Do I ever get to play this game or am I just going to get continually

nope, the cutscenes never stop. this isn't a pokemon game anymore.

>>29889555
Trips confirm SM worst games.

Hau and Taurus aren't that intrusive but expect to babysit Lillie for the entire game. She has more screentime than any other NPC in the series, including N.

>>29889555
>being this retarded

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>>29889039
Choo-choo!

>>29889555
SM are the worst and the best games at the same time. Nintendo asked if we wanted a more story oriented game and that's just what SM are. People who like story oriented games over gameplay oriented games will like it more than previous Pokemon games.
>SuMo

>>29889039
No, you won't, unfortunately.
see >>29889555

>>29889607
>/vp/ will defend this because M-MUH WAIFU
It honestly felt like Dream Team or Skyward Sword with all the fucking tutorials and exposition.

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>>29889039
The game is actually one giant cutscene till post game.

It's Lillies story not yours.

Enjoy faggot.

Hau shows up surprisingly little for a rival character, specially in comparison to Lillie showing up every third fucking cutscene coupled with a camera pan across whatever route you're currently in
Yes, it's really, really bad on cutscenes.

>>29889613
>being this much of a fanboy

>>29889683
this is a completely accurate description

>>29889683
Has it ever been though? The protagonists are only involved because they're dragged into it, or just happen to be at the right place at the right time?

>>29889632
You must have never played a Pokemon game before if you think the story subtracts from gameplay.

>>29889668
it's not unanimous, it's outspoken individuals. If you don't believe me start a poll and you'll see otherwise.

>>29889683
>>29889739
Why the fuck did they even bother with something like this in a mainline game?
It would have worked wonders in a game like Colosseum given Wes isn't a complete blank slate compared to Literally Every MC That Isn't Red After RBYGFRLG (and arguably Hilbert/Hilda).
Oh wait, that's right. GF reduced GS to Shuffle because they're afraid GS could one-up them and 3D Console Spinoffs are irrelevant because the mainline games are 3D and will soon be on console in a few years.

>>29889683
>The game is actually one giant cutscene till post game.

truer words were never spoken

>>29889826
Yeah but you're still the individual that connects all those thing, in SM you're just the sidekick that is ordered around to help them.

>>29889826
The game as a whole is literally Lillie's entire character development arc.

There's no world to be saved or anything like that, it's all just dealing with Lillie's stupid family drama.
The player hardly gets any real spotlight time scene-wise and Hau gets completely shafted and shows up a few times at most.

There's definitely a pacing, focus and cutscenes problem in this game.

>>29889940
This. Your Chosen One Talents were used solely to fight for everyone because you're the only competent trainer in Alola that isn't in the Battle Tree or keeping their team a secret until the League is formed.
When you aren't fighting, you're staring blankly with a plastic smile as everyone else does their plot-related thing.

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>>29889691
Hau is also a shitter with a garbage team.
He even chooses the starter that has a type disadvantage to yours.

>>29889826
While this is true in this game you're basically just Lillies slavebitch that fights her battles and does whatever she wants you to do.

You'll be glad when she fucks off at the end of the game.

See >>29889940

>>29889940
they clearly took people complaining the XY friends were shit to heart, but then the problem goes the opposite way, now instead of being able to do our own thing AND have a actual group of friends, it is now utterly terrified of us missing even one second of character moment with Lillie.

>>29889668
FF All the Bravest was bad?

>>29889039
It gets better once you hit the second island. Still a bit too railroady for my tastes, but tolerable.

>>29889668
>unanimous
It's literally just a vocal minority who are saying this game is bad.

There have been a million fucking polls here that have always had the same results. Every. Time.

>>29889632
>story
MOMMY WONT STOP FUCKING THE JELLYFISH

>>29890025
>>29890012
sadly this seems to be what happens when Gf don't have the league as a crutch for advancement motivation.

>>29890044
inb4 the next games you have no friends or rivals, but the MC is given an actual role beyond "Silent Chosen One you control" so you're NOW forced to watch endless cutscenes of the MC's drama rather than an NPC's drama.

>>29889039

Gen 4 was really the beginning of this bullshit cinematic push, but it had like like 2 cutscenes that were in the game engine, so they didn't last too long when you could just mash through them, same with Gen 5, even if you were stopped at every other turn, but it didn't really matter because like Gen 4, you could just mash through all the "cutscenes"

Then suddenly Gen 6 happened and put this into overdrive and after it was over, I was like "well at least it can't get any worse from now on, right?"

Thank you gamefreak for proving me wrong once again. God, replaying this Gen is gonna be absolutely painful.

>>29890127
If it gives the MC actual fucking facial expressions I'm on board. There's no excuse for that permanent OVO face.

>>29889632
I wouldn't have minded the story but it doesn't even excel there. All of the main events in the game including the Aether takeover and the Skull hideout thing were included with very little buildup and even with the corny ebonics (hood black people don't even talk like this) Team Skull had no personality compared to other evil teams. I'm not saying any other gen did story better but at least the exploration aspect took precedence enough to justify mediocre story in the past.

>>29890025
Thinking about it, you encounter him as you leave from getting your starter. In this case, I don't think he chose the starter that's weak to yours so much as you chose the one with an advantage to him. You're the rival in this case.

>>29890217
Bruh, you're the first one to choose. That logic isn't working out somehow.

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>>29890158
>God, replaying this Gen is gonna be absolutely painful.

It takes 1 hour 30 minutes from the start of the game till you get to the TRAINER SCHOOL.

Those cutscenes are truly painful.

