>See people saying they got banned >Go online to check

>>29953492
It's only a 2 week ban.
eShop and Miiverse however are permanent. Not like they matter anyway if you have freeshop

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>Steals a game
>Goes online
>expects nothing to happen

>>29953511
Pirating is not stealing you stupid Nintencocksucker.

>>29953994
yes the fuck it is. the game costs money. you are illegally downloading it for free.
>not stealing
kys

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>>29953994

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>>29953994
And owls aren't birds.

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>>29953994
>Pirating is not stealing

>see people saying people are being banned
>open up 3ds
>banned
>doorbell rings
>check door
>it's the feds

what do

>>29954035
>implying pirates are birds

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>>29954057
>implying birds are birds

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>>29953994

>>29954018
Is it there a game missing on a shelf because I have it installed? NO
Did anyone got their game stolen? NO
Was I going to buy the game before pirating it? NO
So did anyone lose money? NO

PIRATING IS NOT STEALING

So what actually happens if I get banned and why should I care?
Freeshop is still accessible anyway

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>>29954091
>did anyone lose money? NO

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>>29953994
>Pirating isn't stealing

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>>29954091
>being this retarded

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>>29953994
>Pirating is not stealing

>>29954120
It's true if you were never going to buy it in the first place

>>29953505
Splatoon was also merely a 15 day ban but was changed to permanent right before it expired.

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>>29953994
>pirating is not stealing
>use or reproduce (another's work) for profit without permission, usually in contravention of patent or copyright.
>rob or plunder

>>29953994
>>29954091
Pirating is stealing and you stand in absolutely no moral highground to defend it, i do it too but i am aware that its stealing

>>29954160
DELET

Someone screencap this thread

>>29954091
>There are people who believe this shit
I guess printing money is also legal then.

>>29953994
>>29954091
>He doesn't know what copyright is

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>>29954177
>for profit
a-are piratefags getting paid?

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Did the same, didn't get banned

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>>29954186
Someone just put me in the screencap

>>29954192
You should look up what the federal Reserve can do.

>>29953994
They're too busy gloating to have any knowledge of American law, anon. Let them be retarded.

>>29953505

>>29953511

how they can tell if this is not just early copy?

>>29954210
It's either or.
>Use
OR
>Reproduce for profit
I doubt most pirates here are smart enough for the latter.

>>29954210
even if youre not getting paid you still stole a licensed product

>>29954120
>>29954137
>>29954141
>Oh shit he's right
>Better pull out an epic reaction image!

>>29954209
>Apples are the same as oranges!

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If pirating is stealing then I'm a thief and couldn't care less
Shit's expensive as fuck in my country, but even if it was cheap like in the US and in europe I would probably still steal, stay mad buytards

>>29954091
your entitlement is pretty fucking hilarious desu
unless you plan to buy the game legit, you are directly affecting the sales (negatively) and therefore are stealing, because you are playing the game without paying for it

>no proof of ban in the thread
Every time

>>29954209
Copyright violations are civil cases. Meaning they're not treated the same as things covered by actual criminal law, such as theft. They're arbitrated in different courts and have different punishments (for example, you can't go to jail for this or get a criminal record.)

>>29954246
Because they can check if it's digital or not.
Early copies and review copies are physical, so if you use a digital one before it's available in the eshop you have outed yourself.

>>29954288
Gateway wins again

>>29954278
You aren't affecting the sales at all if you were never going to buy the game, retard.

I guess all those people who don't play pokemon at all are also affeting the sales negatively, huh?

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>>29954141
>>29954123
>>29954120
>>29954079
>>29954071
>>29954036
>>29954024

nice try samefag

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>>29953994
New meme?

>>29953994
>Pirating is not stealing
Nice

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Does anyone have that comic about the guy copying a bike and saying its not stealing?

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>>29954317
Lmao

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>>29953994
here's your (You) you dense twat

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>muh is steal
>no no is steal
>is steal!!!!
Implying any piratefag cares about something as meaningless as terminology

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>>29954317
kek

So are people banned or not? I want to know if preloaders win again.

>>29954366
None of thee people gloating even understand how theft is defined under the law. It's just ridiculous. It's like watching a bunch of children.

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>>29954346
>look mom I can Right Click > Inspect element i'm such a hacker

Piracy is not stealing. If you think so, you are a child who has no concept of the law in this country. It is punished differently and treated in the eyes of the law differently.

>>29954384
Some people who went online got a 2 week ban.

Basically the only who lost are the retarded ones

>>29954242
Nah, that'd take too much work.

Besides, if you are pointing out what I think you're pointing out, I meant "counterfeiting".

>>29954317
I'd post a screenshot, but three out of those are proven to not be me, so I won't bother.

>>29954263
calls us superior country living buyers buytards. enjoy living in your shitty 4th world country.

>make a copy of <thing>
>OH EM GEE, YOU STOLE THE <THING>!
are you people genuinely retarded?

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>>29953492
How's your day going OP?

>>29954259
Are you pay to play that game? No. So someone lose money, faggot.

>b-but I paid for another game!
Pay two games and play two games. If you just pay one and plays two, Nintendo loose money and you're a tief

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>>29954397
>Right click
>Inspect element
>On a phone

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>>29954259
Oh yes, he's definitely right. Because "pirating" is spelled differently than "stealing" isn't it? So it's not the same isn't it?

>>29954466
You are 12 years old. Admit it.

>>29954466
>Are you going to buy a car, anon?
>No, not really
>OMG STOP STEALING MONEY FROM MERCEDES BENZ!

