http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread s/power-construct-zygard

>>30110873

Why is solgaleo's face so shit in comparison?

He can't even smile.

I-I don't understand!? I thought Zygarde was supposed to be the most cucked Pokemon in history? H-how could this have happened. M-muh memes... r-r-R-REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>30110939
Turns out Chansey level HP with actual defenses in both stats is ridiculous as hell.

An Earthquake that nothing is immune to is icing on the cake.

>>30110939
Isn't it fucked in Ubers?

>>30111005
The rest set sets up on def mega groudon reliably
That's dank.

>>30110939
zycuck-cucks BTFO

Can Zygarde 10% be viable yet?

>>30110873
And of course like all good little drones you're going to do whatever Smogon tells you to do.

Cause thinking for yourselves is to hard and scary for you.

>>30111631
BL at worst

>>30110873
>Reshiram tier in Uber
Its still shit

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>>30110873
>smogon
>2016

>>30111651
ok, Verlisify

>>30110873
How can anyone take something that calls itself the "OU Council" seriously?

>>30111764
See how easily the drones get triggered when you criticize their cult fansite?

>>30111720
it's zardX on steroids

>>30111777
Cause Smogon is THE authority on Pokemon didn't you know that?

And why should I listen to some neckbeard over the internet telling me what I can and cannot use in my pokemon game?

protip: I don't

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>didn't get his own game
>too powerful for smogon

when will the cucking end

>>30111894
Continue using him in OU then.

>>30111905
>get well soon zygarde

>>30111905
50% will be a solid OU with Thousand Arrows.

>>30111894
You can use it in your game, just not on their simulator.

>>30111894
You are like the kid who screams "time out" every time he's about to be it in tag. You might "win" once, but the rest of the kids will shun you, you'll become an outcast and loser.

Enjoy getting red in the face whenever someone says "smogon OU" when looking for battles in the wifi thread or whatever.

>>30111939
Is Zygarde VGC-legal?

>>30111005
>>30111038
>Isn't it fucked in Ubers?

>The rest set sets up on def mega groudon reliably
>That's dank.

so, yes.

>>30111894
>>30111950

lmfao, this.

>>30111005
Depends. On one hand it doesn't care about Primal Groudon. On another Xerneas with a fucking free Ancientpower boost on top of Geomancy is running around to completely and utterly cuck dragons.

>>30111894
b-b-but smogon is real and official!
>>30111950
BAAA BAA

So how are smogon rules applied to the online in my 3ds game?

>>30112044
They're not. Enjoy Double Team and Minimize.

>>30112044
They aren't
*reveals 6 Klefkis*
Have fun

>>30112044
They're not. However your stuck with 3v3 singles which are shit.

>>30112037
>le sheep meem
ok Verlisify
you seem overly triggered about how people spend their time on the internet

>>30112044
they aren't. There's no reason to ever use smogon now that vgc has its ruleset built in and there's significantly less autism

>>30112073
So is either playing shitty 3 vs 3 or play 6 vs 6 with smogon rules?

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>>30112095
>less autism
ok, anon, have fun with your "5 pokemon team core" in every tourney

>>30112095
>>30112044
If there's one thing that's clear is that the people who bash on Smogon's metagame clearly don't even care about the games competitively.

You would very, very quickly get sick from chaotic metas where the same 9-10 overpowered Pokemon/strategies get repeated ad nauseam.

>>30112101
Essentially. Smogon is also tier based, so you can play something like NU where shitmons are viable.

Can Pheromosa fuck off now

>>30112164
That's cause the only competitive game that matters is overwatch

>>30110873
FUCKING BAN AEGISLASH ALREADY

GOD I HATE THIS FUCKING THING

>>30112212
Wasn't he unbanned?

Surprised this got cut first instead of Pheromosa or Sword of Skill. What was so broken about Zygarde? I missed the hype

>>30112164
whatever you say cultist

>>30112136
>Using team as example that wasn't even that succesful in worlds.
Just because the copypasted six ruled first half of VGC'16, doesn't mean it ruled the whole season anon.

>>30112136
the fact that vgc just completely banned megastones and everything outside of alola means it will probably end up better than whatever smogon nightmare we get this gen.

>>30112037
>look at me... I am so enlightened and individualistic! I dont follow the fucking stupid rules!
>Except for all those laws I follow, and the rules of the language I speak, and all the social conventions I adhere to, and the way I dress is generic and appropriate, and my entire existence is extremely mundane, normal, and rule abiding
>BUT this guy who plays by a set of rules for a game is a sheep!

grow the fuck up

>>30112228
It's a Blissey with a better typing that can set up and hit back.

>>30112025
You can't use the Ancientpower Boost with Geomancy unless you do the 2-turn Geomancy. If you do a 2-turn Geomancy with Xerneas in the Ubers tier, Xern will not be alive on turn 3 to use an attack.