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>>29890217
>You're the rival
Oh God, that means that there's some horrid dimension where Hau is the player character.
>Eat Malasada
>Lose battles
>Get cucked
THE GAME

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>>29890158
>>29890280
Oh yeah I forgot to mention that the TRAINER SCHOOL is RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR FUCKING HOUSE.

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>>29890158
>getting your starter in Gen 7
>can't mash through it because there's more than a minute of cumulative cutscenes between pause breaks
>can't just leave your game sitting there to wait for it to end because you do have to press A repeatedly or the cutscenes will pause

I'm glad I picked the feminine starter for my first playthrough so I don't need to worry about resetting for a gender if I ever replay it.

>>29890309
>not wanting to play a game where everything is overpowered at first but with enough effort you beat your rival and eat hella malasadas which probably work like EV items in this alternate universe

>>29890327
>>29890330
>gunmind

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>>29890280
>>29890327
>tfw people who speedrun pokemon are going to actually speedrun this gen and have unskippable cutscenes to sit through

>>29890330
The worst thing is I play without the back panel of my 3DS, battery fell out after like 3 hours of gameplay.
That's some vietnam flashback shit.

>>29890314
>The overwhelming majority
>some vocal shitposters on fucking /vp/ of all things, which has been proved many many times that is just a 0.0000001% percent of the pokemon fanbase
>overwhelming majority

top kek

>>29890255
How are you the first one to choose if he's in front of you on the route as you leave from picking your starter?

>>29890330
At least they had the fucking decency to show if a starter's shiny before you pick it, I missed that from HGSS. And t makes SRing somewhat worthwhile as you get a Female for MMing.

>>29890353
>Hau
>Beating anyone

>>29889607
She is also cute.

>>29890444
There's a point where Generic Anime Attractiveness should stop being an excuse, and we've reached it.

>>29890367

Werster's gonna have a heart attack when he attempts to speedrun SM. I wouldn't be suprisied if a speedrun goes beyond 4 and a half hours because of the totem fights and ricicilous amount of cutscene padding (they literally even have a cutscene that leads into another cutscene after you take three steps forward) Also from my experience, no one starter is blatantly better than the rest of them in terms of speedrunning, not to mentioned you're not gifted any OP mons throughout the playthrough nor you can't even RNG abuse like you can in Gen 4&5.

>>29890314
>worst music
what

>>29890540
Gonna agree with him, besides the skull and champion theme there weren't any tracks standing out. Gladion maybe, but all the city music and shit was just generic.

>>29890593
Lillie's theme.

>>29890381
What do you mean? do you see the shiny starter on the nickname screen? or when you first see it in game?

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>>29890314
>overwhelming majority when its literally just shitposters on an obscure japanese cartoon image board
>and isnt released

>>29890610
Can't judge, I can't recall it.

>>29890654
It's the one that sounds out of Layton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WHQARPi8IE

>>29890056
It was a retarded mobile game where you tapped the screen to attack (you could literally play it with your eyes closed) and if your characters died you had to wait three real-life minutes each or pay to revive them.

>>29890809
Don't forget there were 35 legacy characters that you had to buy at random for 99 cents each without knowing who you got.

>>29889668
why would true fans rejoice?
If the games are truly so bad, everyone suffers.
Why are you happy you got a shitty game?

So SM is basically the story of a sheltered little girl with low self-esteem learning to believe in herself and doing an intervention on her emotionally abusive, drug addict mom, right?

>>29890539
Earliest case of gamebreaking bullshit is probably Salamence, but good luck spawning a Bagon to even start that shitshow of a chain.

>>29890280
Beat Moon, was about to start Sun then I remember that first hour and a half.

I'll just wait for randomizer.

>>29890903
Basically. I mean the idea behind the story isn't bad but there was absolutely no buildup until you entered the UB dimension.

>>29890950
You've got the patience of a stone compared to me if you think it got better after the beginning.

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>>29890886

>>29891016
They should have found a better way to integrate the story with the quest to complete the trials. The main problem is that the progression is basically just:
Lillie cutscene -> Trial -> Lillie cutscene -> Trial -> Lillie cutscene -> Trial > Lillie cutscene -> Kahuna -> Lillie cutscene -> Save Lillie -> Help Lillie rescue her mom -> League -> Lillie cutscene -> End

>>29891123
Don't forget two cutscenes every time you wanted to enter a building just too be greeted with that faggot hau.

>>29891164
Please don't bully Hau he's a pure and innocent soul.

>>29891016
>You've got the patience of a stone compared to me if you think it got better after the beginning.
this, the handholding never ends

>>29889632
I like stories but I hate this one for being about Lillie and sidelining you.

>>29891202
Ok no bully but he was such a hollow character, at least gladion turned out to be super alright and had some development.

>>29889632
Why is gameplay and story portrayed as mutually exclusive?

>>29891342
He has daddy issues.

>>29890314
The music is the only good part of the game. All the tracks have been nice to listen to so far.

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The nonstop cutscene shit got so bad I'm actually taking a break from the game. I don't know when I'll get the motivation to go back.
Also, I fucking hate Rotomdex SO GODDAMN MUCH.

>>29889668
>>29890314
>>29891080
We get it man, you're autistic

>>29891366
Because it takes a certain level of skill to balance the two in a way that seems organic, and a shitload of devs give up and just write a fucking film instead.

>>29891574
Erm, what part of >>29891080 wasn't agreeing with you?

Worst part is that Gamefreak won't be punished for it because of GO being popular.

>>29891621
Punished for what? I'm fully expecting this to get better reviews than ORAS.

>>29891512
I give Rotomdex a pass just for the edgy Pokédex entries.

>Drifloon: If for some reason its body bursts, its soul spills out with a screaming sound.

