Guess the tiers of the new Pokemon. Also guess the tiers of

i'm still disappointed on the quantity of pokemon who received a stat boost this gen

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>>30365706
>Spinda is still dogshit

>>30365654
Low UU: Decidueye (Pre and Post HA) Incineroar (Pre HA)
Middle UU: Inceneroar (Post HA) Primarina (Pre HA)
High UU: Primarina (Post HA)

>>30365752
Incineroar is the only one who will even benefit from its HA. The other two have such useless abilities that it won't make a difference.

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Leave Ubers to me!

>>30365844
This thing's going to be hilarious in Ubers.
>that speed
>that attack
>that movepool
>that fucking typing

>>30365752
Using a slow dark type that doesn't get Knock Off or sucker punch

>>30365654
Ubers: Pheremosa
OU: Nihilego, Bulu, Lele, Toxapex, Xurkitree
BL: Koko, Necrozma, The Origami dude
UU: Fini, Buzzwole, Celesteela, Kommo-o, Bewear, Mimikyu
RU: Guzzlord, Decidueye, Dhelmise, Golisopod, A-Persian
NU: The rest of these shitmons

Alolan muk is good. BL and maybe ou.

>>30365948
Intimidate and it's a bit bulky. Plus it blocks prankster

>>30366222
confirmed for never having battled a single human being

>>30365752
You have no idea what you're talking about.

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>+10 Speed
>gets Swords Dance and Jump Kick

It won't be in PU anymore, that's for sure.

>>30366305
Nah, I'd rape you with that shit. Fucks up tapus. Can soak up toxic spikes. You are trash if you haven't realized how not bad muk is now.

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>>30365745
>Castform in the Lurantis fight
>that means GF must've looked at Castform with its terrible stats and said "oh that's perfectly fine let's leave it at that"

>>30365975
>Celesteela
>UU

ahahahahaha

>>30365803
At least Primarina gains more Stab Moves.
Decidueyes is useless in 99.99% of situations.

>>30366422
forecast now doubles atk, sp-atk and speed when transformed

is castform useable yet?

>>30366408
venusaur does that too and isn't a shitmon with no recovery, trash abilities and no noteworthy resistances you retard
try again

>>30366473
Shell Smash + Weather in 1 turn sounds ridiculous but it still has no bulk to set up

>>30365752
>>30365975
>>30366222

itt people below 1200 elo

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>>30365975
>this entire post

Surprised I'm not seeing anything about Pukumuku on here. Max HP switch in to any strong Poké should be fun, and the fact nobody wants to kill it means that thing can put up screens. Absolute minimum defensive stats should scare anyone from touching the thing. Id worry simply hitting the thing with a RapidSpin in fear of what could happen if I crit

Imagine Pukumuku being in competitive play switching in on Tapu Kiki/Bulu

Worst case; RU, best case; OU

>>30366579
if someone else sets up rain you have a 524 sp atk, 478 spd water type with
scald/weather ball
thunder
hurricane
filler
I'd say that's at least usable even if still has horrible bulk

>>30366473
>forecast now doubles atk, sp-atk and speed when transformed

Is this actually true, or is it just a hypothetical?

>>30366727
hypothetical scenario to make castform usable
GF has not done this, no matter how much you wish it were true

>>30366682
it has dogshit HP no one's gonna care about the loss

>people think minior isn't going to be OU
>can boost without fear of status
>dropping him below 50% hp with base 100 balk doubles his offensives capabilities

top kek mates

>>30366841
You forgot to mention STAB Acrobatics.

>>30365752
Wow. Someone hasn't played UU at all.

was expecting some stats boosts for mismagius, dreaming for 110 spA, spD, spe, or at least 10 more to hp or def, it got nothing, tfw your favourite mon will be forever a shitmon, i guess gengar losing levitate kind of give it a little reason to use it.

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>>30366797
>Base 55 hp
Shit you're right, my bad.
I don't play much competitive but I like coming up with weird gimmicks.
Shame, I was hoping it had high HP but low defences

>>30365706
so which old mon got the best boosts?

I'd say either pelipper (god knows it can use drizzle a whole lot better than politoed) or mantine (its an actual wall now)

which is funny given they're the same type

>>30366781
Goddammit.

