Why do they fail to acknowledge that Kanto has a legendary FEMALE

>>30079990
Because their a bunch of sexist bastards

Because she doesn't exist

>>30079990
No corresponding SC character.

N O N C A N O N

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>>30079990
is this the oc thread?

ABSOLUTELY
NON-CANON

>>30079990
canon: Red and Green
non canon: Blue
faggot: OP

>>30080039
Nah that's Kris you're thinking of, she's been erased from existence by the usurper

shitposting aside I'd love to see leaf/green again. Best female protag design

>>30079990
Fans of Kris, Green/Blue/Leaf, and Chicken should all get together and form a support group for people with non-canon waifus.

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it's a shame she's not canon because she's one of the cutest protags

>acknowledge second worst girl

no

>>30079990
What about May, is she canon?

>>30080139
Only pokespe manga

Because she isn't. Red and Green (Oak) are the canon ones.
If she is introduced later, maybe she will be a friendly rival or something waifu like but there's literally 0% of that happening.

Unfortunately both red and leaf can't exist at the same time. And guess what character sells games when people see him?

>>30079990
SHE

>>30080162
Of course, you either play as her or she's your rival

>>30079990
just red genderswap, they never existed at the same time

>>30080405
In the manga they do but I know we're talking about the games here

>>30079990
How come Blue is wearing Green?

Gen 1 canon is Red
Gen 2 canon is Gold
Gen 3 and 4 I'm not really sure
Gen 5 is Hilda
Gen 6 again I'm not sure

But if there ever was a protagonist where you could be 100% sure of the canon gender, it's red

she never existed in the games(literally a female Red) so she's not canon in the games, she only existed in the manga so she's canon in the manga

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Gold is dead.

>>30080439
so was I? why even bring up the manga?

>>30079990
Her Pokemon only do 70% of the damage a man's would

>>30080500
because red is wearing blue, and green is wearing red

>red
>wears red
>blue
>doesn't wear blue

>>30080634
>>30080630
>>30080500
is this a meme

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>>30080603

>>30079990
Because she is not canon

>>30080520
>Gen 6 again I'm not sure
Shauna's romantic feelings make it pretty clear the games are written with a male lead in mind.

>>30080234
>him

>>30080634
because despite having the perfect chance to fix Green's name in HGSS, the idiots left it as Blue.

>>30081015
Why would they fix his name?

>>30081070
His name has always been Green and the remakes weren't called Fire Red and Leaf Blue.

At this point they should call Red "Yellow". They'd even be more correct if they did.

>>30080080
But blue is Red's rival and oak's grandson.

>>30081098
Yeah but his name has always been Blue to English players. Fixing their mistake and calling him Green would just confuse the average player, and only make happy the niche community that knows what his "real" name is.

>At this point they should call Red "Yellow". They'd even be more correct if they did.

I have no idea what you're trying to say at this point.

>>30081182
"the games are for 6 year olds" is frequently used as the excuse to justify the new games being garbage, but now we can't fix a mistake because it'll upset the vets? make up your mind.

>>30081347
>"the games are for 6 year olds" is frequently used as the excuse to justify the new games being garbage
But I never said that.

>>30081410
>>30081347
Not to mention that the games being "garbage" is up to Gamefreak and Green's name is up to NoA.

>>30081182
Yes, instead of fixing the mistake they should keep calling Green, Blue, despite it making less and less sense every subsequent appearance. That won't confuse their primary child demographic at all.

Japan is going to keep designing and implementing him as if his name was Green. The next time we get Kanto games it'll be Red & Green. The two characters' names are vital to who they are. To not correct this because some nostalgic casuals might go, "He'll always be Blue to me!" is stupid.

>>30079990
She doesn't exist, anon.

Pls accept the truth.

Why's there so much empty space on that picture of Red and Blue?

>>30081015
we never got pokemon green, if anything the localized remake not being "water blue" or some shitty name like that was the mistake

>>30081659
if they had called it that i wouldn't complain about about the names desu

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Really, it wouldn't have taken much effort to just put her in FRLG as some side character like they did with Lyra. What a waste of a perfectly good design.

>>30082008
game freak doesn't have to try, they'll still make a mint because diehard fans (myself included, until this latest installment) will keep buying the games.

kanto doesn't have a female champion though

>>30080084
DELETE THIS

>>30082155
>until this latest installment
You know you're buying star and whatever else they officially make
It's like 4chan, you're here forever

>>30082291
They'd have to do a shitload to win me back.

