>Ghost/fight >base 125 Atk and Spe >learns powerful

>>30507237
All those great things you listed and you're hung up on an ability?
Why don't you Force your Palm around your neck and Shadow Sneak your way into the next life.

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>>30507371
>Why don't you Force your Palm around your neck and Shadow Sneak your way into the next life.
This is some powerful PokeBanter. Wew.

Force Palm could be used for a safer Fighting STAB and for a good chance of paralysis, Shadow Sneak is priority and priority + Technician with high Atk = good. Take it from Scizor. Shadow Punch barely edges out Spectral Thief (60 + 30 BP vs 85 BP I believe), though I imagine that Spectral Thief's niche of stealing stat boosts will be used more. Still, it's something.

Technician is fine.

>>30507371
>lelelel funneh

The lack of an ability with any practical application puts a giant damper on a pokemon who is otherwise a run of the mill sweeper. Of all those "great things" I listed, the only thing worth mention is fight/ghost STAB in comparison to other sweeper options.

It's disappointing for probably the worst reason: GF gave it an ability it will never use.

>>30507237
>Technician Shadow Sneak
>bad
what

>>30507486
>the lack of an ability with any practical application

Shadow Sneak. 40 + 20 BP then STAB is a 90 BP priority move, just barely stronger than an Extreme Speed.

Technician is going to be used.

>>30507371
>Why don't you Force your Palm around your neck and Shadow Sneak your way into the next life.
That's actually pretty sick

>>30507237
You literally just need Close Combat, Snadow Sneak, and either two coverage moves or Spectral Thief + coverage.

Next you'll be telling me Scizor is shit because it only really has Burrito Punch for Tehnician, right?

>>30507494
When it could've had Adaptability, yes. It IS bad.

>>30507563
Bug Bite

You forgot:

>This pokemon is not available outside of Japan.

>>30507574
It could also have huge power. You could also not have brain problems.

>>30507574
Oh, now that's just silly.

You can say that about lots of other Pokemon.

Technician is good for what it is, not for what it's NOT.

>>30507575
And Marshadow gets Force Palm.

>>30507371
Banter has never been so hurtful before

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>>30507371
Wew

>>30507574
lol you could say that about any mon

>>30507445
What in the world does it need Shadow Sneak for if it can use Sucker Punch? It's just an all around better option. It's going to be using Spectral Thief, because that move is broken as shit and stronger, and its base Spe will hamper the usefulness of Shadow Sneak.

Scizor is a slow sweeper who has to ride Technician + priority after a boost. The gap between base 80 and base 125 Spe is massive.

As for Close Combat vs Force Palm, why paralyze something that could be dead instead?

>>30507574
When Mega Fug could've had Adaptability, yes. It IS bad.

>>30507237
0- SpA Life Orb Technician Marshadow Hidden Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 317-374 (88.7 - 104.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

0- SpA Life Orb Technician Marshadow Hidden Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 333-395 (87.1 - 103.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

There, you successfully broke the game's premier physical walls without taking any recoil damage to Rocky Helmet / Rough Skin or risking the Intimidate.

Besides there's Shadow Sneak, etc. Seriously, OP confirmed to be an sub 1700 shitter by posting this.

>>30507237
base 125 speed and attack plus access to technician STAB shadow sneak, shadow punch and force palm and that's bad to you?

>>30507237
Who cares. It's getting sent straight to Ubers and crushing all of the sweepers on the way there, including EKiller Arceus.

>>30507666
Sucker Punch is 70 BP this gen and relies on the target attacking. Shadow Sneak is 90 BP after Technician and STAB. They both hit the same targets anyway (Ghosts and Psychics), and anything that is resisted by Ghost (Normal and Dark) is taken care of with a Fighting type move.

>>30507678
>0 HP Garchomp.
I get what you're saying, but really nigger?

>>30507237
>Priority moves are useless on pokemon with high speed
Uhh. Not necessarily. Especially when you have the (lack of) bulk marshadow has.

>>30507666
*base 65 Spe

>>30507574
This piece of shit is already smelling like a straight to ubers kind of thing and you want it to be even dumber? For what purpose?

>>30507237
>Could GF have fucked up harder with this pokemon's ability?
This Pokémon stat, ability and design screams that it will get soon a new forme.

