>gets agility So this thing with 1 turn of setup basically

Anything becomes competently dangerous after a speed boost or two, what's your point

>>30271886
if its a psudo it probably doesnt even need to be a rock move to snipe it. were you that ass ravaged from the /v/ thread?

It has to waste a whole turn just to meet expectations.

>>30271907
I'm trying to start an argument

>>30271886
really? running to /vp/ after losing on that thread? still waiting for a reason to use it over galvantula with thunder
and that anon that said he uses it on his team IS an argument because he obviously use it while knowing its nothing great, but you're blinded over your wish of vikabolt being good

>>30271973
but there is no argument to be made. there are better bugs or electric types and its typing isnt enough to make it good.

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>>30271886
It's actually suprisingly good, and immunity to the most common coverage move is always the best, but running agility doesn't really help as that's a turn wasted and allows anything to get a lethal hit in, plus if you're going that route, you can not invest in defenses or even slapping on assault vest to tank a little harder if you want it to actually do anything as 43 speed is JUST ABYSMAL especially with no investments, so it would be just better to go the golisopod method and try to wreck as hard

>>30272018
Depends on what he's using it on. pvp or pve, if its the latter then the argument is irrelevant.

Theres plenty of shit that sucks in main game but is actually good in an actual battle.

>>30271886
ignore him, he didn't even know bug is weak against rock

>>30271886
i cant believe you think /vp/ will even entertain your argument when even /v/ wouldnt have it.

Link to the /v/ thread?

>>30272060

I dunno, while I agree that your methods sound good, his defenses aren't exactly tanky, so I'd say running him with setup and a focus sash or something is better for him. Even the slowest shit will outspeed 130 base speed stuff after an agility.

>>30272082

>>30272090 I'm that anon and I mean in pvp, running discharge/bug buzz/flash cannon/agility on it

>>30271886
I guess it's not awful after an agility boost, given that he barely creeps past Mega Lopunny and Manectric assuming Timid. Then again, getting off that Agility can be very hard with a meager 77/90/75 defensive spread. I feel this guy's only niche is if you really want a Mega Ampharos, but already have your Mega slot filled.

Just give it up and run Raikou anon. You'll still beat the Latis if you run Shadow Ball.

>>30272141
>>>/v/358853561

it was surprisingly and overall positive thread.

>>30272141
this is when he goes full retard
>>>/v/358866726

>>30272163
Why discharge? If you're running agility, I don't get why you'd want the para chance.

>>30272060
>a turn wasted
This is a basic concept, but let's go through it anyways:

Option A:
Don't use Agility; attack immediately: OHKO.
You take damage from one of your opponent's attacks.
+0 Speed

Option B:
Use Agility; outspeed and attack the next turn: OHKO.
You take damage from one of your opponent's attacks.
+2 Speed

And you're telling me you can't find a situation for this? Sure, they could wall you with something and force you out, but competitive Pokemon is literally trying to take out your opponent's main checks to allow your sweeper to come in and finish up the game.

>>30272264
>but competitive Pokemon is literally trying to take out your opponent's main checks to allow your sweeper to come in and finish up the game
I agree with you but this argument will never work on an average player.

>>30271886
The latter.

Do you see people using Mega Ampharos just because it gets Agility? Agility doesn't make it magically good. That forced 1 turn of set up is exactly why it sucks. And it's weak to SR on top of that AND priority still fucks it over (no, Psychic Terrain doesn't save it because it's levitating)

>>30272241
still don't have thunderbolt TM, and like to find all of them without guides, it's a personal autism thing, rushed through the game so now I'm taking my time to collect everything

Sounds like it needs too much support to get off the ground, while also being easy to stop. Plus it's flat-out outclassed by other electrics.

Might be decent in lower tiers though, with less competition.

>>30272386
off topic, but I missed it when Talonflame ran amok, nobody knew Scarf Landorus was a thing, and you were completely free to sweep with Modest Agility Mega Amphy anytime you wanted

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>>30271886
I get agility (or even better, sticky web, lower the whole enemy team speed), gigadrain and a 100% thunder, I am godlike now?

>>30272510
If by "godlike" you mean RU at best, sure.

>>30272422
>Thunderbolt TM
What the fuck?

You realize you can just make him relearn thunderbolt right?

Also just run Thunder, with the SP atk as high as he does and the reliance on agility he can't really afford to run anything without super high base power.

>>30272422
So much for having an argument

>>30272553
thats the joke

>>30271886
>agility
Fucker should have been fast to begin with. Look at the damn thing.
Looks like a jet, moves like a dump truck

>>30272510
>Running Agility on a mon with 110 base speed
?

