>base speed/no recovery is literally the only reason why this

>>30447428
Except it is viable
Have you not played competitive?

>>30447428
It doesn't need speed just recovery and it probably would becpu top out Mon.

>>30447428
Well the same can be said about Incineroar as it has no recovery options plus dirt slow, but then again, it has a much more viable HA so i don't know
>>30447465
I've played it competitively myself and it's really fucking fragile
Sure it hits hard as fuck, but it has no speed and running focus sash just sounds stupid in general

>>30447465
Its the least talked about starter ever

Theres no vgc videos on it barely any OU videos on it

this mon got shafted hard

>>30447428
Add Calm Mind on there, being cucked out of a good yet common Fairy/Psychic move is terrible.

>>30447465
Yes it's "viable", but just barely there as it takes damage from all hazards and doesn't take phys hits particularly well. I'm sure it'll make a splash in UU though.

I just want Boomburst. Which they'll never give it. Or Agility, which is slightly more plausible.

>>30447428
Because Gamefreak wanted to see how much work it would take to make a Water/Fairy bad. They still have to do more to make it less than UU.

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>>30447428
I'd shaft her hard

>>30447556
Let's be fair, it MIGHT be RU, but the Water/Fairy combo combined with good special stats at least guarantee Primarina will be in decent standing competitively.

>>30447578
i'd let him shaft me hard.

>>30447511
And here we have a faggot

>>30447578
>some drawfag actually took the time to sketch, highlight, and shadow this with good technique precision

why

>>30447494
UU is where most non-mega/broken HA starters should be

>>30447622
I blame protean. it clearly was way more op than they expected/wanted as an ability so all this gens starters have tamer and 'safe' HA's

Incineroar gets a ehh but useful already around ability.

Prima gets a nerfed version of a good ability.

Owl was expected to be the popular one so he gets the 'cool' original ability but it's still not op by intention.

>>30447511
To be fair, most mons in Alola got shafted hard in singles. It's mostly just Tapus and UBs who were near guaranteed to be good, and Toxapex. Stuff like Alola Marowak and Ninetales have a niche now but no one knows what'll happen to them.

>>30447428
Doesn't need speed.
Recovery would have made it viable.

>>30447744
A-Ninetales is guaranteed use in some way for pretty much every ice team thanks to her ability to 1 turn Aurora veil and set the weather up.

>>30447428
You could argue all of the starters got shafted, but Primarina by far got it the worst. Decidueye got a good signature move and Incineroar got a good HA. Primarina meanwhile got a bad version of Surf and a useless version of Pixilate. It also has by far the worst moveset of the three.

It wont' be higher than RU. It's like GF saw it's typing and wanted to make it as bad as possible to see how bad it could be.

>>30447706
I'm starting to think they want to push Incineroar. It gets a good HA for doubles, good moves for doubles, it practically gets two signature moves because Weavile only gets Throat Chop from it.

>>30447906
The anime says it all

>Litten is guaranteed to fully evolve and be Ash's main fighting pokemon
>Rowlet could evolve but will also likely be the cute mascot pokemon for Ash
>Popplio is given to a minor character

>>30447906
fire types are very popular in general so they don't want to screw job any fire starter on purpose.

the owl clearly copies the design aspects that Lucario/greninja do for 'cool' design according to GF

Roar's clearly mean to be the chesnaught, the big brawler guy whose not for everyone, but some people love no matter what.

Prima's meant to be for people who wanted something feminine looking and either ignores it's gender or just SR/breeds for females.

>>30448034
I don't think Primarina is meant for anyone with the way gamefreak treats it. makes me wonder why they even put it in the game

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>>30448104
>TFW the shitposters were right and your fave is the one chosen to be left behind by GameFreak

I hate this favoritism trend so much

>>30448164
Or you could, like, love your starter for what it is.

>>30447494
>I've played it competitively myself and it's really fucking fragile

Stop switching it in on physical SE moves. 80/116 is extremely bulky.

>>30448104
as tumblr as it sounds there's a clear design intent with this gen and the previous

Chesnaught and Incenroar are 'masculine' designs people usually prefer male.

Decidi and Gren are 'neutral' designs that people can accept as male or female

Prima and Delph or 'feminine' designs they expect girls or people who wanted a 'girly' pokemon to like.

Prima's just not terrible enough her sucking is a meme like Delph, but not good enough using her is funny either. thus all we get are Primarina(male) meme's and waiting for porn.

>>30448189
I certainly do love Prima, anon, I'm only worried that it'll be the one who gets the short end of the stick of the favoritism trend that's been going on since last gen.

It wasn't fair for the fans of Chesnaught and Delphox to get left in the dust and I hope that doesn't happen again.

>>30448164
It seems as if all the water starters manage to be completely average aside from Samurott and Greninja. It's really strange.

>>30448217
I didn't
It was all special attackers that killed it

>>30448239
Delph got screwed by GF more than anything. Ches had his problems but he had a torterra like 'this dude will support you the entire story like a true bro, even if my comp viability will be suspect' thing going.

>>30448259
Fire's clearly the popular type for young boys. grass is biased to monster/dinosaur designs which kids also love, water just has SO much competition in caught in game options, plus the always good Gyrados you can easily get every single game.

>>30448259
>samurott
>not average

what

>>30448451
statistically average,but you can't deny the god levels of salt he generated when his final evo was confirmed.

>>30447622
This is how I know you're stupid.