Also
>most Gen 7 Pokémon suffer from low average Speed stat
>meanwhile this one has 125 Speed

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>>30507237
>every pokemon has to be broken or else it doesn't fit to my smogonite standards and is just a shitmon in my eyes! heh nothin personnel ghost kid..

>>30507737
This, it also means Marshadow can get the jump on Mewtwo and Mega Gengar, who would otherwise check the little shit hard.

>>30507764
>For what purpose?
his autism

>>30507769
Why did GameFreak goof up the stats and abilities for this generation? It's almost like they forgot how to create pokemon

>technician hidden power and shadow sneak
>bad

lmao stop posting

>>30507818
>It's almost like they forgot how to create pokemon
This should've been clear to you by the time Ruby and Sapphire were released.

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>>30507371
Topu kEku

>>30507833
>hidden power on a physical attacker

Wow, these are the people defending shitnician on a potentially great pokemon.

Enjoy never climbing high on any ladder, my dears.

>>30507769
Definitely looks like the Hoopa of this gen. Except that it'll actually be good in both formes unless GF really fucks it up, so theres unfortunately a decent chance of it happening even with its great base forme.

>>30507781
The complaint isn't that it's bad, it's that it has an ability which is useless to it.

There is no point to using technician Shadow Sneak (or fucking Shadow Punch) over Spectral Thief.

Its Technician move list is dog shit outside of Shadow Sneak STAB; and Spectral Thief is far better; especially with consideration to a base 125 Spe.

The Scizor comparisons are fucking ridiculous. Scizor has a base 65/75 Spe. The gap between the two is fucking massive, and applying arguments that are logical for Scizor means fuck all to Marshadow.

>>30507732

There, there.

0- SpA Life Orb Technician Marshadow Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 172-203 (80 - 94.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Just set up a spike or two and call it a day.

>>30507907
>potentially

You're a fucking idiot. This thing's a monster.

>>30507237
First of all why use Stone miss over a technician'd Smack Down?

Second, Technician Shadow Sneak alone is a good reason for the ability

Third, most of all the other weak moves have a secondary effect that could prove useful for certain team setups. Force Palm paralyzes and doesn't lower your stats, Shadow Punch never misses, Rolling Kick flinches...

>>30507907
Just wait, they'll start posting math for 0 SpA EV Hidden Power against pokes with a 4x weakness to the result of no guaranteed OHKO.

That's the type of retard you're dealing with.

>>30507486
Weavile says hi

>>30507928
>What is Mega Gengar
>What is Mewtwo
>What are choice scarfs
Why do you think Mega Lucario still runs Bullet Punch?

>>30507979
Too late. >>30507929

>>30507979
Except it is a guaranteed ohko with a single hazard. Even without it, it still is an ohko. Have you ever played OU? Hidden Power on 0 SpA Jolly is nowhere near a rarity.
>>30507678

>>30508027
Because it has based Adaptability and not fucking Technician.

>>30507574
Woah, Garchomp coud've had Huge Power and it would've been much better! Why did gf decided to make it a shitmon instead??

>>30507979

you literally use Hidden Power for 4x weaknesses cause most pokemon that'll hit 2x effective for Hidden Power will either do the same damage or more with their stab moves.

>>30507574
Primal Kyogre could have had Water Bubble, yes. It IS bad.

>>30508116
Everyone, look at this post in the archives.

>>30507666
40*1.5*1.5=90.
90>70
Retard.

>>30507486
You are a dumbfuck.

90bp shadowsneak > 70bp sucker punch, and it hits even if opponent doesnt attack you.

Also rock tomb vs stone edge, is it that clear cut? Lmao

One could even make an argument for force palm but lets leave it at that

>>30507237
do you genuinely think gamefreak, when designing these pokemon, is thinking about competitive viability above all else?
do you think, when looking at something like regice, they go "hmm yeah we've made this thing as strong and balanced as possible time to greenlight it!"
youre a moron

>>30508040
you need only to invest 40 sp. attack EVs to kill the most popular landorus and garchomp sets with a life orb. it's a potential set discussed on Smogon. technician hidden power is underrated because the only other competitive mon who has it and can use it (roserade) has okay speed and meh bulk. marshadow has better bulk and far better speed, so it adds unpredictability as you can run a 90 BP special attack of choice (save fairy)

>>30508182
>Water Type moves used by it double in power
Not the idiot complaining, but to Kyogre, it's a BOOSTED adaptability in the rain

>>30507979
So youre on the side of the 70 bp sucker punch over 90 bp shadow sneak?