>>30112228
Read the post

TL;DR absolutely retarded bulk combined with the best Ground STAB in the game and two really good setup moves was broken

The tards who were saying Zygarde-complete would be a shitmon were morons

>>30112251
It's still shit

Zycuck is going to be bottom of the barrel trash in ubers along with Reshiram and Zekrom

>>30112230
>doesn't mean it ruled the whole season
that's right, it was MegaKanga, MegaSalamence and counters party

but sure, anon, it wasn't cancerous. Le Smogon is always worse meem, am i rite?

>>30112237
oh boy, time to have fun with double Tapu + Pheromosa + Aegislash + Minior copypasted teams

>>30110939
>the most cucked Pokemon in history
That's Flygon.

>>30112201
Competitive Overwatch is a bigger joke than competitive Pokemon honestly.

A game where half the cast (of 20 fucking characters no less) never get picked and pretty much 4/6 heroes are established as a non-flexible "core".

Couple that with "exciting" FPS gameplay where you just hide behind gigantic shields and then throw ultis after some spam... what a game man.

>>30110873
So should I put Ice Beam on Mewtwo now?

>>30112281
>>30112251
Ah okay. I read the post but I wasn't really seeing the massive problem. Maybe it's because I'm used to seeing stuff getting banned for offensive reasons (Though that does play a part here). Hopefully Aegislash goes next because it makes the game completely unfun to play

>>30112283
>it's trash in Xerneas and Primal Don: the meta

Who the fuck cares, Uber is a glorified banlist still anyways Mega Fug or not

The fuckwits who were saying it would be BL at best are the ones who deserve to be laughed it

>>30112288
Flygon finally got DD though

Did something actually happen to mega mawile to justify it getting unbanned or are they just fucking retarded?

>supposed to be stronger than Xerneas and Yveltal
>gets completely fucked over by the deer
>also manages to be weaker than the edgebird
loving every laugh

>>30112342
SUMO meta is stall personified and Sucker Punch got nerfed reducing a lot of the power and guessing games Mawile provoked

>>30112366
>>30112342
also Priority as a whole got nerfed thanks to Tapu Lele

>>30112324
Wait, really?

>>30112073
I know 3v3 is shit but I can't tell why, isit becuase it's too HO based

>>30112430
Nobody uses Lele with Spookyswords running around everywhere.

>>30112342
she's here to stay
get out loser

What new pokemon are inevitably getting banned? Toxapex, all the tapus, and pheromosa?

>>30112462
Pheromosa and spooky sword are probably going to be booted. I doubt Toxapex will.

>>30112462
>Toxapex

Will never be banned.

>>30112462
As far as new Pokemon go, probably just Pheromosa.

>>30112449
Not enough of a chance to make up for a bad start.

>>30112462
Hoping that Toxapex gets the boot along with Pheromosa and Aegislash. I'd wait to see the meta stabilize a bit before suspecting Tapus.

At least they didn't bring back down the Deoxys forms again so they'd get banned again in 4 months when everyone realized that these things are still disgustingly broken
>>30112462
I don't see the Tapus getting banned. Suspected, maybe Koko, but not banned. Toxapex's lack of offensive presence means it won't go to Ubers. If Ferrothorn won't go to ubers, neither will Tox

Pheromosa is gonna get quickbanned after Aegislash does

>>30112452
>Spookyswords
It's not even that good. Purple don't realize it yet.

>>30112462
>all the tapus
Lele might be suspected but thats a big ask. None of the others really deserve it even though they're ridiculous to various degrees

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he finally made it bros

our snake finally did it

>>30112452
>nobody
Scarf Lele is an amazing psychic attacker that patches up Pheromosa and any fragile speeder without priority attacker

people just were too caught up in Zygarde-C, now Tapu Lele can shine

>>30112462
>all the tapus
FINI DID NOTHING WRONG

LEAVE HER ALONE

>>30112523
Even though he got no games, he still got his games. Capiche?

>>30112342
It's a new game. A Pokemon's power in the metagame is relative. Everything needs to be re-tested.

If you people don't grasp such basic concepts, why do you even talk about competitive games? This really irks me. So many dumb shitposters here who are out of their league in this thread.

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Pheromosa next week.

>>30112462
Lele is the only Tapu I could see being banned at some point (especially after Sword inevitably gets the boot again, jesus christ not even a week later and the meta already revolves around it again)

Bulu and Koko are both good but not dominant and Fini is just okay (she might be UU honestly)

>>30112589
there's no way Fini is UU, she can't do damage for shit and the UU metagame was based around boosting and sweeping, she will be RU

Tapus are literally genies where as they are really good but not broken.

Only difference is that they are much less cancerous and actually fun to use.

>>30111955
lol

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>>30110873
>banning Zygod
>BEFORE PHEROMOSA

MOTHER GOD SHIT ASS BITCH Smogon can't you do ANYTHING right?

Slutroach is a billion times more cancerous than cuck snek ever was, who gets fucked in the ass by Magerna of all things as well as every single tapu except Koko.

Fuck it. I ain't playing til slutroach is gone

>>30111894
Where you gonna play 6v6 singles then? Certainly not in any official format. It's 4v4 double and 3v3 singles only.

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Now that Zygarde got well, it's time to save Kyurem-B.

>>30112572
How are you guys beating Pheromosa on an offensive level? Is it possible?

