIMIKYU USED PLAY ROUGH

>>30623328
Why is play rough so strong? It makes me so mad

>>30618421
So how did that fuck you in the ass when you were suddenly going up against level 60 minimum trainers in post game?

>>30613436
Here's what I remember of the difficulty of each of the totem fights:

Totem Raticate: No real problem.

Totem Wishiwashi: Surprising MVP of the day was my Slowpoke. He kept putting it to sleep with Yawn and then spamming Confusion to slowly whittle it down.

Totem Salazzle: That Toxic + Venoshock combo caught me off guard, but once again it was my Slowpoke that pulled through.

Totem Lurantis: My own Salandit was useful here until she was OHKO'd by Sunny Day Solar Blade, but then my Torracat took it from there.

Totem Vikavolt: Incineroar swept.

Totem Mimikyu: I had the genius idea of having my Tsareena use Teeter Dance on it, which it then mimicked and spammed over and over again. Coupled with Haunter's hypnosis that was a nightmare. Eventually I managed to pull through with enough Trop Kicks to end it

Totem Kommo-o: "Lol" -My Ribombee, probably

Ayy Lusamine: No real problems, except for her Clefable. My God that thing is the wall to end all walls. I was actually in despair when I had Salazzle use Toxic on it, only to remember that it has Magic Guard. At least it made Venoshock do 1/16 of its health in damage instead of 1/32.

>>30613478
>"We're still in the 20s, it probably doesnt know too much at that level-"
>Raichu used Psychic!
Caught me off guard. I suppose getting a free TM Psychic from Aether right before the battle was meant to be a warning

Lurantis was just a nightmare, I had Brionne, Cubone and Rockruff and well, it took 2 soft resets...

>>30619648
It pulled Memento on me when I was struggling to kill it

>>30613512
>I've got a million Fairy types in my team, this'll be a breeze
>Whimsicott used Leech Seed
>Totem Kommo-o used Flash Cannon
>shit
I stalled out a win with Mimikyu and a bunch of Revives but I damn near emptied my reserves

>>30615359
New feature called evolution moves are learned when a Pokemon evolves regardless of level. This move also takes priority over any level up move that would also be learned at this level preventing it from being learned at all. For Kadabra that means losing the ability to learn Confusion.

>>30613436
Red in Mount Silver.
But this one is second.

>>30622968
Mine was that her mudsdale had counter.

>>30613466
This
I killed Lurantis with my Grimer by Poisoning and then stalling with Dartrix.
Mimikyu OHKO'd/2HKO'd every mon on my team except Mudsdale, and anyone who had an offensive edge over it got put to sleep by Haunter. I just had to sit there and potion spam + Stamina to get through it.

Mimikyu. The fucker never stopped using Play Rough, which was neutral against my whole team.

>>30613981
I always found her easy. Years later i discovered some massive meme about her actually being hard.

>>30624735
lmao no

>>30622669
Thats usually the one that is easiest to beat

I can see how people who didn't choose Litten found this hard but personally I didn't have a problem with any of the totems or the elite four. I blacked out once and that was in the very first battle with Ilima, falsely leading me to think that the game would be much harder than it actually was.

However Red fucking annihilated me in the post game when none of my mons were higher than 55 and he starts with a lv 70 Pikachu.

I just got rid of the Castform immediately. Trumbeak didn't cause me much trouble after that so I could kill Lurantis at my leisure.

>>30619648
Metronome pulled Air Cutter on my Whimsicott twice in a row. It wasn't enough to KO and I was spamming Super Potions anyway but that was some bullshit.

So are you guys happy that pokemon games are somewhat challenging again?

Did anyone who picked popplio find it fucking useless until the late game? I missed the scald TM so I had bubblebeam as my strongest damaging move until brionne evolved in to primarina and got sparkling aria.. It never learns an offensive fairy move stronger than disarming voice until moonblast at 44.

When I finally found the dazzling gleam TM I almost busted a nut and proceeded to wreck kommo-o.

>>30624946
I felt ashamed to mearly get swept by Pikachu. I had to let it Volt Tackle itself to death while abusing potions/revives.

I couldn't beat the rest of his team through normal means either being 10 levels below him and already in tatters because I did not heal after the 6 pokemon double battle right before the Tree.
I had Nebby on my team and I had to go for a Calm Mind set up sweep to win

>>30624735
I swept Red in a Furret-only run. Not even overleveled I remember it had the same level as his Charizard.

>>30613466
I had to use 6 revives in that one battle alone.
That battle pretty much proved to me that Mimikyu is a force to be reckoned with.

>>30613466
Eviolite Magneton beat it with no issues

>>30613436
that floating testicle sidekick totem of hers killed my starter in my nuzlocke run!

>>30625059
But anon this is still easier than the first five generations

>>30624513
Alola Raichu learns Psychic immediately upon evolving.