What a pro

>>30507907
You use HP to destroy physical walls with x4 weakness
>>30507928
Talonflame was used only for high power priority, SS maybe have less BP than BB but Mars have more Atk than Talon

Mars is good mon with good stats, type and movepool, and he can use his ability at some extent
You cannot say than Keldeo, Mewtwo, Raikou, Hoopa-U and Weavile are bad for not using their abilities at all

>>30508047
But according to your reasoning, any priority moves is automatically shit if the mon has a high speed. So according to your logic, M-Lucario should only run Iron Head. Except people who know how to play knows how important priority moves are and still run Bullet Punch

Stop this damage control

>>30508313
Yeah but imagine if they had Adaptability though

>>30508209
Not him but Adaptability is 40+40 BP, so 80, while Technician is 40+20=60, 60+30 =90 BP, isn't it ? So Technician IS stronger.

>>30508344
>But according to your reasoning, any priority moves is automatically shit if the mon has a high speed.
I think you replied to the wrong person.
Please, try again.

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>>30507371
fpbp

>>30508351
Yeah but imagine if they had Wonder Guard though

>>30508354
Oh shit, it's the STAB that's modified, not added damage
I'm sorry, I suck dicks.
Though, Marshadow out damages hands down on every other relevant move with boosted Close Combats and such

lifeorb technician shadow sneak can OHKO a number of threats weak to it, such as Latios. Since marshadow will most likely go to Ubers and that tier is filled with psychic types, technician shadow sneak can revenge kill a number of them as well

I think I did the numbers and it OHKO'd Mega Mewtwo Y as well, so it's actually a pretty solid ability. Of course there are better abilities out there, but it helps Marshadow quite a bit (not to mention it's the 2nd strongest priority in the game after Arceus's extremespeed)

>>30508344
Pretty sure than Luke dont learn Iron Head, But Iron Tail works for than.
But yeah, fast priority is good, people just forget than you oponent can use priority too and you dont want a Conkelldur to kill your Lucario

>every pokemon needs to be broken as fuck or it's a shitmon

when will this meme end?

>>30508442
but since shadow sneak is the exact same power as spooker steal then wouldn't it be situational?

Stat steals would be good in an antipriority meta, but priority is good against pheromosa (granted it can't do too much without the rare HP psychic) and anything else speedier than marshadow

>>30508442
Well you admit it so it's okay. You're right about CC.
Adaptability always bring autism whenever it's mentionned because it's such a boosted ability.

>Marshadow is shit because it doesn't have Adaptability!!!
this better not become a meme

>>30507237
You were probably riding on Mega Fug's dick when it was announced it didn't need a Mega Stone to mega evolve.

Are you going to shit on every Legendary that has Pressure as its ability?

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>>30508560
Marshadow is shit because it doesn't have Adaptability!!!

>>30508369
>Its Technician move list is dog shit outside of Shadow Sneak STAB; and Spectral Thief is far better; especially with consideration to a base 125 Spe.

Even if you're not the guy who posted this you're still defending his point, since you replied to the other anon who explained why it was such an assbackwards statement

>>30508629
most marshadow sets run both. they have completely different uses from one another.

>>30508544
Spooker steal is still more powerful. 40 + 20 + 30 = 60 versus 90 + 45 = 135. Also Swagger + Shadow Thief could be great to fuck with walls

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>>30508612
>Marshadow is shit because it doesn't have Adaptability!!!
Marshadow is shit because it doesn't have Adaptability!!!

>>30507574
>X could have had Huge Power/Adaptability/[insert ability that would make the Pokemon broken here]

Did you ever stop to think that it was given an ability that isn't extremely useful as a way of balancing it?

Not to mention it's ability isn't even bad. Just do us a favor and off yourself.

>>30507237
What's this retard's problem?

Technician is a good enough ability to absolutely ensure Marshadow goes to Ubers already.

Just run like

Marshadow@Life Orb
252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive
Spectral Theif
Close Combat
Shadow Sneak
Hidden Power Ice

Congratulations, you now break pretty much the entire OU tier while sitting at a 125 spe stat. The only Pokemon that can even remotely handle this set are Skarm, Hippowdon, and Toxapex and even they certainly don't enjoy it.

