So after actually using it in OU, i can tell it's quite

>>30054218
How do you make it not get BTFO by blast burn?

>>30054218
What's the best nature for Ash-Greninja? Timid or Modest?

>>30054278
Considering this gen is gonna be
>Fuck priority: the meta
Timid is best. Back to the good old days, when speed actually matters.

>>30054324
So you think his speed will end up being more important overall than boosting the Water Shuriken? And ditching his Attack stat will be the better option overall?

>>30054324
Talonflame will still theorically be somewhat good

It still has fucking 126 base speed

>>30054356
Yeah, he was stronger options in through his special movepool. Since he'll only be getting stab from water/dark type moves.

Water Shuriken will still be a great asset if you can rid of the Tapu Lele's.

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>>30054239
By having Alan not cheating.

252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Water Shuriken (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Charizard X: 290-350 (80.5 - 97.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>30054278
>>30054324
>>30054356
Timid right now. After move tutors? Hasty/Naive for using the lovely attack for Gunk shot sometime.

Right now, best set is probably

IKU Z (Greninja-Ash) @ Darkinium Z/Waterium Z/Life Orb
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Water Shuriken
- Dark Pulse

>>30054218
>Ash greninja
>Good
Dude this thing gets fucking annihilated by golisopod's first impression, and most pokemon who aren't toxapex can wall it with ease
Literally through the entire day, my team has yet to actually get rekt by this jobber frog, only 2 or 3 actually got knocked out and that was my lycanroc who i use to set up stealth rocks and spam accelerock to chunk, then immediately after i would just send out golisopod and wall the mary sue oc, hell i even wreck its shit with a mimikyu, if you want to talk about something op, mimikyu is yo boi/gal it's really fucking good
Priority isn't even close to dead by the way, it just simply has very needed counters in lele and the dazzling abilities

>>30054567
>hurr i killed it with bug priority move!

So you played against retards. Jesus.

>>30054603
I've killed it with leech life too, just fyi
greninja is alright truth be told, but it really needs protean to do better, and battle bond just cripples it more than helps it

>>30054640
Okay so you killed a frail fast mon with a move that's super effective against it and whoever used it didn't bother switching until you were weakened, woop dee doo

>>30054519
Is it worth even trying to make the special Munchlax viable? Not sure if the Snorlium Z will work on any Snorlax.

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Protean Greninja is just a very very good all-out attacker. Ash-Greninja is late-game sweeper.

>tfw Ash-Greninja just saved me and swept the other team
>mfw he tried to prankster T-wave me
>mfw dark buff