>Water Bubble doubles the power of physical and special Water-type

>>29897893
it's good, but it's not OU good
pls be UU

>>29897893
>170 base power Liquidation, plus STAB

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I guess it's OU with that 158 base attack head smash

>>29898007
This thing actually has an alright typing and both physical and special bulk though.

>>29898007
Araquanid has actual bulk

>>29897939
252+ Atk Choice Band Araquanid Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 99-117 (24.5 - 28.9%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

That's actually pretty scary.

>>29898007
The stats don't matter it's the power of the moves themselves plus no burn

>>29898051
yeah 150 power is pretty shitty

>>29898067
Nigga this ain't gen 1 where stats mattered, abilities and the power of the moves themselves matter

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Any chance bubblebro ends up in NU?
I rarely play RU

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>>29898007
>comparing a pure Rock type, the second worst defensive type in the game to Bug/Water which is one of the best type combos a Bug can have.

>OU

LOL no. More like RU.

can someone post it's stats?

>>29898067
Compared to 190+Resistance to a common attacking type+burn immunity as a physical attacker, yeah it does.

>>29898007
It has 3 abilities rolled into 1 with much better bulk and a better defensive typing.

>>29898089
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Head_Smash_(move)

>>29898147
>80% accurate
>not even a good secondary effect
>good

i bet you the type of guy to complain when he misses the hydro pump

>>29898130

Araquanid

68 HP
70 Attack
92 Defense
50 Special Attack
132 Special Defense
40 Speed

Bug / Water

Water Bubble ability lowers damage from Fire-type moves, provides burn immunity, and doubles Water-type move damage.

It learns Leech Life, Liquidation, Waterfall, Poison Jab, but not Aqua Jet.

>>29898007
The problem is it has no Rock Head for some reason. Meanwhile Tyrantrum has more speed, a second STAB and no recoil on Head Smash and barely has switch ins at +1 atk

Best moveset then?

>>29898442
Liquidation/Leech Life/Crunch/Poison Jab for singles

>>29898442
Araquanid @ Choice Band
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
Adamant nature
-Liquidation
-Leech Life
-Poison Jab
-Crunch

someone also posted a trapper set with Spider Web and Toxic in the Smogon thread

>>29898472
>>29898481
No.
Choice Band is pointless. With that crappy attack stat, there's no point running coverage unless it's 4x effective for a specific threat.

Use its bulk. Good STABs and a nice support movepool are right there for you.

>>29898565
Choice Band is its only method of increasing Attack, which further increases the effect of Water Bubble.

There isn't a reason to use this if you aren't smashing through things with Liquidation, and the coverage helps against things that resist Liquidation but are weak to coverage. Latios, for example.

>>29898565
You're partially right.

252 HP/252 Atk Adamant is going to be the way to go with speed only being pulled out of HP to creep relevant threats. Band will be the way to go though since it gives Araquanid the most bang for its buck. You're almost never going to be using anything other than Liquidation.

Also what support movepool?

People are too quick to say that anything that is remotely viable is OU material.

OU has become a lot more selective over the years, and it takes Pokémon with REALLY high base stats, really good Abilities, and/or really good utility to be placed there.

And personally I don't see this Pokémon ranking that highly. I guess either NU or high PU for this thing, though I won't be surprised if it ends up mid-low RU.

>>29898775
It hits harder than banded Azumarill.

>>29897893
>>29898481
>>29898565
>>29898652


It's probly RU material, and its best set might actually be using like 248HP/252Atk/8SpD Brave Nature Assault Vest/Splash Plate or something. You do Liquidation/Leech Life/Scald/[PJab/Crunch]. You mainly deal damage through Liquidation, but you can still deal with physical walls by using Scalds that hit as hard as (admittedly, uninvested) Azumarill Waterfalls. It's pretty hard to wall dual attacking stats that are that high in lower tiers.

anybody got a list or pic of its learn able moves?
is it actually usable?

>>29898845
Araquanid
68/70/92/50/132/42
Water/Bug
Water Bubble
Water Absorb
Mystic Water
50% Male
82.0kg (80)
Water 1/Bug
3840 Steps
Medium Fast
2 SpD
- Wide Guard
- Soak
- Bubble
- Infestation
- Spider Web
- Bug Bite
5 Infestation
8 Spider Web
13 Bug Bite
16 Bubble Beam
21 Bite
26 Aqua Ring
33 Leech Life
38 Crunch
45 Lunge
50 Mirror Coat
57 Liquidation
62 Entrainment
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM13 Ice Beam
TM14 Blizzard
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM20 Safeguard
TM21 Frustration
TM27 Return
TM28 Leech Life
TM32 Double Team
TM33 Reflect
TM42 Facade
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM48 Round
TM55 Scald
TM79 Frost Breath
TM81 X-Scissor
TM83 Infestation
TM84 Poison Jab
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM94 Surf
TM98 Waterfall
TM100 Confide

>>29898854
Don't forget egg moves. They're only listed with pre-evolutions.
Egg Power Split
Egg Aurora Beam
Egg Stockpile
Egg Spit Up

>>29898782
Only with water attacks. Azumarill has stab playrough and hits immensely harder with its coverage moves. Azumarill also has aquajet and better defensive typing.

