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ITT: Retarded decisions made by GameFreak this gen. >Water

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ITT: Retarded decisions made by GameFreak this gen.

>Water Compaction doesn't nullify Water-type moves
>it boosts Defense even though Water is a special type
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>>30282153
>Water is a special type
What is Aqua Jet, Waterfall, Aqua tail, Razor Shell, Dive, Liquidation.

Also Z move can be physical.
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>Let's make every Pokemon slow, people like that right?
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>special type
nigga this ain't gen 2
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>>30282547
>>30282607
retards
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>>30282153
>Cutomization is shit, again.
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>Water is a special type
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>>30282547
But physical water moves are a lot rarer. You occasionally see Waterfall or Aqua Jet, but almost never compared to Scald. Maybe this will change with Golisopod and Araquanid, but in its current state Water Compaction is pretty much useless.
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>>30282652
wrong.
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>>30285566
oh well shit he said the word wrong let's pack it up boys
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>>30282652
>Physical moves are a lot rarer.
Annoyingly incorrect
> You occasionally see Waterfall or Aqua Jet, but almost never compared to Scald.
Wrong. See Gyarados, swampert, wishiwashi, crawdaunt, sharpedo, feraligatr, samurott,golisopod, kingler, etc.
The highest special attack of a water type bar ash-greninja is wishi-washi with 140 which is equal to its attack stat, while there are m- swampert and m-gyara which are both 150+ and sharpedo and wishiwashi are both up there. This whole argument is ridiculous and water is both physical and special equally. If not is is leaning towards physical
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>>30285566
I'm sorry anon.
But he's objectively right.
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A specially bulky ground type would be new, but if you think having a high defense stat is bad for a ground-type then you're irreconcilably retarded
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>>30285707
>physical water types get aqua tail as their best waster STAB
>special get shit like scald and high power moves like hydro pump

Why do physical pokemon get fucked over constantly when it comes to useful moves? Everthing is either lower BP than special moves or has fucking recoil or sub 90% accuracy or some other fucking draw back.
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>finally add feature that eliminates the need to be autistic over IVs
>limit it to level 100s
>make it terrible to grind that high
>item you need to complete the feature is time-locked
>EV training is inefficient now
>So is egg hatching

WHAT DID THEY MEAN BY THIS? WHY DO THIS IF IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS THE OLD WAY?
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>>30285843
because fuck you
gamefreak already has your money
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>>30285820
>crabhammer
>waterfall
>liquidation
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>>30285707
I think he meant you rarely see them because they're so bad, anon. A large chunk of the pokemon you gave as examples are garbage and Wishiwashi has no reason to use Waterfall over Scald, even if its attacking stats are equal.
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>>30285820
Most utility is physical. Dragon tail, u-turn, most priority, power up punch, foul play, leechlife/drain punch
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>>30285843
>item you need to complete the feature is time-locked
what
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>>30285843
>>item you need to complete the feature is time-locked
What?
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>>30285843
Only thing that bothers me about all of this, is the fact that "real" competitive is now pretty much dead now and only sun/moon matters. Fuck you I want to be ORAS pokemon master, you dicks.
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>>30282153
>Berserk raises Special Attack
>Ability exclusive to a Physical attacker
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>>30282153
Removal of Reset Bags
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>>30286029
>>30286066
You can only get a certain amount of shards per day to get bottle caps
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>>30286341
>Ability exclusive to a Physical attacker
?????
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>>30286418
SO is there no way to reset IV?
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>>30286341
>Drampa
>Physical Attacker

What?
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>>30285820
Well, GF have a weird way to balace types, they usually make a type mostly based for either Physical or Special, almost never mixed
Water is still for them special based, thats why they have more special moves than are common and good, scald for utility, surf for doubles and hydro pump for raw damage, in the other hand you have Liquidation/Waterfall/Aqua Tail than are just one target damage with decent power and a priority move Aqua jet (than you dont see outside Azumarill, Crawdant, Feraligatr and now Golisopod), is almost a mixed type, but is still more Special Based
Fighthing is a physical type with lots of options, Drain Punch for sustain, Close Combat/Superpower for raw damage, Mach Punch for priority, and more (Circle Trow, Low Kick, Dynamic Punch, etc), but with few and rare special options Focus Blast have very low acc, Aura Sphere is rare with not that high power and Vacum Wave than is even more rare.
Fire is more mixed, having similar options for both Phy/Spe moves, most of them are raw damage with a chance to burn. Not much variety other than some signature moves.
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>>30286531
I mean EV

