So, i don't get it Some people say it's 2X in the

>>30264893
look it up on serebii you fun newfriend :3c

>>30264893
Source on 3 hits confirmed? I've seen some people say this, as well as some people saying otherwise, but no one fucking posts any proof, and Serebii/Bulbapedo doesn't mention it.

I don't have Ash-Greninja myself so I can't test it

>>30264943
there is nothing there about how much powerful it gets

>>30265021
i tried it for too much times. 10 times in row it's 3hits.
but it's feel far stronger than 1.33x, so idk about why people keep saying it's 1.33x

can't people data-mine it to know how much?

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>>30265031
http://www.serebii.net/attackdex-sm/watershuriken.shtml

;-;

>>30265118
kind spoonfeeder, i hope you dont let people walk all over you irl

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>>30265118
Well desu i didn't tought it will be there

so it's 1.5x by serebii. why does Showdown say it's 1.33x?

According to the smogon thread, it has 3 hits at 20 power each.

>>30265272
What would they even know? They don't play the games, they just play on the simulator.

>>30265272
i saw it myself, but it feels stronger than 1.33x for sure.

the 3hit is true, idk about the 1.33x.


can it be viable?

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>>30265306

>>30265656
Sorry senpai, didn't mean to hit a nerve.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokemon-sun-moon-battle-mechanics-research.3586701/page-45#post-7101168

Apparently it's sourced from the player's guide (which could be wrong fwif)

>>30265306
are you retarded

So what is the best set for Ash-Greninja? what are good team mates for a team around him?

i want to use it and go IKU Z

>>30265092
>it's feel far stronger than 1.33x
are you taking into account the stat boost that you get from changing form?

>>30266302
Water Shrunken
Dark Pulse
Ice Beam
Grass Knot/Extrasensory

>>30266589
i do, it's still feel stronger than it.

even still, when you actually calc it it's doing bretty gud damage

252 SpA Life Orb Ash-Greninja Water Shuriken (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 81-96 (39.1 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

It's hitting harder than Scizor, almost close to Talonflame (RIP in pieces)

>>30265637
It's absolutely viable since it gets priority and breaks sashes

>>30266775
But what if you need a strong water move before changing forms?

>>30266878
I use the same as him, but hydro pump instead of grass knot

>>30266775
Swap the last slot for Hydro Pump and slap Waterium-Z on it.

Play Iku Z whenever you do use it and are in Battle Bond form

Can you breed Battle Bond Froakies?

>>30267248
Nope, unbreedable.

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>>30267192
>>30267144

desu senpai it can work if you use Greninja for killing stuff that weak to ice/dark/extrasens

Extrasense is gud with life orb for Toxapex
Water Shuriken after battle bond is better than Scizor and hitting hard.

Ash-Greninja is a classic late game cleaner

>use ash greninja in game
>Water Shuriken ALWAYS hit 3 times
>plus Battle Bond gives 30 per hit, instead of 20 per hit
>add STAB
>you have a solid 90-100 power water move that got moved to special move

>>30267340
Isn't it 20 per hit instead of 15?

or did you mean 90bp after STAB

>>30267390

base water shuriken deals 20 per hit, Battle Bond deals 30 per hit.

my mistake, fucked up something while typing

>>30267390
I thought it was a 1.5x boost.

>>30267423
Base Water Shuriken has 15 base.

>>30267487
>>30267390
it's 15+50% for BB
then 50% more for STAB
33ish I think