>picks starter your starter is good against >heals you

Gladion also exists

He's not the rival you retarded waste of air.

Gladion is the rival.

>>30038032
>>30038038
Gladion is hardly better

>>30038058
He's certainly better than pathetic trainers like "talk big, but be shit" Silver.

>>30038008
He's a friend.

>>30038008
Better than some faggot who loses every time yet acts like he's stronger. Definitely better than XY's rival whining every time they lose.

>>30038032
>>30038038
>>30038099
This doesn't change the fact or magically excuse that he is a bad character with several flaws. Gladion isn't that much better either.

>>30038115
It still makes your idiotic RIVAL RIVAL RIVAL RIVAL post worthless because he isn't the fucking rival.

>>30038115
It's almost like he's a 12 year old kid that just wants to have fun.

>>30038174
>>30038099
>>30038038
>>30038032
How is he not the rival? I am on the fourth island and have only faced Gladion once thus far.

>>30038115
Let me break it to you OP. No rival, except for Barry maybe, was ever challenging. Nope, not even Blue.

>>30038008
You forgot
>Is constantly behind you in the trials
Before, once you beat something, your rival would have beaten you to it and mock you.
Now they can't even keep up.

>>30038215
Because he's not. The game even calls it "friend".

Also why exactly can't someone introduced later in the game be the rival? Is there a rule that says that the rival has to appear at the start or something?

>>30038008
He's just a good buddy.

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>>30038008
>uses a Pokemon feature as a thinly-veiled excuse to bawwww about what he perceives as a pussified generation

>>30038008
A rival isn't someone inherently antagonistic. It's someone you have a rivalry with, someone you compete with. If that manifests as antagonistic relationship or a friendship where you like each other but are still interested in seeing who's stronger that doesn't change that it's a rivalry.

>>30038008
It's made in Japan. Their slides have a 10° tilt and kids slide down them in a crouched position. So yes, their children are delicate petals now.

>>30038258
How can he the rival when he's barely around?

>>30038038
>>30038099
>>30038174
>>30038258
>>30038348
>>30038358
If you say Hau is not a rival, this opens up a whole can of worms.

Why is Wally considered a rival?
Why is Bianca considered a rival?
Why is N considered a rival by some, but not by others?
Why are Trevor and Tierno considered rivals?

Dividing these characters into "friends" and "rivals" doesn't make sense because there are far too many blurred lines to conclude any guidelines as to what constitutes a "rival" and what doesn't. In reality, they're all the same type of character. Game Freak literally does what they want.

>>30038229
You're imagining things.

He's just the Bianca of this Gen, not sure why everyone is shitting their pants.

>>30038358
He's "as barely around" as Silver is.

>>30038376
Then let's say he's the "shit rival" like Bianca, if it makes you happy.

>>30038258
>pretending the friend archetype is that different from the rival

Hau is your rival, but more along lines of Bianca.
Gladion is more or less the more competitive one like Green, Silver, Barry, etc since he counters you.
Hau's still pretty pathetic though considering he goes through the Trials with you like every competitive one went through gyms.

It's a fucking game you lunatic stop turning everything into some kind of political statement

>>30038432
Silver was there since the beginning of the game

>>30038008
He's not the rival

>Is this what a rival is to millennials?

Aren't you one if you are still playing Pokemon? Be pretty pathetic if you are 30+ and complaining about difficulty in a kids game.

Hau is just your friend who's actually trying to accomplish stuff too unlike those XY faggots Tierno/Trevor

>Hau is so shit a rival that people don't even consider him a rival

wow...

>>30038649
The game literally classifies him as friend and Gladion as rival

>>30038680
There's no "Friend" page on Bulbapedia though.

>>30038649
>>30038680
I don't get it. Tons of people have no problem accepting that Wally is a rival, or Bianca, or even Trevor/Tierno.

Hau really is that garbage.

>>30038760
Who are these "tons of people"?

>>30038777
The /vp/ hivemind over the past few years. Is this your first week, pally?

The only GREAT DEBATE in terms of what constituted as a rival before Hau was N.

>>30038760
Honestly, makes sense to classify them as friends.
They never compete with you about anything.

