Why are people saying this thing will be good? It has incredibly

Well, it gets Fire Blast at least.

It's insanely heavy and can use a steel move that is insanely powerful because it's based on weight iirc.

>>29883683
I don't really see how fire coverage can possibly make it as good as people think it will be. It looks UU at absolute best simply because of its typing.

>>29883651
>It has incredibly averaged stats
100+ defenses and 97 HP aren't average you idiot, and its amazing typing compliments it very well.
>and a super shallow movepool where the only utility move is Leech Seed.
It has all the coverage it needs and the strongest Heavy Slam in the game.

She weights 999.9kg and can learn Heavy Slam.

It's the heaviest Heavy Slam user in the game so at least there's that.

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>>29883739
>at least

>>29883727
>100+ defenses and 97 HP aren't average you idiot, and its amazing typing compliments it very well.
And it's only fucking recovery is Leech Seed. Again, how is this possibly better than Skarmory?

>>29883728
>>29883739
>>29883714
A strong Steel STAB won't make it good with that attack stat.

>>29883763
It will be a good day when I never have to see that fuck's face again.

>>29883768
>Again, how is this possibly better than Skarmory?
By not being like Skarmory at all?
Skarmory is a wall, Celesteela is a bulky attacker.
Milotic and Pyukumuku have the same typing, but different roles.

>>29883822
Cool

>>29883822
>implying he'll ever lose his meme status

>>29883768
Its attack stat is 9 less than mega-aggron, and its heavier. So heavy slam from this mon is nothing to sneeze at.

It walls non corrosion poison (among other types) which has been buffed in gen 7. Also it gets beast boost in SpA, and can bait out grass types with leech seed/fire blast

>>29883651
FAERIES BE GONE

>>29883651
Bulky attacker with a fantastic typing. Don't think of it as a wall like Skarmory/Ferrothorn, think more like a smaller M-Metagross but without needing a mega stone.

>>29883651
it's a decently threatening attacker with a ton of switch-in opportunities. not 100% sold on it myself cause it has bad 4MSS but your comparisons to skarm and ferro are definitely missing the point

>>29883931
Not to mention weaker and slower as hell with unmajored attacking options

>>29883768
>it has the same type as X so it's outclassed by it.

Does it get stealth rocks/spikes and rapid spin?
looks like it might, and if it does it'll have some kind of utility regardless of mediocre attack and no recovery

>>29884293
nope

>>29884293
It doesn't get any entry hazards. At all. So it can't pull a "bulky steel uses hazards" set if it wanted to.

Not even Rapid Spin bro. No one knows what this shit is supposed to do.

>>29884342
>>29884340
So why are people comparing it to mega aggron?
Aggron's whole gimmick is to be a very bulky rock setter with no weaknesses. Heavy slam is only used because it's better than nothing

>>29883651
Mesprit part II

>>29884417
Except Mesprit has a ton of options while Celesteela has jack shit outside of Autotomize and Leech Seed sets.

>>29884484
>mespirit has a ton of options
and yet, it's still complete trash

>>29884417
tru

>>29884549
So Celesteela will reach the trashiest trash of trash, it all comes together.

>>29883822
>>>/pol/

>>29884584
yes, thank you for coming to understand what everyone else was saying

>a bulky mixed attacker with a two-stage speed move
It may not be top-tier, but it WILL be a threat.

>>29883927
>Its attack stat is 9 less than mega-aggron
anon, I think you need to go back to elementary school maths

>>29884410
People are comparing the damage it deals with Heavy Slam with the damage that mega-Aggron deals with it you donut. It has nothing to do with how they should be used.

>>29884342
>No one knows what this shit is supposed to do
It's been said a million times in this thread alone, it's a bulky attacker that can be either physical or special.

>>29883651
>Xurkitree used Zap Cannon!

>>29884984
>but it failed!

>>29884984
>implying xurkitree wont be killed by any scarf ground ever

>>29885064
>equip scarf on Xurkitree
>use Energy Ball
gg ;)

>>29883768
It's the heaviest Pokemon and it learns Heavy slam.

>>29885105
The most common ground types are neutral to Energy Ball.

>>29885143
>Xurkitree used HP Ice
see ya kid

>>29884984
>Zap Cannon
enjoy never ever hitting anything with zap miss

>>29885165
Easy to predict. It's also a shitty move to be locked in, especially for a scarf user.

>>29883651
Steel/flying is one of the best typings in the game and it has way more special bulk than skarmory and WAY more offense in exchange for a little less physical bulk.

>>29885295
And no recovery so this thing won't be a wall ever
inb4 leech seed

>>29885337
It's not a wall, it's a bulky attacker. Look at its stats and movepool.

>>29885295
It has no fucking recovery and subpar offenses you retard.

>>29885409
and skarmory is a wall so comparing them is dumb in a first palce

>>29885418
>subpar offenses
Not for a tank.

>Switch to Celesteela safely because it resists fucking everything
>Autotomize while they switch
>Surprise kill it with Fire Blast/Heavy Slam
>Beast Boost raises attacking stat of choice, depending on what EVs you're running
>Sweep team, gaining more damage after each KO while outspeeding everything thanks to Autotomize
Why do people think this is bad?

>>29885528
>he thinks beast boost boosts attack after an autotomize
lol

>>29885418
It has special moxie coming off good special attack and stupidly good defensive stats/typing. It'll be registeel if registeel wasn't bad.

