Power Construct has been banned. http://www.smogon.com/foru

>>30116064
That boy was broken, i'm surprised this is the first ban but it needed to happen
i suspect he will see some play in ubers as he can still setup on some things but with the combined power and bulk of the tier he's no longer unstoppable

>>30116064
>smogon

>>30116064
I laughed because of how stupid is that RestTalk is Zygarde-Complete's best set, but after seeing that it can recover all its HP back and remove any status condition then I saw that we had a monster.

>>30116648
1k arrows was a pretty dumb STAB.

And to think that a week ago we were shitting on it for "LOL ONLY HP BOOST."

He did it guys. Zygarde finally got his time in the spotlight. No more sick days in bed for him.

>>30116064
>List of people that were surprised by this:

Why are smogonfags so butthurt over shit being good yet conztantly shit on things being bad?

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please unban Shadow Tag

>>30117474
The ability to ignore Flying immunity and remove it is a wish any Ground type want, also Grass is the only type besides Flying that resists or is immune to Ground and we all know that very few people use Grass-type Pokémon.

>>30117933
>Spotlight
>Barely made to Ubers
>Will get shat on by Xerneas and MegaRayquaza

>>30118164
Bugs exists too, but I guess they are on the same boat

>>30118169
>Mega Fug in Ubers
>Oh no, it dies to something that's good in a tier, RIP 70% of the Pokemon in any tier

Can you try to sound less like a tryhard?

>>30116064
Damn, it would have been fun to use him in OU where he had a chance. In Ubers it's gonna be hell for him.

>>30118135
>Why are smogonfags so butthurt over shit being good

Because if you actually played competitive Pokemon, or ANY competitive game for that matter, you'd realize how tiring and frankly boring it is to face the same 10% of characters over and over in a game while 90% remain unused.

In a free-for-all metagame the teams rapidly grow to have 2-3 staple Pokemon, with the rest being selected from a pool of 10-15 mons at best. Kinda boring.

>>30118344
I guess i was the only one having fun with power construct vs tapus and ultra beasts. Ban all legendaries and megas they clearly are broken

why does smogon favour stallfags so much?

>>30118578
Zygarde works best on a stall team. You use it as your finisher.

>>30118578
zygarde is a stallmon that is also capable of sweeping the entire tier

>>30118595
>>30118601
You shouldn't have bothered giving him a (You). He's likely a faggot that doesn't know what stall is, and would post about Smogon's "precious HO" as soon as something like Sableye or Aegislash gets banned.

Bullshit. Not even gonna give the meta some time to adapt? Seems a bit premature to ban it after 4 days of OU

>>30118578
Its all about winning. If its to hard to win against its banned.

>>30116064
>leave primal groudon to me

>>30118344
Sounds like that's something Smogonfags has to learn to accept and tolerate, because literally every competitive fighting game ever only sees up to 4 characters used max in a single tournament, and other competitive game genres similarly also has a very low amount of characters used. For example, DotA only see up to 20 characters used in a single tournament, Counter-Strike only see about six guns used, Starcraft pretty much devolves into spam of one or two units, three if you're lucky, etc etc.

That's competitive gaming in a nutshell. You can't ban shit.

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Why was it banned it litterally dies to weavile

>>30118662
but you can ban shit if you arent an official metagame. theres no reason not to

>>30118717
+1 252 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Weavile: 259-306 (92.1 - 108.8%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
Because it can't switch in, retard.

>>30118794
>can't switch in
>points out that there's a 50% chance that Weavile can survive and immediately destroy Zygarde with a single ice shard
Retard.

>>30118717
Coil

>>30118662
Except there's a metagame where nothing is banned except for Funbro. Hell even official formats still carry bans and clauses

>>30118835
>extremespeed

>>30118835
It lives through ice punch, ice shard won't do shit

>>30118277
Zygarde takes too long to set up in ubers. It won't get 3 turns like the majority of OU.

>>30118835
>what is extremespeed

Kys retard

>>30118835
>gets it down to 8% health on the switch
>get zygarde out of there and put in an ice or dark resist
And that's only at +1. Any other boosts and Weavile's dead.

>>30118905
It would probably be more of a general physical wall in Ubers than anything else, I could see a heavier lean on Glare/Toxic sets

>>30118692
have the 3d animated gen 7 models been ripped now?