I don't understand /vp/'s obsession with this "If its not mega fug its a shitmon" kind of ratings, but its autisitc. Nobody in any serious competitive circle thinks Marshadow will be anything below Ubers.

>>30508586
Pressure is a good ability as the most threatening moves have 10 or less PP. Pressure is always useful, especially on bulky legendaries. Your point is shit.

>>30508629
Defending Technician because you can imagine scenarios where a base 125 Spe sweeper would need priority is retarded. It has other options, it has a much better, much larger "fuck you" to an opponent ghost type move called Spectral Thief.

In the event that it does need priority, Sucker Punch from a base 125 Atk will still fuck shit sideways; more if boosted. Or did you plan to run 2 ghost type attacks?

Even disregarding Sucker Punch, as it has irrelevant coverage next to ghost/fight, the argument is whether or not Shadow Sneak or Spectral Thief is going to be your ghost type attack. You'd be retarded not to bring Spectral Thief.

Outside of Shadow Sneak, Marshadow's Technician movepool is fucking trash.

>but muh Ice HP 4x weakness against Garchomp

Cherry pick harder, faggots.

It's worth it for the boosted STABbed Shadow Sneak alone.

It still needs Mach and Bullet Punches to be the perfect anti-Scarfer. And even still, it hits like a goddamn truck.

>>30508846
>Just do us a favor and off yourself.
Nah, if anyone should off themselves, it's Gamefreak apologists.

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>>30508890
>Pressure is a good ability

>mentioning stone edge as a pro
>saying that technician smack down is a downside

90/100 is better than 100/80.

>>30508861
You fuckwits don't get it.

It's not about Marshadow being bad. It's about the retarded design decisions that go into making a pokemon so strong that it needs a shitty ability or an ability it can barely use as a means of balancing it.

Fuck GF. Fuck GF for still not knowing how to balance pokemon after 7 fucking generations.

>>30508890
When it could've had Adaptability instead of Pressure, yes. It IS bad.

Fucking make up your mind you self-contradicting faggot.

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>>30507371
>>Why don't you Force your Palm around your neck and Shadow Sneak your way into the next life

200% erect

>>30508960
>Pressure is bad because my legendary sweeper doesn't use it

You're bad for not seeing how fucking great Pressure is for fucking people with your stallmon.

>>30507237
That seems like a good technician move pool to me. No lowered def from CC and stab priority and coverage with rock and even smack down shenanigans. Plus it can still run sucker punch if you want or CC. Seems like versatility like scizor to me

>>30508901
This isn't really Game Freak apologism, though. It's just common sense. Obviously every Pokemon would be fucking awesome with Huge Power or Adaptability but those abilities are given to Pokemon that need them as a way to balance them, just like abilities like Defeatist or Truant are given to Pokemon who would be too powerful without some sort of downside. Marshadow is already great without the need for an ability like Adaptability, giving it something like that makes it unnecessarily powerful.

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If you seriously thing Technician is bad on Marshadow especially with the moves it can abuse, then holly shit delete your save file and Showdown account, you know nothing about competitive.

Also, not everything has to be ultra broken to be good, do you seriously want every single pokemon to be as strong as Primal Groudon ? Fuck off.

>>30508890
>Or did you plan to run 2 ghost type attacks?

Actually, yeah

>>30508985
In what fucking universe is Technician a bad ability? Learn how to play the fucking game, holy shit.

>>30508890
Considering Ghost/Fighting is pretty much unresisted coverage, I don't see what's wrong with doubling down on it.

>>30507666
>Running both a Ghost and a Dark type move on the same set
Enjoy your lack of coverage my man

>>30509045
*think

>>30509027
>>30508890
>Comes up with a scenario where a specific ability is good to use.
>Applying that logic to Pressure
>Everyone else tries to apply that logic to Technician
>Shits on everyone supporting Technician but claims Pressure is a godsend

>>30508985
>implying Marshadow doesn't get plenty of use out of Technician anyway

I don't really understand why people think it's not a good fit for Marshadow. Why, because it doesn't have a fuckload of moves that are affected by it? It doesn't need them. You could double the size of its movepool and you'd still end up using what it has access to right now anyway.

>>30509057
>giving your sweeper redundant coverage

>>30508846
Both its STABs can be countered by types with immunity. That's enough balance.

Is there any chance in hell that this fucker ends up OU instead of getting banned to Ubers? I really want to use it.