One way to make Castform good is to do the following:
>+10 in all stats
>give Castform a signature 100BP Weather Ball
>change Forecast so that it automatically sets up weather based on what weather-extending rock it's holding

It's a drastic change, but this little shitter needs it. Alternatively, give it an evo that implements all this, but that's even more of a pipe dream since GF stopped doing cross-gen evos for every Pokemon that isn't Eevee some stupid fucking reason.

>>30366961
doesn't haunter keep levitate?

>>30367012
Not everything needs to be good. Castform only exists to showcase weather in Gen3.

Likewise: Chatot, Oricorio, electric rats of every generation, etc. will never be good.

>>30366797
If you use Pain Split, then its low HP matters a lot less. Even without it, it can still force most All-Out attackers and set up sweepers out.

>>30367012
even at +10 stats it wouldn't be usable
that's why I went for outright doubling of relevant stats when transformed

worst part about castform is that its outright taunting you with its fantastic offensive movepool

>>30367029
yeah

>>30367110
generation signature pokemon will always be shit

what did GF mean by that?

Does Pyukumuku have that animation for clearing a trial? P cute.

>>30367299
smeargle could be counted among them
its great

>>30367110
I just want it to be good enough in the tier it ended up in. But it's so bad that it can't even compete in the lowest one.

>>30367299
Not necessarily. Staraptor and Talonflame were their respective generations' designated shitbirds. :^)

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I wonder what tier this lil buddy will be placed in?
He's really fun and seems really strong.

If primarina got boom burst would it move up a tier?
post HA of course

>>30367349
nah they actually put effort into them, they were obviously designed to be usable what with their good stat spreads, movepools and abilities

>>30367350
It's move pool is shit.

Doesn't even get a good flying STAB

>>30367581
bruh

Shell Smash + White Herb
110 BP STAB Acrobatics

>>30367581
t. someone who's never tried minior
>STAB Acrobatics after White Herb SS
>no moves

>>30367581
>acrobatics is a bad flying stab

nice b8 m8

>>30367581
It gets Acrobatics, which pairs well with the whole White Herb+Shell Smash strategy.

>>30367581
>shell smash
>white herb activated!
>110 +2 acrobatics
>bad stab

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Why is Wishiwashi so bad?

>>30367982
What? Wishiwashi is this generation's Gyarados

>>30368035
except wishiwashi is
1. bad
2. not good
3. the opposite of worthwhile

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IF HE JUST HAD AQUA JET REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>30368074
It's good during the maingame. Fucker annihilates everything with one scald. At least coming from my experience

>>30368074
>140/140 offences
>130+ defences
>not worthwhile
What?

>>30368035
>this generation's Gyarados
that's not even a pattern, they made Milotic as a counter part but that's about it

>>30368171
no recovery
trash hp and speed

are you serious? have you ever played competitive?

>>30368157
>70 Attack
it would still be bad

>>30368169
>It's good during the maingame
literally everything is good during the maingame

>>30368213
>120bp priority move
>would still be bad
????

>>30368213
>implying that matters when Water Bubble essentially doubles its attack stat

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>>30368035
>>30368171
>No coverage
>No recovery
>Poor support
>Garbage move pool in general

Those GOAT stats can't save it from being a garbo Pokemon in general

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>>30368242

>>30366942
Yeah. You.

>>30366314
No one on /vp/ does. That is how people got BTFO by a Honchkrow

>>30368282
LITERALLY everything

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>>30368333
>That is how people got BTFO by a Honchkrow
How the fuck does that happen

>>30368255
>>30368254
Water Bubble does not double the attack stat; it doubles the BP of water moves. It would be wholly reliant on Aqua Jet.

Azumarill outclasses it in every way.

>>30368171
>can easily whittle it down to <25% HP and take out its school forme because of the holy trinity known as no recovery, no speed, and no HP

It's shit desu.

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>>30367337
It's its "happy" animation in Pokemon Refresh.

Still real cute, though. So cute that they put it in the first episode of the anime.

The fact that Gamefreak managed to make a sea cucumber and its defense mechanism of vomiting its respiratory system CUTE is mindblowing.

>>30368419
Except azumarill can get burned

>>30368419
I think he'd be a good candidate for z-move

>>30367299
i did a run in gen6 with normal type gimmick mons
>smeargle
>spinda
>kecleon
>ditto
>chatot
>castform

they were all level 80 by the elite 4...kecleon, chatot, and castform did good work though

Is it worth raising a Modest Wingul now hat Pelipper has Drizzle?

>>30368560
Might as well just use the frog.

