GUESS WHO JUST DROPPED BACK TO OU LADS? Along with Deoxys, Grenigger,

>Tapu Lele used Shadow Ball!

Can you take that thing with you back to Ubers?

It won't last. the true gen 6 pseudo will show fools why it's the best

>>29992806
GOD DAMMIT I THOUGHT THEY KILLED HAUNTER FUCK YOU AND YOUR SWORDWAIFU JUST LET IT DIE WE BANNED IT FUCKING TWICE FUCK

What are you gonna do? Iron Head me?

Mega metagross already fucks all of the tapus in the rectum.

I love Smogonsword! Aegislash is my girlfriend!

>>29992806
My mom?

>>29992806
Is this speculation or is there an announcement on what the initial Gen 7 tiers are that I missed?

>>29992806
Where's the source?

>>29992806
Let's just hope they don't ban Hoopa again.

>>29992964
Go on Shwdown right now fmaily.

>>29993064
What am I supposed to be seeing?

>>29992806
You act as this is new.

This kind of shit happens every damn gen, and most of them go back to Ubers within a month.

>>29992964
https://dex.pokemonshowdown.com/

>Blaziken still banned
FUCKING SMOGON

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Would you?

>>29993889
yes, without question. my Brienne is my special lady sword and I will love her forever

Reminder that Tapu Bule is Smogonswords best friend. It nerfs Earthquake and makes SmogonMole a safe switch into

>>29992806

>Genesect
>but who cares

Back in the day that monster set usage records.

>Greninja
>Aegislash
>OU

Didn't know we were back in early XY meta. This is going to be exciting!

>>29994072
>Didn't know we were back in early XY meta
We aren't, Banded Brave Bird isn't going to be a thing.

>>29992806
Mega Lucario is still ubers. I guess it still a monster that sweeps anyway.

>>29994119
It's okay, banded Aerial Ace will be the new meta now :^)

>>29994049
What was it in early XY? 50%? I forget.

>Mawile didn't drop into Aegislashland
I'm kinda disappointed. Also no Deoxys forme was unbanned, not even D/S.

>>29994327
D and S are OU, go check.

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>>29994383

Why does Smogon hate Blaziken? A lot of its counters are very viable

At least, the Deoxys Cycle is broken.

Aegislash won't stay unbanned, not with the buff King's Shield got.

>>29994147
>Toxapex used Baneful Bunker!

>>29992870
Flash cannon is better, no need to worry about bulky ground/steel/water holding rocky helmet to hit them.

>>29993764
SPEED FUCKING BOOST IN SINGLES FOR A POKÉMON THAT 2HKOS PRIMAL GROUDON WITH HJK WITHOUT GOING MEGA!

WHY ISN'T THIS THING OU?

>>29994576
2hkos primal Groudon with HJK, has speed boost.

Nothing wrong here dude. Let's face it in singles Blaziken is retarded.

>>29994696
Because Slowbro Intimidate users Toxapex Altaria, good prediction and priority users cuck it.

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Where's me waifuuuu ??? ｡:ﾟ(｡ﾉω＼｡)ﾟ･｡

>>29992806
>lads
I hope you get shanked with an assault butterknife the next time you step outside filthy paki

>>29994636

What buff?

>>29994749
Good prediction, dude. You are forcing people to run a single playstyle to check Blaziken.

Blaziken checks are only viable in balance and stall.

Someone post the link.

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>>29994749
>priority users

Not in Lele-chan's meta.

>>29994744
>>29994696
Wanna know a beast that walls Primal Groudon and can set up on its face without giving a fuck? Flygon

>>29994780
Even if you try to dodge it with an immunity the - atk still procs.

>>29994780

https://twitter.com/pokemon_PhD/status/799130721902329857

Attack is now dropped two stages even if it's a move Aegislash is immune to.

You can't outpredict King's Shield anymore.

>>29992829
>pokemon has weakness
>>29994843
oshit

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>due to being a Hoenn-centric move, Tapu Bulu can't learn Secret Power
I'm sad. Would've been perfect for it.

>>29994809
>Flygon
Whats dragon claw? What's sun boosted fireblast on the switch.

