>finish main game >decide that I'll play competively

>>30303449
Not doing it this generation, can't stand the frame drops. Once I finish the story I'm putting the game down for good.

>>30303449
>How do you fuckers do it?

pkhex

>>30303449
Battling randoms online is a crapshoot anyways. So many fuckers just use legendaries and shit.

>>30303449
Inject

>>30303449
hacking

>>30303449
>>30303556
>rating battles

>>30303449
Why would you need to hatch that many eggs? The only reasons to breed now are natures, egg moves, and balltism.

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>>30303449
>tfw someone saved my OC Chicken-chan
Glad that someone find my Chicken-chan cute.

Also, use pkhex, OP.

>>30303449
Either make something in pkhex or just use Showdown. No one actually breeds unless it's for shinies.

>>30303449
inject/ action replay legitimate pokemon
without all the grind just play competitive
stupid that you need to do so much work to be on an even playing field

>>30303449
Inject a 6IV ditto for breeding (or multiple for every nature) and you should be fine.

>>30303643
To be fair your Chicken-chan is a cute

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>>30303643
Shoko a cute.

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>>30303690
>Inject a 6IV ditto for breeding when you can inject any desired mon pretty easily

>>30303729
Save it, it's all yours my friend :)

>>30303650
>>30303685
Doesn't injecting require a hacked 3DS?

>>30303600
Explain

How do I pkhex

>>30303449
Why do you shill your shitty pic?

Get a 6IV Ditto and breeding is piss easy. Grab breedjects off GTS and it's even easier.

just play showdown

>>30303798
AR doesnt

>>30303771
2bh I do it to MM with them and so offspring count as hatched in my own game.

Go play Pokemon showdown. You're playing the wrong game.

>>30303958
Then what the fuck is the point of new games?
>>30303987
What's the best one to buy? Any of them support SUMO?

>>30303449
As the other said PKhex, powersaves, and relying on others like that Null giveaway going on for Pokemon to have a team.

For me I went in the reverse order of that. Pkhex is amazing.

Although I still prefer to at least aquire the Pokemon before cheating what I need. Hyper training goes a long way for this in my opinion plus those Rental teams that are going to be coming out eventually.

If you can't do any of those unfortunately I'd say the best way is just Pokemon Showdown

>>30304081
>SUMO

R.I.P. thread

>>30304094
>Although I still prefer to at least aquire the Pokemon before cheating what I need

I modify pokemon that I've caught (well, overwrite them with QR injection) rather than create entirely new ones. It feels better to me for some reason.

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>>30303729
She is.
Does anyone have that picture of the regular Chicken-chan with sunglasses? I've been looking for it for a while.

>>30304170
>qr injection
How

>>30304211
Step 1 is be running CFW

>>30303600
And hidden power

Get a few 6 iv dittos with ledyba bot, then it really only takes a few to hatch a team. Takes a little longer to ev train and level

Or you coul just play showdown

On the plus side, the area around the nursery is pretty damn good and tauros + ability that helps with hatching feels like it goes by so fast.

Its still going to be a grind if you don't want to inject or hack Pokemon, but I don't feel it is as annoying as X/Y was.

Just shoot for perfect attack/special attack and speed IVs and a good nature


Remember that most people online are kids using their in game teams/legendaries. So by default you'll have the upper hand

>>30303834
You can buy items to increase IV now.

>>30303449
>Thinking people are that autistic with this game.

They cheat it m8.

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>>30304185
this?

>>30303989
You can set any desired mons hatched as egg on any route you want and match those said mons with your trainer ID.

>>30304473
I wish there were glasses options that weren't so stupidly oversized.

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>>30304473
Yes, that is the one. You're a god among men, anon.

>>30304185
Which Z-moves is this?

>>30304507
oh yeah, they're way too big

I only started doing it in gen 6 when it stopped being stupidly retarded. I just do it for the satisfaction of having made a pentaperfect version of my favorite mons myself. I have friends like me so I can also have fun battles without retarded OU garbage.

Get destiny knot
Chain ditto to get a 4IV ditto.
Chain the mon you want for a 4IV.
Breed together.

>>30303852
>>30304211
See >>30298375

>>30303449
Either:
Play Showdown. It's a battle sim. It's good.
Or:
Hack in Pokemon

I like Showdown but do the second one if you care about graphics or want to pet them

>>30304430
I still think Game Freak actually owns the companies that sells action replay's and other cheating devices, there is no other reason for why they still haven't put in the game items to change pokemon natures, fucking digimon has had them for years

>>30303449
EVERYONE cheats.
>Cheated dittos are very common
Online, everyone in rating has max stat pokemon already.

>>30304552
Dragon Quest III has that
I thought the nips loved Dragon Quest

>randoms

Where the fuck do I find 6v6 battles? This is a serious question.
>still no 6v6 matchmaking
>still have to add FCs just for a battle like it's fucking 2007

>>30304430
It's especially obvious with the legendaries. Like do people honestly expect people have the autism to catch those pokes with the right synchro'd nature and the perfect IVs they want? God forbid if they're using hidden power on it? Of, fucking, course not; they fucking cheated.

>>30303449
I derive some satisfaction from working towards my team.

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>>30304528
>team consisted of NU and UU mons with one OU
>ORAS release
>team is now Uber, 4 OUs and two UU

>>30304608
And yet hackerfags like to say they have no advantage over anyone, while using event only sets at 31IVs with the exact HP they want like it's nothing.