Where can I find the rest of them?

hopefully showdown can get updated with these

>>30118662
>Dota only sees 20 characters

Wrong.

>>30118692
Nope, Zygarde is still the worst designed legendary with the worst lore, worst abilities, worst backstories, worst anime and worst forms.

Zygarde will also be destroyed by 90% of Ubers anyway.

>>30117989
looking at this thread right now, quite a few on /vp/

>>30118999
(You)

>>30117989
I-I don't understand!? I thought Zygarde was supposed to be the most cucked Pokemon in history? H-how could this have happened. M-muh memes... r-r-R-REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>30119030
there are people on /vp/ who unironically believe this though

>>30118999
worst taste

maybe smogon needs to get good

>>30118999
3/10 bad quality bait
try harder

>>30118835
>literally dies to a single Ice Shard
252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Shard vs. +1 252 HP / 100 Def Zygarde: 172-208 (27 - 32.7%) -- 64.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

>>30118999
Trips of truth
Reminder that useless shit like Reshiram and Palkia is ubers too, Zyshit will make C tier Ubers at best

>>30118662
Both Dota and League have ban phases before a game starts in an actual competitive match. And these games have frequent patches to affect the meta. Smogon's bans have a similar function.

>>30119721
>Primal Groudon counter
>useless

stay mad, antiZygardefag

>>30120121
>Primal Groudon counter
>no way to actually do anything to the Rock Polish Variant
>free switch in and set up for GeoXern
It's useless zycuck

crabominable would have been a fantastic counter

>>30120183
252+ Atk Primal Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 176 Def Zygarde: 202-238 (31.7 - 37.4%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

0+ Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 104 HP / 0 Def Primal Groudon: 144-170 (39.2 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

zygarde can simply resttalk + glare/thousand arrows p groudon until it gets the 3hko while p groudon cannot 3hko in return

>>30120480
>Groudon used Dragon Tail!

>>30118662
>For example, DotA only see up to 20 characters used in a single tournament
And then they release a patch and then a different 20 have their time to shine. Exactly like in Smogon.

>>30119721
Palkia? What? If anything Palkia's been a staple until Xerneas shitted everything up and with Solgaleo being a thing those days might be over as well.

>>30120480
You know what Rock Polish variant is right? It carries SD as well dumbass
Also Zyshit won't last 2 seconds against Xerneas regardless of scarf or geoxern

>>30120584
Palkia is a useless niche meant to revenge kill DD Ray which is not a thing anymore and another thing was to kill Kyogre which is also not a thing anymore due to PDon.

>>30120584
Solga gets dunked on by Goblin though.

>>30120513
>some strategy can defeat x mon
>x confirmed shit XDDDD Zygardefags on suicide watch lol

>>30120822
Its funny because that's the only argument for either side in this thread.

>>30120822
Nice reddit posting style, also zyshit only niche is setting up on a rock setter PDon, and you use that as an excuse for why your underage mecha isnt shit?

>>30118975
The Spanish website PK Paraiso, like XY and ORAS.

>tfw North American calls Mexicans or Taco People to any that talks spanish yet the only page that cares to record the 3DS Pokémon animatio mms s is a Spanish-talking page
>tfw feels good

>>30118635
you say that, but I'm willing to bet you'd be one of the people bitching months down the line about how you see it on every OU team and that it's "OP."

>>30119721
>he thinks Reshiram and Palkia suck

kek

>>30120847
Its funny because vp sucks predicting quality of some pokemon in competitive again and again and again
Power construct Zygarde seemed like useless shit but was proved to be a fucking monster, that's all. It's not another Mega-fug but it's really good.
Feels good be a groundfag

>Getting mad at Smogon banning something that could change there meta game.

Seriously, They hate that. Why i stopped playing, if there is no evolution in the meta game it becomes stale and corrosive.

>implying this wont be good in Ubers
Primal Groudon loses to this thing, and not a lot can say that right now

>>30120996
Go ahead, use your meme bros, i will stick to actually good mons like Ho oh, Xerneas, Hypnogar etc

>>30120629
>Fairy type being able to beat a dragon type

Oh no whatever should I do. Perhaps I should have an entire team of Pokemon instead of just using Zygarde.