>>30038008
Were you born after 1985? If not, you're a millennial. If so, get off 4chan loser.

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>>30038099
I DON'T WANT FRIENDS

>>30038736
And Bulbapedia doesn't mean shit you retard

>>30038845
As >>30038376 said, there's just really no strict guideline to conclude what makes a character a rival. Being "competitive" or "friendly" isn't enough. There are too many exceptions, rivals that do [x] but not [y], rivals that do [y] but not [x] etc etc.

It's just better from a logical angle to put them all under the same umbrella group.

>>30038877
Before*

My bad.

>>30038796
I've been here since 2011, pally pal pal, suck my left nut.

>>30038008
Holy fucking shit grandpa, fuuuuck ooooooffff.

>>30038760
Wally's definitely a rival, his entire arc is about trying to be the best and surpassing you.

Bianca, Trevor and Tierno are just friends who don't even give a shit about battling

>>30038920
Bianca has an arc though.

>>30038880
You experience that enough in real life

>>30038939
Wasn't her arc just about travelling though?

>>30038920
Wally has an arc, but it's not the focus, and it never is, and you only fight him twice, and he doesn't use a starter, and doesn't competitively antagonize you ever, but people will still sooner consider him the "main" rival before Brendan/May.

>>30038939
Yeah but it's about her not being good enough to be a trainer and doing research shit with Juniper instead

When did the rival become the guy that didn't try to powercreep you by picking the starter you were weak against

>>30038964
>Wasn't her arc just about travelling though?

Her arc wasn't just about traveling, it was literally figuring out what the fuck she wanted to do with her life after breaking free from her strict Father. She latched onto the idea of battling but after a few losses realized thats not where her heart is so she starts studying with Prof. Juniper.

>>30038977
>but people will still sooner consider him the "main" rival before Brendan/May

thats stupid.

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>Wanting every "rival" to just be a new version of Gary

Why? Not every rival needs to be some flavor of dickhead.

>>30038894
A rival is by definition a competitor, someone who have the same goal as the MC, and wants to defeat him/her. Like Blue, who wants to become the greatest trainer or complete the pokedex first.
But then, if we are gonna talk about rivals in pokemon games, we should say that Hau is a rival, the same way that Wally or Bianca are.

>>30039008
Just because people consider something to be true doesn't mean the developers intended it to be that way.

He's an islander so of course he's just a laid back kinda guy.

>>30039033
>and wants to defeat him/her

And MAY want to defeat him/her. A rival's intention could just be to be considered equals or comparable to each other.

>>30038099
I don't need friends, they disappoint me.

>>30039029
We've had 2 dickhead rivals and, like, 7 pushover ones

>>30039033
Bianca didn't share goals with you.

>>30038008
>2016
>not realizing that there isn't a rival because you are Hau's rival, not the other way around
You are always 1 step ahead, you have the stronger starter, and you become the champion they will have to eventually face.

THE PLAYER is the Gary Motherfucking Oak of this gen.

>nobody understood that in gen VI (YOU) were the rival

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>>30039078
>We've had 2 dickhead rivals and, like, 7 pushover ones

And this argument comes up almost every time. I can understand people critiquing Hau's shit ass team, but as a character he's fine. He's a generally positive guy with a competitive streak who wants to prove he can be somebody.

>>30039078
We've had two dickheads in Blue/Gladion, one comical edgemaster in Silver, a wimp-turned badass in Wally, a competent enough one in Cheren, and the rest pushovers

>>30039117
>forgetting Barry, the pinnacle proof of viable marriage between "competent" and "comical"

>>30038358
Your dad is still your dad even if he isn't around anon. Its okay.

>>30039152
Yeah, add him as a very competent one

>>30039078
What if I told you, nothing about the word rival implies it to be someone you can't get along with or has a grudge with you, and that this game series is targeted towards children? Being friendly isn't being a pushover, you just spend too much time on 4chan.

>>30039117
you switched Gladion and Silver.

>>30038008
It's called appealing to casuals neckbeard.

>>30038008
I like Hau, fuck off. I like these "rivals" better than old ones.
>Don't act like cocky little shits despite that you kick their face in every time
>Teaches kid you can have friendly competition that doesn't lead to hatred
>No "Baaawwww I should have won" bullshit/sulking
Literally an improvement if you're above the age of 18.