This game is terrible.

>>30304590
Yup. You still have to add FCs to battle like it's fucking 2007. Nintendo still pushing their retarded doubles and 3v3 bullshit even in a game where doubles run at 5fps. When will Nintendo realize that people prefer 6v6 over 5fps doubles and motherfucking 3v3?

>>30304528
>Chain the mon you want for a 4IV.

I find this pointless because you still have to breed for nature and sometimes egg moves, so you'll lose those chain IVs anyway.

Just chain dittos until you have some covering all the stats.

This thread makes me feel like shit for doing it all legit.

If you're like me and don't do hacking, it takes a while to get the materials you need, such as Destiny Knot and perfect (or near perfect) Dittos, but once you have most of those, everything is fast and smooth sailing from there.

If you don't have a lot of time on your hands, though, yeah consider Pkhex or begging on pkhex threads. If you don't wanna bother with that shit in-game, you always got Pokemon Showdown online.

>>30304674
You don't lose them, you pass them down.

And when you get a 5IV Pokemon that's breeding fodder for that egg group as well. It adds up. Most people who think breeding is this huge impossible autistic thing just don't understand it well enough and suck at it.

>>30304681
I think you're cool. We just don't have as much patience as you. I wish I could do that.

>>30303449
It's not that many eggs if you do it right. But getting to the point where you do it right is the pain oh the ass. But what's where communities like ours in threads like /WFG/ help

>>30304643
>>30304608
It's actually a lot easier now, you just reset for the HP you want, then bottle cap the IVs.

>>30304681
I do it 100% legit and I feel literally no regret except for maybe a few hours of my time.

>>30304514
Incineroar's

>>30304653
But where do I even find people to battle with?

Even a community as huge as GameFAQs which its own battling board is just dead compared to the trading ones. Everyone wants to trade, NO ONE wants to battle.

>>30304588
This Year I've played both Digimon story Cyber Sleuth and World of final fantasy, both of the need fucking 0 effort to build a decent team for online play, worst you are looking at is 5 hours to build the perfect team you want, meanwhile if you don't cheat in pokemon you are looking to at least 20 hours to get a team going for competitive play.

>>30304608
Dude that's easy as hell
Just use Synchro Abras and the Legendaries have 3 perfect IVs anyways, SR until you get the ones you want(or hyper training)
I inject but it's not like the people that do this stuff legit are slaving away

>>30304621
>>30304528
Based, I have one friend who does the same shit with me, we basically just use our favorite mons, M.Fug with UU and PU shitmons

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>>30304590
Wait, is there no way to ask people to 6v6 like with gen 6 PSS? If not then I might not even bother with competitive battling and just breed for the battle tree.

>>30304803
There isn't, basically.

You can see a guest list on the festival plaza and ask people for battle, but because the menus are so badly designed that you don't even GET your requests if you aren't in the precise menu you have to be, 99% of requests you send will not even be noticed.
It's really that fucking bad on a nonfunctional level.

>>30304695
>you pass them down.

You have a chance to pass them down. There is a good chance you won't, even with destiny knot, since your nature parent likely won't be perfect. You have to involve an imperfect mon regardless, so at the end of the day you're relying on ditto anyway.

>>30304757
Battle Spot
Or just make a thread

>>30304757
i think there's a wifi battling and trading general here

>>30304849
>Battle Spot
>6v6

Nigga I've had enough of 3x3 and I don't know doubles for shit, I wouldn't even know where to begin on making double sets, all my mons are made for Singles.

>>30304849
>Battle Spot
nigger he just said he wanted to do 6v6

>>30304873
Just make a thread asking for 6v6s then

What about the player made meta thing that GF was talking about?

>>30304621
>team is now Uber, 4 OUs and two UU
Didn't know you could use 7 pokemon.

>>30304757
People go to Showdown when they want to battle

>>30304835
WOW and I thought the plaza online only thing was bad, GF really messed up on removing PSS
Makes me despise this shitty rotomdex even more.

>>30303449
Doesn't this gen have IV training? So the reason to grind that many eggs is gone. All you need is good nature and that isn't nearly as impossible.

>>30304993
Might as well as sell this piece of shit game then.

>>30304511
Dear god what does that smell like

>>30305020
Will someone please explain this shit to me? All I've seen is Versilify's autistic video of him telling me why it was bad

>>30304999
PSS was great. How do I even use this plaza bullshit. How do I tell if someone's online? One time I ran into my sister who I knew wasn't online, the game doesn't tell you. How do I do motherfucking anything?

Non competetivefag here. What is the best guide for learning injecting on a new 3DS for Sun/Moon and obtaining these 6IV dittos?

>>30305020
IV Training is impossible to use, GF went full retard.

It's worth it for legendaries but even then only barely. Getting to level 100 is impossible without going mad and bottle caps are basically Master Ball tier of rarity.

>>30305093
Oh well that's lousy then. Here I'm thinking you can IV train a pokemon.
Fuck it, trade with hackers then.

>>30305020
Your Pokémon have to be level 100 to get that to happen, so no thanks.

>>30304846
There is a way of doing it that takes some forethought, but yeah it does take some time

>>30304999
You can't randomly give opowers, request 6v6 or trade anymore, give it up even if you camp in plaza because apparently no one will see your request outside of them opening up a menu.
GF better bring back PSS on their next game or SM will actually be the last Pokemon game for me.
Online play was one of the main selling point since they do fuck all for end game now.
Fuck this shit rotomdex meme honestly.