No way in hell is it going to be allowed in RU with how hard it hits and its typing.

>>30448449
Grass seems to be on the extreme side where it has some of the weakest options, but can be consistently good also. Fire mostly has Blaziken and Mega Charizard and most everything else is kind of middling.

>>30448451
Samurott is pretty below average. Still above Meganium and Torterra but kinda bad.

>>30448555
because people STILL fanboy charizard. during the midnight launch there were like 5 people in various degree's of annoyed they couldn't bring their charizard in from the start

>>30448259
Swampert was OU in ADV metagame and Mega Swampert is OU. Feraligatr is UU in the XY metagame and even UU in the GS, RS, and DP metagame. Mega Blastoise is UU like Blastoise was UU in RB, GS, RS, DP, and BW's metagame. Empoleon was OU in DP, UU in BW, and is UU in XY. Meanwhile Samurott is NU in BW and XY. I don't know where this meme came from that Water starters are shit in the majority of metagames because this obviously isn't true. They've actually done quite well with often people bitch about the starters being underwhelming competitively.

>>30448710
Swampert was also OU in RS, DP, and UU in BW.

>>30448710
>Empoleon was OU in DP
Fuck priority I miss Sub Petaya Empoleon

>>30448710
Mega swampert is ou? I thought it was uu

>>30448783
Oops, typo. You're correct.

http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/swampert/

Samurott broke the trend of Water Starters at least being competitively decent/UU.

>>30448710
I'm not really talking about the past, I'm talking about currently. And UU around gens 6-7 is pretty average. They aren't terrible, but they generally fall off later on and don't get big things that skyrocket their viability like Contrary Serperior, Megazard, Chlorophyll and then Mega Venusaur. Blastoise and Swampert got megas that helped but not nearly on the same level.

>>30448923
I mentioned Samurott and Greninja specifically as exceptions.

>>30448873
>>30448923
Samurott's entire history can be summed up in 3 implying

>wtf this looks like it's prevos GF why!!
>Why the fuck doesn't this learn Shell smash?
>Why the fuck does this still not learn shell smash?

>>30448970
Also
>why isn't it water/fighting and learn sacred sword ffs

I'm 99.9% sure Primarina will get Boomburst via event or tutor.

It literally doesn't have it right now because the HA isn't out.

Boomburst HA Primarina > Intimidate Inceniroar > Primarina = Inceniroar > Decidueye > HA Decidueye (unless it get something VERY special to abuse it with).

That's the standing from a pure competitive standpoint. If Prima doesn't get Boomburst, Intimidate is enough to bypass it easily.

>>30449570
There's no way it'll get Boomburst. They didn't give it the damage boost on its HA, why would they give it something even stronger than 1.2x damage Hyper Voice?

>>30449612
It's Z-move is sound-based. Dex entry talks about it's voice. You're moronic if you think it won't get it.

As far as Gamefreak knows, we don't even know it has a hidden ability. It'll be a tutor move in a future entry. Hyper Voice just goes with its lore and design.

>>30449713
Boomburst is a very exclusive move, something rarely given out. That's why I seriously doubt it'll get it, even with its voice based moveset. GF will probably think it's too good to exist.

>>30449771
If that logic isn't enough for you, Primarina and Exploud share the same egg group.

>>30449713
Samurott doesn't have Shell Smash though. This is Game Freak were talking about here, let's all remember that. They're known for making stupid decisions.

>>30449992
Of course I do hope it does get that and much more.

>>30449992
...What shell does Samurott have to smash/remove? Do you know how that move works?

Look up the Pokemon that get the move, then come back and apologize for your stupidity.

>>30447974
I can see them making Rowlet evolve but it'd want to stay in the backpack

>>30447428
>no recovery

Aqua ring?

>>30450107
Aqua Ring is not reliable.

Because everyone know decidueye is the next top dog

>>30447428
The reason it's not talked about it is because it's entirely outclassed by another Water/Fairy this gen. It's only worth it for the inevitable Liquid Voice Perish Songs in Doubles.

>>30447428
If it's hidden ability was Serene Grace or actually a Water type Pixelate, it would've been great.

If it's special move functioned like Hex where it would deal double damage to burned targets while healing it, it would've been great.

If it got access to some sort of recovery like Slack Off or Recover, it would've been great.

It could've easily outclassed Decidueye, Incineroar, and Tapu Fini as one of the most useful special attackers of this generation but GF is retarded. I'm still mad Incineroar is so slow

I picked Popplio/Brionne/Primarina just for her design.

>>30450291
I picked it for multiple reasons.

I picked Popplio because it has personality, it's cute, and it's a Water type.

>>30450142
Hes just a bad greninja

for the edgy kids only without a broken ability

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>>30447494
It is supposed to be used as a Choice specs bulky special attacker. I have seen my Opera cumdump take a chunk out of an opponent's toxapex using ice beam. I'd say about 25%. It is an amazing mon in battlespot singles and pairs up nicely with a bulky physical sweeping marowak(alolan).


Gen 7 is the gen where speed matters less and alolan bulk begins to shine. We have to thank gamefreak for these meal. Itadkimasu-
>>30447511
Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu9WzlGaU08&t=169s

>>30450817
>Verlisify

LUL

>>30447428
Because it's a starter that's not fire-type or Greninja
Reminder that grass starters will always be shit so Deciducucks can wallow in their own misery

>>30447666
Why not?

>>30447511
Chesnaught is, fag.