Was a little let down Masked Royal wasn't the Champion.

>>30272906
There wasn't a champion yet so the Masked Royal couldn't assume the title

Will we learn his identity in Stars?

>>30272992
Faller kukui from another dimension. Pretty obvious.

>>30272992
>implying it's a mask

>>30272964

Kukui was the champion. Finish the game.

PORN WHEN

>>30272906
I was surprised as well. Oh the masked man is well known. Clearly he'll be the one I face when I beat the le- NOPE

>>30273032
Kukui was the challenger you dumb fuck. He says so himself when you face off against him

>>30272906
Mexico region confirmed.

>>30273032
Your ass was sitting on the Champion's seat waiting for a challenger.
Kukui walks up to face you.

Doesn't this sound familiar?

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>>30272906
my favorite part was when it's revealed the masked royal is actually your dad

>>30273115

it sounds as familiar as any other trainer you fight after the Elite 4, yes.

>>30273060
And yet he is a 100% scripted battle after the Elite 4. Like every other champion.

>>30273161

Yeah that was kinda shitty. They call you the "champion" but nothing changes with "title defense" and you get business as usual. This is like N all over again.

>>30273060
>>30273115

Are they ignoring how kukui says "you're not the champ just yet?"

>>30273032
Literal Retard. How did you turn on your computer? Did your handler help

>>30273161
Except after you beat the Elite Four the Champion is already waiting in the room to fight you.

Let me break it down so a 5 year old can understand.
>You beat Elite Four first
>Champion chair empty
>Sit on Champion chair to become the first champion like how Blue did in RBY
>Kukui comes to challenge you like how Red challenged Blue in RBY
>"You are challenged by Pokemon Professor Kukui" not "Champion Kukui."
>You ARE the Champion.

>>30273209
And are you ignoring how Kukui CROWNS you as the FIRST EVER Champion of Alola after you beat him? He entered that room as a challenger after you clear the Elite Four. It doesn't matter how fucking autistic some of you dipshits are about the formula, it's still been changed

>>30273241

You can't battle yourself for the Champion spot, dipshit.
Anybody who beats the Elite 4 is a champion class trainer and this is, LIKE EVERY OTHER GAME, a boss battle at the end of the Elite 4.

>>30273250
>beat elite 4 and fight one extra trainer in gens 1-6
Old and boring
>beat elite 4 and fight one extra trainer in gen 7
THE FORMULA CHANGED GUYS

>>30273032
What does Kukui have to do with the masked royale exactly?

>>30273295
>You can't battle yourself for the Champion spot, dipshit.
That's because there was no Champion spot after you beat the Elite Four. So therefore you took the role of Champion by default you fucking retard.

>Anybody who beats the Elite 4 is a champion class trainer and this is, LIKE EVERY OTHER GAME, a boss battle at the end of the Elite 4.
Anyone who beats the Elite Four challenges the Champion for the title. And are you implying that Ghetsis and AZ are Champions because they're a boss battles after the Elite 4?

>>30273358

People were trying to claim you could fight yourself as a champion fight or some shit, rather than Kukui.

He has no relation with the masked guy so I have no idea how it came to this.

>>30273295
>You can't battle yourself for the Champion spot, dipshit.

What fucking point are you even trying to make here? You're just complaining about how the formula itself hasn't changed. Which I get yeah, it's kind of dumb that you still HAVE to beat the E4 just to go back into your own Champion chamber, but it's retarded to say "Kukui was the champ because you fought him last" when you damn well that was wrong

God why do all you autistic retards argue like this? It's like you get one aspect of an argument wrong, so then you'll just jump on anoter completely unrelated one and ride that one until the thread dies. Just stop fucking posting you retard, you're anonymous. No one will know it's you, I promise. Just put on a trip if you're that egotistic

>>30273375
AZ wasn't a champion as you had a proper elite 4+1 battle. Just like N was champion in Black/White, rather than Ghetsis.
He also says yer not champion just yet to back this up.

>>30273332
>implying catching Reshiram/Zekrom and fighting N and Ghetsis in BW after beating the Elite 4 wasn't a formula change.

>>30273414
>God why do all you autistic retards argue like this?

I agree. People have been proven outright wrong, by the actual game and even comments in thread, about "you being the champion" but nobody can accept the formula actually hasn't changed a bit.

I wanted this to happen as much as the next guy but guess what? Didn't happen. You don't even lose your title of you lose "title defense"

>>30273445
>implying any of that was a formula change when the real formula change was Ghetsis after the champion N battle

>>30273332
Well, Blue called himself the champion in Red and Blue, had the champion title in the BW2 tournament, and said he was a champion at one time in SM. If the formula didn't change, who was the fifth person Blue faced prior to you arriving there?