>>30112636
Not familiar with the UU meta so I'll take your word for it

A shame because she's actually pretty cute, probably my favourite design of the Tapus

>>30112669
>one less reason to carry z-freeze shock

>>30112636
>Fini's ability prevents her from using Rest

Too bad, a Crocune set with her would have been neat.

>>30110905
He can, he just doesn't.

>>30112718
It can technically work if you pick Telepathy can't it?

>>30112324
>Flygon finally got Double Dicked though
I hope he liked it.

>>30112767
>he

>>30112690
not only is Misty Terrain terribly redundant on its primary effect, the bad stats and the fact that it can't use Scald properly and doesn't have any reliable recovery

it's like GF hates the poor thing

>>30111950
Smogon is literally the kid who makes up bullshit rules for a game that cater to him because he can't handle losing, the fuck are you talking about

>>30112753
right now you can't pick Telepathy because the hidden ability is unreleased

I wait this doesn't become another stupid situation like the Johto beasts getting the Absorbs like Hidden Abilities but never getting released with them and getting shit like Inner Focus later

>>30112857
>right now you can't pick Telepathy because the hidden ability is unreleased

Well fug.

>>30112845
>he can't handle losing
what are you on? are you stupidly retarded?

The reason bans are made is so the singles don't stagnate like they would do under VGC rules

VGC is a more explosive format and yet it's entirely dominated by the same 8-9 mons

You're not even forced to follow Smogon rules unless you specifically go to the simulator and even on the fucking simulator you can play under your precious VGC rules

>>30112845
Smogon only has the presence it does because Gamefreak refuses to support 6v6 singles. If they got their heads out of their asses over it maybe they could decide on some rules.

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six days

>>30112799
>has

>>30112995
>dragon dance

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>>30110905
Solgaleo is cute! CUTE!

>>30112462
G E N E S E C T
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>>30112918
If you ban something, something else is just going to take its place because the banned thing countered it.

They banned something from a metagame the day before the metagame died, for what fucking purpose? They're way too ban happy.

>>30112655
Pheromosa's getting booted the second Aegislash fucks off and it shifts it's cancer into high gear

At that point the only things that can take it are (wait for it) Toxapex, and I guess Skarmory for physical ones

>>30113149
oh boy, I love slippery slopes fallacies

>>30112342
I'm pretty sure most things get unbanned during the start of a gen, the first several weeks are just people throwing shit at walls and seeing what sticks.

In the meantime priority is much less scary with Tapu Lel running around, meaning that M-Mawile's Sucker Punches (which were a big reason as to why it was banned) aren't nearly as scary.

However I fully expect Aegislash to be kicked back to Ubers soon enough. Fuck that thing.

>>30110873
I thought Zygarde was a fad.

Reminded me of Mega Slowbro. Back when that was released, the meta was nothing but Calm Mind sweeps.

Zygarde had plenty of answers, this feels like a kneejerk reaction.

>>30113167
Even Skarm barely handles it.

+1 252 Atk Life Orb Pheromosa High Jump Kick vs. 248 HP / 236+ Def Skarmory: 130-153 (76 - 89.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Sure it OHKOs with Brave Bird in return, but still.

>>30112462
Toxapex will definitely not be banned. It has little offensive prescence at all, less than Ferrothorn. It'll be an OU staple but not banned.

Pheromosa will certainly be banned especially with Lele in the meta.

The Tapus will probably stay in OU, with Fini possibly being UU.

>>30113213
the mofo has Blissey tier HP and survives non-stab Blizzards

sure, there are some counters like faster dragon attackers and fast ice mons, but once the mofo setups a sub and a coil you know it's going to take down something

>>30113175
Yeah I'm sure if Mega-Kangaskhan was still allowed to run around, everyone would still have realized the horrifying, metagame breaking monster that Mega Sableye is.

>>30112918
>VGC is a more explosive format and yet it's entirely dominated by the same 8-9 mons
That's not true at all
2016 was an exceptional year
>b-b-b-but muh worlds 2015 top 8
look at the top 30 from any tournament before that, you'll see decent diversity.
or... any tournament after that in 2015 for that matter. CHALK died as quickly as it rose.

>>30113213
pretty sure zygarde could be fitted to eventually take on its answers if necessary

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>>30113213
It's a Blissey with true bulk instead of just HP and one that can actually hit back.

>>30113323
>VGC
>diversity

>>30113285
I'm sure you dont' understand the nonsense behind your logic and why bans are done

metagames are not static, they evolve. Bans are made to prevent stagnation and overcentralization. Your argument is nonsense because it can be applied to an infinite number of situations

>why clean when the house will get dirty later
>why cut your hair when your hair will grow later anyway

you do shit because it makes situations less uncomfortable and obnoxious

>>30113323
I won't look up, you go and show me the "diversity" that is VGC according to you, because every fucking example of VGC is plagued with the same stagnancy

>>30113358
THANK YOU GENIES

>>30113213
Eh, CroBro didn't have a STAB as ridiculously good as Thousand Arrows.