Flygon can't survive Pgroudon.

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LEAVE THE TAPUS TO ME
⌒⌒⌒( ᆺ ᆺᆺᆺ )⌒⌒⌒

>>29994636
>>29994780
There's also a nerf. You can't stance change if you can't attack. So if you're fully paralyzed, you can't re-enter shield mode.

>>29994843
Just the right mon to give a buff to mmmhmm

>>29994923
>Blissey used Mud-Bomb!

>>29994749
Slowbro falls on the switch to SD+Knock off, dry baton pass plays just like lopunny so CB ttar on Mawile come on predicted switches.

Priority is moot thanks to Tapu Lele.

Prediction goes both ways you cuck, Blaziken is a centralizing piece of shit that destroys offence an balance with little support, face it your bro burd is plain broken in execution, it deserves its ban in singles.

>>29994912
>Whats dragon claw?
Something no P-Don above 1100 elo runs
>What's sun boosted fireblast on the switch
Something that needs to both land, roll higher than 50% and then Groudon has to outspeed Flygon before it roosts.

For the record if Flygon runs some SpDef then it won't 2HKO

>>29995071
wow!

so can someone explain to a retarded faggot fucking piece of shit that should probably kill himself while sucking dicks why Bravest Birb and Grenigger are dropping to OU? did they get nerfs?

>>29994696
>>29994744
Yeah but Genesect, Greninja, Landorus-I, Deoxys Aegislash and Hoopa Unbound are not retarded at all.
Might as well unban it, they are re-testing everything after all.

>>29995051
And you are still running a fr asking flygon with a less optimized stat spread.

Also you are saying you have to hit fireblast twice and run above 90 speed, guess what bro, Fireblast has a 30% burn chance.

Listen man, we can grasp at straws all you want but dclaw Pgroudon actually has a niche if landing Rayquaza and Giratina on the switch, it's a legitimate set to run especially on twave or Roar variants of Pgroudon.

Trying to defend Blaziken through a shit mon doesn't make Blaziken damage thresholds any less impressive, it shreds offense and balance teams a new asshole and thanks to terrains its even harder to check right now.

Deal with it, Blaziken is broken in singles as it is ridiculously restrictive.

>>29995191
Gale wings only works at full hp
Gengar lost levitate
Gengar will remain in OU though, it's just too damn good.

>>29993889
top kek.

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Oh god yes. I can finally create a Deoxys team that's not for ubers.

>>29995241
Greninja, not Gengar

>>29995191
New threats and new environment, and Greninja barely got the hammer last time so they're doing a second take

>>29995233
And Hoopa Unbound shreds stall a new asshole and it's getting unbanned anyways.
Defend this.

>>29995215
Speed boost Blaziken less retarded than Genesect, we are talking about terminal cancer vs internal radiation burns...

Dude, just stop.

I can understand people testing Genesect, Hoopa-U and Landorus I as a stall player those gave me headaches but they don't fuck with all 4 main playstyle all at once, Blaziken pulls that off.

Genesect will be banned without a doubt, Hoopa U and Landorus I will dodge the spotlight for a bit.

But dude, seriously, stop trying to defend speed boost Blaziken.

Was OU the only thing that got new pokemon added back?

>>29992806
Gene sect was annoying as shit it'll definitely go back to ubers within the first 2 months

>>29995325
Tell me about how offense and balance deal with Blaziken when Rocks are in.

Slowbro loses to SD knock off, Azumarrill can only switch in once, hippowdon can lose to SD HJK.

Also Blaziken can dry pass on the switch allowing trapping.

Hoopa U destroys stall, Blaziken has a good match up against all the playstyles.

Why the fuck is Deoxys, Hoopa, and others dropped to OU.

Why?

WHY ARE ALL THE NEW GEN 7 MON IN OU?

>>29995423
OU is the only tier that exists (except Ubers) when new gens role around.

The lower tiers slowly get filled in as OU settles.

NU won't be around for awhile

Happened last gen, too. Deoxys-N and Blaziken lasted a week before getting banned again.

>>29994749
These might be enough to check it but Blaziken has Baton Pass, that just pushes it over the edge.

