Now that the dust has settled, can we agree on this? 4 >

>>30170796
5=7>4>6>3>2>1

In terms of today's standards.

4>7>3>1>2>6>5
dubs say it

GS > DP > SM > XY > RS > RB > BW1

>>30170861
Same more or less. This has been one of my absolute favorite entries despite spoilers, leaks and whatnot. I didn't expect to be having this much fun

>>30170796
Decent rating, but I'd put 6 all the way below. 1 and 2 were excellent for their time.

>>30170888

Great list, however....

1>2>7>3>4>6>5

>>30170946
It's not even about "for their time", gens 1 and 2 are useless because FRLG and HGSS exist.

Hell, I don't even want to put them in my ratings.

>>30170796
Flip 4 and 5, I'm sold

>>30171003
>FRLG
Nope

FRLG wasn't a good remake of RB even if Sevii Islands was great. HGSS are great but GSC still convey stuff that it doesn't.

>>30170888
Way to get trips instead, asshole.

Checked, tho.

>>30171028
>FRLG wasn't a good remake of RB

Literally back this retarded statement up right now.

And actually give a healthy list of reasons, not just 1 or 2 nitpicks.

>>30170888
>>30170999
Good numbers but you're wrong.
4>7>2>3>1>5>6

>>30171028
You're an absolute idiot
Next you're going to tell me Super Mario 64 is somehow superior to Super Mario 64 DS. If you're going to be contrarian, put at least a little thought into what you say

>>30171028
what was in GSC that wasn't in HGSS?

>>30171112
He's an idiot but SM64 DS has shit controls compared to the 64 version.

>>30171111

Holy christ what is happening?!?!

FR/LG>HG/SS>SuMo>ORAS>DPP>shit>
everything else

>>30171055
Sure

>didn't carry over mechanics that Kanto was designed around
Rare or otherwise formerly powerful cunts like Dratini, Chansey, Gyarados and Exeggute were actually worth hunting down because of the Special stat or broken mechanics like Wrap. They made Kanto's encounters the same but didn't rebalance the Pokemon to make each catch worthwhile or not.

>graphics
Upgrading to gen 3 graphics made them have to increase the number of tiles in each area, but it also makes Kanto look a lot emptier.

>music
Subjective but I thought FRLG's remixes were utter trash

They should have waited another gen at least for better graphics and physical/special split that could have made more previously good pokemon made shit by special split good again

>>30171126
It has the comfiest graphic style and soundfont, and was designed in a time when GF didn't know if there was going to be another Pokemon or not. Don't get me wrong, HGSS are actually good remakes, but there's some feelings you can't get from it.

>>30171257
This thread is supposed to be objective. You're just being a nostalgic faggot that misses when he was 10 years old.

>>30171280
But those first two points I listed were objective
And are you implying different developmental contexts don't produce different games?

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>>30171280
>This thread is supposed to be objective.

>>30171257
Alola literally does this by having some of their most powerful pokemon have an extremely minuscule chance of being found in the wild. An entry hasn't gotten rarity right since Gen 2 but here we are

>>30170796
>I started playing pokemon from gen 4
kys.

>>30171028
>even if Sevii Islands was great

It wasnt

>>30171320
>Alola literally does this by having some of their most powerful pokemon have an extremely minuscule chance of being found in the wild.

Yes, what about it? I like SM.

>>30171334
Ruby was my first game, m8.

>>30171257
Those are tiny nitpicks though. That in no way makes FRLG a bad remake, because for those few things that you THINK it did wrong, it did MANY things right and much better than the original

5>6>2>4>3>1>7

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>>30170796
I can get behind this.

>people saying gen 5 was the worst

>>30171372
>it did MANY things right and much better than the original

Like?
Updated mechanics that you don't gain access to (thanks for forcing the player to put an Everstone on Golbat to not see a cancelled evo screen every level up) don't count, and like I said, Kanto Pokemon were designed back with Gen 1 mechanics in mind.

And are you implying the Pokemon themselves are a minor part of the game?

>>30171411
There was nothing noteworthy about gen 5. It tried to reboot gen 1. Had some of the worst designs. Graphics sucked. Nothing special.

>4 first
no

but agreed on everything else, i'd say 4 is on par with 7

>>30171418
Numerous bug fixes, better difficulty curve, better graphics, tons of QOL features that didn't exist in Gen 1.

Look, retard. You aren't going to force the meme that RBY is better than FRLG. Just take your shit opinion and put in the trash.

>>30171402
objectively true

>>30170796
4 > 2 > 7 > 3 > 6 > 1 >>>>>>>> 5

>>30171402
it's like you went out of your way to make the most incorrect ranking

>>30171504
you mean the most correct

>>30171524
no i didn't

>>30171530
well you're wrong and I'm right

>>30171481
>bug fixes
How many of these actually affected an average player though?