>>30305051
Stop watching him

Why havent they removed IVs yet?

Where are you guys hatching eggs this gen? Most the long routes are cut in half and require loading time.

Wait, if you get a pokemon to level 100, you can max out it's IVs?

>>30305106
Again it's not worth it, you're messing with RNG way more than you have to.

Sure you can breed 5IV mons of every nature for every group, or you luck out chaining with synchronize for a 4IV ditto of every nature, but that's all a gargantuan pain in the ass.

>>30305150
XY was the best online system yet, and they fucked it up for no reason.

But hey now your bottom screen is a Rotom face that does wacky faces when you poke it! It's like I'm really playing Yokai Watch.

>>30305187
>he doesn't know about the autism box

>>30305187
Autismbox.

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>>30305210
Was it too much for GF to make it a simple map without Rotom? Or even a list of the party members like how gen 4 did?

I don't battle competitively, so I don't really care much about IVs.
But I do care about EVs and gen 6 has spoiled me so much that I don't even feel like doing the Battle Tree. Super Training may not have been the fastest way to EV train, but it was definitely the simplest and most convenient way, so without it I just don't have the desire to EV train any of my Pokemon, so my playtime in this game is suffering.

>>30305263
They could do it they just don't want to because every pokemon game NEEDS to be super unique.

>>30305230
>he
Ohoho anon

But the Poke pelago thing? I can't be bothered with the waiting times.

>>30305210
I hope they listen to the critics ad bring back PSS. I honestly doubt any players would prefer a useless rotomdex over PSS and other functionalities.

But seeing how GF focuses on doubles and Battlespot it seems hopeless they would bring back PSS

>>30304122
SUMO
U M
M U
OMUS

>>30305295
pls be my gf

>>30305282
Nigger just fucking find a mon with the EV yield you want, use adrenaline orb, and chain until the stat is maxed. Chains multiply the EV yield with each spawn.

>>30305196
Anyone? I'm so behind on the breeding shit this gen.

>>30305295
>he thinks the island of mobage is the autismbox

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>>30305295
I'm so, so, sorry in advance for what is about to happen. Trolls are going to come into the thread and they will be saying some very hurtful things about you. They will call you some very hurtful names. But none of those things are true. How could they possibly know? How could they possibly know how beautiful you really are? How sweet and compassionate you are? I'm so sorry about them, please do not let them hurt you.

>mfw thinking about you hurting

I just want to see you shine and flourish. You are so precious to me. I want to write poetry and sing songs about my love and adoration for you and all of your perfections. My name is Brian, by the way. I know that you're tired of all the assholes and jerks. I know how you feel baby doll. I know. I am different. I am the nicest guy you will ever meet, and if anything I'll be the one in the kitchen. I live in London. Please be in London.

>>30305326
How tall are you?

>>30305352
6'2" 160lbs pls no bully

>>30305256
where is the autism box

>>30305370
skeleton

>>30305296
Nintendo might listen to the nips if they start up a shitstorm over there.

>>30305339
Then I'm interested.
What's the autismbox? Educate me, I'm just a dumb girl.

>>30305374
Literally directly in front of the nursery.
Put your ass in there, get on Tauros, then run in circles.

>>30305350
i understood that reference

>>30305370
You can be my boyfriend if you buy me the things I like.

>>30305422
Here I was thinking there was some revolutionary auto-hatch method where you just stick eggs in a box and pay a price
But it's just more running in circles. I was already doing that.

So does hyper training not work in online battles or just breeding?

>>30305461
You can keep dashing without actually going anywhere and it lets you keep the egg lady in view at all times.

>>30305181
Because

>Each pokemon is its own individual!

Let's be fucking honest, Gamefreak, competitive doesn't give a shit about that.

>>30305422
You can also just Tauros dash into the corner of the nursery porch next to the door.

>>30305486
It alters stats to be as if all IVs were 31, but it won't change Hidden Power.
Also you need a bottle cap for every stat to maximize (unless you have a gold one but good fucking luck). Also the pokemon needs to be level 100.

>>30305542
Jesus christ. So where is a good place to get 6 IV dittos of every nature then?


Has sun and moon introudced a mechanic where you can change the ball your pokemon is in or is it the same that the kids get the mothers ball?

>>30305461
If you're not an overweight slob then I'll be your bf, baby :)

>>30304417
this game has no fast way to get to level 100

you expect me to get to level 100 grinding e4 over and over?

>>30305562
Ledyba Bot

>>30303449
If you mean in-game online, don't bother unless you can cheat
Majority of people cheat and use hacked pokemon.

10 matches I've done online today consisted of people with 6 shiny perfect pokemon. 3 had shiny perfect necrozma.

>>30305181
>>30305504

Two solutions to keep IVs relevant where they should and irrelevant where they hinder the game.

Solution 1:
>IVs are still in, but when playing rated competitive modes or flat rule matches they get auto set to 31, HP stays the same

Solution 2:
>Make getting to level 100 on postgame reasonable and easy
>Change the stat growth formula so that IVs only matter before level 100
>Higher IV stats will have their stat gains frontloaded so that your early levels (pre-50) gain more stats
>Lower IV stats will have their stat gains backloaded so that your early levels (pre-50) are shit but the closer you get to 100 the more it evens out

2 is more complicated, but makes it so that getting high IVs is still awesome because you'll gain better stat increases early on and make the story/lower level battles against friends easier, but by level 100 it doesn't matter anymore.