>>29898782
And does everything else Azumarril does 100 times worse so it brings zero utility besides being a one-tie hard hitter and a dead-weight in every other single circumstance. That's not a good Pokemon, that's just a one-trick gimmicky shitmon.

I bet you also think ALL the UB are gonna be M-Ray tier. It's like all you faggots do is see a high stat before crying BROKEN BROKEN SAME ME BANHAMMER before realizing that all the other stats are below average or even very below average.

>No Speed
>No Priority
>No Recovery
>Rock & Flying Weak
>Mediocre Dual Stab

>>29898806
Is right (except about Assault Vest, what the fuck anon, just use Life Orb). It'll do ok, but only having one actually strong attacking type (along with the above) will prevent it from reaching UU.

It MAY be too strong for RU though. BL2 possibly.

>>29898892
>68/92/132 bulk
>average/below average

>>29898953
You are an idiot who can't read.

>>29898854
>Entrainment
Jesus, imagine a M-Gyarados or M-Swampert with water bubble.

Makes them immune to burns, too.

>>29898953
>70/50 Attacking Stats for anything that's not Water
>No recovery
>No priority
>Literally just Scald for support, which every fucking Water Type and their babies get

He's a shitty one-trick shitmon.

>>29898978
>it's like all you faggots do is see a high stat before crying broken before realizing all the other stats are below average
I thought you were referring to both the UBs and Araquanid with that statement, because you said "also." It's you who didn't make your statement clear.

And even if you meant only the UBs, that has nothing to do with Araquanid at all and you just ranted for the sake of ranting.

>>29898980
Magic Guard Slaking is significantly more broken. Fuck, we can even do Wonder Guard Typeless Arcanine now.

We never see either of those though, even though they're far more broken than Water Bubble, or any other Ability changing strategies, because they all suck miserably in Doubles.

It's a nice thought, but it really never actually works.

Apparently it might just be Adaptability for Water moves.Significantly less fun.

>>29899629
It's better than Adaptability, but yeah.

It multiplies the BP of a Water Move by 2.

So Surf
>90 BP
>Water Bubble: 180 BP
>STAB: 270 BP
>(Optional) 2x SE: 540 BP
>(Optional) 4x SE: 1080 BP

The main problems are that Water's actually a low mid-tier offensive type, it doesn't affect any extra moves, it's actual offensive stats are just barely acceptable, and Water/Bug is pretty meh Offensive STAB coverage.

>>29899705
No,see,some Smogon folks pointed out that if it was 3x BP,it should've oneshotted the Drifblim,instead of dealing just more damage than SE Crunch

>>29899705
Nah, the main problem is Aquaraid offensive Stats are shit, so even if it can launch a 330 BP Hydro Pump, any moderately bulky resistant opponent can tank it

>>29898980
Isn't this ability the same as having one stage in attack/special attack?

>>29899772
>Isn't this ability the same as having one stage in attack/special attack?
With Burn Immunity and Fire Resist.

Anyone getting overly excited about it really isn't thinking it through.

>>29898861
>Stockpile

OH HORROR

Power Split is hilarious on it given its piss poor offensive stats and decent defenses. I'm considering something like:
Araquanid @ Leftovers
Water Bubble
Careful/Calm
252 HP/252 SpDef/4 Def
Power Split
Scald
Liquidation
Protect/Toxic
Switch in on a Special threat, Power Split on the switch, and Scald physical switch ins to weaken them further or just blast off Liquidation. Toxic and Protect as filler, without investment Leech Life is not a viable option

>>29899751
>the main problem is Aquaraid offensive Stats are shit
>What is Azumarril's 50 Atk

No, the problem is everything else. 70/50 Atk stat is perfectly fine to work with if all your moves have their BP doubled. Water only being doubled is unfortunate because Water isn't a good offensive type.

>>29899806
Oh hmm, I mean sounds like not quite worth the entertainment, but fun on the water spider

>>29897893
It's a gimmickmon. It's a pretty damn good gimmick, but it's probably gonna be RU. Maybe its pre-evo will find a niche in little cup? I'm not sure what the LC meta is.