>>30039181
If one is an edgy comical character I don't see how the other one isn't. You two are silly.

>>30039113
>but as a character he's fine
he is fine as Jar Jar Binks. Just a bullshit comic relief

>>30039181
>Gladion
>Edgy

Way to show you didn't play the game

>>30039181
>>30039207
>>30039210

He's an absolute edgemaster until mid-late game and then he starts to lighten up.

In the end both him and Silver have Friendship Evolution pokemon in their team, showing that they've gotten the fuck over their issues.

>>30039210
>Silver
>just wants to not be considered a bad man like daddy
>edgy

>>30039207
Because Silver literally talks nonstop about how the weak should die and shits on his team until the very end while Gladion is a good person who just comes off antagonistic

>>30039020
Don't know, I don't mess with loser mons

>>30039241
>>just wants to not be considered a bad man like daddy
>steals pokemon like his daddy

apples

>>30039260
and tries to give it back

>>30039260
You should play the games.

>>30039008
No it isn't
You never even fought a completed team from brendan, he just stops competing with you
Whereas wally's victory road fight mirrored silver's, and you can rebattle him

He's decidedly more of a rival than them

>>30039277
>and tries to give it back
When?

>>30039247
>while Gladion is a good person who just comes off antagonistic

You mean like Silver? People spend their entire days talking about killing each other on the internet. I bet you have told someone on here to kill themselves. Are you an edge lord?

>>30039277
>>30039288
The end doesn't justify him being an edgy annoying faggot throughout the entire game

>>30038008
This is basically Tumblr boy.
Leave xir alone.

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>GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR HAU IS TOO HAPPY I JUST WANT TO PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE HE'S #NOTMYRIVAL

Apologize to Serena. Apologize right now.

>>30039117
>Barry
>pushover

He is the exemplum of what a friendly rival should be. Someone you can shoot the breeze with and have injokes with in one moment and then earnestly wants to kick your ass in another. All while maintaining mutual respect.

>>30038008
he's not the fucking rival, its the shauna of this gen, gladion is the rival

>>30038008
>/vp/ casuals still haven't reached the champion
You'll be in for a surprise.

>>30039327
What?

>>30039338
Shauna was a rival though. Many people consider her one.

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>Autists can't grasp the idea of having multiple acquaintances and friends along your journey who all have different drives and personalities.

>>30039313
After you beat Red, IIRC ( I don't remember if you have to give shuckle back or not).
But the trainer says that he saw that Sneasel was happy with Silver, and don't accept.
The same occurs if the shuckle is happy.

>>30039322
The way you post makes you just as much of an "edgy annoying faggot" as the game dialog makes Silver so I still don't see what you're trying to prove by calling the kettle black.

>>30039372
And yet he never tries to return the starter that he stole.

>>30039029
Would you prefer the rival be a faggot numale #i'mstillwithher cuck from now on?

>>30039389
Yes, he did.
From bulbapedo:
Even after he starts to become kinder, he remains a rather serious individual. He does, however, express genuine happiness when Elm allows him to keep the Pokémon he stole.

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>>30039419
>Would you prefer the rival be a buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword

wow

>>30039431
inb4bulbanotreal

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>>30038008
Hau is probably one of the least offensive friends in the series.
I seriously like him more than Hugh.

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>>30039192
Hugh out of all guys was a better friendly rival than him, excluding his sister issues and raging autism.
>>30039337
Wonder how bad they will ruin him if a remake happens, haven't even topped him 10 years later.

>>30039439
He's making fun of you, genius. Understand context.

>>30038229
Literally only in Gen 1/FRLG has the rival always been ahead of you. No other region has anyone on the Certified Trainers list when you enter the gym.
Yes, May/Brendan is always already at areas you reach but they're going on a different journey, same with Silver.

>>30039473
He doesn't read the words when he plays video games, anon.

>>30039463
>Understand shitposting

nah

>>30039473
It's been awhile, but I'm fairly certain Wally starts to appear on the Certified Trainer list aswell after a certain point in the story.