>>30305603
Just looked this up
How the fuck do I get one?

>>30305042
pee

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>>30305590
>the highest leveled wild mons are in the 55 range
>e4 members only have their mons in the 60s at most
I really fucking hate Gamefreak's 1 step forward 2 steps back formula.

>>30305656
>11
>still smells like pee

checks out

>>30305603
Is that the twitter account? Spoon feed me senpai.

>>30303484
>frame drops
There are very few, if any. You've got some mad autism to let something so little bother you. Take your shit taste to reddit

>>30305605
>playing on free battles

20 hours is like, 1 day dude. are you even serious about this game or what?

>>30305885
People have lives.

>>30303449
pkhex or skip the bullshit entirely and play on showdown

Even if you find the on cartridge battles novel at first, it won't last

the battles take fucking forever, most of it is just waiting for either shitty netcode or for your dumbass opponents to pick a fucking move, then for the long ass animations to play out. Yeah, it's neat the first 5 times, but I don't need to see it every fucking time

>>30305584
I'm a slob but I'm thin. I-Is that okay?!

Anyone up for some battle royale?

honestly, it'd probably be faster to level a pokemon to 100 by making a team of Pickup users and feeding all the rare candies to the pokemon you're leveling

>>30306038
Showdown is shit and it doesn't have nearly the player quality of the true online ladder, not to mention that it's buggy as fuck.

>>30306202
I just hacked in 9999 Rare Candies and 999 bottle caps.

Much easier than extracting my save every time just to edit a Pokemon. Plus I know this really is literally saving time, because I still have to get/breed all the Pokemon correctly, I just get to skip the exp and IV grind.

>>30306283
>the true online ladder

3x3? Really?

>>30306283
>player quality of the true online ladder
You mean more children using their in-game teams?

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>>30306283
>Showdown is shit and it doesn't have nearly the player quality of the true online ladder, not to mention that it's buggy as fuck
nice try, verlisify

>>30306045
Yes.
Please sit on my face

>>30306308
No. 4x4.

Probably I'm saying something stupid as fuck, but, all of those giveaways are made in pkhex right?

>>30306315
>anyone who shits on my special snowflake pokemon rules is a irrelevant furfag.
sure thing dork.

>>30306652
no but anyone who thinks that the in-game ladder is "quality" is and anyone who thinks showdown is buggy af hasn't played on it since it was shoddy battle

>>30306647
Depends.
I do breedjects givaways all the time.

6 IV/legendary/shiny givaways are always hacked though.

>>30306753
You are cool anon, does it takes too much time to breed a perfect IV monster?

>spend dozens of hours chaining for hidden abilities, breeding, and training EVs
>turns out that my team composition is shit
>have to do it all over again

i dont understand how you autists do it

i cant take any more grind

>>30305674
>battling to raise levels
Ok gramps. Me and the rest of the cool kids on the block are going to be using 5 star Rare Kitchens to achieve our wildest dreams.

>>30306753
Hey anon, wanna hook it up w/ a high iv breedject?

>>30306834
6IV takes time, because at least one IV will always roll from 0-31 and not get passed, so that last one has to roll 31 naturally.

But I always just settle for 5IV in the right stats.

>put in hyper training
>you can only get bottlecaps from events
They're just taunting competitive players this time.

>>30303449
My first competitive pokemon I bred was a 6iv HA breelom using a 3 iv ditto from Friend Safari and a random shroomish. Took around 6 eggs. You too can do it for the small price of your soul.

>>30303449
Literally everyone uses pkhex.

Does SM have a friend safari where you get mons with at least 2 or 3 perfect iVs?

Or is breeding really bad this gen?

>>30307322
>you can only get bottlecaps from events
have you even played the game?
>>30307496
>Does SM have a friend safari where you get mons with at least 2 or 3 perfect iVs?
>Or is breeding really bad this gen?
>Does SM have a friend safari where you get mons with at least 2 or 3 perfect iVs?
>Or is breeding really bad this gen?
Actually, it's quite a bit easier- it is stupid easy to chain out 4IV+ pokemon with HA.

>>30303449
pkhex. only an autist would spend hours running around in literal circles hatching eggs.

>>30307541
>HA.
What is HA? I've been out of this for a year

Does pkhex work for gen 7 yet?

>>30304511
Sauce plz

>>30307548
But what if my 3ds isn't hacked?

>>30305042
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows.

>>30307558
hidden ability

>>30307604
ask someone to gen something for you. you want something done? ill make it right now no joke

>>30303643
I'd use Pokehex, but I'm waiting for an 11.01 update so I can install Homebrew.

>>30307627
>hidden ability
oh no shit. There a guide for breeding yet this gen?Just beat the elite 4

>>30307627
Sure, actually.
[email protected]

Pls email

>>30307558
Hidden Ability.

>>30307635
You can buy a 6.0 fw 2ds + mk7 bundle from amazon for a little over $100. i got specifically to play the lurantis moon leak but it's also helped out bigly with pkhex'ing and playing other games for free.

How exactly does 4IV chaining even work? Is it just every mon in a chain after a certain length?