>>29992806
but what about shit like mawile, kang, salamence?

>>29995492
>>29995514
Like I said, only OU and Ubers are around at first, fag. Chill those moobs

>>29995492
Because all get a decent chance to be tested.

High bst can have its shortcomings, remember Kyurem B? Godlike stats but no movepool?

This happens every generation.

>>29994383
Thus the cycle continues

>surely they'll be balanced this time

>>29995549
Stuff like Genesect and Blaziken are fucked.

Mega Salamence is disgustingly fucked.

>>29995549
Considering parental bond nerf, I feel like them not testing kang is weird

Something tells me these aren't the only mons coming back to OU

>>29995594
Salamence will fuck with everything on sight before being fucked though.

>>29995594
but kang got nerfed and mawile is shit in ubers to begin with

Grenigger will stay as a check to the Tapus to prevent them from becoming overcentralized
Same with Aegeslash
Pheromosa is getting mega banned, first suspect

>>29995631
Seismic toss set, 200 hp lost every turn with access to rest talk is funny.

>>29992806
What happened? Why's he back?

>>29995634
It doesn't matter if it's shit in Ubers, it matters if it is too much for OU.

>>29995348
>as a stall player

fuck you fag

>>29994772
Mega Mawile and Mega Kang will probably be suspected later. The nerf to sucker punch hurts both of them a bit, and Mega Kang got outright nerfed, they can't keep them in ubers without trying them out again.

Neither of them benefited from change to mega evolution turn order, either. Lucario did though, but it's unclear if it's still too OP.

Mega Gengar and Salamence are Uber forever though.

>>29992806

Oh boy it's time for another round of "Deo Bros. Shit Up OU for six months because people like to claim they're not broken as all fuck"

I'll see you guys in May.

>>29995697
New generation unlocks almost everything to OU, usage determines the tiers.

Broken determines Uber, broken for a lower tier determines BL status.

>Gumshoos is OU
But why? I feel like he'd need Retaliate to be truly threatening.

>>29992870
>QUOTE FROM TAPU IRON HEADED

>>29995721
I'm defending the most disgusting things to ever appear against stall, they deserve a chance to be tested.

For the record, I'm going to enjoy the fuck out of new dugtrio in stall.

>>29995766
Its because its new to the game, just like you

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>>29995819
Good one.

>>29995766
All fully evolved/single stage alolamons are OU by default as far as I know, most of them will drop or get banned soon.

So who do you think will get the boot again?

>>29994576

Maybe because people don't wanna carry around mega slowbro and azumarril every match on the off chance that Blaziken is on the other team.

>>29995640
But Pheromosa is completely and utterly shit on by Aegislash, as it literally can't do anything to it. If Aegislash is staying, Pheromosa might too.

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>>29995819
>>29995840
Oh no, that means Talonflame is still in OU.

>>29994809

Too bad that's Flygon's only use is being a groudon check and it sucks shit against every other Uber.

I bet you're the same guy who recommends AssVest Skuntank to take out Greninja.

>>29995869
Aegislash for sure. It's even better now and can threaten the Tapus with Flash Cannon. Pheromosa and Kartana will follow suit afterward.

>>29995869
Aegislash, Greninja, Pheromosa, and pretty much anyone else that was Ubers before.

>>29995640

Nope, they'll just cry "broken shouldn't check broken!" and kick half the tier to Ubers, including the Tapus.

>>29995899
That was the problem with Aegislash in gen 6. It kept so much broken garbage in check, which was cool and all, but it meant the meta revolved around it, and it trashed the viability of a bunch of otherwise balanced and decent pokemon.

It makes the meta stale because it checks so much stuff, and it always nukes something when it gets a free turn. It reduces the
>I want to try out a hail team to see if it's any good in SuMo
Aegikek
>I want to use any fairy type
Aegikek
>I want to use birbs
Aegikek
>literally 80% of pokemon
Aegikek

>>29996088
I like you

>>29996088
Oh, I'm not arguing that part. Aegi is probably going to be the first one to go, as even the Tapus will struggle with it by taking SE Flash Cannons to the face. Weird that one of the most powerful Pokemon of Gen 6 got buffed.