This is how retarded you are.

>>29953994
Hahaha I know right?
Just like printing your own money to buy shit isn't illegal right? Hahaha you tell em!

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>>29954317
>>29954397
You have no idea about how take a minute to reposting here, right?

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>>29954505
------------- the point ------------->

your fucking thick head

>>29954486
The law also defines them differently, anon. Piracy is considered a violation of copyright law (specifically it's generally illegal reproduction without permission), not larceny.

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>>29953994
Not gonna act like I don't pirate things but you have to be an idiot to actually think this

>>29954472
That is biased more towards the pirates' side.
Is that wrong? I couldn't care less.
What I do know is that one should not own what one does not pay for.

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>>29954320
New meme.

>>29954542
>What I do know is that one should not own what one does not pay for.
Even if I built it myself?

>>29954541
See >>29954539

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>there's 7 threads on this alone

Do you people not understand you guys broke street date or something and are currently in the process of doing an illegal action in the company's eyes? Did your FEMA-loving parents ever teach you the the concept of 'doing something that you know is wrong is still wrong'? Holy shit.

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You are now aware this entire thread is full of kids who have been brainwashed by the pirating adds they have on before their precious Disneys frozen DVD starts during breakfast every morning

>thank you young goyim for your hard earned shekels. Here are some 1s and 0s

>>29954511
If you can't see the difference between those two things you then are legitimately retarded.

>>29954530
Happens when your point makes literally 0 sense

>>29954152
Still that's untrue. It's like stealing a TV from Best Buy and saying "it's not a loss for them because I would never have bought it anyway"

>>29954567
>illegal action in the company's eyes

all the copyrighted photos on this site are also doing the same. Why do you not care about that?

>>29954592
This is wrong. Any physical object comparison will always be a false equivalency.

>>29954581
Too full of themselves and busy gloating to actually think.

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>people falling this hard for a bait

>>29954630
>copyrighted photos
where they at tho

>>29954630
There's kind of a big difference between images of Pokemon and actually connecting to the server with, as of right now, illegal copies of a game not yet distributed? That should be a little obvious?

>>29954592
Not really because Best Buy still has the TV
It's like if piracy was made impossible all of a sudden and he was just like "oh well, won't be playing this game then" and move on with life. Nintendo didn't lose a cent from him but didnt gain any either.
Whereas in the scenario in which he pirated Nintendo doesn't lose anything and doesn't gain anything either. In other words it makes no difference to Nintendo whether he pirated it or not.

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>>29954539
That, I admit that I do not know.

But illegal is illegal anyway, otherwise no one will get in trouble.

But I'll admit to that: Pirating is not stealing. legally speaking.

The funny thing that I used to think of piracy this way, but then I stopped being a shitty teenager and got a real job where I make money and can afford things I want.

Paying for things is only a problem when you're already a useless drain on society. Justify it however you like, but really, shouldn't you be in school right now?

>>29954587
If you somehow think your line of thinking is actually correct, you are the reason America isn't great anymore
Kill yourself to help America great again

>>29953994
some would say copyright infringement

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>>29953994
>Pirating is not stealing
>you stupid Nintencocksucker

>>29954630
>information can't be stolen
And corporate espionage doesn't exist, right?

>>29954635
Too full of themselves and busy gloating to actually think.

>>29954710
See >>29954539

>>29954679
You casually ignore the possibility that, if piracy were impossible, he might have purchased the game.

>>29954563
If you built it for yourself, then by extension, you pay for those materials. In other words, it's yours.

Where are you going with this though? I'm genuinely intrigued; you at least didn't go... like most anon here.

>>29954719
Copyright infringement=/=corporate espionage.

>>29954706
Wasting money on luxury items that can be downloaded for free =/= being a responsible adult

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>>29954710
>not having the hq screenshot

It's your fault for not using citra,kek.

Myself i played like 5 minutes of sm in citra to try the game,and that's it.
Then i unistalled the emulator and deleted the game because im a buyfag and i hate pirating,however i've waited 10 months so i wanted to try the game just 5 minutes.

and Guess what? Now i'll buy the game the 18th,and i'll go to the midnight release and having fun with my friends.

Piratefags BTFO

>>29954719
>corporate espionage
>espionage
Maybe, just maybe, you are mixing concepts here.

>>29954761
>then by extension, you pay for those materials
This motherfucker thinks you can't find wood just lying around the forest.

>Where are you going with this?
Picking at retarded shit you said.

>>29954581
I pirate shit all the time and I'm not going to pretend that it isn't stealing. I don't get you people that need to justify this shit and act all superior. Just accept that it's technically wrong and no one will care. But don't pretend it's 100% innocent or whatever. We steal, who cares, don't be an ass

>>29954539
>Piracy is considered a violation of copyright law (specifically it's generally illegal reproduction without permission), not larceny.

Are you fucking retarded?

>>29954679
This logic is retarded, if he didn't want it he wouldn't have pirated it. If you want it you buy it, you can't just claim "oh I wouldn't have bought it anyway" when your decision not to buy it is made on the assumption you can pirate.

>people don't know how to circumvent 3DS bans

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>>29954796
>discussion of information theft
I dunno, seems relevant to me, boss.

>>29954745
Read >>29954152

I skipped XY and countless other games I wanted to pay because piracy wasn't mature yet
When piracy on 3DS became viable was the only time I started playing 3DS games (didn't play XY yet to this date, since I read it's bad anyway)

You're ignoring the established premise that if there's no piracy you're just not gonna buy it

>>29954802
Piracy is legally defined as copyright violation, not theft. Learn your legal system.