>>30307715
https://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-2DS-Crimson-Red-Mario-Kart-2DS/dp/B00NAXECX0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1480316475&sr=8-3&keywords=2ds+bundle

This one? Is it worth it if I already has a 3DS XL? It seems better than just waiting in the longrun. I just hope it has an edition on it that can run Homebrew.

>>30304681
I just make sure to play test a fuckton on showdown before breeding/catching my teams in-game. Cuts down the time spent on grinding to minimum and still gives you the satisfaction of owning a legit team on cart.

>>30304759
Yeah, sometimes I feel Nintendo/GF got it all backwards when it comes to Pokemon.

They make the main adventure piss easy and multiplayer features very hard [to get into]. When it should be exactly the other way around.

>>30305679
Doubles are unplayable on older systems, ie anything not the new 3ds, I see why they dropped triples from the game.

>>30305656
pew

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>>30306285
This guys knows what's up.

Literally the most retard-proof method there is.

>>30306652
You know you can play official formats on showdown as well?

>>30304518
actually named "oversized"
Gotta love how stupid it looks in cutscenes

>>30306860
see >>30307825

>>30305291
this

>>30306865
>grinding friend coins
it must be fun doing "type matchup test" for the trillionth time huh

>>30303449
Use Hyper Training

Speaking of which, how do I get bottlecaps? Am I really expected to rely entirely on RNG?

>100s, if not 1000s
only if you want shinies and balltism
Otherwise, synchronize for nature, retry for abilities. You could stop right there if you wanted due to bottlecaps. Otherwise, you could breed for a few IVs.

Only things that genuinely still take time are hidden powers and 0 IVs.

>>30308285
You can get them semi-reliably by using the splashing fishing spots in some places

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anyone else only doing battle royale here?

>>30308285
Isn't HT a pure cosmetic thing?

>>30308367
Yep. Exploding the enemy for days

>>30308397
Alolagolem Electric STAB Explosion?

>>30308430
Was unfortunately too slow to do with it. Using Minior, Metagross and Gigalith

>>30308395
It gives stats stupid.
It's "cosmetic" in that the IVs are the same and so Hidden Power doesn't change, but you get the stats of perfect IVs.

>>30308321
>>30308285
Hopefully there is a good method for farming them up later. It's really sad you got to get level 100 for it.

GF really trying to make everyone cheat if they want to get into the competitive scene. I just dont get it. If you scrap IVs, you open up the competitive scene to a ton of players and maybe that increased base might throw in some unique teams that change up the current hierarchy or something.

Pokemon has a really depressing competitive. scene. I always talk bout wanting to get into it but it's just too much shit. I dont know how to homebrew and just dont know if I have the time.

>>30303449
It doesn't take that long. You can breed a full team in a day if you know what you're doing. Though I would recommend trying that team out on Showdown first, so you don't waste your time breeding shitmons.

>>30308065
Yet Triples ran fine in XY and ORAS.

The fuck did they change here?

>>30308538
I have to strongly disagree with you. IVs and EVs are a thing that makes each Pokemon unique. They're something that should never be scraped.
As far as GF is concerned, you don't HAVE to have perfect IV Pokemon to get into the competitive scene. Everyone can, technically, ignore IVs in competitive. GF just rewards the players who don't. Breeding isn't a requirement, but it does give you an edge.

>>30308554
Any good guide?

>>30308683

>>30308538
>>30308683
Cheating is more fun desu
>no bullshit grind
>still have to create a team
>still have to select the right moves
>still have to choose what items to give each pokemon
>still have to think critically while battling
I'd rather not run in circles for 200 hours.

>>30308768
meant for >>30308683

>>30308753
>>30308768

Eh, you do you. I prefer to play fair. Speaking from personal experience, it just feels nicer when I win, knowing that I created this team from scratch through just hard work.
Though I agree it isn't fun to breed, so it's understandable if you want to cheat.

It's more fun to not give a fucking shit about breeding and just breeding/creating good teams enough to just beat your family and close friends.

Bitches still dont know how to beat shell smash skill link cloyster and it's fun.

>>30308719
>>30308768
He didn't say anything wrong. I don't see what the problem is.

>>30308858
He defended IVs. Something that promotes cheating.

Is a lure ball sheer force Totodile possible?

>>30306707
>Doesnt think showdown is buggy as fuck

you can press a move for days and it;ll still come off as a different move

>>30308065
Actually, it isn't so bad in online, I guess due to the simple arena.

>>30308886
He's not wrong though. IVs and EVs are a thing that make each Pokemon unique. They're part of the charm of Pokemon.
Yes, people cheat because they want better IVs, but even if IVs were not a thing, they would still cheat. This time to get some egg move or something, but the cheating isn't going away, ever.
You're saying GF should throw out a great aspect of their game just because people cheat get perfect IVs. That's just being dumb. The cheating affects no one other than the cheater himself. Frankly, no one gives a shit.

>>30308538
I'd be fine with level 100 if they didn't make level 100 so much worse than X and Y. Audinos are gone, the E4 caps at a really low level, and there's nothing like the battle chateau. It's easily the worst the level grind has been since maybe gen 4.

>>30303449
>How do you fuckers do it?
Injection. If you're not an idiot you make one that is completely indistinguishable from a legitimate one.

Look at that thread giving away 6IV foreign ditto for instance. Do you REALLY believe that that dude got at least 3 boxes of 1 in 1 million chance ditto legitimately?