>>30273438
Except Kukui wasn't a champion either. In the most likely scenario he just beat members of the Elite Four right after you did and entered the room as soon as you put your ass on the chair. In that case you're both just challengers to the crown and even then the initial post >>30273032
>Kukui was the champion.
Was fucking wrong. God damn nigger just end this

>>30273438
"Wouldn't it be nice if that was simple" does not equate to "you are not the Champion."

He's implying you'll lose your potential Champion status if he beats you.

And after you beat the Elite 4 in BW, you can straight up leave the Pokemon League and go heal, buy stuff, train. etc. before fighting N and Ghetsis. Would you consider that a proper elite 4+1 battle?

>>30273541
Except it's correct.

You fight the Elite 4 and then have a match to decide who champion is. This goes down exactly like it has in every other game.

He's right, finish the game.

>>30273577
Then you're just arguing over semantics. Kukui faces you as a Challenger not as a Champion. End of story. It doesn't matter if the formula didn't change all that much, what matters is what the game itself tells you.

>>30273554
>And after you beat the Elite 4 in BW, you can straight up leave the Pokemon League and go heal, buy stuff, train. etc. before fighting N and Ghetsis. Would you consider that a proper elite 4+1 battle?

So instead of arguing that this, maybe, broke the formula people are trying to imply that the same old same old of Elite 4+Kukui is somehow changing the formula?

The fuck is wrong with this board?

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>>30272906
FUCK THIS NIGGER
I just got to the Battle Royal for the first time, where he proceeded to force me into a 1v3 with only my Growlithe, which was weak to both Rockruff and Brionne. I had no chance whatsoever.
At least let me switch up my team before initiating a one-pokemon story battle, you dipshit.

>>30273608
Because there's at least two of you autistic dipshits arguing over complete nonsense because you refuse to admit you're wrong about Kukui being the champion when the game itself contradicts this. Seriously. Just stop fucking posting

>>30273603
>my headcanon is what happened end of story

No, what matters is that the formula didn't change at all and you fought the elite 4 and had a champion title match at the end...like every other game.

But I suppose it is the end of the maingame story, yes? Even if you are wrong about the details that much is true. Champion is usually where game ends and postgame begins.

>>30273577
So why does Blue say he was a champion at one time if there were no champions before him and you were the first challenger?

>>30273577
You fight the Elite 4 and then have a match to decide who champion is.

Finish playing FRLG. Blue beat Lance first so he became the champion. It outright says "CHAMPION BLUE would like to battle!"

To compare this to Sun and Moon, the MC is Blue. Kukui is Red.

>>30273632
>refuse to admit you're wrong about Kukui being the champion
That can't be wrong when he is, factually, correct about this. Given he is still taking the shipoting bait and it takes two to tango, but he's in the right here.

>>30273649
So if Lance was the champion, who was the fourth Elite Four member?

>>30273649
>Kukui is Red

You don't play as Kukui, dumbass.

>>30273682
Blue was the first champion of the Kanto region.

>>30273647
Riding the train and grabbing a cup of Coffee at Starbucks does not equate to Riding the train and grabbing a cup of Coffee at McDonalds.

But by your broken logic you're saying the formula didn't change because you still got a cup of coffee.

>>30273696
Are you really this retarded?

Okay here's a better hypothetical scenario your autistic brain can understand.

The Sun/Moon MC is a "Red" that beat Lance before Blue did. Therefore "Red" is the CHAMPION.

>>30273702

Except it does kind of equate to the same thing?
You still took the same means for the same end.

>>30273647
>headcanon
That is literally what it is presented as, in the game itself
> what matters is that the formula didn't change at all and you fought the elite 4 and had a champion title match at the end
Still doesn't change the fact that Kukui challenges you as a challenger and not as an actual Champion. Again you're merely arguing over semantics. The game itself tells you that you Kukui wasn't the champion and if you keep replaying the Elite Four Challenge mode and eventually get to Kukui he says himself that he would rather not be the champ of a League that he created himself. None of the challengers that face you at the end of the Elite Four can be considered Champions simply because they're the last opponents you face. If you want to make this about being disappointed in the game forcing you to clear the E4 as usual and not really changing anything up, that's fine literally no one will object to that I'm sure, but getting this retarded about your stupid point isn't doing yourself any favors. You're just digging yourself deeper into a hole you can't get out of

>>30273748
Except you don't split in two and battle yourself, because much like Red/Blue/Green there is a scripted champion battle at the end.