>>29890886
Not him, but if a game is bad, you WANT the fans to all vocally say it's bad. If a game is bad and the fans say it's good, the devs will just make more bad games because they think that's what the fans want.

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>>29891646
Are you that guy that's been greentexting at people for not liking the game?

How unfortunate that you replied to me.

I rather like the story focus, I only play Pokemon for collecting and breeding for competitive, so if the main game at least has a nice story, all the better for me, as single player has never been challenging or engaging.

>>29890444
That excuse only works when it's the main character. If the game was all about you playing as Lillie and doing cute Lillie things, that'd be fine.

But it's not. Lillie bogarts your game and brings the gameplay to a halt while she does Lillie things without any input from you.

>>29891717
A story focus is fine, but this one is handled poorly. Not integrated into the world, doesn't involve your character at all, doesn't ramp up properly, everything just happens suddenly.

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>>29891826
They basically just made a story completely independent of you and then had your character play spectator.

>>29889039
I enjoyed Uranium more than SM.
And that's a sad statement for Gamefreak.

>>29891881
If they wanted Pokemon Lillie they should've just fucking made it.

>>29891512
What's so bad about Rotomdex?

>>29891826
I liked it though, it's fairly good for Pokemon standards.

>>29891912
Kanto sequel starring Lillie is coming, don't worry.

>>29891912
But then everyone here would complain they couldn't selfinsert.
Fuck /vp/.

>>29891975
The kids wouldn't like it either, not just vp

>>29891975
I can't self-insert as a 10 year old Japanese boy with a frozen face anyway.

>>29891927
"Hilarious" smarmy comments after every single cutscene (of which there are many.)
Takes up half the bottom screen which could have been used for other useful UI elements.

We really didn't need a "sassy mascot" character.

>>29891951
It cuts your character out of the world and makes you nothing more than brainless meat that stares blankly and smiles at Lillie.

You pick the starter strong against Hau because he and Lillie are the main characters and you're the jerk rival smashing Hau into the ground.

>>29892058
Hau never does anything. Gladion is more relevant than him.

So is Lillie as forced on you as N was?

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>>29892040
>being this autistic over tiny remarks that last 2 seconds

Wew lad.

>>29892082
He stands there and looks cute.

That's a thing anon.

>>29892173
Even more.

>>29892173
Most of the plot when you're not undergoing trials is dedicated to babysitting her.

>>29892201
An extremely irrelevant thing at that.

>>29892193
The game would be better if it didn't exist.

>>29892219
Yes but it's still a thing. A thing that he does well.

>all this complaints about Lillie and only Lillie.

>Hau and Gladios joy team to go stop the evildoers
>Gladios buys fight with oldman
>"What? Are those two going to have a battle? I wonder if it will be a double battle or something?"
>No, for some reason you are the one that fights against the guy he provoked, alone.

>Hau and Gladius are with you advancing through Aether Foundation
>three Aether guys come to stop you
>"Oh, just like happens in other game's, each one of us will fight one guy"
>No, you have to fight all of them, one after another, alone.

It's not just her, the problem is the writing of the game as a whole. The game's not about Lillie, is about you having to do everything because other characters are to busy standing there doing absolutely nothing. I mean at least Lillie has the excuse of not being a trainer.

>>29892048
Still better than the usual shit we get.

>>29892173
There was plenty of time when N wasn't in the picture. Not so much here.
No awkward ferris wheel rides, though.

>>29892173
N is a blessing compared to Lillie.
You're a fucking accessory who exists solely to fight her battles when you aren't staring off into the distance during cutscenes with that lifeless smile that almost never goes away.
And you only ever get so much freedom before the game yanks you by your 1 ft. leash screaming "HEY ANON, WHERE YA GOIN? DON'T YOU WANNA SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO LILLIE-CHAN NEXT? C'MON, IT'LL BE FUN!" for the twelfth time in an hour.

>>29892244
Well at least we got some shota from it, so there's that for us perverts.

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>>29889668
I have seen the same Image with the same filename in over 10 threads. Just stop you barneyfag.

>>29891016
>there wasn't build up until you've reached the climax

damn...

>>29892258
Yes, but the other useless characters are cute bishie boys and shotas. So /vp/ will never complain about them.

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>>29892288
>"HEY ANON, WHERE YA GOIN? DON'T YOU WANNA SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO LILLIE-CHAN NEXT? C'MON, IT'LL BE FUN!"
-top rated amazon review

>>29892288
>You're a fucking accessory who exists solely to fight her battles
>you only ever get so much freedom before the game yanks you by your 1 ft. leash
So, the PC is basically Lillie's pokemon?

>>29892366
Until postgame, yes.

>>29892258
Hau is an annoying friend. That's been standard for 4 generations now, we can complain but it's nothing new.

Gladion is your rival so nobody minds him having story presence or being a shit.

My question is, is it better than XY, story and gameplay-wise? Because those were the bottom of the barrel for me and as long as SM aren't worse I'll be satisfied.

>>29892258
>standing there doing absolutely nothing.

This. Even in the more expository moments, like the part where they explain that Lillie went to the Aether foundation with Team Skull because she didn't want anyone to get hurt because of her and shit. Ok, but then Hau tells that he was there but didn't do anything, because he was scared or some shit.

I mean, what the fuck? Why didn't the writers simply told the story as Hau having fought against the bad guys and lost, it would make him seem less like a complete waste of space.

>>29892523
but but
DUDE
MASALADAS
LMAO xD

>>29892516
>Story wise
That depends on what your tolerance for constant cutscenes and being a meaningless side character is. If those are things you hate, then this is worse. Otherwise it's better.

>Gameplay
It's basically the same only the new pokemon suck pretty bad. Good luck trying to grind that Fomantis up on its own.