>>29995927
Talonflame was always OU, it never even got suspected.

>>29996086
>"broken shouldn't check broken!"
Which is a completely valid view, in meta with this stuff going on it greatly reduces variety in teambuilding.

Like in XY, step one of building a good team was "add Aegislash." It was boring as fuck.

>>29995869
basically nothing has changed for 99% of the things they brought down, there was no reason to do it
in fact most of them have even fewer checks than before due to nerfs to other things and the existence of terrains
but i guarantee that a good number of them will stick around for WAY too long because the staff facilitates bans according to their own personal whims

>>29996171
That's why I said "still". It's a joke because it's garbage now.

>>29996217
"Let's not suspect Stealth Rock at all, even if it has the biggest effect on battles so far. It's part of the meta!"

"We don't want to ban Drizzle, let's ban all the things that benefit from it."

"Scald? Nah, it's part of the game! Managing luck is important!"

"FUCKING BATON PASS SHIT IS BROKEN BAN IT BAN IT REEEEEEEE"

>>29996171
Talonflame was never broken, it was just situational good, once the bravest burd hype died down smogon burd was born, and by smogon bird we are talking about its defensive sets wich used Talonflame to its fullest.

>>29996088
thats what we call "overcentralizing" and why in gens prior to 5 things were suspect tested in the first place
not now though, brb banning wallbreakers because one of them killed my lando on the switch in

Unbans from ORAS

Aegislash
Genesect
Greninja
Hoopa-Unbound
Landorus
Mega Mawile (Mawilite)
Mega Sableye (Sablenite)
Soul Dew
Swagger

final list

>>29996088

Aegislash literally turned the tier into a Ground and Fire spamfest, Fighting and Psychic types were borderline unusable

>>29996346
"Unless Showderp is doing it with Funbro, stalling is a legitimate strategy! Which is why we'll have no issues whatsoever with Ferropex becoming an essential part of every OU Team ever!"

>>29996475
Ferropex gets cucked by Magnezone and MegaCham

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>>29996412
>Soul Dew

>>29996509
>what is smogonsword

>>29996521
It's shit now. I think it's a 1.25x boost to dragon and psychic moves

>>29996412
>tfw Soul Dew Latis are better than Mega Latis

>>29996521
Soul Dew was nerfed. 25% Boost instead of 50% so it's not broken anymore.

what's the point on making such drastic tier changes when the meta will be reset as soon as Sun & Moon goes live? Am I losing something?

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>>29996412
>Swagger
Looks like I'm avoiding Showdown for a while.

>>29996521
Soul Dew got nerfed to just providing boosts to Psychic/Dragon attacks, I think. Apparently Gamefreak finally realized giving them massive boosts with one held item was stupid, and that no one used the Mega Latis.

>>29996589
SM is live in a few places already, and it's not gonna hurt to only have OU/Ubers/AG until the meta is settled proper.

>>29996568
>>29996587
My b

Thought some retard with a fake list came on

>>29996521
Soul Dew was nerfed this gen.

>>29996088
The moral of the story is that if Gamefreak cared even one iota of turning Pokemon into an actual E-Sport, they'd make all Pokemon as good as Aegisslash

BUT NOPE

GOTTA HAND OUT GARBAGE MOVEPOOLS, GARBAGE ABILITIES AND GARBAGE BST WHENEVER WE CAN BECAUSE WE'RE IDIOTS

So what's OU:The Experience this gen?

>>29992806
Say, when is showdown gonna be updated?

>>29996704
Fucking love that meme

Someone more clever and better at OU than me needs to get on that

>>29996704
How the fuck would I know?

Meta's not even started yet

>>29996683
You sound mad your favourites got shat on

Electivire?

>>29996713
Soon™

>>29996775
My favorite Pokemon enjoys a secure niche and has remained fluctuating between OU and Ubers since the Generation it was introduced.

So you're projecting and defending Game Freak being shit at balance. Suck their dicks so more.

>>29992806
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw49mOVybuE

fuck off back to your cult brainwashed smogon sheep

>>29994576

If Blaziken didn't get unbanned in a meta that was dominated by Talonflame, then it never will.