So Lycanroc yay or nay? Midnight Form seems kinda garbage

Noob here. What are some safe bets for a really good team?

>Ubers
Lele-chan
Solgaleo
Lunala
Pheremosa
Celesteela
Kartana

>OU
Buzzwole
Xurkitree
Tapu Koko
Tapu Bulu
Tapu Fini
Necrozma
Toxapex
Mimikyu
Bewear
Araquanid
A-Marowak
Ribombee

>BL
Kommo-o
Minior
Golisopod
Wishiwashi

>UU
Dhelmise
Silvally
Mudsdale
A-Muk
Primarina
Incineroar
Drampa

>RU
Toucannon
Guzzlord
Shiinotic
A-Golem
Tsareena
A-Exeggutor
A-Ninetales
A-Sandslash
Crabominable
Turtonator

>NU
Decidueye
Komala
A-Persian
A-Dugtrio
Togedemaru

>PU
Lurantis
Pyukumuku

>>30366682

Pyukumuku loses to literally anything that has Substitute, Taunt, or a weak coverage move. It can't force out or threaten anything and has no support moves besides dual screens. If you use it, you're basically playing 6-5 just so you can do a bit of damage to a sweeper.

>>30368853
Celesteela is good, but not ubers good. Same with Kartana

Is it me or are an even bigger percent of pocket monsters really shitty this time around?

>>30369037
It feels like Gamefreak tried to make them good, but didn't try hard enough so they always fall short

>>30369037
It's always been that way.

The majority of Pokemon are always gonna be bad. After all, if every Pokemon was good, then none of them would be.

I think gen 2 suffers from the most from "too many shitmons". I mean, you had things like Ledian, Stantler, Jumpluff, and Girafarig. I wish they made more gen 2 megas; they really deserved it.

>>30369102

There's really nothing that I feel that I HAVE to breed and make better.

>>30368419

Araquanid's Aqua Jet would be 2/3rds as powerful as Talonflame's Brave Bird. It also has a decently powerful Scald, even with no Special Attack investment.

tfw Game Freak's too terrified of another smogonbird to give anyone strong priority ever again

>>30369037
They're less minmaxed this time which makes them competitively mediocre

>>30368853
>NU: A-Persian
>Toucannon being used at all

>>30365654

>Uber
Pheromosa (if not now, then surely when the next games come out because Move Tutors)
Marshadow

>OU
Tapus
Celesteela
Toxapex


>RU-PU

everything else except Sogaleo and Lunala

no love for Torkoal?

>>30365654
>Uber
Pheromosa, Tapu Lele, possibly Tapu Koko, fucking Genesect why is that asshole unbanned
>OU
Pelliper, Mimikyu, Toxapex, Salazzle seems to be OU in usage right now but it's not that good
>UU
Ribombee, A-Marowak

>>30367982

No reliable recovery.

>>30369037

They gave them a bunch of exclusive moves, but then forgot to give them the stats and/or movepool to actually abuse them.

Like if Crabomable got Ice Shard and Mach Punch, it may have not been NU trash.

So is A-Marowak pretty much praised for its ability to counter all of the Island Guardians?

>>30367350
Possibly OU, probably not lower than UU, I mean the shell smash set is fun, and at the least he could be a decent suicide lead.

>>30365654
Lurantis is bottom-rank PU for sure. Gotta hang out with the likes of Sunflora.

>>30369292
Nothing goes in UU? Come on now.

UBERS
>box legends
>tapu lele

OU
>celesteela
>squiglecables
>toxapex
>minior
>fake pikachu
>the other tapus

Best nature/moves for Krookadile??

>>30369760

That's mostly it, but it also does alright vs Pheramosa and Genesect.

If the meta becomes infested with Ground and Flying types like last gen, it's not going to stay in OU long.

>>30369760
He counters some relevant stuff and has several good sets.

I don't see him dropping from UU

>>30369102
The problem is that this gen it's 90% of the dex that's just plain sub-UU bad.

>>30369929
Coil and Power Trip are pretty good. Earthquake.

>>30365844
>>30365920
I'll tell ya one thing, I'll be playing Ubers from now on JUST for this lil fella. Best legendary since Zapdos.

>>30368242
Except for fucking Palossand, big mistake.

>>30368035
>Wimpod is this generation's Gyarados
FTFY

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>>30370360
>Zapdos

my nigga

>>30365920
With 125 speed it could reliably steal setup from pokemon that have good enough speed to not worry about setting up speed most of the time. Swords dance sweeps ruined

>>30367110
I've read togedemaru is a pretty good rat this gen

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>>30365844
I love him so damn much.