Just. Like. Always.

>>30273697
But then why does Kukui shake his head and say "if only it were that easy"? You were in the same situation as Blue with there being no other champions before you, which makes Kukui's statement not make any sense.

>>30273752
Fucking WHAT? It sort of being the same thing does not mean it's the same thing you retard. You have to be fucking autistic to say some shit like this

>>30273773
>That is literally what it is presented as, in the game itself

Except where Kukui tells you that you aren't the champion just yet.
Play the game, I will wait for you.

>>30273554

You're arguing with morons who can't stop posting anon. Give it up. I will after this.

>>30273778
In Sun/Moon you're "Red" that beat Lance first. So you're the Champion. Kukui is "Blue" that comes to challenge you for the title. You're the "Red' the Champion fighting "Blue" the Challenger.

Do I have to repeat myself?

>>30273781
Take a class on reading social cues and you'll realize Kukui meant that before you can relax as Champion you'd have to battle him as one last opponents since he's CHALLENGING you for that spot as well. Did you not notice the game screen having you come from the left side (the CHAMPION side) as opposed to right side (the CHALLENGER side) when the camera pans over your heads?

>>30273803
So, tell me, how is being the same make it not the same thing?

I thought you were baited before but this kind of proves it.

>>30273835
>Do I have to repeat myself?

If the player wasn't Red, as usual, they wouldn't be battling the champion in the first place, now would they?

>>30273857
A McDonalds coffee does not taste the same as a Starbucks coffee. They are both shitty tasting granted, but they taste like they're own brand of shit. Just because they are the same thing doesn't mean they are the same TYPE of thing

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>>30273857
I get a cup of Coffee at Starbucks on Monday.
I get a cup of Coffee at McDonalds on Tuesday.

Therefore using your logic, I get a cup of Coffee at Starbucks on Monday and Tuesday?

>>30273888

But there is functionally no difference, which actually does make this an apt choice of words for this silly shit argument.

I don't see how this means the formula changed in anyway, so are you agreeing with me?

>>30273855
I don't usually pay that close into detail with the latter bit of what you said, and what I read into Kukui's statement is that I wouldn't become champion until I beat him, hence the "if only it were that easy" bit.

>>30273909

No it means you get coffee on Monday and Tuesday.
Just like you get a different champion every game, with this one being Kukui.

>>30273925
Christ you're thick. It's obvious he meant it's not just THAT easy being a Champion because you're going to constantly be pestered with people challenging you, Kukui being one of those challengers. It would be stupid as fuck to not expect at least one more battle after you beat the Elite 4. Again you're just whining about them not changing the formula all that much, that doesn't make Kukui the champion simply because he's the last one you battle, so much as Kau, Gladion, Ryuki or whoever the fuck else you face after you keep beating the E4

>>30273888
You have that reversed because they're exactly the same type of thing: shitty coffee.

>>30273997
They don't taste the same though. Good job completely misinterpreting what I said

>>30273993
>Christ you're thick.

Hello pot, my name is kettle.
I mean if a 100% scripted post elite 4 battle that is the same guy every play, who says you aren't the champion just yet, doesn't mean a champion fight then you need to actually play more pokemon games than this one.

>>30274013
Then you should have said that.

>>30274030
>same guy every play
Except it isn't the same guy every play. Looks like you need to keep playing the game

After the battle with the professor during the party I believe and I think several times the player is explicitly identified as alola's FIRST champion.

You were the champion and Kukui was the challenger.

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>>30273951
We've gone in a complete circle.

>>30274049
It's literally the first sentence retard

>>30273993
Uh.... where the heck did I say Kukui was champion? What I'm arguing is that Kukui says you have to have a battle after you beat the Elite Four and win before you are considered champion, which contradicts the situation with Blue where he beat the Elite Four and didn't have to challenge another person to obtain that title. Kukui clearly says "I'm afraid if you want that title, there's one more trainer that you have to beat" and once you obtain that title, you always have that title. Hence Red and Blue both being champions in the tournament in BW2.

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>>30272906
why does he wear the mask?

>>30274050

No it is the same guy every play. Different players don't come up until you rematch the Elite 4, but Kukui? Kukui is always the first champion.

>>30274063
To be fair, yer the only one making a lick of sense anyway.

>>30274138
Except Kukui CAN'T be the first Champion because the game literally calls you the first Champion Alola has had ever after you reach post-game

>>30274163
Except he is the first champion because he is the FIRST THING you fight after the Elite 4, him even saying as such.