>>30616383
Did this too. Also took down all others first try.

>>30613561
Even a Toucannon made this fight piss easy.

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If you had no Fire-types moves.

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>>30613512
>Catch Golbat in Poni Valley
>Use Haze
>All stats are returned to normal
>Acrobatics until dead

>>30613512
shiny slowbro just used psychic and ohko'd it

>>30624888
Weird it spammed protect and one hit a lot of my Pokémon. It even destroyed my mimikyu with flash cannon.

Only fights in the game I actually had to use items or strategize were Guzma's 1st battle and Kukui for the Championship
Totems would only be hard if you tried to ignore the called in mons or if you didn't have fallback status + stall options

>>30625219
I wouldn't know, since I turned off EXP share as soon as I got it. All of the movesets the enemy Pokemon have are pretty viable, especially compared to early Pokemon generations, and being ten levels lower than their Pokemon makes it a challenge to take hits without resorting to Pokemon Refresh.

Lurantis was the only Totem I battled with the most issues. Dartrtix was my last Pokemon standing, no Sunny Day or power herb so Luranits (who was in red health) couldn't use Solar Blade right away and knocked it out with an Acrobatics. I lost to Mimikyu once but my MVPs for that one were Lycranroc and Decidueye. God, I hated the battle with Lusamine and I actually lost. It was Clefable and Bewear that I had the most trouble with. But ended up getting my payback in Ultra Space thanks to a player who traded me a Riolu.

>>30624681
I evolved my Charjabug to Vikavolt at lv31, it learned both its evolution move Thunderbolt and its levelup move Bug Buzz (and X-Scissor before the evolution, which I ignored). Maybe Kadabra is just a special case of neglect on GF's part?

>>30622669
Sent out my own Kommo-o
Continually spams clanging scales to try and one shot my Kommo-o
>Kommo-o's soundproof activated
Casually chip it down with dragon claws
I laughed at how bad the AI was.

Also the game gives you a TM right before every totem fight that is super effective against what you have to fight
Raticate - Brick break
Wishiwashi - Charge beam
Salazzle - Rock tomb
Lurantis - Flame charge
Mimikyu - Shadow ball
Kommo-o - Dragon claws

>>30625726
>Mimikyu - Shadow ball
>Kommo-o - Dragon claws
to be fair, most pokemon that can learn those moves will also be weak to the totem

That said the much bigger mistake is how many of them have quad weaknesses. The strongest totem can be OHKO'd by any faggot-type move

>>30613436
>Toucannon used beak blast
Pretty EZ desu.

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>>30625343
That fucking scizor spamming silver wind was the bane of my existence. Especially since umbreon and espeon were my most powerful mons.

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>>30613981


This fight is "Water Temple"-tier. People say it is hard because they saw other people say it was hard. There's literally nothing about it making it hard, the only way to lose is to somehow be unable to kill it in 4 or more turns at which point you're laughably bad at video games and your opinion is irrelevant.

Hating it is literal "me too! let me in on nerd culture!".

At least OP's fight includes a stall and an insta-kill mechanism to get rid of your mons.

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>>30626094
>the only way to lose is to somehow be unable to kill it in 4 or more turns
I prefer to just deny it turns, or otherwise prevent it from building up Rollout via paralysis/sleep/accuracy reduction. A couple Sand-Attacks go a long way towards winning against Miltank.

>>30626437
Which just reinforces that you have to be a ledian tackle spammer or some shit to lose.

>>30616677
OH MY GOD I DID THIS TOO

But the second time I attempted it I had dugtrio take out the disguise, then killed it in two hits with Mudsdale's Heavy Slam.

Mimikyu is a complete troll, especially with its Hypnosis assists. But packing Chesto Berries and playing your moves right makes it a total cakewalk.

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>mono bug run
>mimikkyu fight

>Mimikyu fight
>Thing had spooked my guts off, ready to take it out before it called anything
>Strongest Z-move Go!
>.... Mimikyu's Disguise fell off!

Threw me for a fucking loop, I had to reset after Haunter stated bad RNG confusion locking

>>30622238
they should've gave her at least 2 boost in each def so that she could survive a hit and activate the petaya berry
it's a cool strategy in concept but GF never does things well

>>30626685
literally me
literally fucking me
i was so distracted i forgot disguise and i wanted to kill it once and for all with my strongest z move

>ITT Retarded fucks who used the Exp. Share and are complaining about the fights being easy

Kill yourselves faggots, i bet you all play on switch too.