>>30369917
>>fake pikachu
but why

Mimikyu will be RU at best

>>30365975
>Persian will probably sit UU or even OU, similarly to how dugtrio did in gen 4/5. Z parting shot is just too useful, even if its on a relatively arse pokemon.
>Koko won't drop below OU, too pivotal, in fact, only Tapu that MAY fall below OU is Fini, even that is unlikely
>Necrozma will be UU
>Kartana OU possibly even banned because smogon are whiny bitches
>Buzzwole will definitely be top tier OU once the dust settles
>Celesteela will be OU
>Mimikyu will be too due to how useful it is
>Guzzlord will be UU, too many stats to fall below that, despite fairy weakness
>Nihilego will probably be UU, maybe if too strong to BL, but definitely not a solid OU yet
>Xurkitree will be BL, too exploitable in OU


>Not much else is too relevant, besides obvious strong stuff like Toxapex
>Potential remains to be utilised in Silvally, Minior & Lycanroc. I don't think any of them will be solidly OU, but I think all have potential to be BL
>Also, Victini will be OU again & so will Mega Aerodactyl due to the speed change

>>30366841
This also

>>30367982
Wishiwashi has huge potential if people are willing to build a team around it. Benefits so much from Z-parting shot and stuff like chesto rest and the new upgraded berries... Still a ton of flaws tho, possibly BL potential, maybe UU worst case scenario, too many stats to be below that

>>30368697
Day form is awesome, people are seriously sleeping on the potential of accelerock for some reason

>>30368793
Tapu Koko, Pelipper, Scizor/ Kartana, and anything else you want that abuses rain & electerrain like Raichu-A, Xurkitree, etc.

>>30368853
>Golisopod will probably fall to UU, the ability is just too much of a liability when anyone with a brain plays around it
>Bewear, araquanid and Ribombee, what are you on about
>Once Pheremosa and ilk are banned, A-Marowak loses a niche and will fall to UU, even if the meta centralises around Tapus
>Celesteela won't be banned, Tapu Lele won't be either

>>30370758
Fun, almost viable

>>30365752
Why the fuck would Primarina rise with Liquid Voice? It doesn't do anything useful for it at all.
>>30366390
Does it even have the bulk to SD safely on anything? Jump Kick is legit, though. It'll be the Staraptor of the lowest tiers.
>>30369895
>Lurantis is bottom-rank PU for sure
Contrary Leaf Storm isn't enough to get it to NU?
>>30370287
Unless I've missed something huge, Krook doesn't get Coil. It has Bulk Up and Hone Claws, but not Coil.

>>30368987

Celesteela doesnt need to be "good" to be an Uber, it just needs to be too strong for OU and atm that's not hugely unlikely

>>30370835
Free turn of setup thanks to Disguise, essentially two since it stacks with Focus Sash, good movepool, solid attacks, etc.

>>30371128
It has counters and isn't as polarizing as some other banworthy mon

>>30371103
>worse balk than serp
>literally only grass and whatever hidden power type as coverage
>base forty fucking five speed

lurantis is unredeemable

>>30371152
oh I thought you meant Togedemaru. Yeah Mimikyu is fine.

how do you guys feel about wishiwashi? those stats in school form are pretty damn good, but the school ability being dropped below 20% hp seems to destroy any good chance for it to be competitive...

>>30371103
The only reason Serperior is good with Contrary is because it's fast. You take care of anything that's faster and then let loose. Even fucking Golem speed ties with Lurantis, what is that thing going to sweep?

Toxapex is literally a better Ferrothorn. It makes up for the arguably worse typing an lack of offensive presence with a movepool and ability that is a stallmon's wet dream. That thing is not dropping ever

>>30367581
>Shell Smash
>White Herb
>Acrobatics
>Drops below 50% health and it gets even faster and stronger

As long as it doesn't get OHKO after a shell smash, you have a decent sweeper.

I'm running this set atm, makes a good suicide lead
Shell Smash
Acrobatics
Power Gem
Explosion

>>30371182
>>30371274
That's why I said NU, not even RU or someshit. I don't expect it to be very good, just not PU. It'd probably have to go mixed to do anything at all, but it should function as a workable wallbreaker in the trash tiers, no?

I could see it working a bit like a much shittier Exploud.