And that set is pretty much all MegaBro had going for it. Sure the Coil set is probably what got Zygarde banned, but people forget it had shit like Sub/DTail and even just a straight up DD set it could run too and those sets fuck over pretty much everything you can throw at it to counter one of the others; even Toxapex folds to the DD set.

>>30113284
Even most faster Dragons struggle against it.

Like fucking Adamant ZardX 3HKOs the Coil build with Dragon Claw. SPECS Latios 2HKOs with Draco and the SpA drop means you just made it fodder to set up on considering any Zygarde user who knows what they're doing will be mashing Rest the second it's out.

>>30113358
THANK YOU GENIES

>>30113374
>Bans are made to prevent stagnation and overcentralization
that could explain why some of the showdown tiers went to dogshit during oras if they never experienced any bans

>>30113374
They didn't seem to have a problem with sneaky pebbles overcentralizing the metagame

>>30113493
I never said Smogon was perfect, and I see the prevalence of Stealth Rock in the metagame as hipocrisy, but that doesn't mean I will attack strawmans and start to behave like Verlisify Jr.

I still enjoy their tier system for giving a chance to shitty mons that would never get used otherwise

I want a smogon system that also uses the same general ideas as vgc. mega banned alola only

>>30112815
She's like a reverse Heatran. Polar opposite typing. Defog instead of SR. Both have Taunt. Both rely on Leftovers for passive recovery. One spreads status while the other prevents it.

>>30112070
*unsheathes katana*
*cuts down all of the Klefkis in the blink of an eye*
heh...scared now kid?

>>30111005

Counters primal groudon
Might be one of the better megafug checks
Probably counters megasalamance
Can hit ho-oh super effectively
Lugia/shaymin/normalrayquaza/yveltal can get hit by thousand arrows

It pretty much cucks all hyper aggressive mons, you need to be able to do 80% damage to regular zygard to get a 2hko on it.

Strong ice type moves will finish 50% Zygarde pretty easily, however if it makes it to complete form.
d
252 SpA Life Orb Turboblaze Kyurem-W Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Zygarde: 702-827 (110.3 - 130%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Base 170SPA + lifeorb with a 4x super effective stab icebeam is only a solid 1hko, take out the lifeorb it will only have a 6% chance to 1hko

Its gonna have problems with fast taunters, will-o-wisp, strong icebeams before it goes complete, mega gengar and xerneas. It won't be super strong, but damn its gonna slow ubers down.

>>30113570
sounds like it could be a fun tournament

>>30112636
I should start making a booklet of the most retarded posts regarding competitive on /vp/

>>30113642
How would it be a Mega Fug check? If Mega Fug's dancing it's going to obliterate it.

>>30113745
she's unable to do shit in UU, though, she's shitty AF

>>30113758
Coil counters dragon dance.

>>30113745
you would never finish

>>30113758
complete zygarde takes an insane amount of punishment from pretty much everything, in the time it would take for mega rayquaza to set up it would have attacked

>>30113784
>>30113825
That's not how it works though. A check is something that can't afford to take a hit, but can switch in after a kill to force or threaten the offending mon out.

If Rayquaza's already sweeping it's going to plow right through Zygarde and keep going.

>>30113770
She won't leave OU.
Sure she can't spam scald like other water types but her misty terrain can easily become a cornerstone for more offensive teams so they don't fall for status shenanigans.
Right now status spam is fairy weak, it has gotten nerfed, everyone is spamming hard hitting mons or using walls that try to survive and chip back at them but there's nothing that spreads status like mad like Clefable or Slowbro. Fini will likely be to offense what Bulu is to balance she basically pivots into a temporal safeguard that keeps any of your Pokemon from getting burnt or paralyzed.
She has the utility to be OU, the problem is everything else is way more overwhelming right now.

>>30110873
Anyone know if there are any new sticky web users in SM?

>>30111918
Those words mean nothing to me. I battle and I play the game online, I meet people, and we battle and chat about pokemon. There's no autistic neckbeard telling us his "rules" we play however the fuck we want and have fun playing.

>>30111939
Never used it before, wasn't going to start now

>>30111950
Never once had anyone bring up autistic internet rules when I want to battle with them. Not once, ever.
>wifi thread or whatever
I don't play with people from here, ya'll are pokemon fucking perverts, not the kind of people I befriend and battle with.

>>30112661
>log into steam/discord/text friend/call my coworker/ insert other ways at my disposal here
>"hey dude, let's pokemon?"
>"hell yeah"
And 6v6 fun was had by all

>>30113910
Stop replying to retards, you only encourage them

Tbh banning things is autistic in and of itself. Anything Goes should be the default

>>30113837
Zygarde CAN afford to take a hit and switch in though unless mfug runs outrage.
>+1 252+ Atk Mega Rayquaza Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 195-230 (31.4 - 37%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252+ Atk Mega Rayquaza Dragon Ascent vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 234-276 (37.7 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

>>30113910
>y'all perverts
>I'm a normal guy with friends, not like you autists!!!!

if this isn't bait you're officially pathetic and I bet your friends hate you

>>30111955
No, because Game Freak gives no shits about balance. Why do you think Ash-Greninja and all the mythicals are banned?
10% is about on par with your average pseudo-legend. It's hardly overpowered with Aura Break, but they don't care, since it's still a box legend and therefore unbeatable according to them.