>better difficulty curve
They're literally the same
>m-movepools!
Reminder that most gen 1 mons had fuckall for learnsets too so it was roughly similar

>better graphics
That make Kanto look like trash

>tons of QOL features that didn't exist in Gen 1
This is a fucking given for a remake. Is a video game an auto 10/10 for responding to a button press?

>heh I can't argue with him better call it a meme
Okay

Reminder that FRLG are inferior as Pokemon games to their originals

2 > 4 > 1 > 5 > powergap > 6 > power gap > 3 > wormhole > 7

>>30171444
Are you forgetting the soundtrack? I'd say that Gen 5 had a pretty amazing soundtrack, and that's something noteworthy. Apart from that, it had one of the best post-games to date, good pacing throughout (at least in the sequel), and plenty of Pokemon that stood out. I know people like to meme and say that all of the Gen 5 Pokemon had terrible designs, but there are some I just can't understand that for, like Hydreigon, Volcarona, Golurk, and Scoliopede. There was also nothing wrong with the graphics considering it took place on the DS.

in 2 weeks all these people who say 7 is so great will say it's worse than XY, believe me

this board fucking love XY when they first came out too, and this game is much worse than XY in every way

>>30171566
>How many of these actually affected an average player though?
Every player. It fixed the broken as fuck critical hit and speed stat.

>They're literally the same
No. Blue has Pokemon ~5-8 levels higher than in RBY, and uses better pokemon overall.

>That make Kanto look like trash
Your shit opinion. Kanto is boring and empty anyways, at least give me some good spritework to look at while traversing it.

>Reminder that FRLG are inferior as Pokemon games to their originals
reminder that literally no one except a few other dumb bumblefucks will actually subscribe to this meme

5>2>7>6>4>1>3

>>30171649
>muh patterns

Keep dreaming, Kalosperm.

Nothing can be worse than Gen 6.

>>30171719
Gen 7 managed to pull it off somehow

>>30171740
kys kalosperm

>>30171686
>fixed the broken as fuck critical hit and speed stat
You mean ruined, it was helpful for gen1 mons like Persian and Scyther, and despite Scyther being as hard to obtain it's been made into a complete shitmon.

>No. Blue has Pokemon ~5-8 levels higher than in RBY, and uses better pokemon overall.
He uses exactly the same Pokemon, and in fact his levels are LOWER. Also they devolved Giovanni's Rhydon into a Rhyhorn for some reason. Sure is more difficult huh

>Your shit opinion. Kanto is boring and empty anyways, at least give me some good spritework to look at while traversing it.
Nah, your shit opinion. RB's overworld aged better than FRLG's. But this is subjective.

Games should be judged by what they bring to the series. So: 3 > 4 > 1 > 5 > 2 > 7 >6

>>30170888
Trips of truth, God tier taste, anon.

5>4>7>3>2>1>6

>>30171775
>it was helpful
It was a bug. Just because you abused it doesn't mean it was good. Kys.

>and in fact his levels are LOWER
Yes, because they actually have good movesets in the remake. In the original they just spammed leer. Don't even get me started on his Exeggutor in RBY. Thank fuck they fixed his team in the remake.

>But this is subjective.
Yes, because that's the only way it can be correct. Objectively, it's not.

>>30170861
Pretty close, but I'd switch 3 and 6.

>>30170888
No dubs to be found, nice shit taste, fag

>>30171640
Only thing I really remember as notable is the people you can talk to to add to the soundtrack, that was nice I guess. Don't remember the actual soundtrack though.

The graphics are different from the other DS games. I kind of find it hard to describe it, like that pseudo-3D approach they had to it, which didn't work at all IMO.

5
1
4
3
2
6

>>30171777
>gen 3

Opinion discarded.

>>30171826
High speed = crits was literally intended and makes sense
They could have given these pokemon something else to use but GF obviously didn't give a fuck

>Yes, because they actually have good movesets in the remake.
Nice goalpost moving
Shame about the movesets but with no way to view move info players would be expected to more or less having similarly shitty movesets , as mentioned above.

Literally my biggest point is the fact that Pokemon power and availability wasn't rebalanced so that the core concept of the series, which is, you know, catching and raising Pokemon, would be done well, and you haven't addressed that.

>>30171874
The graphics weren't all that different from the previous gen, actually. The main difference was that Gen 5 added fully animated sprites and 3D models to the mix. The 3D itself was still newish for Pokemon, so it's not too surprising that it looked strange.