>>30039508
>thinks someone making fun of you is shitposting

lol

>>30038008
Stop being a crybaby

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>>30039457
Hugh is irritating and is my biggest issue with B2W2 despite them being my favorite in the series.
>B-but muh sister's Purlion!
Jesus Christ dude just shut the fuck up, not even your sister cares any more. This isn't endearing or relatable, it's forced as hell and makes me want to strangle him every goddamn time he talks about it.
At least Hau doesn't bitch about his Pikachu every five milliseconds.

>>30039456
Hugh at least had a good theme going for him.

>>30038008
He actually gets salty when you beat him at the champonship challenge.

I remember when people hyped Hugh as the ebin return of the asshole rival

>>30039566
I honestly don't even remember it but that might be because I haven't played that game in a while.

I kinda like Hau's theme though, I think its fits his character well.

>>30038215
>on the fourth island
>only faced Gladion once
That's horseshit. You have to have faced Gladion twice to get to Poni Island -- once on Route 5, when he was introduced, and once after Po Town when Lillie gets kidnapped.

>>30039566
Pokemon showdown killed that theme for me.

>>30039457
I'd rather listen to Hau talk about hawaiian donuts than Hughs MUH CAT MUH RAGE shit

Plus his team was fucking garbage

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>there will never be a rival as memorable as Gary/Blue

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>>30038008
I swear its some clown ass niggas on this board. You all used to fucking complain about edgy rivals in your Ghanian quilt trading games and now even though you get both a friendly rival and an edgy rival you all want to bitch and complain.

Not to mention that Hau is better than Hugh's forgettable ass and leagues ahead of Barry, because Barry kept screaming some annoying shit in your face every encounter. Hau doesn't care about winning and laughs in the face of danger because he gives no fucks and represents what /vp/ lost in their transition into adulthood: genuinely having fun and coasting thru life.

tl;dr: Nigga fuck you, fuck this thread, fuck yall hating on Hau, fuck SM for having a half assed story, fuck GameFreak for making Stoutland unusable, fuck Nintendo for making that WalMart ass collapsible console, fuck Moot for leaving 4chan in shambles, fuck your momma for not swallowing your dumb ass, and fuck Michael Jordan for poisoning the black community.

>>30039703
The only reason Blue was so memorable is because he and Giovanni were the only characters in the game

>>30039703
This is true.
But I hated what Ohmori did to him.
>lol, do you wanna battle me or Red?
Blue is arrogant as fuck, we would never said something like that (or have that pose).

>>30039724
You should play the games.

>>30039757
They're literally the only characters you interact with more than like twice

>>30039780
That literally doesn't literally make them the literally only characters in the literally game.

>>30038008
>millenials
stopped reading there

>>30039780
Oak, your mom, your pikachu,

>>30038008
Gladios is the rival, he's a friend. Retard

>>30039802
It does when everyone else is a non-character. Everyone else does nothing

>>30039863
You should play the games.

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>>30039258
Damn anon, calm down. She's already lost.

>>30039538
I mean as soon as somebody uses the word cuck it's very clear they're just shit posting

>>30039757
Head canon doesn't count for character development fagboy

His Raichu at the start of Ula'Ula is the only Rival Pokemon I can think of that gave me even an inkling of trouble when using a well-balanced team, so he gets points from me.

>>30039950
Exactly, so play the games. Stop getting mad and actually know what you're talking about before replying. You even talk to the old man who needs coffee more than once. Oak's assistant, too. f

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Barry wasn't that bad as a rival

His battle theme fit so well too

>>30038226
Second May/Brendon battle if you chose mudkip was usually pretty tough. ....Or at least when I was 8.

>>30039700
Honestly this thing that pisses me off about him, rivals in same gen had less of a shitter team and none of the excuses with only gen 5 mon.
>>30039560
They turned up his autism even more in special, I heard dude set his Vibrava off at a bunch of girls or something.

>>30039722
>not liking Hugh or Barry
>projecting

Hau is a pretty high tier Rival though

>>30039752
He knows his boyfriend is too shy to speak up for himself so he likes doing it for him
It's very in-character

>>30040044
>not sharing my opinion
>projecting

>>30040009
He is my favourite
Platinum was perfect

>>30040044
No he isn't. Shit theme and a shit team

>>30038008
He isn't any worse than Shauna/Tierno/Trevor or >muh Purrloin

>>30040050
yeah, "thanks" Ohmori

HUGH AT LEAST HAD A GOOD BATTLE THEME

>>30038008
>he also has a crush on Lillie so that you can cuck him romantically

Being Hau is suffering.

