Has anyone used this thing? I'm trying to understand why

It's called STAB you mong

Because STAB = Critical hit. It's the same bonus. And liquidation has base power 85 while crunch has 80.

>>29883679
>>29883718

Just read, you fucks.

>>29883617
>STAB Liquidation

85 * 1.5 < 80 * 2

Yet Liquidation deals more damage. Why?

>>29883617
What?
Crunch super-effective: 80×2=160
STAB Liquidation: 85×1.5=127.5

>>29883847
Exactly. Is there an unmentioned effect with Water Bubble?

>>29883815
What are you using it on?
Could be rain. I don't know without details.

>>29883815
>>29883847
Generation 6 changed critical hits to 1.5x damage...

>>29883875
The Elite Four's Drifblim. This effect applies to anything: Liquidation is also noticeably stronger than Leech Life despite being a mere 5 *1.5 base power difference.

>>29883883
OP doesn't mention critical hits

>>29883898
Oh so when he said to read, I should of actually read what he was saying... my bad.

>>29883617
Nah youre just a fucking retard

Is this without any debuffs to the opponent's DEF? Maybe you did something like
>Crunch
>Enemy's Defense was lowered!
>Liquidation
and just didn't notice you got the debuff

>>29883968
No buffs, the damage is consistently higher with Liquidation.

No, because Golisopod is for all intents and purposes better than this piece of shit.

>>29883617
Is Liquidation physical? If it's special that may explain the difference, dunno the base stats.

>>29883987
>>29883617

It doesn't you are mistaken.

>>29884243
Both are physical. Gonna upload a webm shortly.

>>29883918
"Should have". "Should of" doesn't exist

>>29883617
OP, you gotta tell us what mon you're using it on and the situation of the battle, so we can figure out why.

Interesting if true though. Water Bubble is not the best ability in the world for Araquanid so I'd like to see if it's redeemed a little.

>>29883617
Dewpider has a chance to hold Mystic Water when you catch it, are you sure this isn't the case?

>>29884375
Mine is holding Smoke Ball.

Two minutes until the webm is ready. Exit if you want to avoid spoilers.

>>29884442
Kek, file size exceeds 3 MB. Gonna upload an MP4 somewhere instead.

>>29884442
>>29884527
https://sendvid.com/ij9u2pa1

>>29884572
the difference actually that major, it could just be damage rolls

>>29884572
Oh fuck, OP's not crazy.

Hmm.... I haven't looked at any of the new items... Do could any of them cause this? Maybe Drifblim's holding something.

It might be Water Bubble though.

>>29884572
WHAT THE FUCK

>>29884572
Interesting. Test it with something that cancels your ability.

>>29884626
Driflbim is not the only target. I can't come close enough to killing the Sableye before it with Leech Life, but get a guaranteed kill with Liquidation.

>>29884572
Just ran a damage calc. The maximum damage for Liquidation is only 2% below the minimum for Crunch. This isn't too unusual.

>>29884572
Fucking how

Does liquidation have a secondary effect?
It can't be min-max damage, as 85x1.5<80x2x0.85

>>29884746
iirc,
same secondary effect as crunch, chance to lower defense.

>>29884720
It happens all the time. The opponent just used a Full Restore and I used Liquidation again, dealing something like 60-65%. We saw Crunch do something like 40% in the video (and I'm telling you, it always happens).

>>29884442
Can you upload a video with the damage rolls while showing that you're actually holding a Smoke Ball?
Just want to make 100% sure you're telling the truth.

>>29884804
even with a mystic water it doesnt do enough damage.

>>29884804
Uploading a video is a pain the dick, but okay.

Give me about 5 minutes.

it definitely looks like water bubble is giving a boost ~50%

>>29884626

>Protective Pads
An item to be held by a Pokémon. These pads protect the holder from effects caused by making direct contact with the target.

I cannot find any information on whether Liquidation makes contact..... If it doesn't, this would explain why Crunch does less damage. Do you have anyone on your team with Thief, OP? Or the TM for it?

>>29884860
If that's true then this is not as shitmon as people thought.