Also theres a pretty big difference between the two. Vikavolt is an all out sweeper with less weaknesses. This thing is more for utility, can't really kill.

>>30272721
>less weaknesses
???

>>30272585
Heart scales take forever to farm.
Why the fuck would anyone relearn some shit, rather than just search for the TM.
Also why use heartscales for a fucking TM move ever???

>>30272781
>Levitate

>>30272792
Nigger you can buy them in the restaurant on Akala island next to Olvia's shop. Git gud.

>>30272792
Heart Scales can be found in the scare houses on Festival Plaza and shit though, they aren't exactly hard to come by now.

>>30272819
levitate has no effect on rock friend

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>>30271886
>Bug/Electric
>Setup.

>>30272792
>Heart scales take forever to farm.

No they don't, you can essentially buy them for like 500 pokedollars a piece now and you get 4 free ones per day by going on a date with one of the kahunas

>>30272781
>Ground immunity

>>30272792
>Heart scales take forever to farm
You can literally buy 2 at a time for 1000 poke whenever the fuck you want in the second island.

>Why the fuck would anyone relearn some shit, rather than just search for the TM.
Because apparently you're not good at thorough searching and you apparently need it

>Also why use heartscales for a fucking TM move ever???
Just use Thunder.

God I hope you are using an actual EV trained Vikavolt in PVP.

>>30272830
TMs are reusable items that last forever.
Even buying them to use on a TM move is stupid af come on man..

>>30272851
Which is going to crumple to an Earthquake faster? Galvantula or Vikavolt?

It's walled by Lando and Excadrill, and it takes 1/4 damage from Stealth Rocks

That's a fucking death sentence for any Pokemon that has no speed but wants to rise in OU

If you're slow, take more than 1/8th on Stealth Rocks and you're gonna be forced out by the two biggest Rock Setters there are you're fucked. Energy Ball isn't coverage for them and you have to choose between HP Fire or Ice, which ruins you for the other.

You're forced into Mind Gaming a switch in, and if you're Mind Gaming for a switch, why run something that's just INFERIOR for Fresh from the Tap Coco

>>30272851
Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "weakness" but what I meant by that was that less things affect it when compared to galvantula.

The comparison is utter garbage anyway since galvantula has 108 base speed and would never run agility, and can't kill shit with its 97 base sp atk.

>>30271886

This is something that has always bothered me about Pokemon.

The fact that 95% of Pokemon can get one-shot, regardless of them being weak to it or not, just makes competition not fun. Nothing puts a smile on my face more than getting into a grudge match where two Pokemon need to beat the shit out of eachother for half a dozen turns before one finally faints.

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>Mfw I realized Kabutops was an immaculate partner for the Gauss Beetle.
>Mfw I realized Drizzle Pelipper completes the core.
>Mfw Showdown shitters are too busy trying to beat shit that will be banned by Christmas to prepare for Neo Rain teams.
>Mfw literally went up from 1300 to 1600 in the last few hours because of this.

>>30272873
>1000 poke for two
You cannot be fucking serious right now man. Thunderbolt TM isn't even hard to find either.

Just teach it Thunder

>>30272891
well considering im not using either, about the same. a ground immunity doesnt save it from bellow mediocrity

>>30272864
>Because apparently you're not good at thorough searching and you apparently need it
Slow down thats not me, and I didn't know it was one of his lv1 moves

>>30272935
>1000 poke for 2
Still dumb af to waste on a TM move which is my only fucking point.
Please just stop.

>>30272927
It doesn't really get one shot unless its something with an attack as big as a pseudo (I calculated off salamence using outrage specifically), didn't wanna count weaknesses since its obviously not meant to tank those.

Anyway there are ways around it (Focus sash, HP EVs) to let it get its setup but if you're gonna use that then you need to be sure it can finish the game.

Its definitely not of the highest tiers but it doesn't suck with proper team synergy.

>>30272993
you dont have the tm

>>30272891
The ground type against a modest galvantula with gigadrain will, vikavolt also has less movepool than the spider

>>30273023
>>30272957

Vikavolt is what happens when a designer at Gamefreak brags that he can make a Volcarona-tier Bug with 50 less BST.

>>30272944
>Switch to a ground type
>setup

Ground Immunity helps.

>>30273027
>97 base sp atk
I thought galvantula was gonna be awesome too when I first started gen 5

>>30273065
If they wanted to do this they would have given it quiver dance.

>>30273070
then ground type then uses a non-ground move because not everyone is as retarded as me.