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>>30274138
If Kukui was the first Champion, explain this picture.

Checkmate. Get the fuck out you autistic shit.

>>30274173
see
>>30274177

>>30274177

What is to explain here? Are you somehow ignoring the fact that you battled him for the champion throne just like EVERY OTHER pokemon game?
He even said as much. If anything this is the game just contradicting itself, at best. If you don't know what checkmate means, google it first.

>>30274217
>What is to explain here? Are you somehow ignoring the fact that you battled him for the champion throne just like EVERY OTHER pokemon game? He even said as much.

All of this is baseless conjecture.

> If anything this is the game just contradicting itself, at best.

Please provide evidence that the statement above is true. Prove the game is contradicting itself.

>>30274173
Well shit, that's what I get for believing /vp' "leaks."
Does title defense only happen after a second run? I thought you were champion for the first fight but I guess it was wrong.

>>30274260
>All of this is baseless conjecture.
>Now have these facts straight from my ass

>>30274217
>Arguing against photo evidence from the game saying the dev's made a mistake.

What's more likely? The game has a plot hole or your entire Kukui Champion theory is wrong?

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>>30274217
>If anything this is the game just contradicting itself
>I'M NOT WRONG THE GAMES WRONG

We've officially gone off the deep end with this thread. Good luck to everyone else who bothers

>>30274279
I provided photo evidence stating the MC is the first ever Champion of Alola.

Where's your evidence showing that the game contradicts itself? Do you have a screenshot of a letter GF personally sent you apologizing for their mistake?

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>>30274260
Here ya go.

>>30274338
>>30274306
>>30274290

See
>>30274354

>>30274354
Have we gotten to the point where we need translations from different languages trying to interpret what Kukui is saying here? This is like the whole fisaco with Guzma's dad beating his son with Golf Clubs.

>>30274306
Having the last word doesn't make you right.
But you've honestly argued yourself into a hole so I can't say I blame you.

But question: why those pictures in a pokemon thread?

>>30274378

Never calls himself "Champion". Hell someone could easily just say he challenged the elite four at the same time and beat it at the same time. Naturally u cant have two champions so both the challengers battle for it.

>>30274395
Probably.
But I think I missed that one, care to explain while people try to accuse me of Photoshop or some shit?

>>30274354
Oh gee. I wonder. You and Kukui are competing for the Champion title. When you fight Kukui it doesn't say "Champion Kukui."

And where in this photo says that Kukui is the Champion?

It seems like two challengers facing off for the title.

>>30274419

You can back pedal all you want, but the fact of the matter is that at the time of his challenge the protagonist is not the champion. Backpedal all you want, but this is functionally no different than any other pokemon game.

This is the worst thread I've seen in a while, goddamn.

>>30274437
Where in the game does it, before Kukui, say that protag is the champion?
You beat Kukui and become champion...just like every other game. Seriously where are people getting this protag is champion bullshit?

>>30274469
>>30274354
The main reason for this argument was because people kept saying Kukui was the Champion.

So two scenarios are:
MC is the Champion and Kukui is the Challenger
MC and Kukui are both Challengers.

But there's no way in hell that Kukui is the Champion.

>>30274504

Visit the "phox" threads sometime. Furries are the absolute lowest on /vp/

>>30274517
Are you mistaking me for a different anon?

>Kukui is always the first champion.
I was arguing to disprove that statement. I was never saying the MC was the Champion. I'm just saying Kukui couldn't have been the Champion.

>>30274519
No the main for this argument is that people are keep saying that the protagonist is the champion.
Scenario A is outright shotdown, as seen in: >>30274354
Scenario B sounds more logical, but at the end of the day Kukui is still the final hurdle the player faces going into the elite 4/hall of fame and the token champion battle.
You can sugar coat something all you want, but it doesn't change what it actually is.
The autists in this thread just have problems putting this into words, apparently.

>>30274563
And I was never arguing that Kukui was the champion, just that protag wasn't.
Maybe we both have both mistaken each other for different anons?

>>30274217
>contender for champion = champion
you might as well be champion before you even fight him if your retarded logic is what we're going by

>>30274570
>Kukui was the champion. Finish the game.
The entire thread derailed because of that post. But MC being the Champion was shoehorned in midway. Then there are people just trying to disprove Kukui was the Champion.

>>30274469

What? How does MC not being champion automatically make Kukui the current champion?

>>30274604
I don't believe he's the champion, but the game being so contradictory really doesn't help. Combine with the fact that people are claiming the formula "changed" when it didn't, and have a recipe for this fucking disaster of a thread.