>>29954806
>Knowing the law makes you retarded.
>Meanwhile spamming reaction images at someone who said something technically correct does not.

>>29954826
>for use by a competitor

Did you just ignore this part of the definition?

>>29954259
>>29954244
>>29954388
>>29954417
>>29954539
>>29954581
>>29954587
Piracy is stealing. It is not, however, theft. Learn the difference.

>>29954807
Not really, I haven't played a single playstation 3 game yet because there's no piracy for it.
And there's several PS3 games that I would play

You're basing yourself on the assumption that everyone is a child without self-control that will waste their hard earned money uncontrollably because they can't live without playing a video game

If piracy isn't viable, I just skip it, simple

>>29953994
>there are actual retards itt that think pirating isn't stealing

you are using a product without paying, that costs money. who gives a shit if you never planned to buy it (as if you can plan, you have to beg mommy for money), that's one game Nintendo made zero profit from. you stole. own up to it, fatass.

>>29954862
Copyright violation is not legally considering 'stealing'. Sorry bro.

>>29954846
I didn't say it was identical, now did I? It is, however, relevant:
>theft of trade secrets
>hurrdurr it's not stealing because Nintendo still has the game
So, too, would the original company still have their trade secrets.

>>29954840
No you're fucking retarded. And I'm not even using a reaction image.
>"I-It's not theft guys. I'm not stealing the product I'm only copying it for my own personal use."

>>29954862
>Theft
>The action or crime of stealing

retard.

>>29954505
>>29954587


It is hard to talk about a car stolen vs a non-physical object being pirated. If a car is stolen it is obviously there. You just got one without permission and without paying. You stole it. So the company lost money because you didn't pay for it.

But let's talk about something more similar like pirating a Movie. A new Movie JUST came out, still in theaters (or maybe not even in them yet like this game.) Yet you go online, watch it. Now, even if you didn't like the movie, the people who made the movie LOSE money because you didn't PAY to see it. So now they make less money for their work than they would have if you didn't pirate it. It is not the exact same thing as stealing, but you are making other people lose money for the work they put into something.

>>29954840
Once again: acting superior by pretending as if you're a lawyer. This is why I mean.
>"You're all idiots learn the Law"
Eitherway if legally call it larceny or pirating, you're still doing something seen as wrong. Grow the fuck up and admit it. I've come to terms with being a thief and I don't fucking care

>>29954878
I only bought my N3DS this summer because piracy was possible. If it wasn't, Nintendo would have never got my money.

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>mfw salty, whining bannedfags trying to be calm, composed legalfags to defend themselves, claiming the "moralfags" are the morons and they're the geniuses

what the FUCK is going on and how did it all come to this

why are the periods before a release so fucking excruciating

you guys have only yourselves to blame at this point, claim innocence and post damage control all you want but just realize what the hell you've actually done

>>29954304
Oh right because people lurking on a niche hardcore Pokemon forum who are so desperately impatient they can't wait till the release date "were never going to buy the game".

>>29954883
However, piracy does fall under the definition of the word "stealing."

You're looking at one legal definition of "theft" and declaring that it is the only possible meaning of the word "steal." However, nobody here has invoked the American legal system except for you, and nobody had brought up the word "theft" before you. They're different words, with different nuances and meanings.

Piracy and copyright violation may not be theft, but they do fall within the definition of the word "stealing."

>>29954907
No said it's not wrong you retard
Yes piracy is wrong whatever poor papa Masuda-senpai :(

But piracy still isn't stealing nor is it theft

>>29954887
The legal definitions are being explained to you. If you think that's retarded, take it up with the US justice system.

>>29954907
>you're still doing something seen as wrong
And? That doesn't mean you can equate different crimes entirely. That's like calling graft stalking.

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PIRACY IS STEALING. YOU STOLE SOMETHING THAT WASN'T RELEASED YET. You can't keep justifying it even if there is a difference between theft and fucking taking licensed merchandise without permission.

>>29953492
>Log into an unreleased online service before release date

>Not playing with internet disabled

>>29954900
>square
>is a rectangle
Dumb motherfucker, all rectangles must necessarily be squares

>>29954903
No one loses money if you weren't planning on seeing that movie in the theatre or buying it in the first place.

>>29954881
That's also a game Nintendo lost zero profit from

>>29953994
It's still illegal, numb nuts

>>29954933
The only usage that matters is legal. Not your colloquialisms.

>>29954800
>This motherfucker thinks you can't find wood just lying around the forest
You can, but that's quite the broad scope.
I was under the impression you were talking about building a computer or such, so...
>Picking at retarded shit you said
I'm at fault for this then.

Piracy is still piracy anon

You can say it is not really stealing but that doesn't make it any better.
Rape is not murder
theft is not arsony

Just because Piracy isn't stealing doesn't it legal or morally fine.

>>29954903
>the people who made the movie LOSE money because you didn't PAY to see it.

This is wrong because there is no guarantee the person would have paid to see the movie otherwise. Even when movies leak early online, they still make a lot of money. You would have to survey each person who didn't see it to find out the reason why they didn't go. Just because someone watches something for free doesn't mean they would pay for it. This is an assumption made by the entertainment industry to justify their falling numbers. They blame it all on piracy rather than their own inability to get people to go out to the theater.

Am I safe if I never went online?