>>30040235
Rivals after Gen 2 were a mistake.

>>30040235
Hugh was fun. This faggot isn't.

>>30040247
What's with the attitude?

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>>30039722
>what /vp/ lost
That's what /v/ lost. Real /vp/ is chill as fuck but whenever new games come out this board gets raided by /v/ niggers who try hard to live up to the outdated "4chan culture" meme and convince you how cool and tough their secret club has made them.

Is Hau ok with male PC cucking him too from Lillie?

>>30040253
>>30040349
t. lilliefags

>>30040332
nothing, nu-male
enjoy the game

>>30040253
How can you cuck somebody who isn't even in a relationship with them and there are no children being born?

>>30038736
>Bulbapedia.

You realise that shit is only an unofficial, fanmade wiki that's owned by a pedophile, right?

>>30040057
>implying that assuming that anyone who might not like Hau has lost the ability to have fun and go with the flow isn't projecging

>>30040409
Yet many of the shit they feed spreads fast.

>>30040385
What's that supposed to mean?
Because 4chan teenagers are the pinnacle of masculinity? Are you threatened by my coolness?

>>30040433
>Are you threatened by my coolness?
I really don't know how to reply to this.
here's your (You)

>>30040484
That's what I thought, bitch
New red and blue are great

>30040518
no more (You)s to the nu male

>>30040393
Very carefully.

>>30040431
Does it? Not only are they slow as fuck in what they do (watch S/M's info only show up 3+ months from now), but they are actually wrong on some shit, like Mythical Pokémon. I'd show the image talking about them being wrong about some translation or some shit, but I don't have it at hand.

>>30040635
"Leaf"

"Silver"

Whatever they end up deciding to call the SM protagonists despite not having names in-game.

>>30040421
>implying

>>30040635
What are they wrong with on Mythical Pokemon?

gen 2 had the last good rival.

>>30040817
>Silver
>Good

>>30040865
you're right.
excellent rival

>>30040880
Not at all

Nothing good about constantly kicking his shitty teams ass then him complaining about them being shitty

>>30040908
>lol, I will wrote the word "shitty", I'm so cool
You defeated every other single rival. Your point?
Also, the battle after the second gym is pretty good. Play the game.

>>30040953
No, it wasn't

>>30040983
Nice argument.
No, it wasn't

>>30040953
I thought silver was cool and cute

>>30038008
Hes not your rival hes your friend.

>>30040817
>>30038008
Are we doing this again?

>Solid Tier
Blue, Barry
>Edgelord Tier
Silver, Hugh
>Weak Tier
Cheren, Bianca, Shauna
>Barely Exist Tier
Brendan/May, Wally
>Numale Tier
Trevor, Tierno, Hau

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They somehow made Hugh's "MUH PURRLOIN" situation even worse.
If he continues like this it's going to be entertaining seeing this cat autism blow up at the Frigate.

>>30041223
slivers not a edgelord hes the 90s linkin park version of it

FINISH THE FUCKING GAME. THAT'S A PLOT POINT, YOU RETARD.

>>30038355
Live in japan, this is not true.

Kids also learn to run and do a pullover on horizontal bars in primary school here.

>>30039473
What about Barry? I'm pretty sure he's always ahead of the player as shown by the Certified Trainers list in the Gyms.

>>30040732
There's an image that's posted here about a translation that they've gotten horribly wrong and that to this day hasn't been fixed, but I don't have it, unfortunately.

>Thanks for visiting the Aether Paradise, I have a gift for you both
>MC, I have a TM containing Psychic for you
>Hau, here's some donuts
Why does no one have any respect for him?

>>30039338
like I care
(RSE wally)/dawn/bianca/trevor/tierno/shauna/hau are not ivals

>>30041961
Okay, well then tell me what it is.

>>30038008
>millennials
Has not knowing what this word even vaguely means become a meme at this point?