>>30309162
Nope.

I luckily got one though so hopefully it's easy to breed now

>>30307558
Hidden Anus

>>30303449
if it takes hundreds of eggs to get a good mon you kind of suck at this. I got a six iv wingull in, what, 40-50 eggs?

>>30309794
Wingul sucks

>>30305305
Sumo um mu omus sumo umum mu os
hmmmmmmmm

>>30304507
It's because they have retardedly big anime eyes and normal sized glasses would leave 80% of their eyes uncovered.

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All I really care about is the Battle tree, not online;
will an optimized as far as EVs/IVs go team of pretty much whatever mons do fine?
I got a ditto that I'm realizing now was clearly injected, but I'm using it anyways for breeding

I don't want to hit a wall because I'm not running Megas/Legendaries

>>30308802
hard work from what? running around in literal circles? that's tedious unnecessary nonsense. when i used to be a breedfag in x/y i gathered eggs and into lumiose city. put a penny in my thumbpad so my guy would just spin around that tower on the bike until everything hatched. there is literally nothing hard about that its a waste of time.

>>30310231
RPGs wasting time with tedious shit? Wow, that's unheard of. Shit game design.

>>30309012
Gen 4 didn't have Gen 5 EXP scaling and had higher level trainers to fight in general (and stuff like gym leader rematches + E4 rematches in the 70s).

You'd have to go back to the original Ruby and Sapphire (aka well over a fucking DECADE ago) to find a worse grind than SM; Emerald you could clone up rare candies like crazy and FRLG at least had E4 rematches at a higher level than what SM have.

>>30309942
The OL trainer has small glasses and it works well.

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>>30303449
I stopped playing competitive start of gen 6.

I'm 21 and got completely burnt out playing so much in 2009-2012, I don't see the appeal anymore battling random people. I'm here for the main games and waifus. I do shiny hunt sometimes but don't bother with the other shit. It's nice having pkhex too so I skip all the grinding for hyper training my mons, but it's not like I'm going to do much with them when sun/moon has little postgame outside multiplayer.

>>30310367
JRPGs have fallen out of mainstream for a reason.

>>30303449
>thousands of eggs

lel, maybe if this was 5th gen.

>get 6iv ditto
>have it make fug with something
>have the baby make fug with the ditto

Oh no! a 5iv pokemon in very little time! If only gamefreak put in a way to pass natures down too!

>>30310667
It's not just JRPGs. Any RPG with a big competitive scene is the same. If you hate it so much, you have many options, such not playing the tedious part of the game, which people call the "competitive' part. Or cheating. Or simply using Showdown.

>>30310852
The point is that it's bad game design, They're losing players for no good reason.

>>30303449
Ill just wait for the Powersave update for SM.

>>30311068
No, it's to stop stupid players from overtaking in the competitive scene, and reward the dedicated players for the time they put in.
Again, you CAN play competitively without perfect IVs. The game isn't stopping. Retards just don't want to. They're scared because the people who put in more time building team will be always be better than the ones who don't.
It's simple and effective design. You're asking that everyone should be the same level regardless of the effort they put in their game. THAT would be bad design.

>>30311068
See >>30311068

and it will be a much more chaotic clusterfuck than it already is.

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are breedfags the biggest hypocrites ever?

>receive a 6iv ditto from someone that was obviously gotten through pkhex
>use it
thats ok.

>pkhex user gens something
>w-wow cheater go back to showdown

If youre using a gend ditto then why not skip the middle ground and just inject? You're already cheating bastards breedfags sorry.

^i meant

see >>30311199

>>30311272
>Assuming I use Ditto

Plus, breedfags mostly don't care about cheaters. Not everyone has the time, so cheating is somewhat justified. What pisses us off is when you fags act like you're doing the right thing by cheating.

>>30311199

It sounds like you're afraid of competition desu.

Placing a wall that has nothing to do with battling, so you only face people who spent all their time breeding and not getting experience on what actually matters. Or, even worse, having your pokemon statistically stronger so you can win in situations where you wouldn't if both had flawless pokemon.

All those "stupid players" have a potential to be pros and making the scene more lively, but I guess that's bad for you if you're a mediocre player.

>>30308065
im on a day one 3ds and the frame drops in doubles aren't THAT bad

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>>30303449
>How do you fuckers do it?
pkhex

>>30311272
>hacked parents mean the offspring is hacked
you're still putting in time to hatch and EV train the babbies, it's a hell of a lot more legit than just injecting them in

pkhex and qr scaning with pkhex. You think im gonna waste 100s of autism hours on hatching eggs? Hell no. No one will ever tell that i genned my shit anyways

>>30311326
>Pokemon is only about battling
This is where you're wrong.
If all these retards are "potential pros", then then wouldn't let a few hours of grinding get in their way.

Here's an interesting thing. I've seen literally hundreds of these "potential pros" try Showdown first, since it doesn't require breeding and let's them get a taste of what competitive Pokemon is like. Almost every single one of them give up within a week, if not a day. Changing the nature of the game to favor these autists is the last thing GF needs to do.

>>30311407
No it isn't.

You can't get 5IV Dittos for a reason. "Putting in time" means nothing when you're skipping the hardest part in the first place.