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>>29954091
I pirate all the time and even I think its stealing. Not that I have the morality to give a fuck.

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>>29954900
Oh, dictionary definitions are valid, now?

Then copyright violation is stealing.

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>Go online to check if true

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>>29954938
Oh i'd be more then happy to explain this to any court system and see you walk away with a smug grin on your face as two police officers drag you into a cell with a big fat black guy with a giant cock fucking you in the ass and smothering shit on your face while you still keep that smug ass attitude.

>>29954977
>moving the goal posts

No said piracy isn't wrong

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>>29954907
>stop acting superior for knowing things i don't know!
>stop proving me wrong!
>im still right because i said so!
>WAAH WAAH!
this fucking thread
holy shit

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Not trying to justify things or claim we are actually totally innocent.
But in a way, we are being punished for Nintendo's incompetence.
Why did they have to release the game early?

Fuck them. Never buying from them again. I wish I could cancel my preorder.

>>29954928
I'm not banned. I'm not a retard who went online.

>>29955001

Whats the matter, mommy wont drive you to gamestop?

>>29954935
>piracy isn't stealing
You're taking something that you can only legally obtain via a cash transaction for free. I know that legally they have different technical names, but they're still a basic related concept of stealing

>>29954999
No one*

>>29954999
Then what does Piracy isn't theft mean?
What are they saying with that?

Isn't that implying it is morally or legally okay?
Otherwise it just means nothing.

>>29954972
>The only usage that matters is legal.
Actually, decidedly not true. The issue at hand is the policies and decisions made by a private company, not a government agency. The American legal definition is frivolous and irrelevant--doubly so since the company in question isn't based in America.

>>29954120
They lost the money that you would pay were you to obtain the game legit.

>>29954160
When did this happen? Over what? I used to play Splatoon a shitton but haven't played it in a while.

>>29954998
>two police officers drag you into a cell
Copyright infringement is punished with fines, not prison time. You can only go to prison if you refuse to pay the fine.

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>mfw I don't even own a 3DS because poorfag so I'm fine and just watching the chaos between wannabe lawyers and frustrated people trying to explain things to them unfold

Read a fucking book people

Come on /vp/, make your best food analogy about piracy

>>29954018
>>29954035
>>29954036
>>29954123
>>29954177
>>29954244
>>29954337
>>29954357
>>29954511
>>29954541
>>29954710
Not the guy you're quoting, but.

NO, PIRATING IS NOT STEALING. You can argue both are "evil" on the same moral, ethical and judicial grounds, but those are different concepts.

Stealing: when you grab property of another person and you don't intend to return it. By the "return" part, it is quite obvious the concept applies only to physical goods.

Pirating: when you copy something without authorization from the owner of the intellectual property.

For example, imagine Alice is writing a novel, and she stores a copy on a CD-R. Then Bob comes in, grabs the CD and makes a copy. Grabbing the CD is theft/stealing, not piracy; and copying the content is piracy, not theft.

(And for the fuckhead who did this analogy: no, printing money is not stealing either. And it'll get you jailed far easier than just stealing.)

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>>29953994
I like your bait. So have a (you)

>>29955000
>stop acting superior for knowing things i don't know!
Except I do know. And we've all been so kindly reminded by you anyway it'd be hard to forget.

All I'm saying is to stop pretending you're perfectly innocent. Is that so hard?

>>29955030
Who knows? It's still a valid correction

Maybe it could mean that pirating is not as bad as actually stealing
Piracy is not murder, I would correct you if you said Piracy == Murder
Even though they're both wrong

>>29954945
PIRACY IS MURDER. YOU MURDERED SOMETHING THAT WASN'T RELEASED YET. You can't keep justifying it even if these two things are completely different because i said so.

>>29955034
If the company wanted to punish you for anything beyond a violation of their TOS, they'd have to do so within your nation. So yes, the legal definition matters.

They obviously won't, though.

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>>29955067
>without authorization
isn't that technically stealing tho

>>29955050
>Implying you're going to pay the fine when you didn't pay for the game.

You're a slime ball and I hope you don't leave your house you human leech.

>>29955030
It's more on the "morally grey" area if you ask me.

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>>29955067

>>29954091
>Was I going to buy the game before stealing it? NO
(You)'re legally retarded. That's the only legal part here buddy.

>>29954935
>>29954965
>>29954982
>>29954938


You should never run a business because you don't understand the concept of Potential Money.

So let me make it easy for you to understand. If you run a Burger Shop and across the street is another Burger Shop. If someone chooses the OTHER burger shop over yours you just LOST Potential Money you COULD have made. So you lose money.

Though this situation is more like, You drive a bus. It costs money to get on the bus and be driven to the other stops. If someone doesn't pay to get on the bus and ride then you LOSE money. It doesn't matter if you were going to their stop to drop other people who already paid off there. You aren't losing your time or effort on them because you were going to do that anyhow. BUT you still lose the money they SHOULD have paid.

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>>29955088
>Why doesn't everyone else steal like me

>>29955067
You have mixed up the definition of "theft"--which is legally defined as "covering a variety of specific types of stealing"--and "stealing" itself. "Theft" consists of a subset of the types of "stealing." "Theft" does not include "piracy," because it is not part of that subset, but "piracy" is still one of the types of "stealing."

Piracy is stealing, but is not theft. This really isn't that complicated.

>>29955063
Get a fucking job poorfag.