>>29884879
how does that explain this

>>29884879
That just protects you from shit like iron barbs

>>29884860
I hope so.... Araquanid's ability makes no sense. It's just Water Veil with a Fire resist but Araquanid is neutral to Fire so it's a bit pointless.

I'd like there to be something more to it.

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>>29884572
>>29884833
....did they change it so that primary STAB granted an extra boost or does Water Bubble grant a boost of its own ?

>>29884879
Protective pads has nothing to do with this situation. It refers to things like iron barbs, rocky helmet, static, etc.

>>29884879
the pads only work when used offensively, meaning they only protect from Iron Barbs, Static, Flame Body, etc.

lessee... the crunch has a 2x multiplier for being super effective, the liquidation only has STAB going for it which is usually a 1.5x multiplier, yet liquidation does more?
so... does water bubble also function like a water type specific adaptability or something?

Maybe Liquidation does more damage after a fire-type move triggers Water Bubble ability?

>>29884916
>>29884921
Oh fuck you're right, I read that wrong. I thought it made contact moves do less damage.

I'd say it's Water Bubble then. The description probably just doesn't mention that detail.

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>yfw Araquanid ends up not being total garbage

>>29884804
>>29884833
Taking min-max damage and mystic water into consideration:
85*1.5*1.2=153
80*2*0.85=136

So it can do more damage in the best case scenario, but still not enough to explain the video.

>>29884941
That would make sense since Drifblim keeps using Wil-o-Wisp on it..

>>29884804
>>29884854
https://sendvid.com/g2w8nd47

Liquidation dealing barely over 50% the second time around. Still higher than Crunch's 40%.

>>29885008
Not the case. Sableye (the Pokemon before the Drifblim) doesn't use Wisp and I can't KO it with anything other than Liquidation, and it's not even close.

>>29884927
Didn't think about this one, but I feel my Salazzle's Flamethrower is just as good as Sludge Bomb.

an unlisted damage boost from water bubble is exactly the sort of thing people would miss for a couple days because it was assumed this was a shitmon

>>29885043
...maybe Dewpider's ability increases water-type moves power (aka adaptability)

>>29885108
try this with other pokemon OP. See if Primary stab does more damage.

>>29885142
this is way less likely to have been missed than just a better water bubble

>>29885142
I will test with Salazzle because it is the only Pokemon in my team with STABs of the same base power. This will be the only test regarding this theory, because one strike and it's disproven.

>>29885197
No difference spotted. At least on my end.

The problem is either Water Bubble or Liquidation itself, but I'm inclined to believe it's Water Bubble.

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>>29884969
We need more testing

>>29885197
If you have PKhex, try use a Water Absorb Araquanid, this way we can tell if it's Water Bubble that grants the boosts.

Or anyone that has PKhex, try and do this, this could be big.

>>29885287
Unfortunately, I don't.

>>29883617
>>29884572
This is very interesting.

>>29884572
So it seems like Water Bubble grant a boost to Water moves, on the top of Burn immunity
Araquanid(68/70/92/50/132/42), you may not be a shitmon after all

>>29883948
>>29884014
>>29884260
BTFO

>>29885433
It's burn immunity, halving fire attacks on user's side AND additional water power.

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>>29885433
>my new bugbro is not shit

>>29885287
I'll give it a try

>>29885501
>70 attack
it's shit.

>>29885280
Well at this point it seems obvious that it must be Water Bubble that's doing it, but it might only grant the boost to the Move Liquidification instead of Water moves in general.

I mean Liquidation is described as the user cloaking itself in water and then charging the target. It would make sense if it does more damage with Water Bubble because that means you're already cloaked in water.

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>>29885525
No, fuck you, I'm not letting you take this away.
it's supposed to be a defensive mon, anyway

>>29885525
>56 Attack
>Diggersby is OU

Yeah, raw numbers on paper are the only way to judge Pokemon.

>>29885287
Not that big, since Araquanid is a shitmon.

>>29885525
it won't be OU or anything but even with 70 attack, an extra damage boost gives it a few applications in lower tiers

>>29883617
Kinda off topic, but was this thing playable ingame or was it complete trash ?