>>29892516
Yes and yes. SMs story did not feel like an incomplete rush job and the difficulty was on par with or harder than Gen V.

>>29892564
>>29892555
Cutscenes are stomachable and I don't mind grinding, so I think I'll be okay at least. Thanks guys!

>>29889039
So how do the trial "badges" work, what's the highest level pokemon I can use from trades before and after the trials?

>>29892516
Yes and yes. Many complaints people have are justified, but they are overreacting and exaggerating.

>>29892626
It's level 33 or 34 after your first Kahuna. If I had to guess it goes 60 something for the black chick, 80 for the one after that, and 100 for the last.

>>29892040
To be fair, it's better than previous companion characters (cough cough, Tierno, Shauna) who are so goddamn NICE all the time.

>>29892653
>People not liking a game I like are just overreacting!

>>29892600
There's no grinding, I don't know how can someone fuck up on a game easy like this. You be using repels or running from wild pokémons a lot if you don't want to catch anything at that moment or just don't want to get overpowered.

Battles where you are not 5 to 10 levels above the oponent are rare.

>>29892671
They still gave us Hau, though.

>>29892564
>SMs story did not feel like an incomplete rush job

ehhhhyeahidunno.....it was better than XY at least

>>29892523
Here's the problem:

In an anime or manga Hau and Gladion would be the secondary battlers that could have that fight and either win or lose depending on the scenario.

But in the game? There's no way to convey it. They wrote a shonen battle manga plot but they can't have you take over Gladion, and forcing the player to watch a scripted battle is boring. So the solution is you just do it all.

>>29892664
>It's level 33 or 34 after your first Kahuna.
I see. I hope that's early enough that I'll be able to use a couple pokemon from the bank.

>>29892736
True, but at least one member of Team Chicken-chan is entertaining.
>>29892795
Uh, why not a Multi Battle?

>>29892817
That comes out in January, are you waiting two months after release?

>>29892679
Yes anon, just like that. I did say exactly what you quoted right? That's no an exaggeration at all.

Thanks for the example.

>>29892600
You don't have to grind, actually I suggest you skip one or two trainers per route. I managed to remain 1-3 levels above my opponents but there were still many times where they OHKO'd my pokemon.

>>29892842
Well fuck. Why two months for a simple patch?

>>29892893
To force you to use the intentionally bad Alola mon.

>>29890061
>>29890381
>>29890626

I'm just one person on the internet so you have no reason to believe me but I'm someone who normally loves any Pokemon game but S/M is...pretty not great and I enjoyed X/Y.

The reviews will still be good because I think reviewers just copy and paste the same thing everytime but it's disappointing for sure.

>>29892923
>purisu undastand

>>29892980
It'll be something like
>8.4
>+Great Characters and Story
>+Alola Forms are a fresh take on familiar Pokemon
>+No more HMs
>-Z Moves are powerful but you'll get tired of their animations
>-Not enough water

>>29891826
Play more fucking video games. That's what they ALWAYS do with this sort of silent protagonist type of game. You're just watching someone else do shit and helping out 99% of the time.

>>29893237
Wow anon, I never knew there were other bad videogames besides SM!

>>29893257
It's just a specific style of game, jesus, don't get your panties into a knot Professional Video Game Critic™

>>29890000
nani?

>>29893237
You've been playing crap video games, Anon.

>>29893306
It's a type of bad story, anon. Stop brown nosing so hard.

The characters are good but the presentation of the story could be better. They should have removed all the tutorial cutscenes and just kept the story cutscenes. There were some pretty well-written scenes with Lillie and Gladion and some of the Kahunas and Trial Captains. Hau was fine, they should have explored more his daddy issues.

>>29893324
Not even. Like I said, it's a very specific type of game. There are plenty of games like it.

>>29893335
As soon as you stop samefagging. Sun and Moon seems badly executed in general but hey, were you really expecting a good story from Pokemon of all things?

>>29893618
>People don't like something you like
>Throw insults instead of accepting it

>>29890314
>worst story
>worst characters
This is the exact thing you're fucking complaining about, there is TOO much story. There are like at least 10 different characters in SM that are more fleshed out than absolutely any character in the first 3 gens. The game is massively story heavy, how the fuck can you say it's worse than literally no story?

>worst evil team
It's not my opinion but I can actually understand why some would think this so I'll give you a pass.

>worst new pokemon
Agreed.

>worst music
I haven't played the game: the post: the experience.

I'm not entirely sure whether you are baiting or some sort of anti-shill hired by Sony who is getting scared of Nintendo's building momentum but you clearly haven't actually played the game. This game is going to be praised very highly by critics, specifically because it is very different from previous gens but is still Pokemon, which is exactly what normie reviewers have been asking for.

>>29893639
>how the fuck can you say it's worse than literally no story?
You don't have to agree, but for many people, less story is better than a poorly executed story.

>>29893618
You used the word 'always'. That's demonstrably incorrect. Silent protagonists can and have been done better.

>>29893660
PT: Vaan
Lillie: Ashe
Gladion: Basch
IT FITS

>>29893660
At least in 12 you can control Ashe in battle and just ignore Vaan except for like once or twice.

>>29893639
>The game is massively story heavy, how the fuck can you say it's worse than literally no story?
Interrupting gameplay frequently for something I think negatively of is significantly worse than "be de Pokemon masdur :-DDD" with minimal interference.

>>29893749
>Your rival interrupts gameplay in gen 1.

I love Gary XDDDDDD

>>29893639
In RPGs, cutscenes are understandable. But when the game becomes more like a movie and you as the player have limited freedom to explore--because the game wants you to keep progressing its narrative/cutscenes before letting you finally go--that's when it stops being acceptable.