>>30113995
Is this assuming Zygarde's already in complete form or not?

>>30113758

No boosts

252+ Atk Mega Rayquaza Dragon Ascent vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 234-276 (36.7 - 43.3%) -- 99.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Rayquaza: 97-115 (27.6 - 32.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO


1 coil vs 1 dragon dance

+1 0 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Rayquaza: 144-171 (41 - 48.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252+ Atk Mega Rayquaza Dragon Ascent vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 234-276 (36.7 - 43.3%) -- 99.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Dragons Ascent lowers defense, so Zygarde wins this one

If Mega fug uses swords dance
+2 252+ Atk Mega Rayquaza Dragon Ascent vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 312-367 (49 - 57.7%) -- 56.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

If we put investment into attack, without any coils, Zygarde can 3hko Megafug, with a coil up he can 2hko megafug. After a Dragons Ascent, thousand arrows has a 12% to ohko, with stealth rocks up its a 1hko.

If we put 100 ev's into zygards defense

+2 252+ Atk Mega Rayquaza Dragon Ascent vs. +1 252 HP / 100 Def Zygarde: 286-337 (44.9 - 52.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Putting the rest into attack, thousand arrow will 1hko after 2 dragons ascents.


Rest/sleeptalk/coil/thousand arrows
252hp/152atk/100def


This requires a bit of set up so its no megafug counter, but its one of the few pokemon that can challenge it.

>>30112284
I must've missed the part where Aegislash was in the Alola Pokedex.

>>30114212
Couldn't it just Outrage if there aren't any other Fairies?

Or maybe it'll run Ice Beam or something stupid like that. It'd be funny to see.

>>30114197
doesn't matter, it can't 1hko 50% under the same circumstances

>>30113855
This. Tapu Fini reminds me of what M-Altaria was in the pre-ORAS meta on smogon when everyone was running M-Salamence and Altaria seemed pretty tame in comparison. A few months later and Altaria became one of the most popular megas in the tier and ended Gen 6 OU as a solid mega.

What nature should Fini be?

>>30114197
ordinary mega fug might not be the thing to use though.
>4 SpA Life Orb Mega Rayquaza Draco Meteor vs. 200 HP / 252+ SpD Zygarde: 455-538 (111.7 - 132.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
you might see mixquazas more often along with rocks and shit on the field to kick out focus sash. I dont know, i think that zygarde's going to be really situational once people learn to play around it

>>30112294
That sounds a hell of a lot like competitive Pokemon, to be honest.
>Megamon and Bravest Birb are the nonflexible core
>Protect, Substitute and switching out for immune/resistant mons are shields
>priority moves, Megas (and this gen, Z-moves) are ultis

>>30114279
Ordinary Z moves suck. Z statuses might be better.

>>30114228

Outrage and ice beam both get the job done, but that makes megafug vulnerable to aegislash if you give up earthquake for either.

>>30114370
I wonder if smogon will unban it.

>>30114399
everyone else has to catch up or rayquaza has to get nerfed

this gen it actually got slightly buffed thanks to the change in mega mechanics regarding speed

>>30112095
>now that vgc has its ruleset built in

Well if you want to play singles and perhaps use some lower tier Pokemon you like in an enviroment more conductive to them.

I may not find all of Smogons ban decisions agreeable but I do like the core idea of having multiple tiers to play in so that if you want to use a Pokemon there's a place to use them.

>>30112095
The big problem with vgc is just that there isn't enough interest or usable resources compared with smogon

>>30114399

They should at least play test it, z-crystals might be able to wreck megarayray regardless and you can't mega evolve and have a z-move.

If Rayquaza has to give up his perfect coverage swords dance to counter Zygard, then he suddenly stops not having any counters and pokemon can wall him. He will become predictable.

>>30114641
Why would Rayquaza counter Zygarde? That's probably what Geomancy Xerneas is for. If Zygarde doesn't get to perfect form it's not quite as hard to deal with either, yes?

>>30111905
get well soon zygarde

>>30114682

Yeah its problems are

>Its gonna have problems with fast taunters, will-o-wisp, strong icebeams before it goes complete, mega gengar and xerneas.


Doing some quick damage calc

+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Aura Break Zygarde: 384-452 (60.3 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

2hko's but zygard gets to fire back twice with thousand arrows, softening Xerneas

Mega rayquaza doesn't have to counter zygard, it just means that if mega rayquaza has to face Zygard complete, Zygard can beat out the typical SD/DD sets

How's Mega Beedrill

>>30115027

>beedrillite hasn't been released yet

outs probably gonna be 2stronk4ou

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>>30112342
>I cant believe those scrubs banned mega-mawile, git gud
>I can't believe those retards unbanned mega-mawile

>>30115121
From Smogon:
>Turn order has changed to reflect a Pokemon's ability/Speed after it Mega Evolves, Prankster will now be active immediately after mega evolving and give priority to moves. Changes to a Pokemon's Speed will be reflected on the turn it mega evolves making it move before or after the opposing Pokemon depending on its new Speed stat. Does not affect the Speed of other Pokemon on the field, ex: if rain is up and Charizard mega evolves into Mega Charizard-Y and Drought activates Swift Swimmers still have the boost. (OmegaDonut)

As a result, mega mawile can no longer take advantage of a higher speed stat during it's first turn. That huge bite of hp it would get before is no longer as likely, so it's far easier to counter now, since it will eat a hit upon changing.