>>29885525
A 1.5 boost is pretty big, no matter the base stat. Assuming the boost is 1.5, Araquanid would hit with the equivalent of a base 130 attack when using water move.

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UU or RU people saying its a shitmon because of its offensive stats when its highest stats are defensive the extra damage boost from water bubble is just another positive for this Pokemon.

>>29885599
>Diggersby
>56 attack
With Huge Power it has base 162 attack.

Even with the power boost from Water Bubble it needs at least 80-90 attack to make it usable.

>>29885755
It was underwhelming. 70 base Attack doesn't lie.

Once it got Liquidation, it became alright, but that came in very late. Mirror Coat was pretty much the best use I found for it.

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>>29884572
>>29884969
>>29885433
>>29885501
There is hope for some of these 'mons

>>29885521
OP here. Any news?

>>29885785
Read this: >>29885771
Base 130 is very usable, especially with those defensive stats. Shame it only works on water moves though.

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>>29885781
Yeah, but remember this is /vp/ which is full of autistic faggots with mommy/fur fetishes who couldn't properly battle if their lives depended on it.

>>29885816
I see. Thank you.
I love its design I'm so mad it has only 70 atk

>>29885901
Well, Water's got pretty got coverage on it's own. Only Dragon, Grass, and Water resist it, and Bug will hit those neutrally (and Super-effective on Grass).

It's got potential.

For PKHex people, try making Water Bubble be an ability for Primarina or whatever and see if surf deals more damage to an E4 mon or something.

>>29885876
Yes
The difference between both liquidations is too noticeable, so for now we can safely say that water bubble does make liquidation more powerful
Still need to test more attacks though

What if other type reduction/immunity got a Steelworker-like buff?

>>29886074
Nice. We know Water Bubble is the source.

Wonder what the boost is. Try Water Bubble on a non-Water type. Something like Surf Tauros with regular ability, and Surf Tauros with Water Bubble. Maybe it's an Adaptability-like buff, and maybe it's just a standard X% buff.

>>29885785
That's not how it works you retard.

>>29883617
>>29884572

I went and tested this. Water Bubble DOUBLES the power of Water-type moves. Gamefreak and their classic fucking ability descriptions.

>>29886152
Proof, nigga?

>>29886152
Thanks man.

>>29886152
Isn't it just STAB + 50%?

>>29886152
How does STAB factor in?

>>29886152
>it doubles it
S-so, how powerfull is the move now ?

>>29886152
That'd be huge if it's true.

We need some vids and numbers.

>>29886152
where the proofs? im not doubting but doubling the power of water type moves means this thing hits like a fucking truck
does it count STAB? give us the numbers

>>29885955
It should have been a special attack counterpart to Wimpod2 IMO.
Or yeah, higher attack.

>>29886152
so its a water specific version of adaptability where the STAB multiplier is 2 instead of 1.5

>>29886195
I probly should've screencapped before exiting battle but a wild wingull that has a 3 damage common roll on Water Gun gets boosted to a 6 damage roll when skill swapped Water Bubble.

>>29886202
>>29886203
2 * 1.5 = 3x. So a liquidation from Araquanid has 85*3=255 Base Power.

MY BUG IS SAVED

It probably gIves a x1.5 boost which would cause the move to have x2.25 power with STAB factored in

>>29883847
Is liquidation physical or special?

>>29886152
Please be real. I love this subnautica lookin ass spider. I want him to be usable so badly.

>>29886293
Physical.

>>29886282
We made it bro. We finally fucking made it.

>>29886152
Hey I'm >>29886074 and yes, it only affects water type moves (tested with liquidation, bubbles and crunch)
I know nothing about numbers, but really the difference between both Araquanid is big, and they're only level 10

So Araquanid is actually pretty fucking decent, then?

And an unburnable physical attacker!

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BUBBLE BUG IS SAVED

>>29886338
And with good defenses if I remember the stat sheet right, too.

Still burdened with the slow speed that all Alolamons suffer from though

I WANT TO BELIEVE!

>>29886390
Mate, I literally posted proof that it hits harder than it should. What more do you need?

>>29886338
Holy shit it might be NU now.

I really like its design. A shame it doesn't get Sticky Web.