What's funny is that GF have intentionally dumbed down the gameplay for the mobile/kiddie market....yet they are overwhelming the game with cutscenes and expect players to NOT get bored/annoyed with that first?

I am curious to see how long it does take to get the starter, because that's what players look the most forward to and don't want to be kept waiting.

>>29894114
>>29893749
Keep the cutscenes that develop the characters. Remove the cutscenes that are literally just the characters explaining you how to fucking use the shop. That would have fixed the pacing.

>>29894114
>I am curious to see how long it does take to get the starter
It's like 20 minutes.

>>29894114
>I am curious to see how long it does take to get the starter

Like 30 minutes from the start of the game, and the actual cutscene to get the starter is about 4 minutes long if you mash A as hard as you can (which makes resetting for gender or nature a fucking pain).

>>29894180
It'd be nice if GF took a few notes from the Tales of series and their skits system. As the player, you don't have to play the skits when prompted, but they add character moments and development that fans appreciate. They're only a minute or two max, and then you go back to gameplay.

>>29894232
>>29894245
So basically, too long for anyone that has a short attention span and just wants to get going in the game. Really not promising.

Would it be fair to say SM's intro is comparable to LoZ Twilight Princess long-winded intro?

>>29889632
>giving a shit about the story in fucking Pokémon
Literally why.

>>29890000
I though fans were tired of being the fate hero in these games.

>>29894278
this is the real sin of the story, not that it's there or even that Lillie is stealing your protagonist spot, but that the game won't even 'let' you control when the story progresses. every single time you step past certain points the game grabs you makes you watch the cutscene and you can only do what you want after it's done.


If Lilly and Hau stood outside the pokemon center, and you needed to talk to them to advance the plot, but the cutscenes didn't start UNTIL you talked to them, and only very rare did they do auto triggering cutscenes it'd be way less grating.

I'm only at the second island and already I can't stand it. Music is fine, but this constant interrupting is just incredibly obnoxious. No Pokemon game should have this many cutscenes.

haha serves you guys right for complaining about XY's lack of story!
Guess you didn't know what you wanted after all, sasuga pokemon fanbase.

>>29894334
>Would it be fair to say SM's intro is comparable to LoZ Twilight Princess long-winded intro?
No, because while you're climbing Twilight Hyrule Castle to get to Zeldo, Midna isn't directing your every move or spouting off bullshit every 10 feet.

>>29894375
>>29894180
These two posts are exactly what Gamefreak needs to change for next games, story-wise.

>>29894429
Storyfags are the absolute worst.

>>29894429
>XY's lack of story
XY didn't lack story, it had a fucking stupid one.

>>29894429
Story is fine, they just did a terrible job.

>>29894430
It's definitely more like SS in that sense.

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>>29894503
Say what you will about pokemon SM, it doesn't have The Sky.

>>29894503
>>29894430
Well i meant with TP, that from start til the actual plot kicks in at the Ordon Spring, as its intro. Never played SS, so not much I can say for that.

>>29894429
The fuck are you on about? I never complained that XY had "too little story," if anything it had too much story. The story was also dumb and the characters you were around had little to no development.

The solution to focusing too much on characters with little to no development is to not focus on NPCs as much, not to spend even more time focusing on characters that do admittedly get development. I always thought you should have less focus on the shitty XY rivals, not put the same amount of focus on different rivals.

>>29894460
and terrible pacing. which si a common problem with JRPGs loving to stop the story for long periods of time, then try to dump the majority on you at the back end

>>29890056
>mobile game
>good
Yeah right

>>29894575
>from start til the actual plot kicks in at the Ordon Spring
Even in that case, you mostly get to have free reign running around the village. It's more or less just "a day in the life."

>>29889668
>no mans sky isn't listed
fake and gay list

>>29894638
That's true. Really never bothered me the first playthrough.

Ugh, I'm really not looking forward to SM's story now. Not if I have to put up with being stopped by the plot multiple times instead of having free reign to do what I want.

>>29894739
Yeah, neither is Other M. I'd say Federation Force oughta be there too, but its more of bad timing situation more than an actual bad game; if anything FF is just mediocre.

>>29893639
*Best new Pokémon

>>29894762
It gets better.
By that I mean it starts off bad and gets less bad.

But it's pretty much the game has a three-hour-plus tutorial. It really drags early on.

On the first island, how do you get to Kala'e Bay?

>>29894819
Unskippable, not-optional tutorials. WHY DOES THIS STILL EXIST IN VGS?

>>29894879
Because if you let people skip them, they'll skip them and then complain that the game never told them what to do.
People are retarded, you can't win.

You're telling me this shit is worse than in XY?

>>29894913
Much worse.
It's the entire reason I am posting on /vp/ and not playing the game. I don't want to slam my head against the goddamn plot and cutscenes.

>>29894913
I'd rank it higher IF you don't mind being second fiddle to Lillie and constant cutscenes.

Still a bad game though.

>>29889668
How is no man's sky not in there?

>>29894913
Wait.

How the fuck do you manage to go DOWN from XY's shitheap of a plot?

>>29895134
By making the plot marginally better but forcing it into the game five times as much.

>>29895011
>>29894739
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_notable_for_negative_reception

Whoever made that image replaced No Mans Sky with Sun&Moon instead of just adding SM to the bottom.

Sean Murray made that image.

>>29894020
Your rival battling you IS part of the gameplay, dumbass. He means interrupting gameplay with cutscenes.

>>29895134
It didn't.

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Will there ever be a Pokemon game with adventuring and exploring aspects again, /vp/?