>>30121017
I still have my problems with it in ubers. It's a great physical wall, but you won't get the 3 turns you need to set up and kill everything. And a smart player will just get it to 60% and kill it before it transforms to avoid the hassle

>>30116064
>Pheromosia is walled by Toxapex, A-Marowak, Tapu Fini
>Is OHKO'd by anything with priority
>Susceptable to all forms of entry hazards
The roach ain't going nowhere. If Smogon bans Pheromosia it'll just prove how much of a whiny little neck-beard all smogonfags are.

>>30121076
What else does your mecha do besides beating one variant of Pdon? Do tell

>>30121124
I don't know becauae I haven't played any SuMo PvP yet, still just playing the game.

But saying a Pokemon is bad because another Pokemon with a type advantage beats is is moronic.

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>>30121076
>fairy beats dragon
Come again? Outspeeds and OHKO after stealth rocks.

>>30116064
>Power Construct has been banned.

Just a glance at the stats was enough for the ban.

>>30120584
So how's Lunala? Does it get dunked on left and right because of its typing?

>>30121043
> Ho oh,
Sneaky Pebbles say Hi
>Xerneas,
Groudon and Bronzong Say Hi.
>Hypnogar
Literally countered by Rest Talk Zygarde.

GG

>>30121100
Pheromosa threatens their precious stall with its hyper-offense and setup potential, though.

Sorry to ask in this thread but i don't have the game.

Assume i've collected 100 cells.
How does the whole thing work?

>>30121215
Want to try that in an ubers match? Or you ar ejust goign to shitpost about useless crap like Reshiram and Zygarde all day?

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So where are all those
>glorified Sitrus Berry
>worse Zen Mode
>lol Cuckgarde
shitters now?

>>30120584
>If anything Palkia's been a staple until Xerneas shitted everything up
Stop spreading this meme. Palkia was still A+ rank back in XY even with Xerneas everywhere because it was both a great check and a great partner for Kyogre. Primal Groudon is what fucked up Palkia because it took rain away forever.

>>30121218
Stall is actually the one team type Pheromosa is completely countered by. Its.strengths are in flattening offensive teams.

>>30118662
>literally every competitive fighting game ever only sees up to 4 characters used max in a single tournament
t. smashbabby

>>30121218
>What is Toxapex?

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>>30121273
They're ranting about how if it can't singlehandedly sweep whole teams its useless.

>>30121275
>Palkia and Zygarde will be the best of bros

>>30121337
Actual fighting games see most of the characters competitivelyera viable.
>>30121340
If you claim it's a setup sweeper and it can't sweep, it's not a good setup sweeper

>>30121273
I thought everyone was saying it would be AG like MegaFug.

>>30121374
I never said its a setup sweeper you idiot. I dont know how itll play.

>>30121383
When it was first revealed, yes.
But when its stats were revealed, shitposters jumped on it saying it was hot garbage.

>>30121392
>i-i don't know how it'll play
>b-but its good I s-swear!
zycucks everybody.
Still waiting on an ubers match where a zycuck will bring their meme mecha

>>30121392
The consensus was that Zygarde would use coil to set up and sweep with 1k arrow

>all this ubers talk
How are Solgaleo and Lunala?

>>30121218
The cockroach actually fucks up offensive teams better.

>>30118169

>barely

I haven't been playing SM OU, but
from what I've heard zygarde complete has had a more threatening presence than any of the UBs, the tapus, and the mons that got reintroduced to OU from last ten, which is definitely saying something

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>>30121451
Pretty good
solgaleo is a good mix attacker and another Xerneas counter is good

Lunala is lugia but more offensive

>>30121451
Solgaleo busted as fuck tbqhwy

>>30121516
Coincidentally, Lunala fucks up Lugia big time thanks to Moongeist Beam

And also coincidentally, this makes Lunala one of the best answers to Lunala

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>>30118662

>you can't ban shit

yes you can they've been banning shit for years.

>I don't like smogon, so I'm going to construct dumb arguments against them to validate my irrational dislike

>>30121542
>And also coincidentally, this makes Lunala one of the best answers to Lunala
They actually found out yesterday that Moongeist Beam doesn't ignore Shadow Shield for some reason.

>>30121615
moongiest and sunsteel strike are like mold breaker thats why

>>30116064
This was a no brainer. 6 million meme arrows is just too broken.