>>30371264
I feel the way to go with wishiwashi is to invest in HP and defences. Chesto rest seems almost necessary, but I feel the pinch berries could be useful too.

While it's obvious that you should be running z-parting shot or memento with Wishiwashi, I feel Pangoro offering a slow Parting shot is really useful, due to being able to switch in wishiwashi at the end of a turn, so you don't have to tank 2 hits before getting a move.

You need to babysit Wishiwashi a little more than most would be willing to in competitive play, but I feel it is definitely worth it due to Wishiwashi just being a straight monster when in its element.

>>30371361
I doubt it. Doesn't PU have stuff that just eats it for breakfast

>>30371361
I still say no. Even Servine is a better mon than lurantis

>>30371343
While powergem is really useful, I definitely think you should be going stone edge or rock slide if you can't handle the accuracy. Doing this means you don't have to run a -Def/SpD nature and can make use of the base 100 bulks before shields down. I haven't done too much experimenting with the dual spectrum coverage though

>>30370997
>the new upgraded berries
Scarf Slowbro here. Please elaborate.

>>30371361
The only cool thing it has is Defog. It doesn't really threaten much in NU. I don't see why I'd run this over any other grass mon in NU.

>>30371434
I've been considering it, I need to mess around with it and see what works better. I feel like RNG is always against me so I tend to stay away from lower accuracy moves like Stone Edge etc.

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>>30371437
Inconsistent, but they definitely have viability.

Using it on wishiwashi for one gives it back your school (unless you get unlucky

>>30368648
Froge has no STAB Hurricane though.

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leave OU to me... me curse you...

>>30371465
Rockslide only has 5 less bp, which should close by putting more EVs in attack. Other plus side is a stronger acrobatics too

>>30365752
>subtiers
literally who cares

>>30367350
This is probably the most braindead Pokemon this gen, I fucking love it. Though I have to admit that my greed for Shell Smash sometimes fucks up everything. At least Gamefreak finally knows how to make good single stages that are actually usable.

>>30371465
I've also been thinking dropping rock type & going earthquake. You get better coverage, only zapdos, skarmory, thundurus & mega aerodactyl being relevant that resist.

I agree with a suicide/ one-off setup you really do want consistency

>>30371620
>single stages that are actually usable

The fact that it was a single stage mon made me write it off at first, but after running one on my team it's definitely a favorite. Plus it's shiny is amazing

>>30371719

The only thing really keeping me from doing that is losing stab, but then again it IS really good coverage, along with the Shell Smash + Shields Down.

I might actually run this, invest a few more evs in attack.

>>30371856
>losing stab
Earthquake 20 BP less than stab Power gem, but it is Earthquake & you get some of that difference back in your attack EVs & the benefit from running a nature that isn't defence deficit.

Biggest downside though is not being able to power gem pelipper

>>30365654
OU: Mantine, Pelipper, Raichu, all the other obvious mons
BL: Mimikyu, Bibarrel, Persian, Minior
UU: Decidueye, Dhelmise, Kommo-o, Primarina, Lycanroc-Day, possibly Araquinid.

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>>30372047
>Raichu
explain this

>>30369917
>mimikyu
>OU

it's UU at best

>>30372081
Not him but it could probably work with Topu Koko.

Reminder that every Silvally form gets tiered separately.

>>30372143
Yeah, in RU.
Okay definitely somewhere higher for regular Silvally for the sweetness that is Z-Parting Shot.

>>30372143
Reminder that they're all trash.

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>>30365654
>These tards saying Decidueye will be anywhere below UU.

ITT: Shitters who have no idea how to use Decidueye. He's not an offensive sweeper, he's a support mon. He actually has a pretty viable niche as either a Baton Passer or Defogger. He's pretty much the ultimate teammate for Zard-X/Minior/Mimikyu, so he'll definitely get some usage.

>>30372081
Because Pelipper, rain teams, and Top Kek.

>>30372115
But it REQUIRES tapu koko for surge surfer, and it has redundant coverage with tapu koko and shares common weaknesses to ever-prevalent attacking types

it doesn't even counter tapu koko, so it doesn't have much utility as anti-meta either

>>30372047
>Bibarrel
what's your logic behind this?

>>30372189
>Silvally-Bug
>RU

>>30372248
Not that anon, but Bibarel just got Swords Dance and Aqua Jet, and it already has Simple. I personally don't think it'll rise too much but what do I know.
>>30372252
Man I'm just getting BTFO all over today.