fuccggg
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>>30286341
What? What makes you think Drampa is a physical attacker?
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>>30286341
>60 base attack
>135 base special attack
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>>30286139
With every new game the one before it go to trash, is like that since GS
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>>30286569
There is, but its slow. Force feed stuff to your pokemon for a while
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>>30286531

Use berries, or pay out the ass in Festival Plaza.
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>>30286531
Feed your Pokémon drinks from poke plaza or whatever it's called, they raise friendship but reduce base stats to zero
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>>30286531
IV's no, EV's yes, some festival plaza shops have options that raise happiness in exchange for lowering an EV, the higher level ones tank the EV to 0.
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>>30286682
I know, and it's enough to get me to the boiling point.
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>>30282153
>confide is still a TM
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Minor complain, but why is "switch pokemon" removed from the pokemon menu. I always forget that now you must press y.
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>>30286476
where do you trade them in? i have tons of them
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>>30286937
Festival Plaza, there's an old man in the house thing that trades them.
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>>30285843
SOS battles are actually super easy to EV train on. It takes 7 pokemon to max a stat, if you have pokerus and the item booster.
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>>30286513
>physical typing
>learns more physical attack than special attacks
>Sp Attack is twice as much as its physical attack

Goddammit. Drampa is just bad at everything!!
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>Oricorio doesn't get any dancing moves on its own
>Aurorus, the fucking aura based pokemon that can start hail doesn't get the new aura move that only works in hail that would greatly increase its viability
>PSS replaced for a worse connectivity system because fuck improving on things we already implemented and saving time for a better result
>Rotom's eyes take up 2/5 of the bottom screen and does nothing useful post game because you already know where everything is
>Dark Void only usable by Darkrai AND massive accuracy nerf when they only had to do one or the other
>require lv100 for Hyper Training when the grinding spots in this game are piss poor and they couldn't even give the E4 a higher leveled rematch team
>not making all the mega stones available when they're banned from VGC anyway
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>>30286341
You fucking idiot. kek
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>>30286341
Oriocorio's forme should not be intechangable, to allow a better movepool and to go with island/island darwin-esque evolution

Dark Void is balanced for doubles. Remember Dark Void puts everything to sleep on the enemy side. That's fucking broken

I totally feel you on the grinding bit. I'm currently grinding for the E4 and it's absolutely dreadful. The only things in Mt. Lanakila that give me decent Exp are Absols. I wish Audinos were back
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>>30286513
>>30288518
>they have not used drampa at all
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>>30288518
What the fuck are you talking about, Drampa's movepool is Gen 1 kaiju-pokémon tier
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>Alolan Marowak learns Shadow Bone at level 27
>evolves at level 28
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>No PSS
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FORTY
THREE

the entire line was handled like shit even in game
>pain in the ass to find early on
>stuck NFE for most of the game as a physical attacker
>by the time you can evolve it at long last you have a special attacker with nothing but three physicals move and thunderbolt
>shortly after you realize that eviolite charjabug was actually just way better and you fucked up by evolving it
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>>30288575
>aura and aurora are the same thing
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>>30288518
Have you even seen it's special movepool at all? What the fuck is wrong with this board today? The retardation here is immense.
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>>30285843
>EV training is inefficient
>So is egg hatching

What the fuck are you talking about? Even without Pokerus I can completely EV train a Pokemon in under an hour. And hatching eggs seems even faster in this gen, or at the very least it's not any slower.

