>comes from the most barebones pokemon game >worse than

>>30139242
Everyone remembers their first.

>>30139242
We'll officially Hilbert/Hilda was Champion but left because N

Because as the only protag to become an NPC, he feels like an extension of ourselves in universe. Besides, he only ever loses to us and since he was us, he just won and lost to himself.

>>30139242
Red is often likened to Ash because of how the anime played out. And because of this people feel linked to him in two separate ways since there were two avenues of getting to know this character, even if one was by proxy.

Also exploring the new world and having adventures therein is a little more exciting than a boilerplate end of the world scenario in an established setting.

Compare for example, The Odyssey to Clash of the Titans. One makes for a more episodic adventure and gives more time to acclimate to the world as a whole than the other.

Not saying one is better than the other, but it will certainly help explain popularity and likability.

>>30139242
>who is unique in the sense that he's the only MC who truly became the champion of his region
what?

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>>30139242
First protag in the series. A lot of series give their first protag top billing, Marth is arguably one of the weakest protags in the Fire Emblem series lore wise, but he gets billing over the others for the same reason.

>>30139617
He means when you rrbattle the league their isn't the old Champion waiting for you but challengers to
Your throne.

>>30139668
what's that gotta do with "truly" being the champ?

Gen VI protag stops a genocidal maniac and becomes an ace detective

>>30139794
>ace detective

Fucking Looker. That piece of shit, lazy, narcissistic dead beat dad.

Fuck him and anyone who thinks he adds anything to the plot.

Anyone who is anyone has a fucking pokemon, but his mong can't get his life together to find a goddamn pidgey. But he wants you to fight his battles that he instigates and then he wants you to look after his adopted orphan after he abandons her.

What a horrible, irredeemable, contemptible bastard.

>>30139731
Because you actual get to do the things a champion is expected to do? Not that hard to understand, dude.

>>30139242
He's still canonically the strongest trainer because GameFreak decides so, how is that so fucking hard to understand?

>>30139898
Its implied his partner died sometime between gen iv and the later games, so its likely that he didn't want to deal with that again.

>>30139242
Because he's the original.

>>30139935
>canonically the strongest trainer
>loses to three of the new protags
How delusional can you get?

>>30139242
I think his older self losing is the biggest blow. He obviously would have more experience than his past self.

>>30140013

Losing to gold is the only real loss. PWT isn't canon and the tree fight was just a test based on Blue's dialogue and the fact that they're far stronger in the actual tree.

>>30139242
He's the first protagonist, so he's a representative of those who started out from the Gen I days. He's a strong trainer in his own right, but the others have accomplished more. Hell, in this game not only are you the Champion (with an active role as Champion at that), but you're also the only person to stop eldritch creatures supposedly capable of mass destruction. You've even gone to their own world and somehow lived. All Red's done is stop a crime gang and that's... pretty much it. Other protagonists have saved the world. But because Red did it first, he's kind of like... the true OG.

>>30139378
Also this. He's representative of the player in some sense, something that hasn't really been touched upon in any game except for maybe B2W2 (where you know HIlda/Hilbert are somewhere out there, and there were plans for a battle with them). So it almost feels like your actions have made an impact in the games. You see Red in Gen II or Gen IV, see his powerful team and you get awed at those high levels, and at his team. Because he's likely using a Pokemon that you used throughout your adventure in Kanto (as he has all the starters and some gift Pokemon), and you feel like, in a sense, that's representative of you.

He might not have accomplished as much as the other protagonists, that much is true. But the fact that he continues to exist outside of a playable role, while also having been a playable character before, means that he represents what the player once was, and perhaps what a lot of players once were: a Pokemon trainer starting out for the first time in Kanto in their first Pokemon game. And considering that the player character in Sun and Moon originate from Kanto, it only makes sense that the two strongest trainers pay a visit to Alola.

>>30140070
>PWT isn't canon
>tree fight was just a test
What? Where are you getting this information from? PWT is in the game which is all it needs to be canon. Even if the tree fight was a test, Red still loses when you fight him "for real", so my point still stands.

>>30140260
that was a really elaborate way to say that people like Red based on nostalgia

>>30139242

nostalgia reasons.

Post-game facilities aren't canon

Gold is still the only protag to canonically beat Red.

Sun might have but the fact that you can choose whether to fight Red or Blue makes it up for debate. All we know is that he beat one of them

>>30140329
I mean

yeah, it's all nostalgia, but man my fingers were like a train riding on train tracks that didn't wanna stop.