I just want to go on simple fucking solo adventure again without being constantly railroaded into PLOT again.

>>29895874
Nope

>>29895874
Pokemon is dead for good dude.

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>>29896136
Finally someone says it. Now that SuMo are unanimously considered to be the worst games of 2016, hopefully we can finally put this beaten, tortured series to rest.

>>29889039
The straw that broke the camel's back with this for me was the bitch and her Stoutland

>hey kid you can't pass by here my Stoutland is sniffing!

>>29896161
Are you falseflagging people who hate the game by acting like a mong?

>>29896223
Considering I have seen that exact image and post together multiple times I am gonna say yes

>>29896223
I'm not falseflagging, I just share the same opinion as everyone else on 4chan. People are quitting the series left and right because of SuMo, which in itself confirms the series's death.

>>29896161
cringe SM is better than most games released this year

>>29896223
It's pretty obvious he's butthurt that people would dare to criticize the game.

>>29896260
>>29896248
See >>29896251
I just share the majority opinion. It's apparent reading this thread that SuMo is recieved very poorly by fans.

>>29896251
I don't see anyone quitting. If anything, I see more people posting around, even if just to shitpost about how they are gonna quit again and again.

>>29896278
Gotta be a little more subtle pal, sorry.

>>29896291
NOA employee please stop defending your precious SuMo, we have already played it and we hate it. Go away.

>>29896304
At least you are boycotting SuMo like the sane people on this board are.

>>29896251
The game is good though kek

>>29896320
Literally you are the only person in this thread that thinks this.

Everybody on /vp/ hates SuMo. Those who defend it either haven't played it or are NOA employees.

>>29896291
Personally I was already on the fence about sun and moon and after watching a couple hours of gameplay, I definitely won't be getting them.

Dunno if I'm quitting the series for good, but as it stands now I don't really care about future games if they're all going to be like gen 6/7.
I can easily see myself losing all interest in Pokemon in next couple years if shit stays the same.

>>29896355
Over 200 replies, 77 posters. Seems like a couple same fags from /v/ trying to get spotlight until the game comes out.
I've played it and I thoroughly enjoyed it as a Pokemon game.

>>29896363
Proof positive that the series is dead.

SuMo is so godawful that /vp/ is LITERALLY considering dropping the series.

>>29896383
>I've played it and I thoroughly enjoyed it as a Pokemon game.
No you haven't, shill. You just have stockholm syndrome

Do you guys think gyms will return in Gen 8?
Trials are good, but gyms are classic.

>>29896304
He's not samefagging. I'm the one who wrote >>29896136. Might be a bit of an over exageration, but I really don't think the series will ever come back from this.
Future games will just become crappier and crappier until no one cares about Pokemon anymore. It won't be instant, but its slow death has already started for a while.

>>29896407
>Do you guys think gyms will return in Gen 8?
That would imply there will be a game after SuMo.

Read this thread. Gen 7 will the last generation of Pokemon.

>>29896251
The way you keep calling it SuMo kinda solidifies that you're a false flag.

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>>29896355
>>29896398
>>29896426
>SuMo
>shill

>>29896425
I wasn't implying you were him. There's a pretty obvious difference between the butthurt falseflagger and those with negative opinions towards the game.
Here's a hint: He uses the same "argument" every single time and also >>29896448

>>29896425
The thing is, /vp/ is very hardcore about this stuff so changes like this are much more noticeable and annoying to us. Casuals will most likely not give a flying fuck.

>>29896426
Nah there'll be a few more, each more pathetic and sad than the previous one.
Then Nintendo will make a last real desperate effort and make an actual good game, but it will get mediocre sales because of the already tarnished reputation. Then they'll just drop the whole thing.

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Reminder to disregard any and all opinions if they say SuMo instead of SM

>>29896425
I don't think you're him either, I'm talking about this "SuMo is unanimously hated by everyone!" guy that shitposts in every single thread criticizing anything about the game. I don't like the game but I don't think anyone but a shitposter would say anything is unanimous.

>>29893722
>At least in 12 you can control Ashe in battle and just ignore Vaan except for like once or twice.

I never understood Vaan's existence.
You could literally remove him and just distribute what little he contributes to the rest of the cast and you'd never miss him.
For God's sake, the most memorable thing about him is him running around like a retard screaming "BASCH FON RONSENBURG" in strangers faces.
I get he was supposed to be the Foil that just watched other important shit happen, but there's a limit to how little your main protagonist should matter.

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>>29896477
>this is Gamefreak's best effort after they had the opportunity of a lifetime with the increase in popularity thanks to GO

>>29889668
It isn't mechanically busted like those

>>29896464
>>29896448
I use the same arguments because the past week has made it obvious that SuMo are the worst in the series and have upset many people in the fanbase.

>>29896477
>>29896425
See? /vp/ is literally dropping the series after SuMo. That's how bad it is.

>>29896499
Sad, I know.

>>29896499
Part of me wonders if this was rushed BECAUSE of Go, to try and capture sales from that, and also to get maximum sales before the NX comes out and they get another BW2 on their hands where the new console kills sales.

>>29896481
The only abbreviation worth using is S&M

>>29896486
He was meant to be a frame character because they didn't want to set up a way to feed exposition to Ashe. It's a shitty and lazy method to give you a self insert to explain the world to, basically.

However it's important to realize that the Ashe-focused game is what they made it after development hell and a change in directors. Originally it was gonna be about Balthier.

>>29896499
This. It's a shame. They had a good shot at pulling so many new fans into the series.

Instead they put out a garbage game and every normie will now (righteously) think that Pokemon games aren't anywhere near as good as they remembered.

>>29896569
After they make bank on this game, though, because most people won't know about the leaks. Which I guess is all that matters to them.