>>29955106
>paying for a video game is the same as paying not to be arrested

Not him but I lol'd

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>all these analogies being tossed around
why

So did anyone actually get banned or is this just an elaborate bait thread?
I disabled my 3DS's wifi in fear of this happening but didn't actually think they'd do anything.

>>29955066
It's like macaroni and syrup instead of cheese.
I don't like it so it's wrong and bad.

>>29953994
>>29954091
Holy shit. I knew piratefags are fucking idiots but you're taking it to a new level.

>>29955105
Following this same [stupid] logic, sending you a "fuck you" is stealing since you didn't give me authorization to send it to you.

Fuck you.

>>29955106
I'd just file bankruptcy assuming the fine is a punitive one and not a reasonable one. I'd pay anything I could afford. Not ideal but hey.

Also, you wouldn't end up in the same jail as violent offenders. You're not in prison with a bunch of Bubbas, you're in there with other white collar criminals who committed something like fraud at worst.

>>29955066
Piracy is like stealing the recipe instead of stealing the actual food

>>29955150
if you're a person who can't pay the fine then you go to jail for not paying it. If you steal something that wasn't meant to be taken its stealing.

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>>29955124
Burger analogy

>>29955124
If Nintendo's potential money is slipping out of their hands it's because of their inability to get piratefags to buy the games. Pirating is a consecuence of this, not the cause.

>>29955166
>implying macoroni and syrup isnt fucking disgusting
seriously, have you ever even tried it? Not only does the flavor and texture go horribly with macaroni, but then you spend 5 minutes after every bite trying to get all the crap off the roof of your mouth. You're a fucking idiot if you actually consider that an enjoyable meal.

>>29955178
>sending you a "fuck you" is stealing since you didn't give me authorization to send it to you.
analogies can't be your only defense

>>29954444
If I can't copy&paste an entire Wikipedia article for a college essay, you shouldn't copy games illegally.

>>29955141
If you want to drag the legal definition of theft into it, you have to realize there's no legally defined 'stealing' category.

>>29955180
Buddy. You have a sugar coated view of the world. Even prison guards will abuse inmates. No wonder you steal shit without worrying about consequences.

le put le me in le ebin screencap XD

>>29955165
Some do in fact got banned; it has spread far more than just /vp/ in fact.

>>29955204
I have money to buy the game but I don't pay for it because I can get away easily and effortlessly

Escaping a fine is not the same so of course I'd pay the fine

Do you pirate the porn you watch? Or do you pay for porn?

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>>29953994
>pirating is not stealing

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I'm just going to leave this here

https://youtu.be/HmZm8vNHBSU

So wait, does the game automatically go online at any point if you don't have the wireless disabled?
I checked for a mystery gift a couple days ago and I don't think I'm banned yet.

>>29955067
If you want to be so picky about definitions I can do the same.

So according to your definition it's not stealing if I take a DVD from a store without paying as long as I plan to eventually return it to the shelf.

>>29955239
>Even prison guards will abuse inmates.
You mentioned being raped by a cell mate, anon. Stop moving goalposts.

You also don't find much serious abuse by prison guards in white collar jails. Stop watching Oz and thinking that applies to some minimum security joint.

>>29954982
Theaters are actually the least profitable part of a movie release. Filmmakers used to make most of their money on DVDs until piracy and online streaming came along.

>>29955269
Stealing would be if after I got it you faggot wouldn't be able to play yours.

Which isn't the case.

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>>29955190
>

>>29955255
>paying for porn when it's literally fucking everywhere for free without pay requirements
where the fuck do you live

>>29955275
No one said it's not a crime, just that it's not stealing
You're not going to jail for piracy but you might go for stealing, depending on the law of your country
Stop being retarded

>>29953505
This.
And even if somehow it does turn out to be permanent, you were a retard if you risked going online with your main 3DS anyways.

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>>29955124
>im selling buttscratchers for 1 dollar each
>there exist 7 billion people in the world
>none of them bought my buttscratcher
>i just lost 7 billion dollars by doing nothing
ain't capitalism amazing?

>>29955210

>Ignoring the point and throwing insults because otherwise I have to realize I'm wrong.

>>29955140
Not telling everyone to steal. Just saying that if you do, don't pretend it's not stealing

>>29953994
+1 to (You) count
No contribution
Laughter only
Final destination

>>29955279
I think they just started banning people today because nobody had pointed it out yet, so you're probably good

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>>29953492
>BULLSHIT
>do something wrong and getting punished is bull shit

alright ok

>>29955304
>paying for porn when it's literally fucking everywhere for free without pay requirements

>paying for video-games when it's literally fucking everywhere for free without pay requirements

Woaaah
Is availability the actual problem then?
How many goalposts are you idiots gonna move?

>>29955067
This is irrelevant to the actual point, though. Let's go back to >>29953511
>Steals a game
>Goes online
>expects nothing to happen

To which the response was >>29953994
>Pirating is not stealing you stupid Nintencocksucker.

It's clearly intended as a refutation, an argument that nothing SHOULD have happened because "Piracy is not stealing." However, even if we accept that piracy is not stealing which it is and make the requisite changes...

>Illicitly obtains game in a manner that denies the producer sales money
>Connects to the producer's servers before legitimate game owners could do so
>expects nothing to happen

It's still a valid point.

Sooo, will you get banned even if you went online just once? Is the ban forever? Cause I've been seeing some people say they're getting "15 day bans"

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>Just went on the eShop even though I checked for a mystery gift in Moon
>I'm not banned
Damn, it feels good to not be an idiot.