>>30115271
>As a result, mega mawile can no longer take advantage of a higher speed stat during it's first turn.
Mawile doesn't lose speed, genius

>>30113149
Smogon holds tourneys for older metas.

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>Zygarde can't do anything to unaware Pyukumuku, getting destroyed by toxic or counter
>Killed by any ice beam, can't do massive damage after only one coil/DD
>Easily phazed
>Instead of people just running Unaware walls or actually finding a use for bulky ice types like Avalugg, just ban it instead
Maybe it's just the way I build my teams, but I've never lost a single pokemon to Zygarde this gen.

>>30110873
>Choice Band Genesect U-turn
>Life Orb Tapu Koko Hidden Power Ice
>0 SpA Clefable Moonblast
Really?

>>30110873
>Temporarily forme.
>Gets awesome new move Core Enforcer.
>Only viable set is a physical set with Coil and Thousand Arrows.
It's still cucked.

>smogon still hasn't banned all legendaries and legendary trio style pokemon into ubers

Until the genies, UB's and Tapu's are in ubers, or some kind of BL tier between ubers and OU then I will never see smogon as a competitive format worth a damn.

Zy is still not banned in showdown and people are using it twice as much

>>30115530
>I've never had a problem with it argument
t. sub 1200 shitter

>>30115933
>le ELO argument
t. sub 1000 shitter

>>30115945
post your account and replays

oh right, you won't. because you are a fucking shitter

>>30115993
>le ELO argument
t. sub 1000 shitter

>>30110873
sash + counter is the only way to play

>>30115993
>>30115933
>"There are lots of common things which can shut down Zygarde"
>HUH? WHAT'S YOUR ELO? I BET YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A HIGH ELO
>Actually, that's not an argument
>OH YEAH? WHAT'S YOUR ELO THEN POST YOUR REPLAYS SO I CAN SEE YOUR ELO
We can smell your BO from here. Go outside.

>>30115271
What the monkey loving nigger fuck is this post? That's not how Mega Mawile works at all.

It switches into something it can force out with the help of Intimidate and then mega evolves and sets up a SD or a sub on the switch. Lele is a mild inconvenience because it gets absolutely btfo by Mawile's stabs and nothing that synergizes with Lele wants to come in on said stabs.

Expect it to partner with the likes of Fini and Volcanion as the checks to Mawile that don't get fucked up by Volcanion get bodied by Fini. Fini in turn helps ease burn pressure.

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Will Shadow Tag ever be unbanned?

>>30116070
>"There are lots of common things which can shut down Zygarde"
The only people who say this are shitters who have no clue that it can run different sets and easily bypass those with little team support.

But yes, please tell me how to play Pokemon with your vast experience against redditors with ingame teams that forget to put in their EVs.

>>30112718
Come to think of it cm fini would be a decent crocune counter, it blocks rest and can't be scald burned. I dunno if it'll drop to uu though, depends on what gets banned from ou i guess.

>>30116490
I hope so. Muh gen 5 waifu.

so is he good enough for vgc (assuming he isn't banned from there)?

>>30110905
Solgaleo is a serious-natured Pokemon

>>30115530
zygarde was never intended to be used in actual competitive environments by game freak. it's banned in vgc and not allowed on battle spot. so i don't really see why it matters if smogon don't want to pander their metagame to it, game freak doesn't want it in theirs either. stop trying to be "cool" and kick back at smogon whenever you get chance, sometimes their decisions are perfectly ok like this one.

>>30116692
He is banned.

>>30116510
>This unnecessary anger
Wash those armpits, bro.
Things can run different sets. News at 11. Zygarde can't really do much against Unaware walls outside of Dragon Tail, which can be pp stalled because it's weak, and toxic, which means it has to forego something else. There are other ways to deal with it as well.
>>30117107
Cool projection. Disagreeing with a bad decision (based off of experience) doesn't mean you need to get triggered.

smogon is for sweaty nerds.. who cares what pokemon you use it's just a game

>>30112462
Get Genesect outta here, they give that shit a chance on every early meta and it always ends up banned, Aegislash will be the last one to go.

When will stall die?

>>30117167
>muh projecting
>muh triggered

retard. and i don't think you know what projecting is. projecting is what you're doing to everyone by saying they have BO or need to wash their armpits.

>>30114218
Little late but it is. It is actually catchable tomorrow.

Don't wanna deal with a constant stall meta, so fuck OU. How's the UU meta?

>>30117316
Are you still angry? You need to seriously take a break.

>>30117327
There is no UU meta.