>>30372248
>Simple
>Swords Dance
>Aqua Jet
>Waterfall
>Return

It's basically Azumarill-lite now.

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Do y'all think post-HA Incineroar is gonna end up UU or RU? It's strongest set appears to be Intimidate with Flare Blitz, Lariat, U-turn, then either coverage move + AV or Will-o-Wisp + Leftovers. Would the Nature/EVs tilt towards an Atk, Def, or SpDef spread? Is being worse Arcanine with Dark type, marginally better bulk and offenses, and U-turn good enough for UU?

>>30372306
>>30372307
Sounds fun, I'll definitely give it a go

>>30372377
Maybe BL2. He lacks reliable recovery and still gets pretty outclassed by Arcanine within its own tier. He just isn't a very good mon in Singles.

>>30372377
Intimidate + U-turn sounds kinda fun now that I think about it. Pity it's so slow.

>>30371264
Endeavor seems almost required on Wishiwashi, probably better to run that and prevent solo form from being set-up bait than to waste your item slot on ChestoRest memes, especially with Knock Off everywhere.

Serperior will probably fall to BL, and Talonflame to RU. Job Frog may or may not stay OU.

>>30372537
>Serperior will probably fall to BL
Why? What changed for it?

>>30372624
everything resists grass now

I think Nuzzle/Zing Zap Togedemaru is severely underrated.

>>30372886
I prefer focusing on fell stinger

>>30373346
Tell me more, I was thinking about that too.

>>30373437
I've been considering something like Air Balloon with Fake-out, Zing Zap, Fell Stinger and something else you may want, Spiky shield being a nice option.

Of course, you can life orb or whatever the hell you want. Togedemaru has a ton of options. I feel you need some sort of damage boost if you're using Fell stinger, because it's gonna be hard to KO, especially if you try to use Fake out, as you aren't threatening hard enough and they can just switch in, because anyone can take a neutral fell stinger or Fake out at +0.

I feel something nice would be Fell Stinger, Zing Zap, Poison Jab & Spiky Shield with any number of items like life orb or air balloon.

It's also possible to go an Assault vest set because you have so many resistances to switch into and a ton of utility from attacks like Fell Stinger and Nuzzle. Just throw on two other coverage moves and you're good... Although your only real options are like, Zing Zap, u-turn and poison jab.

Could be good.

>implying anyone can predict OU this early

I remember when gen 4 came out and everyone thought rampardos would be OU because "holy shit 145 base attack + speed choice band" and they thought rhyperior would be OU because "rhydon is already good, now it evolves!" then both of them turned out to be absolute dogshit.

I'm predicting the same for 99% of the guesses here. Anyone thinking shit like minior or dodrio will be good because they can run a gimmick set will be highly disappointed. OU is reserved for basically broken shit and random mons that happen to counter the broken shit.

The only pokemon I think have a chance at OU are some of the ultra beasts and maybe Mimikyu just because of its typing and the fact that I'm confident someone somewhere will find a way to absolutely abuse Disguise

>>30369760
how does it counterall of them? Not skeptical, just cuious and excited. Marowak is my second favorite pokemon

>>30365920
Which pokemon is it? I have not encountered it yet

>>30373765
Resists the fairy stab and has lightning rod for koko. It can also take one lele specs psychic on the chest, it resists bulu.

Fini is the only one it struggles with.

>>30373806
Damn, that's pretty solid
Don't know why I forgot about Lightning Rod
I'm so glad he's good. I loved Marowak, but it just wasn't very good

>>30373706
>everyone thought rampardos would be OU because "holy shit 145 base attack + speed choice band" and they thought rhyperior would be OU because "rhydon is already good, now it evolves!" then both of them turned out to be absolute dogshit

Rock is bad, what else is new.

>Anyone thinking shit like minior or dodrio will be good because they can run a gimmick set will be highly disappointed

The point of minior's set is that it isn't a gimmick because of all the happenstance synergy it gets. Setup without risk of status is extremely undervalued at the moment, considering people are so hyped about Mimikyu's Similar setup. There's also the fact that Shell Smash White Herb Acrobatics is stupidly strong, considering you can suicide with Explosion. Minior is a once-per-match mon which isn't usually used too much in OU, but there's just so much consistency that Minior is one that you need to definitely consider... Dodrio is just as irrelevant as it has always been though.