>it's a "Smogon bans something as a kneejerk reaction without even attempting to allow the formation of a meta and counter meta" episode

>>30121414
>I dont know how it'll play but it'll be bad!
>uses "cuck"

Your a moron

>>30118835
Isn't that guarenteed OHKO with entry hazards, even spikes 1?

>>30121631
/doesn't/ ignore Shadow Shield, anon

>>30118999
Wasted trips.

>Genesect
>Aegislash
>Pheromosa
>Kartana
>Hoopa unbound
>Greninja
These will be banned soon enough, just right now they counter each other so hoopa for example wont go until genesect and pheromosa do

>>30121631
Shadow Shield, Full Metal Body, and Prism Armor ignore Mold Breaker effects.

So Mold Breaker, Teravolt, Turboblaze, Moongeist and Sunsteel don't work on them properly.

>>30121542
What's the best Pokemon to use to counter a Lunala that counters your Lunala?

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>it's a "/vp/ gets flooded with newgenfags who don't understand competitive, and bitch about Smogon bans" episode

>>30121685
Do you want to use your mechshit in ubers match then? Go ahead I'm waiting

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>>30121865
>your a moron
>your
>your

>>30121865
No because I don't play ubers.

You're still an idiot

>>30121972
So you don't know shit about ubers, don't play ubers and tell me that Zygarde is good?
Typical zycuck

>>30121160
>comparing Megafug to anything
Nice argument

>>30122170
You realize that's a standard CB base Ray right? If you don't even know the basic calcs of Xerneas being forced out by Ray, why do you even bother posting?
Are all zygarde defenders that inept in Ubers?

>>30121230
>To get it, you need to collect Zygarde Cells within the Zygarde Cube and take them to the special caravan in Route 16. These cells will depend on what you can do. Until you have collected all the cells, you'll be able to create Zygarde at the Zygarde Restoration Center. This allows for you to put together a Zygarde. If you have 10 cells, it will create a 10% Forme Zygarde, and if you have 50 it will create a 50% Zygarde. These have Aura Break. These Pokémon can then be used to assemble or separate the Zygarde. If you separate Zygarde, the Pokémon will be lost entirely, but can be rebuilt just with different IVs and no EVs. The level increases with the progression in your game.

>After you have collected all 100 cells, you'll be able to combine them more solidly into a Zygarde with the Power Construct ability. This will then allow it to change between 10% and 50% Forme using the Zygarde Cube, and turn into Complete Forme in battle.

>Do note that if you trade away or release any Zygarde created, you will lose the cells forever.

>>30121784
Yveltal, probably.

>>30122204
/vp/ is the same board that cries about Battle tree, that should put things into perspective

>>30121516
Zygarde + Solgaleo confirmed unstoppable duo?

>>30122218
Adding on that 5 of the Zygarde Cells you collect are actually Cores; obtaining them allows you to teach your Zygarde a different move. They are as follows;
>ExtremeSpeed
>Dragon Dance
>Thousand Arrows
>Thousand Waves
>Core Enforcer

>Banning things ever
Jesus fucking Christ smogonfags need to hit gud

>>30122411
>I don't undestand smogon tiers.
If you want to use Zygarde, or any other banned pokemon, you can do so in ubers.

>>30121673
Why are you surprised? Smogon bans things because none of them are actually good enough at the game to realize how to beat them easily

>>30122537
But why ban anything at all? Are they just not good at the game? Are they too stupid to try and come up with ways to beat Pokemon so they ban things because they're retards?

>>30122609
>>30122643
Why don't you go play AG?

>>30122643
xD

>>30122695
They won't they would rather shitpost, if they did they wouldn't have shit talked Smogon after facing Mega Fug + 5 Arceus

>>30122695
Why isn't AG the default is the better question? It's the best thing Smogontards ever did

>>30122643
Yeah, I mean, it's not like GF bans Pokemon from its tournaments, right?

...

>>30122809
That just means Gamefreak doesn't know what they're doing

>>30122800
Be honest, have you actually played AG?

m-maybe he can still break out of BL

>>30121124
>beating one variant

More like every variant that doesn't have phazing

>>30123603
With Thousand Arrows it has a good chance to. It's a Ground move things like Garchomp wish they had.

the real question is, Is it allowed in VGC? The rules I've seen only mention the box legends and Magearnea

>>30116064
>smogon

Who gives a fuck?

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our boy finally got to ubers
i knew he could make it
we're all gonna make it