>>30117334
time for ubers then

>I want to play basketball
>I want to be able to us a gun to shoot people on the opposing team when they have the ball
>What I can't do that? These rules are stupid

>>30117329
see you're projecting again. and good to know you're completely ignoring the fact that it's banned in every way in the actual game and instead want to focus on "u mad", "projecting", "triggered". you're just showing that you're incredibly dumb.

>>30117348
Are you still angry? You need to seriously take a break.

>>30117354
maybe you should go wash your armpits instead of shitposting we can smell you from here :^)

>>30117370
Are you still angry? You need to seriously take a break.

>>30117374
keep going anon. you're only making yourself look stupid by having nothing of worth to say yet continuing to post. repeating the same line over and over again is literally how 11 year olds argue.

>>30117414
Are you still angry? You need to seriously take a break.

>>30115917
Its ur final moments to play with something broken. So you might as well enjoy it while it lasts.

>>30117327
>>30117341
Or stop playing Smogon

Why doesn't someone else make their own simulator? Someone needs to stand up and fight back against them.

>>30117417
you seem upset

>>30115530
>Instead of people just running Unaware walls or actually finding a use for bulky ice types like Avalugg, just ban it instead
Its not as if Zygarde couldn't run a bluff Restalk set with Thousand Waves instead of Sleep Talk, or bluff Dragon Tail with Toxic. It has options to deal with such things as Unaware if it really became a problem

>>30117497
If you're running an unaware mon, you probably have some way to deal with status. DDance sets probably won't run dragon tail, while coil sets can be outsped by all sorts of things (95 base speed) which carry an ice move (e.g. Z-Conversion Porygon Z, which I expect to be a common late-game sweeper)
Zygarde can be a big threat, and it has just enough versatility that you need to feel out its set, but I feel like it's too soon to banish it to ubers - base 100 attack is a big problem, no matter how good Thousand Arrows is, and it relies on Rest for recovery.

>>30117462
>Someone needs to stand up and fight back against them
Why?

>>30115933
>>30115993

Why is nobody talking about the fact that these both have the same post number?
FUCKING BLACK MAGIC

>>30117650
woah what how?

>>30117325
Island scan mons aren't legal retard

>>30117650
>933
>993
>same number

learn2read pls

>>30113242
why do you niggers always add in a +1 to calcs? It's like you want to come across as an idiot?

>>30117963
Not OP but in this case probably because of Beast Boost.
If Skarmory is coming in it means:
A) it's a hard switch, meaning it'll have to take two HJKs since it has ass speed or
B) it's getting sent in after the last pokemon got KO'd, which means Pheremosa now has +1 attack because of beast boost.

The only other situation is when they're both out as leads which is rare and unlikely

>>30113910
>I don't play with people from here, ya'll are pokemon fucking perverts, not the kind of people I befriend and battle with.
>I'm a better than everyone here
Ewww, Anon is a cunt!

>>30117845
Fuck you, cuck. 4Chan must've been bugging out because they were the same. Looks like it's been fixed. Please STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.

>>30112462
Koko is the only one that I can see getting the boot. The other three are pretty manageable.

>>30118161
At least we can read fag.

>>30118161
Do you have a screen shot as proof or are you just making shit up to defend the fact that you can't read.

>>30113493
Sneaky pebbles is there to prevent stall from being too strong

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WHY WASN'T MEGA LUCARIO UNBANNED

>>30118329
Too overpowered even without priority.

>>30118329
>>30118345
Someone post this image mega Lucario depicted as Terrakion, Starmie, and Keldeo. You know the one.

>>30118236
We can't all be the kind of autistic faggot who takes a screenshot every time something happens. I guess somebody's gotta pump content into /r/mildlyinteresting though.

It happened. I don't give a shit if some random cuck believes me. Fuck you.

>>30118329
If it's gonna get unbanned it won't be for a while yet. Wait until the meta forms :)

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>>30118475
i was gonna oblige, but it seems I don't have it saved anymore.

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>>30118475
>>30118329
Here you go dude

>>30118542
thanks

>>30112676
Alolan Marowak.

>>30118143
Nobody plays it +atk anon

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>>30110873
>Smogon
Who cares except for autists?

>>30119193
Where do you think you are?

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>>30118542
Do one for Zygarde!

>>30111651
What's wrong with people using rules they think are fair? You can still play under the rules you like and just let others do what they want.

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>smogon thinks to ban Aegislash and Greninja again
Fucking hell with this bullshit. Grennja never should have banned in the first place, and not the sword too.

>hurr over-centralized

for fuck sake Lando-T is fucking at 40% use since BW2, isn't it LITERALLY over-centralized as fuck?
>Greninja
Shouldn't have banned in the first place, and i hope they will tier A-Greninja as alt-form so it could be used if they decided to go full retard.

Toxapex should get banned, but it will never be because it's the same shit as the stupid pink blobs: smogon like stallfags. Even their fucking ruleset about bans for defensive say it's supposed to get banned (blobs and toxapex) because it's block too much pokemons (all special attacks for the blobs, lots of other for toxapex which is better ferro with actuall recovery)

it's a shame that Zyg-C got quickbanned that fast, but since the leak i told how Thousand arrows an the sheer bulk will make it too much for OU.