Totem Wishiwashi was the worst for me

>Call alomomola
>Alomomola used heal pulse


The other totem mons was OHKO

>>30616383
>take down disguise with Toxapex and Toxic it twice
>get killed on a crit shadow claw
>send decidueye
>get OHKO'd by non crit shadow claw, even with +def nature
ok

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>>30626903
>shit at a children's game
>le xd everyone who found the fights easy must've just been coasting on exp share and grinding
>I-It has nothing to do with the games themselves being easy
>I-I'm not a garbage at life faggot, you're just bad

>>30613436
I had a pretty terrible team at that point.
Dartix
Charjabug
Wimpod
Eevee
Formantis
Crabrawler

When she called for help and i saw castform i thought it would be easy. Then the fucker brought out the sun and weather balled and synthesized me to death.

>>30613512
Literally one-shotted him with Dazzling Gleam Ribombee.

>>30626903
the switch isn't out yet, newfriend

>>30625219
>Easier than Gen I
>Easier than Gen II
>Easier than Gen III
>Easier than Gen V

Gen IV is probably the only actually tough Generation because the rest of the series either have crap movesets or less than full teams of Pokemon

>>30613466
Am I the only one who didn't have trouble at Mimikyu?
I just spammed dark type moves over and over again.

Shitty tactic, I know.

>>30627287
Tsareena's Trop Kick did wonders for me. Only real Totem I had issues with was Wishiwashi

The drop off in difficulty from Mimikyu to Kommo-o was hilarious though. The fact there was no Trial Captain adds to the fact that entire place was complete filler for between Aether Foundation and getting your Box Art Nebby

>>30613436
I was using salandit, toucannon or trumbeak (i can't remember) and litten, so, it was easy af.

>>30613533
The game want us to be overleved, i had a fucking hard time to not be overleved and i always was. I basically used all gen7 pokemon to not be overleved with my main pokemon, sometimes even them were overleved

>>30627287
I didn't have any difficulty with any one of the Totmes because I am actually a decent player who values type coverage above all.

>>30613547
This! And c'mon, at this point we already have firium z. I agree that solar blade is freaking powerfull but my speed and my firium z destroyed it really fast

>>30627126
>If I type like a retard, make projections and post the meme president, it will make me right, right?

You have to go back

>>30615567
I was very feared about clefairy but my pokemon refresh were at max, bewear escaped almost every turn

>>30613466
Incenroar went full hulkster on it.
Only fight I one shotted
Fucking Lurantis and that shitty synthesis

I thought that everything was easy as usual, but maybe because i'm always like at least 2 levels above (rotation team and exp share off, you can't blame me)

>Raticate
Any move with Cutiefly

>Wishiwashi
Any move with Morelull/Rowlet

>Salazzle
Z-move with Mareanie/Popplio

>Lurantis
Z-move with Salandit/Litten

>Vikavolt
Z-move with any fire type
(I used Mudsdale)

>Mimikyu
Bewear with Brutal Swing

>Kommo-o
Z-move fairy

>>30621850
>either grinded for a really long time, only used starter, or both
>"better trainer"

>>30613436
idk man my bewear tanked it pretty good

>>30626437
>wtf is this fight so hard for? Flame Charge didn't do nothing

>>30613436
Hapu kicked my teams ass, but my Lurantis kicked more ass.

>>30613436
I had more trouble with Wishiwashi. I picked Litten tho.

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>>30615567
>Clefable used metronome!
>Clefable used Roar of time!
FUCK THAT

>>30622886
>tfw half my team was weak to ground and everyone but Charjabug was a physical attacker
Mudsdale wiped me the first time. Ironically, my Pikachu with Grass Knot was the only thing that could defeat it.

>>30623679
Not him, but if you can't beat ingame trainers only 7 or so levels above you, you fucking suck at the game. Red/Blue are tough, but still beatable with a bit of thinking at that level.

>>30617832
That's fucking bullshit. There's no way you were level 33 by Lurantis without serious grinding even with EXP share.

>>30629056
My Primarina kicked Mudsdale ass with its z-move in 2 turns

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>>30613436
>>30613466
>catch a magnemite
>resist both of these and BTFO them with flash cannon

>>30629523
wtf, so we aren't playing the same game, bro. Like this anon, i had trouble in not being overleved (without exp share) during all my adventure

>>30629968
You were 9 levels above Totem Lurantis with a mon you catch at a minimum of 7 levels below it? With only the trial and one route in-between?

>>30613436
It's the fucking castform that fucks your shit up

>STAB headbutt
>weather ball
>Sunny day

>>30613478
I went into this gen blind so had no fucking idea Raichu was psychic all of a sudden. Pushed my shit in

>>30615567
It caught me off guard on round 2, i opend with curse due to not ever dealing with totem bullshit, but aperently never knew that curse dosnt work on feries.

After that it was a couple mistakes and i was in a deadlock against her clefable and its healing, win or loose the fight would be long, and i still had the rest of her team.

Reset and stomped her.

Also doddnt help that my team was gimped as i expected to have the legendary by that point, so no steel or psychic on my team.

>>30630858
>curse dosnt work on feries.

Magic Guard prevents indirect damage from status or entry hazards