>>29899938
Oh, in that case yeah. It's actually about the equivalent of a Sword Dance and Nasty Plot in effect for Water Moves - It actually hits harder than Azumarill does.

252+ Atk Life Orb Water Bubble Araquanid Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro: 90-107 (22.8 - 27.1%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro: 87-102 (22 - 25.8%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

>>29898481
>it's a /vp/ puts a choice item or assault vest on everything

The only true means of attack is water for this guy, other than that it's laughable. You should put support moves instead.

>>29899976
Dewpider's defensive stats and offensive stats are piss poor - it'll probably be shit, but LC meta is anyone's guess at this point.

>>29899989
>Araquanid
>support moves

kek

>>29898854

It's not AS barren as Flareon's, but it might as well be for how good it is.

Not defending AV or anything, but it's movepool is so shit there's not much else it can do.

>>29899847
>Water isn't a good offensive type

Say what?

>>29898007
>no bulk
>no speed
>no priority
Araquanid has one of those things, at least

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>>29897893
a p o l o g i z e

>>29900041
I'm sorry I called you really bad when you're just mostly bad.

>>29900041
i'm sorry 2x water moves couldn't save you. will still use in my playthrough though.

>>29900027
It's not.

It's a decent neutral coverage move, but for actual offensive pressure - well, how often do you see actual sweepers with a Water Move?

Fire, Ice, Fighting, Ground, Rock, Ghost, Dragon, and Fairy are all better than it.

Flying and Ghost are arguably better offensive types within the current metagames.

It's about on par with Electric, Bug, Dark, and Steel (which would be better than it if it Steel didn't resist itself).

Water is within the bottom half of offensive types.

>>29900041

>slightly less shit than absolute shit

My humblest apologies, your mediocreness.

>>29899071
doesn't it revert you to normal, not typeless?

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>>29900304

>>29900362
holy shit

>>29900362
Is this the return of the ??? Type ?

>>29900019
Actually the other anon is right, it could be run like a supportive sticky web user with decent special defense.
Other than that the poor guy is outclassed in everything else.

>>29900471
>Supportive Sticky Web
>Sticky Web

kekkek

No, other anon isn't right - he has practically no support moves. Sticky Web WOULD have been nice if he got it. As is though, the only decent support moves he has are Scald (literally every other water type and more get this) and Toxic (literally every Pokemon gets this)

>>29900523
>Sticky Web
>Araquanid

You know he doesn't have Sticky Web, right? He has Spider Web, which is VASTLY less useful.

>>29900559
Poor bubble buddy.

Ah yes, the thread where OP proved he was not a faggot and showed a video of Liquidation. Good thread

>>29897893
>OU

It's not touching OU, or even UU for that matter. Araquanid is a one-trick pony that can't touch anything that resists water. It has decent defenses, but low HP and speed will push him down.

Granted at least the ability saved it from being a johto shitmon but don't expect it to be a gamechanger.

>>29901360
>STAB Liquidation deals more damage than Super Effective Crunch

>>29898098
>Dewpider also gets water bubble
That thing is gonna destroy little cup.

>>29900544
That's very sad for it. I mean, since it's only utility is a very limited niche, it wouldn't be too much to just give him Aqua Jet, specially in nerf-priority Gen. Or at least a better utility movepool, Sticky Web at least, or some reliable recovery who knows.
At least it's actually more usable in-game now. I might find a place for it in my team.

>>29898284
Also a new move called Lunge.

>>29901766
Move Tutors are still a thing, only problem is we will have to wait. A lot.

>>29898284
>it's a low hp high defenses episode

>>29898980
M-Swampert needs swift swim

>>29899071
Okay here's the difference

1. Slaking is fucking shit without memestrats. If you get your strat blocked you just wasted two party slots for it.

2. Wonderguard swapping/passing isn't actually possible, it's hard coded to Shedinja's weaknesses now.

Araquanid isn't actually bad on his own in doubles due to solid defenses mixed with solid offensive pressure against all non x4 water resist/water absorbers, especially in rain. Water bubble has both offensive and defensive uses and can be passed to multiple pokemon on the same team, potentially. And most of the pokemon you'd put bubble on like Gyarados are still useful without the swap.

>>29897893
Why are people so dumb always using wrongly affect and effect or saying should of

>>29900099
The problem is water types don't usually have stats and coverage to make a good sweeper, water type is an amazing offensive typing look at Keldeo although it's fighting the water STAB is what it mainly spams and rain has been a major threat for years.

>>29900475
It's being treated as an invisible status condition that neutralizes STAB and type relations. The mon still shows up as Fire in the status screen.

>>29898993
It has recovery in leech life with stab

>>29897964
>Skill swap chain water bubble to Primal Kyogre
THE END IS NIGH!

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"Leave Araquanid to me"