Fool me once, shame on me (XY).
Fool me twice, shame on you (ORAS).

>>30080039
>>30080084

Kotone/Lyra a shit and will always be a shit.

>>30080834
Same as Lillie.

>picked female
>she behaves like a needy girl who wants to you to be able to depend on her like she depends on you

I think she's cute.

>>30079990
Because as far as the Original Gold and Silver were concern, Red and Green/Blue were both established characters as opposed to player Avatars. Leaf Green only exist in FRLG only as the player Avatar, and those Avatars doesn't exist outside of those role.

>>30079990

Huh? Is that artwork of her fanmade or official?

>>30079990
Seeing as she's Red's rule 63, its kind of hard to something like that at the same time as Red being around.

>>30079990
She was added in as an option only in the remake, she's not the canon protagonist, Red is.

>>30080500
Because Japan has Pokemon Red/Green, not Blue.

So technically he's called Green but is always Blue in the western games.

>>30082380
I guess fuck anyone who grew up with her, right?

>>30082369
>fan made
It pisses me off so much that it's not real

>>30082408
She didn't exist in the original Red/Green though.

>>30082369
Are you retarded, Anon?
Are you diagnosed with mental retardation?
This is a serious question.
Because this is quite possibly the most retarded post I've seen all day.

>>30080520
>Gen 3 and 4 I'm not really sure

Both male and female MCs appear simultaneously and interact with each other in those.

Also, I'm glad someone else agrees that Hilda fits better in Black/White story.

>>30082408
>grew up with her
>grew up with FRLG
Fuck off, 00s babby.

>>30082455
Is it really fanmade? Jesus, that's some good quality.

I generally hate fanmade stuff but I couldn't even tell that from the others, was it like a side project from an official artist or something?

>>30082488
Anon, are you too retarded to grasp the concept that artists mimic other artstyles constantly?

>>30082354
In fact, none of the Player Avatars exist as their own character with the exception of Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald/ORAS and X/Y, where the opposite gender is one of your rivals. Even then, they don't really matter since their genders depend on your Avatar gender.

So the ultimate answer is that She, along with the Protags of the rest of the games, doesn't really exist outside of your player avatar; Red exist because your player avatar can literally battle him on the fucking mountain in Gold/Silver/HGSS.

>>30082487
Let's get you to bed Grandpa.
Actually I'm amazed you didn't misuse "millenial"

>>30081568
I don't know why they insist on calling him Blue.

The got rid the dumb "Pokemon Blue" problem with the release of FR/LG which we got in the west too, from that point his name should stay Green.

>>30082509
You're being pretty aggressive for no reason, it's just generally artists making fanart to mimic official art don't do a convincing enough job, in my experience.

>>30082465
>>30082509

Not that anon, but calm your tits, you autistic faggot. You sure get bothered a lot by people asking a reasonable question.

Stop making a fool of yourself.

It's unfortunate that the concept of Yellow was wasted and no one gives a shit about it..

I thought it was suppose to be like the definitive Gen 1 game, like Crystal or Emerald, but even now it still just instead seems like this weird wannabe off shoot because they tried to make Red into Ash with the Pikachu nonsense.

I'm glad it didn't stick.

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>>30082576
>>30082546

>>30080520
In Gen 3, 4, and 6 it doesn't really matter since both characters appear in game.

>>30080520
>Gen 5 is Hilda

My nigga.

>>30082487
you aren't the only demographic, friend.

>>30082626
if Red doesn't use a Raichu, it stuck.

>>30082316
SM is miles better than the Gen 6 games though.

FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Green, updated to Generation III standards by including a female protagonist.

HeartGold and SoulSilver were remakes of Gold and Silver, which didn't have a female character originally. Gold and Silver also didn't have a final ultimate battle against a female protagonist because there was none in Red and Green. While HeartGold and SoulSilver do take from Crystal, FireRed, and LeafGreen, they are first and foremost remakes of Gold and Silver.

>>30082718
you could add Leaf to HGSS in under an hour. shit together a sprite, which is honestly pretty easy and the only time consuming thing to be done here. then make up a roster, which also wouldn't be hard (something based on Green's team from Yellow would be a good place to start) and just throw together movesets.

The only reason they didn't do it was laziness.

>>30082008
>literally just Red with boobs
>good character design

Let's be real anon, Leaf is the most boringly designed female protagonist.