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>>29996798

Real talk for a moment, the thing that annoys me the most about OU tiering is how Smogon is so inconsistent about banning philosophy. It really has come down to the point where it's just things that are favored by the staff (Stealth Rock, Drizzle) vs things that they hate (Baton Pass lol). Unless something is so prevalent that the entire userbase shits itself over (Aegislash), then they're content to just not do anything reasonable.

Reading Policy Discussion is always worth a few laughs, because formerly badged members are also fed up with the banning process.

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>Mega Sableye banned at almost the very fucking end of ORAS OU meta

Might be a little too late don't you think? Or do they just like acting retarded?

>>29995631
Seismic Toss, nigga.

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>smogonfags actually think their precious fansite is the authority on Pokemon and do whatever it tells them to

>>29997170
They never wanted to ban and harm stall

They only did it at the end to please people :^)

>>29997195
Unfortunately, Local Tourneyfags tend to play by Smogon Rules no matter the mode.

>>29996704

We gotta wait until OU's actually established first.

S&M is up on dev.psim.us

>>29997226

It's because an Official Singles Format doesn't exist, since Gamefreak/TPC abandoned it about 10 years ago.

>>29997332
But why?

>>29996606

Confusion was nerfed, you now only have a 1/3rd chance to hit yourself instead of it being 50/50.

>>29997348
Because it's long and boring as shit. Even Smogon matches can go on forever despite all the bans they've instituted.

Doubles is much faster because of the nature of it, and it's more entertaining to watch.

>>29997348
Singles is hideously slow.
Doubles 4v4 is fast.
VGC's all about being as fast as possible so everyone can just go home.

>>29997332
Official Singles exist, but it's 3v3.
It's also pure garbage, look at top ranked players and it's just Moody shit or other cancer.

>>29997348
Because all the moves that only have a purpose in Doubles are worthless
Even though 90% of battles in-game (esp Gym Leader and plot-important battles), almost all of the battles in the anime, and the general popular concept of Pokémon is 1v1

>>29996704
From what it seems, Ferropex + 1 Tapu + 3 unbaned Ubers.

>>29997195
it's even more hilarious when someone on their site declares a change to a move as "useless" or "pointless" because it doesn't affect their singles metagame. totally blind retards.

Isn't Darkrai coming to OU now that Dark Void is shit?

>>29997750
Dark Void is shit now, but his stats still make him too powerful for anyone in OU to take him on. He'll probably just be shit-tier Uber.

>>29997750
No. It shits on everything, and now Klefki can't even pull off a para now to stop a sweep.

>>29997750
Nope, look at that speed Stat look at that raw atk stat.

It's now immune to prankster twave.

Nope, nope, nope.

>>29992806
Why the fuck are they allowing a 720 BST mon with a crazy defensive typing back in OU?

>>29997654
Now tell me about how would you use spotlight in doubles?

>>29997898
Stats aren't all. Look at Kyurem B.

Aegislash is a Godlike pivot though.

>>29996606
Tapu Lele shuts Swagger down
Dark types are immune to Prankster moves (including swagger)
Confusion got nerfed

>>29997810
>>29997841
>>29997882

I see. I thought that the main problem with it was how bad was to get DV'd and losing HP because of its ability.

>>29996704
le tikis of balance

>>29997950
Darkrai's solid enough that it can Nasty Plot and sweep, it'll just be in Limbo where it's too good for OU but shit in Ubers.

>>29997170
Gen 6 OU will still exist and be playable. They manage and provide formats for every previous gen.

>>29997195
http://nuggetbridge.com/blogs/entry/1355-top-cut-teams-from-the-vgc16-regional-championships/

When the alternative is eating shit, you can't blame anyone.

>>29998097
Ugh...I'd take 10 fights in a row against gothitrap stall than VGC anytime of the week.

>>29997950
It still fucks up shit with its sanic speed, high special attack, and good coverage between Poison, Dark, and Fighting. Even without Dark Void, it can still fuck up regular checks with Will-O-Wisp and other utility attacks.

I'd say it'll be out of OU sooner or later.

>>29997898
Because we can't be 100% sure it's gonna be cancer in this meta, so we gotta make everyone suffer for several months until it is inevitably banned again.