50% Zyg will be good in OU as Dragondancer with T-A at least. same for 10%, pretty much better Flygon kek

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>all those UB and speedy shit everywhere
>S.Def talonflame could have deal with so much shit there

I miss Talonflame. this guy was right after all

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>>30112995
COCONUT GUN

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>>30120484
If you know the words you need to shoot yourself (in spurts)

>>30112288
>It got DD
That's Milotic.

>>30120338
Because they either are upset about smogon's treatment of a specific pokemon or they are shitposting in the hopes of getting some (You)s. Either way don't give that idiot the time of day.

I run mono-poison and this thing was the bane of my existence. The only thing I could do against it was burn it and send out a physical wall to try to wear it down.

>>30113493
I will never understand people's overwhelming hard-on for stealth rocks. They are good. They are not nearly as good as they were in their introductory gen. No one with a brain loses games to stealth rocks. They are not nor have they ever been meta centralizing.

The only reason things ever get banned is because people can't git gud enough to beat them and refuse to admit that fact

When will we get the ruleset that everyone really wants

route 1 pokemon only

>>30120451
Toxapex is in no way broken, and certainly not more deserving of a ban than goddamn Aegislash.

>>30120451
Being common on teams and being overcentralizing aren't the same things.

>>30120998
It's literally the same thing, because you need to check it out if it's literally everywhere.

it's over 40%? it's literally the fucking meta.

>>30120963
It's a better ferro, it cuck block so much things and as they fucking say:
Defensive Characteristic
>A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it is able to wall and stall out a significant portion of the metagame.

on this kind of bullshit the pink blobs should get banned too, because >special attacks

>>30121073
>Wanting things to get banned
You're just bad at the game

>>30120451
> they will tier A-Greninja as alt-form so it could be used

There's been talk about just banning Protean IIRC, same way Power Construct was banned
instead of Zygarde as a whole

And I disagree that ORAS Greninja didn't deserve a ban, in XY it was still really good, but fine because bulky Fairies like Azumarill could check it 99% of the time, but then ORAS gave it Gunk Shot and it's movepool promptly went full retard and nuked Fairies off the face of the earth, so bye bye any reliable switch-in

Sure HO teams could beat it with priority or Stall by outlasting Life Orb (if it is Life Orb), but it pretty much Solo'd Balance and didn't do too badly against the other two with a bit of prediction

I agree Lando-T is cancer though

>>30119193
Who's on /vp/ except for autists?

>>30110873

I knew it was going to get banned, but I was expecting Aegislash to kick the curb before it.

>>30111005

Who gives a shit if it is.? Ubers is a ban list first and a tier second.

Also Complete absolutely fucks Ho-oh, literally doesn't give a shit about Giratina, some sets can easily set up on P-Don and can hold it's own against Megamence.

It's not the AG monster that everyone was predicting, but it's hella viable in Ubers.

>>30110873
who would have guessed that 95% of pokemon players don't understand how bulky a pokemon is based on stats.

>>30112439

Yeah but it doesn't matter because Zygarde 10% is a faster and stronger DDer, as well has having (good) priority.

Flygon still cucked. Shoulda given it QD instead, at least it would undisputed the best QDer in the game.

>>30122904
the best way to use a flygon is to Not dragon dance turn 1. People don't know if you are scarfed or not.

That will be the key. Unless you are an idiot and give it lefties.

>>30119193
>VGCucks

>>30122953
>implying people that shitpost about smogon actually play any form of competetive

>>30112342

Only things that have a Super Majority or an Unanimous Ban in the previous Generation stay banned in the next Generation.

Since Power Construct was unamimously banned starting today, whenever Gen 8 comes out, it will at the start stay banned.

>>30112342
Toxapex Happened.

Remember when people said stall was dead. Bless you gamefreak. Finally a singles metagame that isn't offense cancer.

>>30117327

Hopefully Weather Wars 2.0 if they don't pussy out and ban Auto-Weather again.


Gigalith, Pelipper, Torkoal and Alolan Ninetails all fighting each other to see what the best weather is would be glorious.

>>30117462

Because people don't want to. Smogon is a community made up of multiple individuals. As much as /vp/ likes to parrot, Smogon isn't just one entity telling you "this pokemon is broken" or "your bromon is shit" The people banning and dictating tiers are people who, unlike /vp/ are actually good at the game.

>>30111905
I don't even care if we get a new game out of this, I just want zygarde to get well soon.

>>30112729

He physically can't emote with anything other than a roar anon.

>>30112073
>They're not. However your stuck with 3v3 singles which is the best metagame of all time.

I agree, anon.

>>30111905
get well soon, zygarde

>>30111905
get well soon zygarde

>>30113358
THANK YOU GENIES

>>30112239
Lmao @ you comparing the law with smog on. Get a grip, bitch

>>30111905
Get well soon, Zygarde

>>30113358
>Run this genie lead in Smogon Doubles
>Get top 20 in less than a day.
THANK YOU GENIES
Sadly VGC is too different for a fast taunt/twave spamming lead + fast intimidate rocks spammer nowadays.