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>>29953994

r/4chan here we come

What we know so far:

- users reported on this forum having error 0002-0102 (It started on February 4th)
- Affected users can't access Online or Friend list.
- Affected users can still access eShop and download updates.
- Error 0002-0102 info page on nintendo has two version (after different refresh) : one with "it's a router/access point issue" and one with "if you are still experiencing this error, contact us!".
- Wii ban code is 20102
- console without NNID account affected too ? (who tested/reported that?)
- Users tried to connect two consoles on the same access point at the same time : one got the error, one worked online -> it's not an access point issue.
- Users called nintendo, been told that it was a ban due to the use of unofficial product/modification/flashcart -> no fix will be done. (unless there's proof he didn't pirate, sending front and back of all his games)
- Two users reported on February 20th that they can connect again and don't have the error anymore.

- The current ban has a 15 days automatic ban lift.
- all banned users have been unbanned after 15 day.
- If you have Error 022-2812 you're fucked and your console is perma blacklisted

Basically wait 15 days, if you're still not unbanned that means Ninty placed both bans on you (only the most recent ban error will appear) for shits and giggles.

>>29955346
The difference is that people produce free pornography and make it available without ever expecting sales revenue. Most porn sites are driven by advertising revenue, instead.

So, no, the industries are not comparable.

>>29955347
How do you know it's a refutation and not a simple correction?
Also which country do you live in where piracy and theft are the same?
If you download pokemon_fire_red.gba and steal a car you're both responding for the same crime? Top lol

>>29955397
pretty much this, they do it for free

Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony/Sega/whoever, doesn't

>>29955350
OP got banned for going online during the ban wave, so yes?

Speaking of which, what was the point of this thread again?

>>29955350
>Infringes on Nintendo's copy right law, basically the same thing as stealing, but piratefags get triggered when you call them out on it.
>Expects not to be banned forever or close enough to forever.

So do the bans happen when you go online on SuMo, or when you go online in general?

>>29955237
>you have to realize there's no legally defined 'stealing' category
Which is why it was retarded for that one guy to start bringing in the legal definition of theft. Nobody brought up theft before him--only stealing.

>>29953994
le put me in the screencap xD

>>29955400
>Also which country do you live in where piracy and theft are the same?
He didn't say theft. He said stealing. See >>29955141

>>29955218
Getting piraters toGetting piraters to buy stuff isn't going to likely happen. And honestly, nothing I say would change them so I don't care. It just bothers me if someone who IS pirating thinks they are not doing something wrong. If you are doing something wrong man up and stop trying to shift the blame or make excuses for yourself. If you are doing something wrong and are willing to admit it, you are a much better person.

>banning emunand
WOAH
SO
DANGEROUS

>>29955453
I'm not triggered at all, I'm just curious to know what's gonna happen. I played Monster Hunter X online before release, and absolutely nothing happened to me.

>>29955489
Literally nobody said that pirating isn't wrong. Just that pirating =/= stealing

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>>29953994
>Pirating is not stealing

>>29955453
>basically the same thing as stealing
You're really jumping through hoops now.

>>29954055
you lost your 3ds in a boating accident, stick to that.

>>29955500
>I played Monster Hunter X online before release
Before japanese release?

>>29955104
The legal definition could matter in that case, but we aren't discussing that case, so the legal definition remains irrelevant.

If they consider it stealing, and punish you according to their policies on stealing, their definition is what matters.

>>29955067
The owls aren't birds thing was a joke. Just like your fucking opinion.

>>29955316

Getting all Potential Money is impossible. But it is about getting what you CAN get.

If the most you CAN get in a day is 100 pounds and you end the day with 50 then there MUST be a way you can get more.

That can mean, add Bonuses to your service/product, increasing advertising, or forcing people who aren't paying to pay. You make what you can. Maybe this will only increase you to 51 but that is better than 50.

Scenario A.

You just spent hours resetting until you finally got the shiny legendary Pokemon you've wanted for years. You invite your friend over to show him. You leave him alone with your 3DS to use the bathroom. After your friend leaves, you check your Pokemon Boxes and find out he traded the shiny legendary to his game.

Scenario B:
Same as A but when you check your 3DS, your shiny is still there. However when you go to school the next day, all your friends have the same shiny legendary with your OT ID. Your friend copied your legendary and gave it away to everyone without your permission.

In which scenario was your pokemon stolen? A or B?

>>29955488
Doesn't change the argument
They're still different crimes

Piracy is not Stealing
Both are wrong, both are crimes
Goodbye this thread's gone boring

>>29955218
>people stealing shit is caused by Nintendo being unable to stop people from stealing shit
Congrats, you just invented DRM.

>>29955601
>tfw I have no friends
feels bad man

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>>29955453
>piratefags get triggered when you call them out on it.
immediately >>29955529

fanfuckingtastic

>>29955559
They consider it a TOS violation.

>>29954288
On top of this, everyone using the same cia has the same software code for their game, which should normally be unique for every copy.

>>29955518
My bad if I misinterpreted, but it came off as people thinking that pirating wasn't wrong and just saying it isn't stealing, which it isn't, was just to make them feel better about themselves.

>>29953994
It's still fraud and you're still retarded.

>>29955675
I do not think pirating anything is wrong. Copyrighting is a ridiculous concept supported by a corrupt system.

>>29955601
Anon. I don't care if I have a box full of the same shiny legendary.
If you take my shit without my permission, it's stealing. Even if you duplicate it, it was mine to begin. You didn't trade me, you didn't ask me, and you didn't even finger my asshole in the bathroom.
It's stealing.