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>>30273023
My Lord how dense are you...
So you think buying goddamn heartscales to learn a TM move rather than just get the TM and use all you like, and which will help make teams easier.
You for fucking real?
Please fucking STOP.

>>30273070
>switch to any ground type
>get hit by rockslide
>flinch

>>30273112
m8 not everything that runs earthquake is gonna have a rock move.

Nothing that isn't a fire type will be running a fire move

>>30273103
Would be hilarious if they just said fuck it and gave it speed boost.

>>30273137
Everything that is a ground type will

>>30273103
>Implying Gamefreak actually knows what moves are good.

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>>30273136
What if its a ground type that doesn't carry rock moves.

What if it isn't a ground type

>>30273137
Clefable

Maybe if Baton Passing speed wasn't banned it might be usable.

>>30273125
well youre the retard trying to teach this poor fucking thing thunderbolt in the first place. i dont think you have the mental capacity to find that tm. better off just buying the scale

>>30273179
He said ground type, not ground move

>>30273207
I'm still not even fucking him
S T O P
T
O
P

>>30273204
>smogon

I'm here because I know someone will come up with a good moveset and nature for Vikavolt

>>30273229
Where you playing your singles format, anon?

>>30273159
>Everything that is a ground type will
No

>>30273207
He's not the one looking for the TMs

>>30273223
in some cases getting the heartscale is more trivial then ever getting the tm.

>Charjabug has higher attack
>Vikavolt has massive special attack
What the fuck?
Should I overwrite spark with discharge?
Move Relearner isnt until like postgame right?

>>30273251
Maybe in the game I paid $40 for.

>>30273285
>Playing 3v3
>Against random children

>>30273185
>running anything other than cosmic power/stored power clefable

>>30273260
Yes it will, will either have stealth rock and finish you with its secondary stab move because no one runs a pure ground type or have rockslide to begin with

>>30273305
>Not even playing the game
Pc master race.

>>30273342
Dugtrio

>>30273342
OK so we're only talking about the ground types you wanna talk about.

>Stealth rock boogeyman
Should we talk about all the pokemon with rock weakness that don't suck? Like Charizard?

>>30273407
>Charizard
Man, come on. Charizard is only good because of the megas. It was NU before.

>>30273342
Palossand

>>30273305
And the majority of people that use smogon aren't children that want to play pokemon battles for free like their favourite youtuber does?

>>30273443
>Ghost

>>30273461
You wanted an example of a ground type that won't run a rock move right?

>>30273459
I wouldn't know, senpai. I do know that it's the only place you can play proper 6v6, though.

>>30273495
Look at this loser with no friends.

>>30273495
>proper 6v6
Only if you play by their shitty tier format rules, meaning I can't use aegislash.
Fucking lies. I find better 6v6 on the game itself.

Get back at me once they have a 6v6 rules format at lv 50 cap that bans the same legendaries vgc does.

>>30273529
so youre a basment champ then?

>>30272422
I don't understand why you need it, he automatically learns it as his evolution move

>>30273407
If you want to bring up charizard, you can't even oneshot it with vikabolt's thunderbolt

>>30273529
Even if you do have friends, playing against the same few people over and over gets tiring.

>>30273548
You can currently use Aegislash in OU. Not for long, but go crazy.

>>30273555
>Basement champ
>Friends
Pick one, because you definetly aren't the one with friends.

>>30273561
252- SpA Vikavolt Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard: 330-390 (111.1 - 131.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Its jolly btw

>>30273555
>Basement Champ
>Only PvP is Smogon

>>30273570
I'd rather not. Every time I go there I end up running battlespot singles. OU is not fun after all the bans they made.

>>30273560
I canceled it because I used him to deal with sos pokemon when they started to get annoying

>>30273570
>playing against the same few people

Actually has more interesting results than cookie cutter "OU" teams that have to adhere to restrictions because normal battle rules are too hard for babies.

>>30273615
The megas genius, can't defeat Y
Who uses charizard alone?

>>30273283
Move Relearner is at the Pokemon League. She's in the Center, old lady with a green dress.

>>30273677
>>30273650
People like this are always confusing to me. Their main issue with tiers is always that they want to run an overpowered Ubers team but not deal with other Uber mons.

>>30273677
Smogon is possibly the best team builder and tester there is though.
But that's all.

>>30273685
252- SpA Vikavolt Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-Y: 254-302 (85.5 - 101.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

Jolly again.

Considering megas are banned in VGC now, I guess nobody, but regardless, can still kill it. Either run Modest, Thunder (like you fucking should be), or a held item. Doesn't take much.