Realistically he should've just been localized as Gary. Ash and Red have drastically different designs and Blue and Gary have only minor differences.

Besides, there were only two types of kids that played Pokemon R/B/Y. The kids that named him something stupid like DICKS or Fuckface and the kids who named him Gary.

>>30081098
There's this concept known as branding. Brush up on it.

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>>30082839
>tfw I realize Gary's canon name is suppose to be "Green Oak"

>>30082839
I named him after my cousin who was a few years older than me and was generally much better/knowledgable about games and managed to fill his entire Dex with his friend.

So having him as a Rival to beat felt like a pretty fun accomplishment at that age.

>>30079990
That artist did a better job than anyone at gamefreak would've done

>>30083080
True

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>>30079990
>this fanart
i just fell in love

>>30082832
You can't improve perfection.

>>30082626
Red is Yellow's protag, though.

He uses all the Pokémon you are given in Pokemon Yellow (Pikachu, Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, Lapras, Eevee)

I wouldn't be surprised Blue uses an Eeveelution as well.

>>30079990
> female
> mattering
Kek

>>30079990
Not canon

>>30083763

Is she Green or Blue?

Blue in Japan, Green in USA?

How confusing...isn't her more accepted name "Leaf?"

If that's the case then her starters should be Bulbasaur.

>>30079990
Because the females are never canon except maybe Dawn.

>Lillie represented as the moon in SM where Moon is a symbol for femininity.
>PC is represented as the sun where Sun is symbol for masculinity so fuck Chicken chan.

>>30082832
Leaf is the one which most of the old and upcoming pokegirls are based on. Just look at Serena and Dawn, their desings are practically Leaf in different colors and hair.

>>30079990
>because she got older
>got married
>had a kid
>got a tan
>and moved to alola

>>30084180
Rosa, May, Serena and Hilda are also canon.

>>30084237
This. Red and Blue (and Cynthia) are pretty much man children with no real jobs.

CANON NON CANON CANON NON CANON CANON NON CANON

>>30084237
>You and your mom move to alola
>She's tanned like someone who's lived there 20 years
>Sun is default white

Triggered.

But in all seriousness I kind of like this headcanon.

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>>30080525
My friend and I had a fight about this, He constantly tried to state a fact that "Leaf/Green is canon" when shes not but then denies that canon characters like iris isnt canon.

Lets just say, he cried when he learnt that she aint in the game

>>30084270
You missed the joke
He implied leaf is sumo protagonist's mom

>>30084371
>canon characters like iris isnt canon.
What? She's in all 4 Gen V games as an NPC.

>>30084371
Your friend is a moron.

>>30084486
His perspective is that if it exists in both anime and game, its canon im guessing.

>>30084270
>paid for winning battles and celebrated for being the best at what they do
Fuck a plebshit 'real job'.

>>30084270
>Implying Green isn't rich as fuck
>Red mooches off Green
>Green takes him around the world to see cool shit and show him how to live life other than training Pokemon
>Bros for life

Why the hell would they need jobs? They're some of the most powerful people on the planet and are probably famous world wide, they just get to live the comfy life now as retired heroes.

>"B-b-but muh canon said she doesn't exists and--"

Jesus Christ. This gender option were made because of self insertion habits. Red pandering has nothing to do with it.

If you want to claim a girl as legit protag then you can do it as much as you want because it doesn't matter at the end, Pokemon games were designed to make your own story and do whatever you want on it. That's why there are no cameos of other protags from old games besides Red and Green and GF want to keep that kind of mystery forever and ever.

>inb4 muh pokemon generations
Promoting games as always and spoonfeeding and keeping haters of ashnime happy so they won't kill themselves for "i don't get muh edgy anime style pokimun"

>>30084606
>implying what red and cynthia get isnt pennies.
Though I guess Cynthia has a job as a mary sue and archaeologist.

All signs show to pokemon battling not being anything lucrative as nearly all gym leaders are kids or have their own jobs if they are adults.

>>30084642
Who cares, it's about doing what you love.

>>30080084
thanks to ultra beasts, leaf and lyra are dead.

>>30080520
There was one commercial that shown Red, Ethan, Brendan, Dawn, Hilda and Calem. I'd say it's Sun for Gen 7.

>>30084770
Link?

>>30084770
Source

>>30080520
>Gen 5 is Hilda
What makes you say? N romantic lead?