Hyper training and grinding is bullshit though.
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>>30288961
i dont have pkerus and i have no BP
end me, pelago EV training is so boring
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making new pokemon have incredibly rare spawn rates

unless you're actively searching for it, you will most likely not even encounter
>Bruxish
>Mareanie
>Drampa
>Togedemaru
>Dhelmise
>Turtonator

in your entire playthrough
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>>30282153
>old Pokemon have 20-50% encounter rate
>most new Pokemon that arent total shitmons are locked behind 1-5% rates
WHATS THE FUCKING POINT
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>>30282153

>Bringing back Amie bonuses

As much as I want to love my Pokemon, I don't want to make a game that's already relatively easy even easier by adding dodge, higher crit chance, sturdy, etc.
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>>30289128
Also Comfey and Passimian/Oranguru, which each have a 5% spawn in the jungle
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>>30289128
Don't forget Stufful
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>>30289128
Komala too

I actually only noticed it spawns on the same route as Pancham when I was halfway through the fourth island
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>>30288518
>learns more physical attack than special attacks

This is only true for TMs and even then it learns EVERY SINGLE TM it needs to have wide ass coverage.

You are an IDIOT
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>>30282652
Not really Azumarril is still one of the more common water types in PvP.
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>Gen 6 games have a bottom screen that can switch between different features (super training, aime, pss)
>Gen 7 has a map

Common sense would be to have both, but no.
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>>30289481
It's because it's also going to be on the Switch, which only has one screen.
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>>30289128

It gets even worse when you consider that most new Pokemon also only appear once or twice. And then there's Pokemon that don't get to evolve until the end of the game.

SM's new to old Pokemon ratio is completely fucked.
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>>30285843
>egg hatching inefficient?

The fuck? This is the most efficient its ever been hatching eggs.

>deposit parents
>enter box 5 steps away from nursery
>ride Tauros for 2 mins
>egg hatches
>nursery girl in plain view so you can collect new eggs as soon as she crosses her arms
>new eggs can be deposited in box or directly replace already hatched offspring in your party as soon as you get them.
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>>30288961
>Even without Pokerus I can completely EV train a Pokemon in under an hour
That's not really an accomplishment when in gen 6 it took about 10 minutes including fly time to EV train a team.
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>>30289579
Keep on telling yourself that.
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>>30289920
It's pretty much gen 2 redux.
Mareanie doesn't make much sense either you would think they would be easier to find than corsola if they're the predators.
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>>30288919
>10% encounter rate
>pain in the ass to find early on
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>>30282153
>not being able to jump
>still can't step over a bush
>can't wade into shallow water still
>making pokemon heads look like they could snap the neck from weight
>what the fuck is this diagonal bullshit, why can't I turn the camera
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>>30290562
adding one last thing

>giving gjinka autists their fantasy of psychologically bonding like a yugioh shadow realm duel
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>>30290211
It's been leaked by a reliable source and tPCi have said they are making a game for the Switch. It's happening.
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>>30290774
>reliable source
Also a TPC announcement could mean Pokken or any other pokemon game.
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>>30290997
>STILL being a denialfag
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>>30290277
Do you know what the actual ratio of predators to prey is in the wild?
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>>30291114
I'll stop denying it when some real proof comes up.
Right now I'm not going to believe a retard like you.
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>>30285820
>Why do physical pokemon get fucked over constantly when it comes to useful moves?

It depends on the type.
Yes, water types have better special moves than physical ones.

But for example fighting types only have like 2 good special moves and one of them is focus miss

Dark types have literally 1 good special offensive move (dark pulse) while they also have things like sucker punch and knock off.