>>30271886
Not everything has to be a sweeper. It has solid bulk and defensive typing + levitate and reliable recovery.

>>30273707
>overpowered ubers team
>aegislash
>overpowered
You mean all the mons that aren't overpowered?

Kys

>>30273707
>Ubers
Literally the only pokemon I dislike running into are legendaries with stats above 600.
I will be passed if any alola legendary is put to Uber s besides the mascots.

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>Every pokemon in alola is as slow as the pacing of the game

>>30273745
>It gets roost

This changes everything

>>30273707
Who says I run an overpowered ubers team? Hell, I just fuck around with my friends in battles half the time, I'm currently building a monosteel team. I was arguing against Showdown being the only way to have "proper 6v6" battles.

>>30273794
But the fast ones are hilariously good.
Every fucking one of the faster alolan pokemon will cause some interesting tiering

>>30273744
>Thunder
With that accuracy?

>>30273794
It was the only way to make totem pokemon not all be the same jet speed creatures one after another.

>>30273745
Mediocre bulk and a rock weakness kill any argument of it being defensive.

>>30273913
I guess we better get rid of mandibuzz and zapdos. We can't have things weak to rocks!

So if I run Tapu Lele and want to make the best use of it, my 3 pokemon should probably be Tapu with M-Alakazam and Pheromosa right?

>>30273989
Except they have higher than wet noodle survivability and speed.

>>30273913
Bait the Pokemon with a Rock type move in with Vikavolt, instead of setting up have a counter for it prepared to switch to? If it's a Rock type, you can use Pangoro or any other Fighting type for this easily.

>>30273548
>wanting to see aegislash on almost every single team
>wanting shitty vgc rules that encourage even less variety
lv 50 cap??? For what purpose? There's literally no difference. It only exists so people don't have to grind mons to 100. This is an internet game where grinding doesn't exist

>>30271886
Any porn I draw of this thing will need to showcase that glorious speed Stat.

Well as they say in Gradius, you need to use SPEED UP first

>got female Grubbin

should I call her Lord British?

>>30273771
>stats are the only thing that make a mon broken.
it's okay friend, being autistic isn't that bad

>>30271886
You as surprised as I am to look around and see that there is not a single pokemon this gen that has an ability to start up Trick Room like the terrains and weather conditions?
To top things off, almost everything this gen is in Vikavolt's case where that would be REALLY FUCKING USEFUL.

>>30274327
You say this while nothing with 400 and below stats sits in OU.
I wonder why that is..

+2 timid vikavolt is still outsped by pheromosa, and until beauty bug is banned that's a problem, not to mention pretty much any scarfer currently playing in OU (since they need to be outspeeding pheromosa to be decent)

it's hard walled by alolan marowak which is common as all get out because of the myriad much better electric special sweepers currently in the tier (top kek, whacky waving arms flailing tube tree, porygon-z w/ normalium, etc) that don't need agility to move vaguely fast

it's not awful but it's for sure universally outclassed

>>30274409
and there are also plenty of mons at and above 600 bst that are well below OU. Hell mega mawile is only 480 and it's an uber, same with mega sableye. There's way more to look at than just stats

>>30272900
Hidden power water (^:

>>30274513
252+ SpA Vikavolt Hidden Power Water vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Landorus-Therian: 186-220 (48.8 - 57.7%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO
nice pokemon my dude

>>30274499
Sableye and slow af Mawile as examples.
Holy shit.

>>30274409
we've got azumarill with 420 bst as a pretty big threat in OU. Also regular sableye is viable at 380. Then there's diggersby with 423.

When you start to look instead of just saying shit that sounds correct you realize that bst isn't as important as stat distribution/ability/movepool

>>30274711
and both were considered too good for ou. What the fuck is your point? Try forming a coherent argument this time instead of just saying holy shit

>>30274721
>regular sableye is viable
dude he's fucking bl2, not even close
I mean pokemon below OU aren't hot garbage but you can't cite a pokemon that's a tier and a half down to make your argument here, especially when azu/diggersby both have an ability that doubles one of their stats, it's literally only because their actual stat is higher than their bst that they're decent

not the original dude but christ your argument convinced me that he's right

>>30274416
Pheromosa has plenty of stuff to stop it even without bank mons. Gyarados, Arcanine, Toxapex, Froslass for hail teams, Clefable can eat 2 poison jabs and ohko with moonblast, etc...