>>30274612
>>30274647

How does being a preset battle after the elite 4 NOT make you a champion? Like in every other game?

To summarize.

Kukui could have not been Champion before MC because of >>30274177

Due to >>30274354 MC and Kukui were neither Champions but both Challengers.

>>30274106
For you

>>30274675

Because it's never stated he beat the elite four before you? Hell he shows up after. You don't host a new tournament with a champion already selected for said tournament.

Like everyone else already understands besides you it seems. It's two challengers battling it out. Plus you being crowned first defeats all your arguments.

>>30274746
Him beating the Elite 4 you is moot. He is the last battle after the Elite 4, he is the final battle and functionally the champion.

The only really wrong people are claiming the MC is the champion. If anything, >>30274354
PROVES this. He is the final hurdle like EVERY champion.

>>30274780

Notice how I called both trainers challengers? I didn't state MC was already Champion. I said he crowns you champion (Obviously after you beat him).

The main point is Kukui everyone agrees on IS NOT the first champion or even a champion.

>>30273778
The scripted battle doesn't fucking matter you stupid dumbfuck. Of course they gave you a scripted battle at the end to have a true "last boss" fight. It doesn't mean Kukui was the champion when he clearly wasn't presented as one.

How can people be this retarded

>ITT a retard who doesn't realize the ending of the Alola league is the inverse of the Kanto league where Blue finishes first and Red comes right behind him, but instead of Blue, it's the player, and instead of Red it's Kukui.

>Breeze through Hala's E4 fight
>Rough time with Olivia's E4 fight
>Destroy Accerola's E4 fight
>Literally who flying trainer and her FUCKING SKARMORY STOP USING SPIKES
>Kukui fucking sweeps all but one pokemon with his Primarina
>Win because affection stopped my last pokemon from fainting, allowing me to get the final hit

Trevenant became my favorite party member because of this. I would have lost to Kukui if not for based tree. Kukui was actually a challenge, and I love it. I would've preferred we fought Masked Royal, but he only shows up two times. We never even learned who he was.

>>30274780
There's the flaw in your logic throughout this entire thread.

>It's the Final Boss fight after the Elite 4!
>It's the Champion by default!

No it's not. This correlation you've been trying to state has been broken from the very beginning. The only flaw in here is you refusing to acknowledge that your logic is flawed.

Kukui is a Challenger. Just because he's the Final Boss after the Elite 4 doesn't automatically make him the Champion.

>>30274938
I was saved by mimikyu's disguise against his incineroar. gave me enough time to get some revives out.

>>30274874
>>30274858
>>30274852
>>30274962
>ITT people who have never played pokemon before Sun/Moon

>>30275041

>My mom had 4 kids before me
>All 4 were girls
>I must be a girl no matter what!
>Theres always a concrete pattern that can't ever change just like having water moves always being physical!

>>30275041
Here comes the obligatory strawman.
Everybody duck and cover.

>>30275041
My first video game ever was blue version you cum gargling faggot. I've been playing pokemon for 20 fucking years.

Eat shit.

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>>30275041
Repeat it with me kids!

Correlation does not lead to Causation!

Just because you jacked off to Acerola hentai the past week doesn't mean you'll jack off to Acerola hentai tomorrow!

>>30275041
You don't have to try and save face my friend, just leave in silence, you're anonymous.

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>>30275041
Next you're gonna tell us that the Trials are functionally the Gyms because all the previous games had Gyms.

Just gonna go ahead and throw in this completely useless piece of trivia to break up the shitposting of this thread BUT:

Did you know that every single Ghost rep for various regions E4 have ALL been girls?

>>30275216
All the Fighting E4 members have been boys.

>>30275267
Fighting and Ghost have also been represented the most times in the E4, both having 4 appearance a piece

Its simple really
>You beat the elite 4
>Kukui probably beat the elite 4 or was strong enough to have done so
>You and Kukui battle eachother for the title of Champion

>>30275308
A Fighting rep and a Ghost rep have also been on the same Elite 4 at least 3 times

>>30275216
Aside from Morty, I can't even think of a single important male Ghost trainer.

>>30274177
Why does that only appear AFTER you beat kukui? Because you weren't champ till you beat him.

Doesn't mean he was the champ, but neither were you. You were both in the finals basically.

>>30274217
In other words, it's not champion story wise, but it's champion gameplay wise.

>>30273517
You're fucking retarded

>>30275531
Correct.

Except this Anon >>30273032 kept stating Kukui is the champion.

Then people wrongly said MC was the champion to counter it.

Then the thread turned into shit.