>Mimikyu just because of its typing and the fact that I'm confident someone somewhere will find a way to absolutely abuse Disguise
Swords dance & Red Card. That much is obvious.

>The only pokemon I think have a chance at OU are some of the ultra beasts and maybe Mimikyu
You're underestimating so many pokemon though. Toxapex is solidly OU as a contender for best defensive/ stall pokemon in the tier, Tapus are all extremely strong, Z-Parting shot is stupid & Alolan Ninetales is obviously OU.

>>30373846
It's also a Pheramosa and Buzzwole, Xurkitree, Nihilego and Kartana check

the offensive sets with thick club can hurt celesteela

>>30370997
>Guzzlord will be UU, too many stats to fall below that, despite fairy weakness
It only has 3 points more than archeops and that's sitting in NU last I remembered

>>30373806
>>30373846
>>30373917
Once Pheromosa and possibly Kartana are banned, people will be able to play around Marowak.

Bulus are already running rock coverage & Tapu Koko is being run with Pelipper more to make Marowak unable to switch in.

>>30373917
Oh, wow. It's sounding better and better.
I'm really glad they made this Alola form
Now if Gogoat can get a solid buff I'll be set with my top 3

>>30373976
>archeops
...You do understand why that's a stupid comparison, right?

>>30374009
Yeah

Archeops has a good stat spread :)

>>30373989
Why would that make Marowak unable to switch in? Are you playing doubles?

>>30374051
I'm triggered

>>30374062
Double switch threats make it hard for Marowak to get in to do anything, due to it not being able to threaten enough on stuff it doesn't counter.

Marowak can't really do anything against rain teams, due to not being able to throw out earthquakes at all & not having any threat against Pelipper, who gets a free U-turn.

Practically no ways to gain momentum with Marowak against a rain team.

>>30373697
I was considering King's Rock plue Nuzzle to be an annoying shit.

>>30365975
>koko
>BL
>celeestela
>uu

nigger what

>>30374159
Only a 10% chance on king's rock... I think it just does what Togekiss/ Dunsparce do only worse.

>>30374182
Yeah but it adds to Zing Zap's 30% chance

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What should I change?

I'm thinking Lycan since I already have doge

Why the fuck do you people keep putting necrozma on OU.

That nigger is a glorified wall setup and that's it, at least with that movepool.

>>30374157
Pelipper isn't gonna want to keep switching in if Rocks are up, especially if it gets hit by a cheeky WoW on the switch.

>all these fuckers that don't know pyuku is secretly A+ OU

>>30374295
Are you -that guy- that insists Shuckle isn't irredeemable trash?

>>30374333
shuckle isn't the bulkiest unaware user
shuckle ain't got baton pass and curse

>>30368648
Pelliper is objectively better than frog tho

>>30374157
This is why you run shadowbone or knock, I think it gets knock in pokebank anyway.

They can't keep taking that damage plus rocks

>>30374295
>see Pyukumuku
>use subs
>proceed to set up
Thanks Pyuku

>>30374561
>set up on pyuku
>its unaware
>it uses psych up
>it subs
>it passes
lol thanks for the boosts

>>30374587
But aren't you still up against someone that has been setup but also with a sub?

And isn't Pyukumuku taunt bait?

>>30374713
what the fuck runs taint and setup?

>nobody in this thread mentioning based Comfey
Calm mind+ priority health drain STAB + priority heal is a great way to meme on your opponents

>>30374730
>what the fuck runs taint and setup?
two separately...

>>30374761
so you're either giving pyuku boosts for free or not boosting. Great, thanks for clearing up how great pyuku is.

>>30374587
Wait, it gets Psych Up and Baton Pass? My respect for it went up a bit.

>>30374730
Did Tauntrados stop being the standard set?

>>30374851
what?

OK, I'll separate the questions...

After using psych up and baton pass, the pokemon you're up against is also subbed and setup. How is that useful, considering they are in the same situation, except they didn't have to use a separate pokemon to get into the same position?

How does Pyukumuku not get completely shut down by taunt?

>>30375000
>After using psych up and baton pass, the pokemon you're up against is also subbed and setup. How is that useful, considering they are in the same situation, except they didn't have to use a separate pokemon to get into the same position?
depends on the boosts and to which mon it passes. If you set up a dragonite and pyuku passes to a skarmory or celesteela you're in for a ride.

>How does Pyukumuku not get completely shut down by taunt?
It does. But the things its memeing tend not to have taunt.

>>30375079
fair play I guess...