>>30271886
It's a slower, less bulky mega ampharos

>>30274499
>Hell mega mawile is only 480 and it's an uber
Because it has an ability that doubles its attack stat. It's a stronger physical attacker than fucking Deoxys-A.
>same with mega sableye
And why do you think that? BST on a mon do matter but it can be shit as long as they have a good ability.

This board really is retarded when it comes to competitive.

>>30274763
Oh you mean their ability means they're more viable than what their bst implies? Wow it's almost like that was my exact argument

>>30274851
Isn't it irrelevant to the main topic though, since Vikavolt's ability is just Levitate?

>>30274831
>>30274851

>>30274768
sure if they have an ability that literally doubles one of their stats lmao

>>30274862
any competitive thread is going to have smogon brought up and any time smogon is brought up people are going to argue about off topic shit. Welcome to /vp/

>>30271886
Currently I run this bad boy in rain with Thunder.
1 auto rain user, and 3 rain dancers with Tapu Koko to really turn it up on stall.

>>30274564
>not using HP Ice

>>30275178
I was replying to the hp water comment

>>30275186
He's obviously new and has no clue how replying works.

>>30274409
Because thats nearing sunkern territory

>>30273204
Welcome to Smogon, where legitimate strategy is frowned upon. They actually wanted to ban Perish Song at one point. PERISH SONG. If you're dumb enough to get trapped by it you deserve to lose.
>This Pokemon is shit because we banned everything that makes it good
Every time.

>>30273204
But can't you batton pass speed if it's the only thing you baton pass?

having to use a turn on setup, and not even gain damage in the process, is a bad sign

it can't get opportunities to setup like something like DD mence does anyway, most opponents will just run it over. QD and DD users can get to its speed (or above) while also doing more damage than it and being dangerous without a boost

agility mega ampharos didn't stick out in gen 6 and the new slow agility tbolt spammer isn't going to stick out either

>>30271886
145 special attack unboosted isn't going to ohko most of the metagame nor 3hko most of the things that actually want to answer it. Especially not when you essentially just give the opponent a free turn to switch to whatever electric check they so please.

Welcome to 7 gens of power creep.

>>30273204
Baton passing speed isn't banned though.

>>30273794
alolan ninetales, riachu, cutiefly and salazzle are all fast with setup sweep moves
the ugly fighting dragon too because it gets ddance

>>30276792
Don't forget Mimikyu and Minior

>>30276813
mimi can usually pull off 2 swordsdances before they even break your sub too

>>30271886
>people forgeting what Z-Agility does

>>30277020
removes the users stat debuffs? Fucking worthless.

>>30272927
The fact that HP make no sense on like 70% of pokemob makes me mad

Golurk has less HP than Igglybuff

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When the fuck does Charjabug evolve, I've kept this nigger around since route 1 and he is level 43 now fuck

>>30276822

Against players that don't expect it maybe. Veterans who are wary of setup opportunities from the get go will make smart switches immediately and stop the sweep instead of floundering around trying to "prevent" a setup that is guaranteed.

>>30277071
location based, vast poni canyon

>>30277071

You're fucked. It evolves when leveled up at the game's equivalent of Victory Road, and you should evolve it before level 31 because it learns Bug Buzz as Vikavolt at 31 and Charjabug learns some other move at 31 that's worse.

You can Google this shit, you're on the internet, Anonymous.

>>30277081
>>30277095
fuck me, I'm boxing this small bus for the time being then

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Legit question.
Been out of the meme 'competitive' crap for a while
Any reason to not keep its speed at the lowest and pull a trick room?
As i see by its ability, this guy its focused more in doubles rather than singles

>>30277316
>Any reason to not keep its speed at the lowest and pull a trick room
you get four turns that are easily stalled out, it can't set it itself.
>this guy its focused more in doubles rather than singles
good observation, you'd be correct. Trick room is even usable there.

>>30271886
It's okay with Agility, but not much better. I'm planning on teaming it up with a Scolipede, passing speed boosts and Iron Defenses to an Assault Vest Vikavolt.
If it gets the chance, Vikavolt tears holes in teams, its only issue is getting those chances.

>>30277396
Then is set.
No reason to fooling myself into trying a flygon 2.0

The best might be try to incorporate it into a doubles trick room team.
But still its moveset is too poor and id rather use cute spider instead. Welp, still its 'usable'

>>30273208
>ground type means ground type pokemon and can't possibly mean ground type move

>>30271886
Why do you need a reason to use it? If you like it use it if not then chose something else? Do you really need the approval of people you don't even know?

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>>30273744
>6.3%

>>30272059
>Golems base speed is 45

SLOW AND STEADY