>>29955601
Both :^) >>29954989

>>29955608
It does change the argument, because the statement was "Piracy is not stealing"--not "Piracy is not theft."

Piracy is absolutely a form of stealing. It is not a legally-defined form of theft--however, theft is legally defined as "specific types of stealing." Piracy is one of the types of stealing that is excluded from the legal definition of theft.

Your refusal to acknowledge the difference between "theft" and "stealing"--while using the definition of the former to make statements about the latter--makes it clear that you lack both an argument and a fundamental understanding of the topics that you're trying to discuss.

>>29953994
>people still buying Porkyman SuMo
I'm surprised you haven't fully moved yet.

>>29955608
>Goodbye this thread's gone boring

>trying to forcibly end the argument and get the last word
>on 4chan

>>29955663
The header? Digital copies of the game don't have unique ones.

However that fact does let them determine reviewer hard copies from the pirated copies, because the digital version isn't out yet. Once that's released they won't be able to tell which ones are legal.

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>>29955310
Because I guess the video wasn't enough.

>https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft

>>29954091
You know you're stealing you're just a butthurt faggot

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This whole thread is glorious. All the "pirating is not stealing" coming up with the worst analogies while being BTFO even before they have posted.

Thank you /vp/. I though we couldnt top "implying owls are birds" before the game was released.

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>>29955703
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlY-0tjXHWk

>>29953994
Include me into the screencap

>>29954210
You get the free commodities, thats the profit you retard. Are you so dumb you only understand concrete concepts?

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>>29955772
>implying it's not

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>>29955751
>he doesnt know what plagiarism is
>he doesnt understand that pirating is not plagiarism

>>29955785
>Underage who's never taken economics

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>>29953994
Buying is still stealing.

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>>29955813

>>29955785
Is pirating a million copies of a game and sending them to random addresses still for profit?

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>itt cyka blyat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZgckdxhg3E

>>29955813
Honestly, rather than just extending the copyright terms--which is being done because Disney and the rest want to keep their rights to things like Mickey Mouse and have the money to keep forcing this through the legal system--they should just "reset" the copyright term every time the owner produces a work derived from, containing elements introduced in, or otherwise linked to the copyrighted work. Disney could keep Mickey and the gang into perpetuity by just publishing a yearly sticker book, and individuals' works would enter the public domain after a reasonable amount of time.

>>29954091

So if everyone that owns a 3DS pirates the game and nobody buys it, GF won't lose anything right?

>>29955877
Лeзть в oнлaйн дo peлизa = ayтизм

>>29955878
The original creators are dead. Why should this company get to hold on to the rights forever? It should go into the public domain.

>>29955858
>buy a thing
>but you didn't buy all of the other things
>company lost all these sales
i hope you are proud of yourself you dirty thief

>>29955932
I'm not going to get into whether they should, but their stance on the matter is pretty clear. I'm just saying that, if we're going to be retarded about it, we might as well do so in a way that has less impact on other works.

>>29955877
HET

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>>29953994
>>29954091
>>29954317
>>29954259

>>29953994
>implying pirating is stealing

>>29956095
By reading posts from this thread, now I know why the fake leaks are real. -___-

>>29955001
>Nintendo is responsible for the game being out early

You don't honestly believe this do you?

>Pokemon fans who attack wild animals, stuff them in cramped balls and PC boxes, then raise them to fight, are claiming to be moral superior to anyone

>>29956095
>implying piratefags are old enough to vote

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>>29956095

Borrowing a game from a friend is piracy because you're playing the game and giving $0 to the developers

Buying an used game is piracy because you're playing the game and giving $0 to the developers

Now let's see what mental gymnastics you moralfags are going to come up with.

>>29956192
pure a u t i s m

>>29956158
But they are, though.
If Nintendo or Gamefreak had taken greater care to protect their biggest game from getting leaked A FULL WEEK before release, none of this would have happened to begin with.
Shit, this is PSN levels of incompetence.

>>29956192
t. Xbox One

>>29956164
>stuff them in cramped balls

It's not cramped, though. Pokeballs are actually a portal to the ultra dimension.

>>29956192
There is no moral gymnastics necessary, those are pirating. Companies arent dumb enough to let technicality get in the way of not being a jerk, however.

>>29956192

>borrowed/sold to another guy
>that dude actually enjoyed the game and decided to buy the sequels or games from the same company

Your move, autist.

>>29956264
More like they can't realistically sue people over it. If they could they definitely would.

>>29956192
It's more like how GDP is calculated though. Used games were already paid for, so as long as it's not copied by someone, it's already been paid for and isn't theft or pirating.

It's like basic econ ya dingus

>>29956286
>thousands of people pirate game
>50% of them decide to buy games and sequels

Wow seems like piracy is good after all

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>>29956095
>implying everybody here is an amerilard
>implying trump winning didn't save the world from WW3
>-___-

>>29956192
well at least there is money involved that was paid to the developers no matter what anyone do after paying the game unlike pirating it which neither paid anything to the developers nor help the developers at all.

>>29956264
>>29956192
Actually, in a number of industries, the secondary market is considered to be beneficial to the company because it supports the infrastructure through which they distribute their product.

That may be changing with video games now that digital copies are becoming more prominent, but that's another discussion entirely.

>>29956317
So your game got at least another thousand buyers it wouldn't have otherwise?
How terrible.