>>29896569
You overestimate normies.

>>29896569
>>29896516
Agreed so much.

The only reasonable thing to do in this situation is boycott. We need this series to die now.

Can someone who beat the game tell me if you get Type Null during or after the main story?

>>29896584
Oh the games will sell well, no doubt about that.
But the next ones maybe not so much.

>>29896608
After.

>>29896614
That's my prediction. It's too early for another GO to boost franchise interest.

>>29896608
Haven't beaten it, but I think I read somewhere that you get it late game. Not sure if before or after you beat the game.

>>29896614
Haven't we been saying this shit since X/Y?

>>29890314
Sonic is more than just 2many cutscenes. Is horrible broken on a mechanical level.

Do you mind linking the tutorial on how to download it?

>>29896646
>downloading the worst games of 2016
Eating shit isn't healthy anon

>>29896223
He's been at it nonstop both here and in /v/ for at least a week. Chances are he is that retarded.

>>29896705
Reminds me of the Barneyfag on /co/. That dudes has legit autism though, he's been through like 200 IPs just to ban evade and shitpost

>>29896646
>how to download it
If you don't know, you probably can't anymore due to updating your 3DS.
We've only been warning you to downgrade while you could for years.

>>29896639
XY didn't have the influx of new fans from Pokemon Go.

>>29896741
My 3DS is not updated so im good

>>29896603
this

>>29896705
>>29896738
I'm thinking he's actually autistic too.

>>29896762
Then head over to /hbg/ on /vg/ and read the guide.
Then get the game off 3dsiso.

>>29896783
You're on a pokemon board. This is a given.

>>29896783
Even if he is just flaseflagging or shitposting for his amusement, that is a very autistic level of commitment to it.

>>29896741
How recent is the update that fucks things up? I haven't touched my 3DS in about a year and a half. Any chance I could've done the update?

>>29896798
Didn't the rom of the game leak too? why do I even need my 3ds?

>>29896850
I mean, you COULD play it using Citra (3DS emulator) but Citra is also unstable, to put it lightly.
There's no such issues using a hacked 3DS.

>>29896848
>I haven't touched my 3DS in about a year and a half.
Dude you are fucking golden, get that shit CFW'd.

>>29896850
Citra really isn't very stable and it runs slow as shit if you don't have a really good computer.

>>29896889
nice

>>29896199

Stoutland is the 2nd worst item finder in the series. They had it perfect in Gen 6, and then they get rid of it.

>>29895874
The battling already takes you out of the adventuring/exploring aspect so much, having a storyline doesn't do much to affect that at all

>>29896407

Gyms will most likely make it back, but I hope they don't kick totem battles to the curve. A nice thing would be to have 8 gyms, but 3 Totem Like battles spread throughout the game.

But knowing gamefreak, we'll never see Totem Battles or an Alternative to it ever again unless they decide to remake SM.

>>29896977
Totems don't make sense in 90% of regions. They'd only fly if they made another place full of natives.

>>29896927
Gen VI Itemfinder was already a downgrade from Gens IV and V. Having the Itemfinder on the lower screen when active makes it completely unintrusive and allowed to pretty much play the entire game with it on with no consequence, and you could use it while biking.

>>29896999
Just call them literally anything else.
They make sense in any region that has wild Pokemon.

>>29897026
HGSS had the best itemfinder, prove me wrong.

>>29896999

That's why I mentioned an Alternative. Since Gamefreak introduced alternate dimensions, we can always have Boss Battles

Damn, I miss Totem Battles already and the game isn't even officially out.

>>29896999
Totem is just a name. The energy that empowers them seems to be related to the Ultra Wormholes.

They could bring the mechanic back, and either call it something else or keep the name while referencing the phenomenon was first observed in Alola.

I like going on anonymous message boards and complaining about games I haven't played.

>>29897091
Good thing we've all been playing it for over a week thanks to the leaks and therefore have substantial grounds for our complaints, eh?

>>29897091
>He doesn't know it's leaked.

>>29897109
>>29897123
Pretty sure only a small minority has actually played the leaked games, so eh

>>29897136
The audience of this baord is probably significantly more tech competent than average.
And given how easy it is to hack a 3DS these days, along with what people here now stand to gain from doing so, I'm not surprised that many here have played it.

>>29897136
It was spammed all across the board for days and everyone knows how to get it.

>>29894444

Those are some underappreciated quads

:(

>>29889580
I like it better than the shit show that was Gen 6.

>>29898339
This gen is also a shit show. If you like being Lillie's pet more that's fine, but it's still one of the worst gens.

>>29890000
That is not a problem for me, except for the fact Lillie is a shitty character

>>29890314
The music is fantastic, though. Say what you want, but complaining about music is straight up bullshit.

>>29896398
I like it so far too, what now?
Beats the ever loving shit out of XY

>>29898551
>I need to reaffirm my opinions or I feel insecure.

>>29898356
I want to be Gladion's pet, not Lillie's. Fuck this.

>>29891577
And then you get shit like the Doom remake that makes the history optional and despite having well thought and badass lore you only get to read it if you decide to stop turning enemies into ammo/health piñatas.

Seriously God bless the doom creators for making little cutscenes only for small dramatic purposes often followed by intense arse kicking action and a silent character that gives 0 fucks about the drama yet stops 8 second to save an AI because "why the fuck not?".

We need more full gameplay games like Doom, not Lillie Simulator 2016.

>>29891968
Fuck my gaming life, Pokémon Lillie and Pokémon Zinnia coming April 2018, just because they feel Zinnia is cool enough i in the West and his creator was very vocal about it.