Makes sense. I dont know if we'll ever see any PCs other than red though.

>>30083638
Her face is too pointy

>>30080520

I know games /= anime but I'd say May would be the main in Gen 3, seeing as her dad is a gym leader in both game and anime.
Dawn for Gen 4 cause mother being a previous Coordinator champion in game and anime too.

>>30084358
Sun was a wimpy faggot who played his Wii U all day until his mom got fed up with his shit and kicked his ass out.

>>30084606
Is an trainer a athlete?

>>30082222
okay

>>30084642
Gym leaders need real jobs because they're constantly getting beaten and lose money battling.

>>30080634
>He thinks his name is blue

>>30084770
What commercial?

>The Pokemon multiverse has been established.
>Still things "Canon" protagonists matter fuck all.

The canon is whatever you make it.
You could sit there for days and say, for example, Serena is the canon protagonist.
Your friend could do the same, only claiming it's Calem.
And you'd both be correct.

The only constant throughout the multiverse as far as protagonists go is Red. Even the anime just uses a version of Red...A shitty, shitty version of Red that will never win anything significant.
Everything else is pretty much player choice.

>>30085296
Ash will win the Kanto League when he runs it again after gamefreak unveils red 2 and blue 2.

>>30085038
I say if a female shows up in the anime they are not canon. Ash is suppose to stand in for the male character, and if a female player character shows up in the anime, they will always play second banana to him.

But let's go with your logic. In the manga Johana and Norman are the parents of the male characters, so yeah.

>>30084745
Stop this meme.

>>30085357
>I say if a female shows up in the anime they are not canon. Ash is suppose to stand in for the male character, and if a female player character shows up in the anime, they will always play second banana to him.

But...Then by your own logic, Leaf is canon.
Which is one of the three females we know for a fact ISN'T canon.

>>30085398
What I meant to say is a fem PC showing up in the anime is a point against them being rather than for. They can certainly still be considered canon by fans since there's nothing concrete against it.

Leaf however, is 100% not canon for the fact Red is fully canonized.

>>30085004
I always had the feeling that N was either not attracted to any gender or gay

>>30082626
It did stick. The Red you fight in G/S/C, HG/SS and Sun/Moon is based on the Red from Yellow.

They don't acknowledge leaf, but Red's new design is an update of his FR/LG one rather than his original so I doubt they just forgot. Probably just non-canon like Kris.

>>30085325
>Red and Blue 2
>Not Red Sun and Blue Moon
Step up your theory game

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>>30087324

>>30082222
QUADS OF TRUTH

>>30084180
>>Lillie represented as the moon in SM where Moon is a symbol for femininity.
>>PC is represented as the sun where Sun is symbol for masculinity

I'm aware about this kind of symbology in other media, but where was that stated or shown in the game? Because that shit might be applied to the male and female MCS.

Also, Hilda is canon to Black/White.

>>30084642
>mary sue

>Implying Red isn't one

>Implying any of the other MCs aren't one

>>30084770

Six hours since you posted it, but I would like to know the source, anon. Sounds interesting.

Leaf is Red from an alternate universe if he had been a girl.

>>30080084
fuck off

lyra is a shit, kris lives on forever (in my heart)

>>30085004
>What makes you say? N romantic lead?

Not that anon, I never saw N as a romantic lead for her, but a rival. Hilda and N fit better as rivals than Hilbert,in my opinion.

Same with Cheren and Belle.

>>30084790
>>30084806
>>30085233
https://youtu.be/8CF_m4cPs2g?t=1m32s

>>30079990
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

>>30085038

I just detest that in the main anime, most all of Ash's female companions have to become coordinators. It seemed a bit more fitting for Dawn, but it was lame with May(though I get that they made her be one due to the novelty at the time), but then Serena had to be one as well.

Iris was a nice break, though but the B/W anime sucked.

>>30079990
She's a woman, her canon story is that she probably quit halfway because she got bored

>>30089368

Stupid theory.

>>30089298

>Dawn and Hilda are shown instead of Lucas and Hilbert

I like that. But yeah, If I remember well, Dawn and Hilda are more popular than the other two, so I get why they were pur here.

>>30084610
>Yfw GF ripped off Ryu and Ken

Can we all agree that Hilda and Hilbert are the best PC designs.

>>30084745
Not Lyra but Kris. They got slaughtered by the Ultra Beast unless they became Fallers.