Normal types only have hyper voice, which is good, but return/frustration is stronger (there's also hyper beam but it's shit 99% of the times)
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>>30291145
You do realise they're eating the Corsola ravenously right?
In other words the population of Corsola should be low at the moment until the Mareanie die out to give the Corsola a chance to repopulate so the cycle can begin again.
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>>30282594
Kek.
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>>30286937
festival plaza castle, red shirt guy
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>>30285882
Game Freak: Cucked ya hard, didn't I?
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>>30282594
I fucking do
>mfw I'm a trick room player
>I also love bug types
This has been great for me
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>Ohmori: Ok guise I have the greatest idea for pocket monsters sun and moon!
>GF crew: Tell us, Ohmori-san!
>Ohmori: What if we pick some old pokemon, and create alolan variations from them?
>GF crew: That's a great idea!
>Ohmori: But we only pick pokemon from gen 1, because you know 20th anniversary
>Also I think we should only pick a few pokemon because no one wants to catch more pokemon in a pokemon game, right?
>Also I think we should barely change their stats, or don't change them at all even, so they're not THAT different from the kantoforms
>GF crew: Yes yes yes!!! You're a God, Ohmori-san!
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>>30282153
>Clothing options are just as limited as Gen 6
>No red, orange, or yellow clothing colors
>All the cool unique pokemon are rare and require you to go out of your way to encounter, while the same rats and birds stick around in the wild throughout the game
>Ultra Space only consists of one linear pathway to the Lusamine fight
>You don't fight monster-Lusamine herself and instead fight the exact same team with some stat boosts
>You only fight Guzma 3 times before the game is over, and Plumeria even less
>Team Skull as a whole only served as a red herring to Aether being corrupt, and all they did was take over one town
>Said town is never restored to its former glory, even after disbanding Team Skull
>You can get the Skull tank, but you can't get any other Skull clothes
>Cosmog/Cosmoem learn no moves so you can't just use them in battle instead of the god-awful box legends
>Speaking of bad designs, the vast majority of pokemon introduced this gen
>Making Lusamine, Gladion, and Lillie extremely obviously related by giving them all the same exact hair and eye color with geometric hair styles
>The post-game Ultra Beast missions are just simple fetch quests and just vomit Looker/International Police lore in your face, instead of actually learning about Ultra Beasts/Ultra Space/etc.
>one million hours of cutscenes
>Saying "Kanto is close enough to go to any time!", despite the fact that you can't go to Kanto, which would've made "it all comes together" actually make sense.
>The Battle Tree is just another Battle Chateau with Red/Blue added to the end
>Unlike the end-game areas in both X/Y and OR/AS, the Battle Tree doesn't have an entire town dedicated to end-game stuff, and instead is just a tiny empty corner of a tiny island with barely anything there
>Battle Royale is obnoxious and almost entirely relies on getting lucky and not getting fucked over by the CPUs
>No more ranked Fishing Rods, meaning that 50% of every single fishing spot is Magikarp
And so on.
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>>30286139
The ORAS meta still exists on Smogon.
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>>30286139
The transition from OU in ORAS to SM has actually been very smooth.
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>>30291543
>No red, orange, or yellow clothing colors
Bitch what the fuck are you talking about?
Don't tell me these are Sun exclusive colors.
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>>30292505
Holy fuck, wait a minute.

Do you not have Blue, Navy Blue, and Purple?

Did they REALLY make clothing colors VERSION EXCLUSIVE?
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>>30292641
They did, but there's dye shops in the festival plaza that kinda mitigates it.
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>>30292713
Oh, speaking of bad design decisions, fuck the Festival Plaza.
>DUHH WALK IN A CIRCLE AND TALK TO PEOPLE FOR DAYS AND DAYS ON END
NOBODY LIKED IT WHEN IT WAS IN BLACK/WHITE, WHY WOULD THEY LIKE IT NOW
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>>30282153
>Remove Super Training
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>>30289128
>>Bruxish
>>Togedemaru
>>Dhelmise
Not gonna lie; i had literally forgotten these even existed until just now
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>>30289128
>many of the new mons are hard as fuck to find
>meanwhile Ratticates and Fearows run amuck

This was bothering me so much by the end of the game. Just chasing after certain mons just so I could try out new guys got really annoying.
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>>30282153
>More slow ice types
>When ice has no resistances and tons of weaknesses
>No good uses for hail still
>Meme screens only work on ninetales and isn't worth it for hail alone
When will they fix ice types?
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>pokemon sun and moon
>no solrock or lunatone
>guy in desert even asks for a lunatone
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Really long animations for flight, but the game doesn't actually use this to load the next area.
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>The move reminder is only available once you reach the fucking Elite Four.
Whoever made this decision needs to be fired.
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MOVE RELEARNER IS AT THE END OF THE GAME
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>>30289128
This is easily among my top 5 complaints about this game. You deal with the same old boring shit throughout the game, while the vast majority of new pokemon, all of which have unique or interesting abilities, are hidden in very specific areas with single-digit spawn rates. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? How is this supposed to be fun for anyone playing? Why would you make all of the new, unique, interesting pokemon rare as fuck?
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>>30295371
Holy shit, this. How the fuck do you make a pokemon game based on the sun and the moon without including the sun and moon pokemon? Are the devs just flat-out retarded?
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>>30285843
Hyper training isn't supposed to replace breeding, it's just there for legendaries and shinies and the like.