>>30311449
>You can't get 5IV Dittos for a reason.
What is chaining

>>30311407
Nope, it's still hacked. It got perfect IVs for no real reasons. Less hacked doesn't mean it isn't hacked.
I'm a breedfag and have use the Ditto, but I'm not going to pretend I did nothing wrong.

>>30308575
You didn't notice the trainer models in the battles now too? More high quality models = more strain on the 3DS. Double battles now have 6 models instead of 4, and they're not just standing on spooky circles anymore.

>>30303449
With a 6IV Ditto you can perfect eggs easily, if anything you should be complaining about legendaries since you can only get one and need them at level 100 to hyper train

>I just can't see myself doing the egg grind only to battle randoms online
But battling randoms is the most fun way to battle. Make one team, climb the ladder as far as you can, as you learn the meta get ideas for more teams

>>30311467
It doesn't goes above 4IVs you dummy.

You don't even know how it works, will you keep saying that your stuff is legit?

>>30308683
This exactly. I don't understand why so many people feel like they're forced to do this. Without those unique values, battling would have even less variety.

>>30311485
>It doesn't goes above 4IVs you dummy.
Proof? Also I'm not the same guy

>>30311517
How the heck will I prove this? I'm speaking from experience.

I'll look if there's a source online but I've never found a 5IV Ditto.

>>30303449
There are multiple 6IV Ditto giveaways going on here at any given time as well as the Ledybot. There's not much excuse. Making a team's been faster than ever since last gen.

>>30303449
>hundreds if not thousands of eggs

How fucking bad are you?

>>30311545
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/187276-pokemon-sun/74609168

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/5eahum/how_to_chain_for_iv_dittos/

You're only guaranteed 4IVs. So, statistically speaking, you'll have to knock out over 1400 Dittos for a 5IV one; good luck with that.

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I love how these breedcucks have this twisted sense of supremacy with their bike sims.

>>30303449
you've got to have some pretty serious autism to even consider playing pokemon "competitively", so hundreds of hours of egg grinding isn't usually a problem for those people in the first place.

>>30311609
>https://www.reddit.com
>giving plebbit traffic
At least archive it you fuck

>>30311645
how is that autistic?

>>30311722
>Having to hold a button, in direction, for multiple hours at a time in some occasions.
>Not a task that drive a sane man crazy.

And that is why it is autistic, because you breeducks aren't even remotely fazed by the task. Infact you welcome it, with open arms.

>>30311777
no i meant the part about playinng pokemon in a competitive setting.

>>30311806
Playing pokemon in a legitimate way requires the bikesim mobage part.

>>30311825
>Just now realizing that Pokemon got in on the mobile gaming "wait about 2 to 5 minutes for your task to complete" part of mobile gaming, before mobile gaming cancer was even a thing.

Really gets those neurons firing.

>>30305679
>There are very few, if any

what the actual fuck dude. Maybe it's just because I've been playing at over 100FPS lately on PC but the frame drops in this game are fucking HORRID

>>30304417

WHAT

>>30311887
They're much better than XY, at least.

>>30311907
bullshit. this game all but fucking explodes in a double battle. that did not happen in X/Y

>>30311907

I haven't even beat the game yet but I've seen noticeable slowdowns in singles battles and in cut scenes.

I can't remember if X or Y was worse.

>>30311952
>noticeable slowdowns in singles battles
my old 3DS handles these fine, you just fucked up your system

>>30311972

Maybe you're just not capable of seeing it

>>30311997
The human eye can only see 24 fps drops per eye anyways

>>30312014

I've been highly trained by the Gorilla Sniper CORPS to see 25

>>30311943
There's slowdown during double battles, but it's still overall considerably better than XY.

>>30311952
Nope, didn't get any of that on my old 3DS.

>>30312029
More like Sniped Gorilla Corpse.

>>30312045
LOL HARAMBE XD

>>30312035
You did, you're just too stupid to notice. It's not some subjective bullshit or something that varies between different systems, there are significant framedrops in on both old and new 3DS systems and this is objective fact.

It's fucking Pokemon. It could run at 1 fps and still be just as playable. There's no action combat here.

It's just ugly, no more.

>>30312055
DEX OUT FOR ORANGURU XD

>>30312091
why should you be satisfied with a flawed product when you know you could have gotten a better one?

>>30304417
>>30311903

Yea except bottle caps don't actually increase IV's, they just flag the stats to behave as if that Pokemon had 31 IV's. Ergo, those stat increases aren't passed down for breeding. Its helpful for legendaries and such, and also so you can breed just for hidden powers, then flag the stats as 31 with bottle caps

>>30312122
You couldn't have. GF are well known for being completely incompetent at optimisation, and no one else is going to be making a Pokemon game, so there was never any chance that there would be a technically competent Pokemon game.

>>30303449
Pussy I have 400 hours in alpha sapphire with 3 boxes of fully trained 5-6 iv pokemon.

>>30312138
so why should I be satisfied with GF being incompetent fucks? you have no reason to be apologetic on their behalf, they made a flawed product

>>30312167
A proud display of your autism. Mind if I deleted your data?

>>30312207
They did, but there is no competition. They have no reason to improve because despite all your bitching you're still gonna fucking buy it.

>>30312167
>400 hours in alpha sapphire

you poor soul. I have a couple hundred in X but I don't even think I finished the Delta episode of AS

>>30312217

b-but Yokai Watch

>>30312133
holy shit someone write a guide on this

>>30312247
Is actually fairly decent, but is totally different from Pokemon in basically every way beyond there being lots of monsters to collect.