At least they didn't repeat the same shit with Deo-S and D for a fourth (?) time.

What will a solid OU team look like this meta?
I mean Step 1 is to add Genesect Greninja Aegislash to the team roster. But then what? Ferrothorn Toxiapex Glicsor?
Xurk Pheromsa and a Tapu of Healthy Meta?
1 Genie of healthy meta, 1 Tapu of healthy meta and 1 flibeddy flobbedy ayylmao mon?

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>Aegislash back to OU

please no, not that

heck i can tolerate giratina over aegislash

>>29998222
Hyper Offensive looks like the current meta. Sazz is popular from what I'm seeing, as well as Koko.

>>29996171
but everyone is fine with lando because it keeps a bunch of broken shit in check

>Toxapex
>Tapu Bulu
>Heatran
>Smogonsword
>Lando-T
Good lord.

>>29998382
What a start to a wonderful meta, now just add Greninja to the team.

>>29998382
SD Air Ballon Drill Run Excadrill, Landorus I with HP Ice.

>>29998362
The difference is that lando-t isn't difficult to check in itself.

Here is my team.
>Toxapex
>Tapu Bulu
>Ferrothorn
>Gliscor
>Aegislash
>Lando-T

How cancer is this team out of 10?

>>29998442
the usage is still at like 70%? The thing is fucking retarded strong and fits onto every single team that isn't stall

Sun and Moon Smogon tiers don't mean shit right now. The games just came out and the meta hasn't been tested yet. I guarantee you Ghost Sword will still be Uber, thanks to the King Shield buff.

>>29998460
HP ice Landorus I.

Mega Beedril, offensive Heatran with hp ice.

SD Haxorus can deal enough to 2hko even with grassy terrain.

Freaking Vincune if your Aegislash lacks toxic.

LO mixtini.

Earth Power Kyurem B.

CB Rhyperior can even forego drill run and still use EQ, ice punch is mandatory though.

Ice fang head Smash DD Tyrantrum gives that core a run for its money, after a DD it can actually threathen Heatran despite grassy terrain and Aegislash dislikes the chip damage.

Im not even trying at this point.

>>29998460
not even chemo can help with this cancer/10

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>>29998607
That, and Grassy Terrain support means Earthquake isn't a reliable way to deal with it.

>mfw the first "competitive" team I'm gonna try is a rain team with Tapu Bulu and Aegislash

>>29996704
Tapus of healthy meta

>>29992806
You know who else is OU right now in S/M Tiers? Decidueye, Incineroar, and Primarina.

Tiers don't mean shit right now you fucking retard. The metagame needs at least a few months to become balanced.

>Pelipper
>Tapu Koko
>Greninja-Protean
>Scarfed Xurkitree
>Aegislash


What would be a good pokemon to help round it all out? I know it should be something with a good Mega, but no clue what'd fit.

whats the best nature for genesect?

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Why isn't Darkrai unbanned?

Dark Void got nerfed so what is there for him to do but attack?

>>29998741
Swampert?

>>29998803
It still has really good stats.

>>29998803
He has 135 SpA and 125 Spd.
That is still monster sweeper stats right there.

>>29996704
Tapu's and Genies

>>29998854
>3 tapus and 3 genies

great team right there

name one counter :^)

>>29998803
Because he'd still annihilate half the meta with his stats+movepool?

>>29998909
Life

heres my team

tapu bulu
landerous I
tapu koko
thunderous
tapu lele
tornadus

Gonna try
Mega Metagross
Toxapex
Tapu Bulu
Aegislash
Lando-T
Hydreigon

Here's my team:
Primarina
Toucannon
Mudsdale
Togedemaru
Mimikyu
I didn't have anyone for the last slot I so I use Lunala

Stall attempt 1:
Mega-Sab
Ferro
Toxapex
Clefable

Not sure how to round this out. I'd love pointers.

>>29998222
I think adding at least on Tapu to your team guarantees you have some solid backbone to your team

Koko's sanic fast and hits hard, Fini tanks hits well ala Suicune, Lele can fuck off, and Bulu's providing defensive support while hitting like a mechanical one

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