Both EV training and breeding are more efficient than ever. They doubled power item gains and SOS chains double them again.
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>>30295926
>>30295547
This, plus Lucky Egg at post game.

>having to wait 2 months to put my Shiny Ralts in this shitty game
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>>30297037
>Hyper training isn't supposed to replace breeding, it's just there for legendaries and shinies and the like.

That's dumb then. Again, why bother if this feature is meant to be targeted at 5 pokemon in the game
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>leveling is shit again
>you have a pokedex with a map funcion, but no habitat dex
>no new pc boxes
>more kanto than alola pokemon
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>you have to pay $5 a year to use the national dex

who honestly thought this was a good idea?
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>>30297137
and remember, ONE lucky egg only

chanseys and pelipper doesn't have it this time
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>>30282153
>no espeed on type: null
>no recover on type: null
>no close combat on kommo-o
>no shell smash on kommo-o
>phoremosa's 'amazing' coverage
>no roost on celesteela

WHY THIS
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When will the content updates come out?
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>>30282153
>slow pokemon
>late evolutions for vikavolt/crabominable when they aren't broken to justify this
>salandit has no male counterpart similar to combee and also salazzle's dex entry is dumb
>not enough fire/water/grass types on melemele island.
>most alola forms aren't very good aside from raichu/muk/sandslash/ninetales and maybe exeggutor if you can get past it's ridiculous. alola forms being exclusive to gen 1 pokemon is unneeded pandering don't tell me it's not
>all the gen 7 starters are slow.
>disgusting amount of hype and it was a let down imo.
>guzma being a pawn of lusamine and not having the two groups fight each-other was dumb.

Game Freak needs to go out of business or at least have Pokemon be given to a different dev for experimental games even if the fanbase bitches about change. As far as I am concerned, even if Pokemon will make millions regardless, Game Freak is responsible for keeping this series disgustingly stagnant and for so long. The apologists make this an even worse thing to get across because the fandom is just so indoctrinated at this point.
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>>30297313
kek
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>>30297149
There are like 50 fucking legendaries you stupid twat. And grinding for a perfect IV one was fucking torture, plus injectfags would wreck you anyway.

Furthermore it lets you make your transferred older mons and story mode bros competitively viable. Also you can now have any Hidden Power with perfect IVs, since hyper training doesn't change the initial HP.
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>>30297339
>Gamefreak should go out of business because of my completely subjective grievances

Most Alolan forms are upgrades, actually.
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>>30282153
Entirety of Evelup Isle. No need for words
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>>30295371
Didn't Solrock/Lunatone get stat buffs too?

What the fuck, GF?
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>>30297313
When the switch releases and you buy pokemon stars
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>>30297448
This is the indoctrination that I mentioned in my post. GF apologists are the worst.
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>>30297855
>if you don't agree with my subjective, pedantic complaints you're an pologist
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>>30297944
Give me an actual argument instead of bullshit green-text. Salandit males not evolving but females ones having Salazzle is not subjective. It's a bad design choice. Had you not known this beforehand, you would've wasted your time training a male that cannot evolve. Things like this that GF does is not subjective and if any other developer did it, they would get eaten alive.
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>>30297182
The mongoloids who made this game. Don't be too surprised.
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>>30298153
Salandit males not evolving is not subjective. "Bad design choice" is subjective. As is everything else you said.

>DURR THE STORY DOESN'T PLAY OUT PRECISELY ACCORDING TO MY AUTISTIC HEADCANON THEREFORE IT'S OBJECTIVELY BAD
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>[pokemon] called for help!
>knock out the help
>[pokemon] called for help!
>repeat forever

Trying to catch elekid it called for help no less than 10 times.
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>>30282153

>make it so that you can finally "manipulate" ivs
>but you have to be level 100.
>that wouldn't be a problem, if there was a fast way to get to level 100
>also the means to get the item to "manipulate ivs" are either literal RNG or F2P tier grinding for them

>also make it so that Destiny Knot is only available through battle points or 1% pickup rate.