>>30140264
Not everything that happens in the game is automatically canon. Red "canonically" has the Mewtwo of the Kanto region, but yet it's still there in GSC/HGSS. The PWT is not canon outside of the literally who Driftveil tournament, and the initial battle tree fight was a test because Red doesn't even use Mega Evolution until you fight him inside the tree.

>>30139242
I guess when you put it that way OP.

>>30140396
>post-game facilities aren't canon
show proof. otherwise, you're pulling things out of your ass
>All we know is that he beat one of them
...meaning that he's still strong enough to beat Red either way

>>30140500
>show proof. otherwise, you're pulling things out of your ass

How about Tate and Liza still being kids in the PWT?

>>30139581
I cant think of a single person who's ever associated Red with Ash or vice-versa outside of Red being Ash's inspiration. Otherwise, no one thinks of them as related characters.

>>30140470
>canonically
OR
he just fought and beat it

>>30140522
That can be explained with the games being within a close time frame to one another.

>>30140470
>but yet it's still there in GSC/HGSS

Just Hg/Ss actually.

>>30140470
Those were different mewtwos

>>30140470
>Red "canonically" has the Mewtwo of the Kanto region

Where and how? What?

>>30140596
Gen 3 and Gen 5 take place years apart.

It isn't canon anon, in almost every case of cross-gen characters showing up their designs change in someways, yet in battle facilities they always look exactly the same. (Another example, Wally and Cynthia being the only tree-exclusive trainers and not having their designs changed while the returning characters who appeared in the story like Grimsley, Colress, Red and Blue all got redesigns)

>>30140531
You don't know many normies, do ya?

>>30139242
>gen 7 protag
>he's the only MC who truly...
SOMEONE IS TRYING TO STEAL LILLIE'S SPOTLIGHT AS THE MAIN CHARACTER AGAIN!

>>30140596

Canonically speaking, its a 3 year gap between gen 1/3 and 2/4, 5 is an unknown gap after 4 but BW2 is two years after that. That's a minimum of 5 years. Even longer if you count Catlyin's visable aging between 4th gen and BW.

>>30140671

Origins I guess.

Why the fuck would EVERY SINGLE gym leader and champion show up to compete in some tiny ass stadium in Unova?

>>30140470
Brandon cannon have Deoxys and Primal Rayquaza
one of them can shit Mewtwo

>>30140724
why would an adult allow their ten year old to explore an entire region on their own

>>30140789
That's a terrible comparison.

If the PWT is canon then its the only case of there ever being such a historical meeting. Why would they do it in some hick town and not a major city or battle frontier

>>30140696
If the Origins canon was true then Red wouldn't have all the starters.

>>30140878

Red filled out the Kanto dex sans Mew in Origins.

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>>30139898
>DP remakes
>Looker is even MORE plot relevant than he was in Plat

>>30140915
How? The starters aren't available in the wild.

>>30140329
Nothing wrong with that. Get over it.

>>30140982
Trading I guess, but it does say that he finished the pokedex.

>>30140982

There was only 4 episodes, maybe he traded for them off screen.

>>30141017
>>30141004
Fair enough.

After all I know I've seen other trainers out there in Kanto with the starters and they had to have gotten them from somewhere.

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>>30140924
>Looker is even MORE plot relevant than he was in Plat

>Which leads to Nanu being added too

>>30140833
It really isn't.

Why was Red standing on mt.silver staring out into nothingness? Because pokemon is a series that focuses more on gameplay than the plot. Most of the story events are just excuses to battle more trainers. There is very little actual thought about story relevance that goes into it.

If we were to try and rationalize for every game, we would have an absurd amount of plot holes. Like, unless you mean to tell me that Lucas and Ethan have never rematched any of the gym leaders because of how far the meet up location actually is, there's really no point to thinking about story connection.

>>30141137
He was training

>>30141179
If he was training, why would he stop at the one place where no pokemon spawns? If he needed a rest, why not just go home to his mother he hasn't seen in 2 years or just stand still in literally any location of the game as to avoid wild pokemon? There is zero story justification for Red going to that specific spot, but he went there anyway because it would be a good place for the player to fight him.

>>30139242
This

>>30141267
Because Red is a high functioning autist

>>30139242
>other protagonists have to do increasingly more Gary Stu/Mary Sue shit just to be half as respected as the guy who simply did the basics
See, the list looks like a pathetic attempt to one-up the original with fantastical accolades. "Well, he beat the mafia. We'll beat the genocidal cult!" And it still fails to impress because no one cares once the novelty shines off. While other protags create legends by doing all sorts of shit, Red has one built around him. He's just a trainer out of be the best, like everyone playing. And he's still at it from Gen II on.

tl;dr Red is still our guy.

>>30141686
This is true.