I'm thinking it'll either be BL at absolute worst. This thing isn't going anywhere near UU.

Heavy slam
Earthquake
Fire blast
Leech seed
It gets all these moves. Leech seed seems to keep ferrothorn relevant, why not this thing? Anything immune to leech seed gets absolutely blasted by fire blast or heavy slam. Eq for fire types. It even has air slash if mega venu stays relevant. It looks decent in ou, having an amazing type for switchin opportunities and strong base power moves with really good coverage for killing things. Also has seed bomb for water/grounds. Leech seed to bother /mess with anything it can't hit and I guess you can run automatize aswell, but I personally wouldn't

>>29885829
Air Slash > EQ I think

>>29885829
Ferrothorn has higher bulk and entry hazards.

>>29885581

>Autotomize while they switch
>Surprise kill it with Fire Blast/Heavy Slam

>Sweep team, gaining more damage after each KO while outspeeding everything thanks to Autotomize

>(You)
reeding comprehension WHERE?!?

>>29884813
more like a niche counter. Can't do much itself but can switch in safely and use an SE coverage move

>>29886009
celesteela has well-rounded stats, a better movepool, and the ability to kill any fire types who think about switching in (rather than just leech seeding or paralyzing them)

>>29886068
>I don't know how Beast Boost works
dumb or just retarded?

>>29885902
no eq leaves you walled by the two types that actually hit you super-effectively.

>>29886112
>and the ability to kill any fire types who think about switching in
What fucking shit can this even do to a Fire type? Non-STAB EQ with ~100 Atk? Lol get the fuck out of here, that isn't OHKO'ing shit.

>>29886375
252+ Atk Celesteela Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 384-456 (99.4 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Celesteela Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Infernape: 268-316 (91.4 - 107.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

bulky fire types like volcanion can try to switch into it but it will lose ~50% and another 25% from stealth rock, making them as good as dead

>>29886642
>Heatran without Balloon
>Implying Infernape is relevant
Not to mention your calculator REQUIRES Stealth Rock for those numbers. A move Celesteela can't learn which is half the reason it's going to be shit.
>JUST RUN IT ON SOMETHING ELSE
That's the problem here, Celesteela fills NO role on a team. It's just kinda bulky with okay offenses and good typing. It gets no utility and can't do anything fancy, it's predictable and bad.

>>29886835
>muh gimmicks

>>29886933
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm saying there's no reason any team has to use Celesteela over some other Pokemon. Name one scenario where this thing is your best choice.

Go on, I'll wait.

>>29886140
>>I don't know how Beast Boost works

>dumb or just retarded?

>570 BST
>bad
What drugs are you people on?

>>29887326
A BST doesn't make a Pokemon good. Especially one below pseudo tier.

>>29887326
>Articuno has a BST of 580 so it must be good!

>>29887504
Articuno is ruined by its shit typing and poor stat distribution. Celesteela is very good in both regards.

>>29886974
In case I need a special based Pokemon that can remove fairy types and take hits.

>>29887527
Celesteela is ruined by an incredibly shallow movepool, no recovery, and zero utility.

>>29887596
>incredibly shallow movepool
It has strong STABs with Gyro Ball, Heavy Slam and Air Slash, and excellent coverage with Giga Drain, Seed Bomb, Fire Blast and Earthquake.
Leech Seed and Giga Drain are recovery.

>>29887632
>using non STAB giga drain on a mon with 100 SpA

Lol. You're a casual, right?

>>29883728
Damn, she thicc

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>>29887632
>Leech Seed and Giga Drain are recovery.

Could all you brainwashed cultists fuck off back to smogon please.

If you want to talk competitive, only VGC should be discussed as it's the only real official metagame.

>>29887742
107 SpA, it should work well enough for coverage and regaining some HP. It's a common move on Galvantula too, a pokemon with the exact same SpA.

>>29887822
Ferrothorn is OU thanks to Leech Seed

>>29887840
This thing is even worse in VGC.

>>29887840
I'm the OP anon and I don't recall ever once mentioning Smogon or VGC.

>>29887969
Ferrothorn is OU thanks to AMAZING bulk and typing combined with an INCREDIBLE support movepool including entry hazards. You're retarded.

>>29888099
And unlike steel princess here he can actually use Thunder Wave and has an ability that's more suited for defensive purposes.

>>29888099

Don't forget its great ability.

>>29887632
And outside of Autotomize, Flash Cannon, and, uh, acrobatics and Ingrain? (I GUESS) Nothing else really.

Damn thing can't even run some gimmick set of CM + Ingran

>>29888442
That's because it's a shitmon.

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>>29884891
>maths

get out of my board eurocuck, and stay out

>>29889336
Yeah, how dare those evil european teachers teach math to children instead of creationism?

>>29889376
He meant the Brit spelling

>>29889505
Fuck off then turdteeth, nobody likes you, both Americucks and us euros despise you.

Is this another "random /vp/ poster makes a ass of himself and gets blown the fuck out later once the meta settles down" thread? Because we always have a lot of those on new gen release.

>>29890461
Anon I really think OP is right on this one. Celesteela looks like UU material, BL at best.

>>29885064
of course, but this doesn't mean it doesn't at least 2hko the entire game. Not "everything in OU" or "everything you're likely to see", the entire game. Having weaknesses doesn't make things not broken.

>>29890461
They'll be BTFO like those people that kept saying Mega Sableye wouldn't good because it lost prankster

>>29884342
Shes suppose to be my wife