>>30509154
>It can't sweep everything in the game so it's balanced

That's not how it works.

>>30509110
>Pressure and Shadow Sneak are comparable in some way
>a scenario in which Pressure is useful is any time a pokemon uses a move
>a scenario in which technician Shadow Sneak is useful is if this base 125 Spe pokemon needs priority

Good job, retard.

>>30509154
>Ghost types are weak to Ghost
>Normal types are weak to Fighting
Yeah, that'll work out fine.

>>30509192
Ghost/Fight CAN sweep everything in the game. The point is that normal can swap into ghost for free, and ghost can swap into fight for free.

You utterly fuck with its STAB coverage by just swapping.

>>30509197
>a scenario in which Pressure is useful is any time a pokemon stalls to PP
Fixed that for you

>>30509154
You are absolutely retarded.
>giving your sweeper redundant coverage
Those moves are used for completely different situations. Spectral thief for stopping a sweep, and shadow sneak for revenge killing and out speeding stuff.
>Both its STABs can be countered by types with immunity.
Ayy lmao. Ghost/Fighting hits EVERYTHING for at least neutral damage, except for Ghost/Normal, which doesn't even exist yet.

>>30509154
>giving your sweeper redundant coverage

I guess all those sets with Ice Shard + Icicle Crash Weavile are now shit then, quick call Smogon. Also how is Dark + Ghost not redundant coverage

>Both its STABs can be countered by types with immunity

You mean countered by the Normal/Ghost pokemon that doesn't exist?

>>30509197
>What is Deoxys, Mega Mewtwo, Mega Gengar and every other scenario where a mon sets up with boosted Speed.

>>30508890
You can run two ghost because Ghost/Figthing/Ice already hit like 90% of the game for good damage, and with SS you can hit other priority users like, Scizor, Mimikyu, Mamoswine, etc before they they hit you

>>30509206
>I don't play competitive and I don't know how to abuse swaps for mind games

I shouldn't be this shocked that you fucking retards don't see the vulnerability of a sweeper that can have all of their STABs ignored with swapping.

>>30509197
>a scenario in which technician Shadow Sneak is useful is if this base 125 Spe pokemon needs priority
I guess that's why gen 6 Talonflame was PU trash.

>>30509197
>Not realizing there are scarf revenge killers that are faster than 125.
>Not realizing Shadow Sneak goes before sucker punch so Marshadow doesn't get cucked by it
>Not realizing Marshadow may go 252hp/252atk and go for bulky sweeper with shadow sneak.

>>30509276
>I think Marshadow is going into Ubers

Nope.

>>30509232
But that's the easiest thing in the universe to read. If kindergarten-tier mindgames like that work on you then you should rethink your life.

>>30509197
Talonflame had base 126 Spe.
Why did Talonflame run Gale Wings and spammed Brave Bird around every corner?

You're a fucking idiot.

>>30509289
>swapping
>when stealth rocks are up
I know, >sneaky pebbles, but when even in game story teams use it, it's probably at least a little prominent

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>>30507371
jesus christ

>>30509294
>I think priority Brave Bird is why Talonflame was so popular
>I don't know about Priority Roost on stall bird

Good job, retard.

>>30509360
>implying every Talonflame had to run a stall set

>>30507237
It's obviously gonna get a new form in the next game like Diancie and Hoopa did.

>>30509289
>Opponent sets SR up
>Proceed to murder your own Pokémon by switching them in and out just to play le ebin mind games
Also you're assuming the opponent won't predict that shit and use a Fighting type move against your Ghost type knowing you'll try to switch a Normal type in on a Ghost move

>>30509339
>swap to normal
>swap to ghost
>swap to something bulky to take the hit from the coverage move Marshadow will use next

>these mind games are dumb because I don't do them

>>30509360
>>30508890
Do you have a fetish for long, drawn-out battles with a team of 6 stall mons?

Why is it that when people post extremely stupid things like the OP, when confronted with every possible piece of evidence that proves they are wrong, they double down on their stupidity and deny reality instead of admitting their wrongdoing?

>>30509464
Is there a different way to play competitive?