>>29956326
And the pirated copies don't appear from thin air, imbecile.

We can't get a 3DS game if someone doesn't buy it first.

>>29956164

>cramped balls

pokemon have a virtual world inside their pokeballs

/vp/ telling pirate fags how it is

>>29956192
Borrowing the game gives no money to anybody else, and as the original game was brought, I see no problem with it.

I agree that buying used games is fucked, though.

>>29956192

Lots of developers are against buying used games, but they can't do anything about it.

so im fine if I just go online after it's out right?

>>29956354
>what is freeshop?

>>29956354
>if someone doesn't buy it first
Tell me where SM was on sale a week ago.

>>29955663
Please stop speaking, you're embarrassing yourself.

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>>29956317
>>29956192
>>29956354
the game was still paid for though

>>29956409
Yes, though you should download a RIP with the proper version number.

>>29956411
Do you know how freeshop works, retard?

We can't play a game if we don't get the seed, and the only way to get the seed is to purchase the game and obtain it.

>>29956423
The person who leaked it had a reviewer copy.

>>29956318
This was My point.
Dodged a bullet, got hit with a bat.

>>29956429
And pirated copies were also paid for.

Lending games or buying them used is just minor scale piracy that companies don't give a fuck about, and you know even Xbone tried to stop that shit.
Hosting games for download on internet is the exact same shit as sharing, except it's on a large scale and companies care about that.

>>29955863
I will be ready to auto-file a copywrite on that fucking mouse.

>>29956444
>The person who leaked it had a reviewer copy
So, then, say it with me:
>We got a 3DS game and nobody bought it first.

>>29953994
posting on ebin bread

>>29956544
And the friend you borrowed your game from might have stolen it too. What's your point?

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>committing something illegal
>bawling when caught

This is rich.

Is a 15 day ban. Worry if on day 16 you arent unbanned

>>29953492
>implying anyone falls for your dumb bait
you can go online with a pirated copy and NOTHING will happen
try it yourself if you dont believe me

>>29956192
2013 e3 banter was great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

>>29956575
...anon, receipt of stolen goods is a crime.

Giving hope to those that got banned. Dont give in to the shitpost just yet

>>29956657
How the fuck would I know how my friend got his hands on the game?
All I know is that I borrowed it from him. Don't give a fuck if he paid for it or not.

I could lend my 3DS to my sister right now for her to play all the games I pirated and won't give a shit.

you guys do realize even if you didn't go online, your savedata says the day you started the game right? what then? Can we even avoid this fate even if we didn't go online?

also think about correcting all your mon's capture dates as well

HOPE
https://twitter.com/enMTW

>>29954366
Yeah you're right I doubt piratefags are developmentally advanced enough to read so why would they care about words?

>>29956717
NINTENDO BTFO
BUYFAGS STILL SALTY AND ON SUICIDE WATCH
https://twitter.com/enMTW/status/798937750779101185

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>>29953994
>Pirating is not stealing.

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>>29953994
>Pirating is not stealing

oh my fuck

>>29955881
No because many people who pirated it likely would have bought it it piracy wasn't possible. Many would simply not have played, like me

If a console is unpirateable, I simply not play any game from that console.
If a porn doujinshi hasn't been leaked and published on nyaa.se, I simply don't watch it, and I'm never gonna pay for that doujinshi.
The japanese company that made won't be losign anything much like Nintendo won't be losing anything from me pirating S/M

I have other things I would rather waste my money on but something like video-games or porn aren't one of them.
If you pay for them good for Nintendo I guess, but don't act as if everyone who pirates would have bought the game if piracy wasn't possible.

>>29954505
>Are you going to buy a car, anon?
>no, not really but I found one on the dealer lot unlocked with the keys in the ignition so me and a few hundred other guys are going to use it, take pictures, spread them all over the Internet and then get assdamaged when the police show up

>>29953994

>This amount of (you)

Damn, I'm jelly, senpai.

>>29956708
Just edit your saved data

>>29956763
Why do you think you get to enjoy the fruits of other's labour without contributing anything yourself?
Why is our youth so entitled?

>>29956708
that's retarded

any normal user could have a wrong date on their 3DS

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>>29953994
Its stealing. Get over it you fucktard.

>>29956826
I don't know anon, why do you violate people's copy rights when posting reaction images?

>>29956776
but nobody is missing his car

>>29956879
>why do you violate people's copy rights when posting reaction images?
whose copyrights anon

>>29956877
>>29956757
>>29956754
>Old IP
This kinda proves it is one guy just replying over and over.

>>29956757
>sleeping in your home
>someone breaks into your garage and makes a copy of your car
>leaves
>you wake up
>your car is still there

So how exactly were you robbed?

>>29956826
Because I don't really care.
There are some rare games when I feel like the devs truly deserve and are small enough that piracy could strongly affect their lives, but I don't ever see myself ever feeling empathetic with AAA giant companies really

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>>29954091
the conundrum i've been pondering the last few days is how to explain to dumbasses that they are dumbasses. Naturally, they don't think they are, which is consistent with a number of other absurd beliefs they hold which are, according to them, predicated upon some sort of logic. I guess that's why a lot of people will simply settle for a smug anime girl jpeg, it accomplishes the only worthwhile goal that can be obtained - the asshurt of a retard.
Here's my homage to your inconceivable idiocy.

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>>29953994
>pirating is not stealing
>you stupid Nintencocksucker

>>29956890
That wasn't the question. It's technically a violation if you didn't receive permission.