>>30171793
>muh genfive first
>1 and 6 are the last
unovabortion detected, kys

>>30171903
>High speed = crits was literally intended and makes sense
Speed is already an incredibly easy stat. Making crits dependent on it would just mean all mons that don't have high speed are automatic shitmons, which is the exact problem gen 1 had. Imagine if gen 1 had online. It would've been a shitshow.

>Literally my biggest point is the fact that Pokemon power and availability wasn't rebalanced
The overall balance was still better than Gen 1.

Objective ranking coming through
4 > 5 = 7 > 3 > 2 > 1 > 6

>>30170796
Imo
Emerald > B2W2 > HGSS = FrLg > SM = BW > XY > Platinum

GSC and RBY are nice but outdated

>>30171934
>hating someone because they have a different opinion
Anon, do you just so happen to be autistic?

>>30171921
I hated the sprites too.

I still don't particularly like 3D in the new games, just it's consistent so I can deal with it.

2>1>4>5>7>3>6

If you disagree, you are a young person.

>>30171740
(you)

>>30172054
>1 better than anything

I still can't get through the VC release of red. It's so fucking terrible.

>>30171954
http://www.smogon.com/dex/rb/formats/ou/
>Slowbro
>Rhydon
>Golem
>Snorlax
>>>Chansey

Damn these slow mons were sure unusable shitmons

Don't get me wrong, balance overall improved, but it was to the detriment of the high points of gen 1 mons and the process of acquiring them. Gyarados sucked ass in-game, as did half the Safari zone who were supposed to be worth the time spent catching them. A game about finding and raising monsters shouldn't have the ones that take the most effort reward you with subpar shitmons.

I could ignore everything else if they didn't give Gyarados a special-only learnset to use off its great 65 base SPATK, or removed Chansey's 105 special and access to an evolution so it's a passive piece of shit, and so on. Hell, FRLG would have been worthwhile just by letting the player have the crossgen evos, but they didn't want to do that.

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>>30172032
The sprites were probably the least different aspect between Gen 4 and Gen 5, though. Pic related.

>>30171981
I agree for the most part but I would put Platinum above FrLg.

4>3>5>2>7>6>1

POKEMON DIED

3>1>2>6>4>7>5

>>30172121
I personally didn't like DPPt but I also don't think any Pokémon game is actually bad.

>>30170796
4=7>3>6>5>2>1

Not even up for debate, tbqh

>>30172099
not him but you're not convincing anyone that FRLG was worse than RB
not happening

>>30170796
I would say

5>7>4>3>2>1>6

>>30172079
That's because you played FR/LG first.

4=7=3>1>5>2>6

>>30170796
4 > 3 > 2 > 7 > 5 > 1 > 6

5 > 3 > 7 > 4 > 1 > 2 > 6

Not including remakes as part of a gen because that's fucking stupid.

>>30172197
Even if you were right, and you're not, what does that matter? All you're saying is Gen 1 is only good when looked at through nostalgia goggles.

>>30170796
Switch 5 and 4 and it's perfect

>>30172191
What a useful addition to the discussion

>>30172227
Mmm. Maybe 7 over 3. I dunno yet.

>>30172102
Static sprites were fine
I didn't like the animated ones. They were usually just swaying, which is a) pointless and b) didn't look good most of the time because there's only so much movement and antialiasing you can put in a 64x64? sprite.

Also it seems like in battle the sprites were like closer or had thicker borders or something which I also didn't like.

>>30172227
replied to wrong comment. meant the one before you

>>30172273
>thicker borders
and by that i mean more distinct borders

>>30172273
I guess I can understand that, though I've never met anyone who disliked the animated sprites of Gen 5 except you. The sprites themselves are pretty much the same, but in different poses.

>>30170796
>4 as first
Lol

>>30172390
>[your favorite gen] as first

KEK

>>30171112
I agree that the Pokemon remakes were better than their originals but I must respectfully say Super Mario 64 DS wasn't as good as the original. The Nintendo 64 controller was seriously designed around Super Mario 64.

7>5>4>2>3>1>6

>>30171444
Personally, I thought gen 4 had the most bad designs. Don't get me wrong, it had some good ones, like Gallade but overall there were too many useless baby Pokemon and weird ones that nobody touches to this day.

5=7>2>3>1>6=4

4th generation i just really couldnt get into 5th generation was when i truly discovered pokemon battling with friends (i lived in the middle of fucking no where and never had anyone to play against)

>>30171566
Not the other guy, but have you played through gen 1 recently? I played them over the summer again and it's a fucking chore now. I loved them back in their day but they've aged terribly.

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2 (remakes) > 7 > 4 > 1 > 5 > 6 > 3

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SM=BW1/2=GS>RB>RS=Pt>XY

Based purely on how much I enjoyed them back when I played them. I enjoyed all of them.