>>30509289
This just in: Garchomp and M-Gengar forcibly sent to PU after Smogon realizes both of their STAB can be blocked by immunities

>>30509147
legitimate uses of Marshadow Technician
>Smack Down being stronger than Rock Slide and only 10 under Stone Miss but without the 1/5 chance of losing
>90 BP Shadow Sneak to ruin Pheromosa/scarfers/Aqua Jetters' day
>Force Palm to retain bulk/potentially cripple bulky attackers CC isn't OHKOing

>>30509480
Because human beings don't like to swallow their pride and admit they were wrong.

It usually devolves into OP looking like a close-minded autistic idiot until the thread eventually dies out.

>>30507371
This single post is the only shining light in this awful thread

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>>30507371
Actually laughed/10. Good job.

>>30509360
>>I think priority Brave Bird is why Talonflame was so popular
No I didn't. You said that priority is pointless because of how fast it is. I provided an example of a fast mon that's good because of all the priority is has, and then you moved the goalpost.

>>30507371
All these posts when the thread was over a the first reply.

>>30508985
>a shitty ability or an ability it can barely use
Neither of which Technician is.

>fuck gf for not knowing how to balance
This is a complaint I hear in every competitive medium ever. For one, GF does not make mons with Smogon or VGC or any competitive format in mind, they just simply 'balance' things by having weaker mons available at the start of the game and more useful mons available later or through events, with obvious exceptions. For two, Marshadow is clearly not balanced for OU and is intended to be a very powerful Pokemon, which it very clearly is.

You're very good at getting (You)s, tell me your methods sometime.

>>30509515
>dude, GALE WINGS REVENGE KILLING BRAVE BIRD
>ability is totally justified LMAO

>>30509541
Hey, faggot, talking about offensive priority and then bringing up a pokemon who was popular because they had a way to use healing priority is "moving the goalposts".

Next, I'd like you tell me about Scizor and how great technician is for Scizor so it must be great for Marshadow.

>>30509515
>dude, AUTISTIC GREENTEXTING
>i make great arguments LMAO

Your entire argument is that Technician is somehow a shit ability and that powerful priority is pointless if your speed is over 100. Please just go home.

>>30509554
>You're very good at getting (You)s, tell me your methods sometime

Go to a containment board filled with autists and roleplay as a fellow, but dissenting, autist.

>>30508544
>switch in on HJK then use shadow sneak

OP has given me cancer.

anybody got a good nickname for Marshadow?

>>30508861
why are you people putting hp ice on it? isnt ice punch better?

>>30509715
Shh, they're cherry picking scenarios for technician.

>>30509597
We're comparing Brave Bird Talonflame to Shadow Sneak Marshadow.

Not Roost Talonflame to Shadow Sneak Marshadow you fuckwit.

Talonflame had base 126 Speed and still used Brave Bird. Explain that.

>>30507371
Nice

When i was 10 years old I saw my younger brother take a shit in my father's mouth. This event changed me forever and shaped me into the man I am today. AMA.

>>30509753
Was it a log, diarrhea and watery, or just a small turd?

>>30507237
>Shadow Sneak
>90BP Priority STAB is bad

>Force Palm
>135BP fighting, with 30% para chance is bad

>Rock Tomb
90BP Rock, with a 100% slow is bad

>Rolling Kick
>135BP, with 30% flinch is bad on a pokemon this fast

>Shadow Punch
>135BP attack that can't miss is bad


>Feint
>Somewhat shit, but 60BP hitting though protection is almost usuable

>Smack Down
>Has doubles potential

>Thief
>135BP Dark move
>Gimme dat band/life orb/leftovers
>actually a shitty gimmick at best though

Three are gimmicky at worst, the rest are good. what are you doing?

>OP's argument against Technician Shadow Sneak is Marshadow being too fast
Oh fuck, if only it had gotten a move to abuse both its speed and Technician... wait, it gets Rolling Kick which effectively turns into a 135 power attack with a 30% chance of flinch
I agree I would've rather it getting Iron Fist instead of Technician so it could abuse Drain Punch and Ice Punch better but shitting on Technician is retarded as fuck

>>30509715
Ice Punch isn't enough to break through the physically bulky side. Lando especially is a problem because it only gets 2HKO'd even after rocks if he gets off the Intimidate. Plus Rocky Helmet will hurt you even further.

>>30509736
Man, I can taste the fresh salt of those passive aggressive tears through my monitor

>>30507371
Professor Kukui?

>>30507371
wtf........