Its like they want me to PkHex. I'm not gonna even bother with battling outside of Showdown until the next games come out.
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>>30282153
>Could have given Pyroar tons of viable abilities that fit its theme, like Competitive or flash flare
>Gives it moxie and has the second lowest Atk between all moxie users, first being its pre-evo
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>>30286838
this
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>>30292778
>NOBODY LIKED IT WHEN IT WAS IN BLACK/WHITE
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>>30298344
Apply any status to it and they stop calling
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>>30298332
Bad design choices are not subjective because having a majority of one Pokemon being denied an evolution is just bad game design period. Also, I like how you were unable to not use green-text (and a buzzword) in your reply which tells me just how fucking retarded you truly are. I legitimately feel sorry but thanks for the laugh.
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>>30298626
oh shit, really?
I only have stun spore/thunder wave so I was fucked against Elekid either way
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this motherfucker.


only catchable on one tiles in the entire game.
>1% encounter rate(5% if the tile is bubbleing)
>if you do find one, its level ranges from 10 to 43, so there is a good chance it will be to low level to catch up so late in the game.
>cant learn shadow claw by level up but learns shadow ball.
>no physical grass stab until level 59

this thing has been such a chore, but my autistic team building requirements made it the only option to fill out the 6th spot.
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>>30291543

As much as I'd love to shit on you all of those are entirely valid complaints.
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>Water Compaction isn't triggered by rain
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>>30282153

Putting Ice types into the fucking hot springs
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>>30282153

>Celesteela
>Performs photosynthesis
>Shoots fire
>Steel/Flying
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>>30298364
FUCKING THIS

WHY THE FUCK ARE BOTTLE CAPS SO FUCKING RETARDEDLY HARD TO GET? WHY PUT IT IN IF 95% OF PLAYERS ARE GONNA USE IT ONCE THEN QUIT.

You can get this through fishing appearently but I've been fishing all day and got none, grabbing two Dhelmise in the process.

I tried Pokepelago and spent the few days upgrading to get thr route with Bottle Caps on it, then did the route 2 times a day by using beans on them and got none

I tried to do Festival Plaza but that seems like a grindfest for little pay off
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>>30298709
That's the best possible response I could've hoped for.
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>there was never a double battle with guzma and lusamine

Why live?
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>>30298696
I'd also like to add that it's fucking mind-boggling that it's Ghost/Grass and not Ghost/Water. I was genuinely surprised when it wasn't weak to an electric attack when I finally encountered it at the Elite 4.
>Only found by fishing
>Based on a sunken ship
>Lives underwater
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>>30298696
>only catchable on one tiles in the entire game
Holy fuck are you serious?
What was GF doing with these new pokemon? Are they retarded?
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>>30286476
Can't you get Bottle Caps while fishing in Seafolk Village?
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>>30299248

It can only be found extremely rarely by fishing into the spot off the steelix boat.
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>>30299213

Well, it's the spirit of dead seaweed, which is fucking weird as shit, but they get credit for doing something odd.
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>>30297209
>Kommo-o in the battle tree has Shell Smash
What did they mean by this?
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Not really a major complaint, but it's kinda annoying that the Battle Tree is at least 50% preschoolers and little kids.
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why do you want bottle caps it's not fallout

but wait they both take place on earth and most of the new pokemon look like mutants but that's just a theory
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>>30282594

What is trick room, this gen is a goddamn blessing
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>>30298673
I like how you can't actually explain WHY it's "objectively" bad game design.
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>Alolan Marowak
>Doesn't evolve from Cubone until level 28
>Learns signature move at level 27
>Move relearner is not until the end of the game
>Doesn't learn another STAB move until level 53, basically the end of the game, so you're stuck with Flame Charge for pretty much the entire main story
>Doesn't learn Shadow Claw
>Learns Shadow Ball, Flamethrower and Fire Blast but its Sp. Atk is complete ass (50)

How did Game Freak shit the bed this hard?
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