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me rn

Water Bubble is actually a fucking amazing ability then. It's literally Water Veil + Heatproof + Huge Power for Water moves. I just wish Araquanid's movepool was a little better. They were so generous with Swords Dance and U-Turn this gen, why didn't this guy get them? Or Sticky Web like any other spidermon.

Here are its stats again
HP: 68
Atk: 70
Def: 92
SpAtk: 50
SpDef: 132
Spe: 42

>>29886152
>>29886275

I went and double checked to see if this has something to do with being a STAB multiplier (this would effectively bring down the power in certain scenarios). It's not. You just get doubled base power on all of your water attacks.

Enjoy, Bubble Bug bros.

>>29886366
I'm so happy but I'm mad about the fact that almost every new mon I want to play are Bug-Type

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokemon-sun-moon-battle-mechanics-research.3586701/page-15#post-7079829
Confirmed.

>>29886437
because diving bell spiders dont spin webs

also it gets some good coverage and has an unbelievable spdef if you run an assvest for whatever reason

probably not UU because of all the bulky waters, likely top-tier RU

>>29886454
>Not wanting to go all-out bugfag and run an all-bug team
Just let it happen bugbro

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>>29886453
>>29886475
This is great news. Bless you anons.

>>29886475
>a literal who saying the exact same thing many people here are saying
>confirmed

Come back when SciresM and/or Kaphotics said it in a non-Smogon page.

>>29886453
>Entrainment
>Double Water Move power on the target.
It might actually be strong in VGC

>>29886454
Sounds like an Alolan adventure.

>>29886505
My autism can't really allow it, but I'm still very happy about Bubblebro not being trash

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Holy shit, my favorite Alolamon isn't complete garbage.

so... give it an assault vest, liquidation, leechlife for recovery, maybe that new lunge move (base 80 bug move that lowers enemy atk) and some other move?

85 (Base) * 2 (Water Bubble) * 1.5 (STAB) * 2 (Super Effective) * 1.5 (Critical Hit) * 1.2 (Mystical Water) = 918

>>29886475
I'm so fucking happy.

THIS IS NOW AN ARAQUANID CELEBRATION THREAD

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Does it affect Z-moves?

>320 BP hydro vortex

>this thread

Feels good, I was going to use Araquanid anyway, even if it's not OU

When using a physical water move and with max attack investment, this thing has the equivalent of a base 190 attack stat. Damn. It might not make OU due to the fact that it ONLY works on water moves, but it's certainly not the PU trash everyone thought it was.

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>>29886584
Good Lord.

Does it work on special moves?

>>29886581
Maybe brave with an ice move in the last spot?

>>29886644
Pretty sure my Bubble Beams were better than they were supposed to be. My Araquanid was Careful.

>golisopod might be a great bulky pivot
>water spoder might be an extremely potent wallbreaker if they dont resist water
>pheramosa is almost guaranteed ubers
>buzzwole is a fucking god
>vikavolt is slow but can blow through walls and becomes the sweeper it always wanted to be in trick room or
>ribombee has speed swap
>even fucking ariados got a buff and signature move


IS THIS THE ULTIMATE GEN FOR BUGBROS

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>bugbros win again against all odds
Now if only we can find a hidden element of Vikavolt my life will be perfect

>>29886671
>ariados signature move
FUCK I missed that. What is it ?!!

Does Water Bubble double the amount of PS recovered with Aqua Ring?

>>29886530
Are you one of those fags that insisted Unaware was changed for like 3 days after we figured out it wasn't until PhD posted his video?

>>29886708
string shot+toxic

>>29886530
Check the rest of the thread. This guy is legit.

>>29886708
string shot + poison

>>29886710
I haven't noticed anything while playing.

>>29886718
B L E S S E D BY THE B U G S

>>29886584
you forgot rain boost... how much does rain boost water moves again?

>>29886671
We deserve it after gen 6.

>>29886716
No. I won't believe shit from literal whos until I see confirmation from the dataminers.

>>29886671
>Talonflame is doomed

THE BUG REIGN HAS TAKEN OVER

>>29886718
Is it really TOXIC? Or just Poison?