>>30509715
>>30509736
-1 252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Landorus-T: 218-260 (57 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

4 SpA Life Orb Technician Marshadow
Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 8 SpD Landorus-T: 369-437 (96.5 - 114.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

>m-muh cherrypicking

>>30509715
You don't get hit by Rocky Helmet/Rough Skin. Same reason some people actually ran Ice Beam on Mega Lopunny.

>>30507237
Technician Rock Tomb >>>> Stone Miss. 10 less base power for 15 more accuracy and a guaranteed speed drop. That and Shadow Sneak alone make Technician fucking amazing for this guy.

This guy has a better Technician movepool than Scizor. Why are you so retarded?

For the people making calcs with Hidden Power Ice, Marshadow gets Work Up, how does a set with Shadow Sneak, Fighting STAB, HP Ice and Work Up sound? You could even go full madman and run Z-Work Up for a +2 in Attack and just start spamming Shadow Sneak
If only this fucker had gotten Mach Punch as well

>>30509895
>>30509945
OP BTFO

>>30509945
nah man, don't you know the calc is
-6 0- SpA Marshadow Hidden Power Ice vs. +6 4 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Landorus-T through Light Screen: 3-5 (1.8 - 3%) -- possibly the worst move ever

but if it had ADAPTIBILITY
+6 252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Marshadow Helping Hand All-Out Pummeling (190 BP) vs. -6 0 HP / 0- Def Garchomp on a critical hit: 16920-19908 (9245.9 - 10878.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

you CHERRYPICKING fuck why do you even BOTHER to argue. technician is LITERALLY the worst ability ever, you smogonfag Gamefrakdrone

>>30510213
>125 att
>technician
>Mach punch
>Shadow sneak
>Sucker punch
>Spectral thier/close combat/Rock tomb

God no.

>>30510260

Fuck dude, running the fightiniumZ for sure. Thanks for calcs.

>>30510260
>choice band and fightinium z
lost

also op btfo

>>30510260
what tha FUGGG AM I READING

>>30510260
Nice try fag, but you forgot Friend Guard on the Hidden Power calc as well as SR and three layers of Spikes on All-Out Pummeling's one, you better have been using an Adamant nature with 0 Sp. Attack IVs as well

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>>30510260
>not making the garchomp level 1
Fucking retard, do you even know how to play the game?

>>30510432
Fuck sake dude level 1 Garchomp runs a sash to guarentee a stealth rocks.

Learn2Play.

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>>30507371
Anon is being extra clever today..Jesus christ

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>>30510506
>Go Mega-Kangashkan!
Your move fuckboi.

>>30507371
pretty good m8.

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>>30510588
Okay dude, I'll admit mega kanga was a big hit to level 1 garchomp.

>>30507371
Prof. Oakido?

>>30510799
>"Jolly is the only Speed boosting nature"
>Actually considering Spoopy Plate
>"O-only Smogonfags would thing I'm stupid"
Stop being dumb man

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>>30510799
>calls half the thread leddit because he's a moron that can't just accept he's objectively wrong.

See:>>30509808

You may want to re-evaluate your life, friend. We are very worried about you.

>>30510799
>Why would I keep in my Marshadow at -1 against a Landorus to Ice Punch it?
Intimidate.
>see, if marshadow had a legitimately decent ability then that ice punch would be doing more
Any pokemon would be doing more damage if they had huge power. Your point?

>>30507371
You have to wonder exactly how assblasted OP is that his shitty whine thread was totally derailed by the very first comment.

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>>30507371
>these bantz

>>30509714
JoJo Reference

>>30509154
>Both its STABs can be countered by types with immunity
Both of which are weak to its other type you fucking mongoloid.

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>>30507371
Such savagery

>>30507371
Screencap please

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>>30507371
Nice

>>30512696
It's not complete without a few replies. I'd do it myself but I'm posting from my phone right now.

>>30507371
Kukui's savage brother laying the beatdown of the century over here.

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>>30507371
>Why don't you Force your Palm around your neck and Shadow Sneak your way into the next life.

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>>30507371
Oh snap

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>>30507371
>mfw I just watched someone die in live action

>>30507371
Put me in the screencap.

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>>30507371
First time an internet comment has actually gotten me to audibly laugh

>>30512787
The implication is effective enough. There's no need to turn every screencap into a collage of smug anime girls.

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>>30507371
Force Palm and Shadow Sneak are now the canon moves for Marshadow

>>30513173
Smug anime girls make everything better.

