>no 120 BP ghost move >no 120 BP dark move >no

>>29967526
>no 120 BP fairy move
Thank god for that

>>29967526
>Shadow force
>Iron ball boosted fling
>Adaptability boosted hp fairy :^)

>>29967526
Hyper Voice Pixelated

>>29967526
>no 120 BP fairy move

Well, there is 140 BP Fairy-type attack Light of Ruin.

>>29967526
>he hasn't heard about power trip

>>29969452
>He doesn't know about the -ate nerf

>>29967526
Well there's Light of Ruin and Fleur Cannon, which are basically fairy type Brave Bird and Overheat

>>29971353
How bad is it?
Am I going to have to run moonblast?

>>29967526
Technically, there is giratina's Shadow Force

>>29967586
light of ruin

>>29971740
No, Hyper Voice is still better, just weaker than before. 1.2x bonus instead of 1.3x with -ate abilities.

>>29971792
That's not that bad at all. It doesn't seem like it really hurts the users too badly, right? Pixelate Hyper Voices/Aerialate Returns and Double Edges are still going to put out shit tons of damage.

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>>29967526
The strongest Z-moves from mentioned types are Phantom Force/Foul Play/Moon Blast, all with 175 power.
Every other type has 200-190 power Z-moves available.

>>29972014
>Every other type has 200-190 power Z-moves available.
What happens with Z-Explosion?

>>29967526
Forget strong fairy move, where the fuck is the weaker physical Fairy attack that pokemon can use early in the game?

>>29972096
200 bp

>>29972096
200 BP and doesn't kill you

>>29973275
>>29973310
>Z-Explosion is weaker than the original
Kind of sad it caps at 200

Actually, for Sylveon and Aurorus, how does Z-Normal move work? Does it become a fairy/ice move?