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>1996 + 20
>Still no "instant" speed for text
Why
Actually why
How does it improve the experience to have to sit around waiting for the text to fill in? Even if you double-tap A, all that does is make it fill in faster.

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I am horrendously tempted to cancel my preorder because of the first 2 hours of this game. Nothing but cutscenes, the routes are either blocked or a giant circle, uninteresting battles, and the characters are all annoying excluding Gladion.

>>29889607
> we're forced to endure a moeloli waifus presence the entire game
worst games confirmed

>>29899066
>are all annoying excluding Gladion
This. I feel bad for the poor guy to have been stuck with a shit mother and a useless sister who can't do shit. Now I understand why he let them fuck off to Kanto alone and ran off with his bro when shit got bad.

>>29893076
>-Not enough water
is this meme from an actual review?

>>29899397
7.8/10 bait anon. You got me!

>>29892980
>and I enjoyed X/Y.

Trash taste goddamn!

>>29895874
>again

Woah was there ever?

This franchise is complete shit for exploring

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>>29898716
>comparing Pokemon to fucking Doom

>>29889039
That's basically the entire fucking game.

Hau is fucking annoying.

Lillie is top-tier though.

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>>29898356
>>29898624
>he doesn't want to be Lillie's pet

>>29895874
I hope not. Main game for story, post game for exploration. That's how I prefer it.

>>29899860
SM has a bad story and no exploration in the postgame. This will be the standard, don't expect anything more from GF

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>>29899882
I enjoyed both aspects of it though so I'm fine with it being the standard. Much better than what XY was.

since this seems to be the s&m discussion thread, how the fuck do you get more affection hearts in this amie shit? i'm patting it like crazy and it ain't going up

>>29899907
Feed it, rub that shit, then wait. Refresh is just like Amie. Go do something else for a while, such as battling, then come back and it'll be ready to be loved some more.

>>29899838
>It's okay because she's cute.

>>29899907
When you see a music symbol after petting, that's when you gotta go do something else and come back later.

>>29899916
>>29899928
thanks. how much later though?

>>29899926
>implying she isn't a good character
Anon, you have shit taste. Lillie is about the only good character in the game.

>>29899947
Usually one battle or two. I dunno. Experiment with that shit, nigga.

>>29899947
After a battle. I've only ever bothered doing it during the main story where there's always people to battle as you progress. You can get max affection in one go if you use two rainbow beans.

I never beat B2 because of railroading

>>29899974
Black 2 is easy.

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>>29889039
SM are the worst Pokemon games since Diamond and Pearl. They're the only other games I had to actually drop partway through because playing them was just painful.

It was so slow, so railroaded. Everything is so sterile and the camera is angled so you can't even see where you're going. Loading barriers every ten steps break up the already small world into bite-sized pieces. The cutscenes NEVER STOP, and you never know when you're just gonna walk right into one and the game is going to take control away from you to spout some bullshit about muh Lillie-chan or ebin masalda boy, or give you a fucking tutorial about how to wipe your ass.

Game Freak really dropped the ball on this. They had years to perfect it and they're very used to the hardware by now. They attempted to make the graphics more ambitious but in doing so they diced the game up into tiny pieces and just failed hard. They shoehorned their cringeworthy plot and slacked on the Pokemon in a game where no one cares about story and everyone cares about the Pokemon.

I can barely even call this a Pokemon game anymore. It's like a terrible fangame that they tried to turn into an interactive anime halfway through, and then they added a lol so quirky mascot to keep children entertained.

Looking back, this gen will probably be considered one of the worst. What a shit game.

>>29900020
>since Diamond and Pearl
Stopped reading there.

Sun and Moon aren't great, but Diamond and Pearl are.
Fuck your shitty opinion, faggot.

>>29900030
DP were so bad they had to optimize the game and release Platinum to fix loading issues and grindingly slow animations. They were objectively bad just for that.

>>29900020
Speak for yourself. I like story in my games, and this had potential. It didn't USE most of that potential, but still.

Also:
>not liking Lillie
This meme needs to die. Lillie is great.

>>29900020
>he thinks XY is better than SM

Wew lad, must suck living with taste that abysmal.

>>29900042
Yes Lillie is great and cute but if she gets forced into the game every cutscene I start hating her. Especially if this game is Pokemon and not MoeMoe Waifu Simulator 2017.

>>29900042
I don't hate Lillie but I sure fucking hate how they used her and how she's the MC.

I like story too but this one is just bad, and I'd rather have a barebones plot than one that annoys me.

>>29900054
I didn't even mention XY because everyone knows those were a disgrace. They aren't worth mentioning in any context, they weren't even a finished game. You'd have more fun playing on Showdown with the new Megas than playing the actual game. At least DP were regarded by most as finished games.

>>29900057
>>29900072
I still liked Lillie's role in the story. I actually wanted MORE of her. But then again, I wanted more of the story in general, and less predictability.

I liked the cutscenes but the fact that they often felt like wild battles in the way they would just pop up, and how they would just go on forever sometimes, leading you through a whole chain of events... That shit is annoying.

>>29900117
>I actually wanted MORE of her.
You already get a cutscene every 30 minutes about her, and she's already the main character in the story. You can't fucking get more of Lillie without this turning into an interactive movie.

>>29899907
Just feed it 3 of those rainbow snacks, instant full hearts.

>>29900179
Depends how you play the game, because in my opinion, the game is very badly-paced and the story isn't fleshed out enough until it's too late.

>>29889555
>555
kamen rider faiz called, he wants his trips back.

>>29900904
/thread

>>29889632
literally who cares. the only gameplay worth caring about in a pokemon game is the postgame. might as well have something entertaining before then like an actual story