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>>30507237
The bigger problem is he's an Event Pokémon and I can't name him (or Darkrai) "The Shadow."

>>30513214

Adamant Nature

-Force Palm
-Shadow Sneak
-????
-????

Item: Leftovers/Life Orb

Improve this set to spite OP

>>30507371
This post really isn't THAT funny, why is everyone freaking out about it?

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>>30507371

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>>30507371
this is so fucking stupid i can't stop laughing

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>>30513340
>t. OP

>>30513329
add destiny bond for lols
add rolling kick for giggles

>>30513340
Pull the stick out of your ass and laugh once in a while.

>>30513329
Hidden Power Ice

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>>30513361
>>30513379
I can laugh just fine, I mean it's really just not funny enough for everyone to be freaking out

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>>30513274
The Shadow?!

>>30513463
>>30513498
Not trying to force a screencap. I just thought it was clever and a funnier way of saying "kys" against all the stupid shit OP was saying

>>30507486
Pika(You)
Ability: BTFO Faggot >>30507371

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>>30513502
Have you never seen Cardcaptor Sakura?

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>>30513463
>screencaps have been a part of 4chan culture since forever
>m-muh reddit bogeyman
Just give up OP, you'll only get assblasted more and more.

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>>30513329
>>30513329

Lonely Nature

Fightingnum-Z

>-Force Palm
Nigga just got an All-out Pummeling
>-Shadow Sneak
No need for Ghostinum. His life is already a Never-ending Nightmare.
>-Smack Down
Of the century
>-Hidden Power Ice
Pfft

There you go, >>30507237
Maybe you can try this out
I think you'll come to like Technician, now
You seem to be adaptable

>>30507371
Ow the edge

>>30513693
t. OP

>>30513693
ow the buzzwords

>>30507371

>All these 12-year-olds that think this was funny.

Christ, I'm too old for this shit.

>>30507371
Calm down Kukui!

>>30513860
>t. OP

Because conceptually it seems to be a martial artist of some kind and form over raw power seems to be its thing. It wouldn't surprise me if it gets another form but even then it's largely unnecessary.

Im more hung up on the fact it looks like a secret character from binding of isaac or something.

>>30507371
>being this edgy for no reason
You are as retarded as OP

>>30513912
>Edgy
You kids need to know what this actually means

>>30513975
They haven't known since 2012. That word needs to go the way of "epic" and "troll"

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>>30507371
Holy kek I just lost my fucking shit

>>30514020
I don't mind calling things edgy when it's appropriate but these fucking idiots just slap "edgy" onto anything somewhat dark

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>>30507574
>When it could've had Adaptability, yes. It IS bad.
Is Adaptability the new Wonder Guard?

>>30514847
>you dumb drumpf supporter
I don't even support Trump retard.

>>30514847
Great, a commie AND a faggot.

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>>30507371
Impressive.

>>30514872
why not faggot?

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>>30507371
Kukui isn't holding back
Jesus

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>>30507371
DAMN DAT NIGGA BROUGHT DA ROLLING KICK DOWN ON YO SHADOW DONKEYPUNCHED ASS

BROUGHT THE SMACK DOWN ON YO BITCH ASS AN PUT YOU IN A ROCK TOMB BOY

DIS NIGGA MUST BE A THIEF CUZ HE DONE STOLE YO MANHOOD MY NIGGA

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>>30507371

Wow a close combat without the negatives, an extreme speed but ghost type and a stone edge without the miss

Wow so shit wow my god omg wow hus just like omg wow wow

>>30515534
>le smug anime girl
Fuck off underage

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>>30507371
Shut and leave OP alone. How about I Shadow tongue Punch your mothers ass whole Force Palm that pussy and make Fat Rolls Kick back from the force of impact my dick makes while pounding her.

>>30515664
>that means something still

this is a board for a children's videogame, what're you doing here faggot

>>30515755
0/10 trying too hard

>>30515774
the real trying too hard award goes to >>30515390

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>>30513640
Best Pokégirl~

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>>30507371
WHOA

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>>30515881
>browse 4chan unironically

>>30513498
It's the same faggot sameposting.

That, or /vp/ is filled with (man)children with very, very low standards for comedy. It really is reddit tier "funny".

>>30509034
The thing is blessed with fucking everything it could ever need and then some.

>>30509183
It can manhandle the whole tier on its own.