>>30311621
>breedcucks
But anon, cucks don't breed.

>>30312303
They're getting other pokemon to make eggs for them, and they're the ones that end up having to raise them; that's the definition of cuck.

>>30312303
B-but anon
KEK KEK KEK KEK
Isn't it funny? Do I fit in yet??

>>30303449
Breeding is way easier this gen other than getting the destiny know. Faster breed and hatch times both, plus Avue can be hatching 18 eggs simultaneous to you hatching another 5 flamebodied in that little fenced in area near the nursery.

Moves are easy. Abilities are easy. Natures are easy. The only real pain are IVs and once you have 6iv on something it's really easy to breed 5 over to other things because it's only a 1/6 chance to get all the stats where you want them.

Plus if you want to forgo IVs, and don't need hidden power or anything, you could just bottle cap farm. It's slow but works more or less all on its own, no hassle, just wait.

Just inject a huge pile of gold bottle caps and rare candies

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>>30312267

Well its Hyper training, plenty of sources if you google it. Basically you get gold or silver bottle caps from Treasure Hunt facilities on your festival plaza (higher the rank of the facility, the more chance of getting the caps)

You can also get them by redeeming 30 shards of one colour to the old man in the Plaza Castle; you get shards by sending your slave pokémon down the Pelego mine. (I think the man only appears after you've beaten the elite four, I'm not sure)

Once you have the bottle caps you do the actual hyper training just by talking to an NPC in Hao'Oli city shopping centre, he'll ask you to pick a pokemon and a stat to increase.

one silver bottle cap= 1 stat boosted to 31 IV equivalent
one gold bottle cap= all stats boosted to 31 IV equivalent

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>>30304681
Don't. Do what you want bro. I get satisfaction out of seeing my work pay off in the end.

I used to inject/AR but tried my hand on breeding in Gen6. I fucked up a lot, but after i got my first perfect IV Protean Froakie it felt fucking awesome. Now I have a whole bunch of boxed hatchlings wating for the transfer to Alola from Hoenn.

It's just so satisfying to finally see your perfect little monster.

I have hatched Synchronize Abras of every Nature and have chained 3 4iv Dittos. Now all I need is a Destiny Knot and the fun can begin again.

>>30303798
Define hacked. You don't need cfw if that's what you're saying.

You will need access to homebrew though. That's not really hacked though. Just using security holes in games to run unsigned code. No permanent mark left, just remove it off your SD and you're brand spanking new.

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Beating some faggot kid's shiny legendary team with legit pokemon I've spent time on is very satisfying. Breeding isn't fun I admit but the results are worth it.

>>30312353
No. Back to /pol/ with you.

Spending time in the game doing monotonous tasks is part of the charm of Pokemon and RPG's in general. If I could hack Pokemon into my game I'd be bored of the game so quickly. It's very satisfying to put in effort and get results. It's something you can't get if you cheat.

>>30312568
You can also get BC from fishing in Poni Island.

>>30311272
I still use a perfect Modest Ditto I RNG abused back in gen 4, get fucked.

>>30307548
Doing things legit is having autism? Fuck off.

>>30311449
This is sort of a moot point once Bank is out, though. People RNGed stupidly good dittos way back in Emerald that were cloned a shit ton and are still in use today. So there's not much practical difference.

>>30303449
The competitive scene is a lie

They all use hacked pokemon that conform to the standard rules

>>30313868
>Doing things legit is having autism?

Yes, running around in circles for hours IS autism.

I can easily inject with Pkhex but I want to try and start breeding "legitimate" Pokemon. Is there an easy guide on how to do so with S/M? I want to try but am totally lost on what to do. I have a 6IV Ditto if that helps.

I have perfect Dittos in my XY, can't I just pokebank them into Moon or is that not a feature right now?

>>30314013
>Jogging is autistic
OK, you fat fuck

>>30314251
Jogging, in real life, has a pay off; it makes you healthy, which in turn makes you live longer. Biking around in circles in pokemon does not, it just makes you more autistic.

>>30304528
>4iv
You love to lose dontcha

>>30304681
I am 99% legit.
But everyone should have a 6 IV ditto.
If i get perfect pokemon on wonder trade i use them too.

>>30305181
Because pokemon are individual.
It makes the game feel more alive, but since most people are autistic and only care about numers, they will just spout things like Remove IV, since gen 4, and it will never happen.

How do you find synchronize mons? That shit takes forever in itself

>>30305389
Below the breeding girl is a small place you can ride tauros in and run like an autism and hatch like a mad man.

>>30305590
You have to use plaza 5 star kitchen.
I think they voluntary made it hard to reach level 100

>>30314874
>It makes the game feel more alive
>but since most people are autistic

>>30308989
Competitively, IVs may as well be one of 3 sets of base stats. If each pokemon could have 3 sets (equivalent of 6IV, 0 ATK, and 0 Speed), you would have roughly the same variety. Because competition is about min maxing, and every IV point is an edge.

EVs are customization. How bulky or offensive do I want this pokemon to be? Do i want it to survive a PDon Fire Punch? Or do I want it to OHKO Kyogre? Do I want my Bronzong to out speed? There is your uniqueness, not in IVs, but EVs. IVs are now and have always been dumb.

>>30303449
waiting for faggot giveaways