>>29886671
>Leech life + bravest bird nerf
ALL YOU HAD TO SAY SENPAI

>>29886533
Golisopod And Araquanid could be a hell of a tag team.

>>29886783
just poison

Does Aquanid get entrainment?

>>29886735
Is it normal poison or toxic poison?

>>29886798
Yes.

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>>29886781
>tfw no more Talonflame

I almost feel bad because I'm sure other people liked it but fuck this thing.

It also doubles the power of Hydro Vortex.

>>29886810
Aquanid and Primarina will be my doubles core.

This makes me so happy. I love physical attackers and I love bubble bugs design

>>29886848
holy shit

If true, Araquanid can potentially throw out THE strongest BP Z-move in the game

where were you when Araquanid was saved from Alolan hell

>>29886848
>Water Bubble Primarina with Hydro Pump/Liquid Voice HV
Don't even joke about that shit.

>>29886607
It does.

To give you guys an idea of what we're dealing with here, this ability is like Huge Power for Water moves.

Here's how much a Modest Specs Keldeo does:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 295-348 (86.5 - 102%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

And here's how much our boy does:
252+ Atk Choice Band Araquanid Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 339-400 (99.4 - 117.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

>>29886908
>Water Bubble and Liquid Voice at the same time
?

>>29886908
>Water Bubble with Liquid Voice
yeah why don't you also add huge power in there

>>29886925
>>29886928
Ha, sorry. My bad. Surf then.

FUCK

This thread has given me even more hype for the competitive scene, especially VGC.

Thanks bros.

>>29886718
Sticky Web + Poison actually

160 (Liquidation's Hydro Vortex BP) * 2 (Water Bubble) * 1.5 (STAB) * 2 (SE) * 1.5 (Critical) * 1.5 (During Rain) = 2160

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>>29886848
>It also doubles the power of Hydro Vortex
Truly, this is the gen of water/bugbros.

>>29886960
>>29886797
>>29886718
What is it

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>>29886908
>Water Bubble Kyogre with Water Spout

Welp, I think I found a new member for my /electricterraindance/ team for VGC

>>29887000
oh god and it'll even have set up the rain before hand...

85 Base Attack + 2x boost in water type moves + 1.5x STAB boost

I'm gonna cry.

>>29887019
70 base attack.

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BUG BROS REJOICE

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>>29887000
>Water Bubble Primal Kyogre with Water Spout

>>29884572
Well I'll be damned he's not total shit. I still don't think he'll be "meta" by any means but when you really need to hard counter fire types he's your go to mon.

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>>29887052
>azumarill
>diggersby

>>29886996
It's just -1 speed and regular poison. The move is called toxic thread.

What other secrets are the new abilities hiding? Might Beast Boost and the Legendary Renamed Abilities do something else? And how much of a boost is Steelworker anyway?

Post names for araquanid
I'll start: Physalis (greek)

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>>29886923
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

>>29887018
252+ SpA Kyogre Hydro Vortex vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey in Rain: 609-717 (94.8 - 111.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

>>29887052
You can get away with having low attack as long as your moves are strong as fuck, just ask Talonflame.
Also, see >>29886923

>>29887089
He's a godsend to Monotype Bug teams.

>>29887121
Spider
Because of that video

In terms of damage since water bubble is like huge power for water moves then can someone test which out of the two dish out more damage with water moves. Azu our Bubblebug?

Doesn't this mean terrible things for Little Cup since Dewpider has Water Bubble?

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>>29887161
That thing is gonna tear a hole in that format.

>>29887121
Would Bubble Buddy fit? I don't think it would.

>>29887148
Azumarill has 50 base attack compared to Araquanid's base 75, so all things equal, Araquanid outdamages it with water moves (it does about ×1.5 more damage if I'm not mistaken?).

So How does this sound for doubles?

Entrainment
Liquidation/Scald
Wide Guard
Leech life

>>29887252
oh shit, this fucker gets wide guard?

>>29887228
If I counted correctly, it will

>>29887121
Aquaranid

>>29886502
They can though. Their bells are supported by webs

>>29887228
Yeah it would actually, it's 12 letters max

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>>29887271

>>29887094
>>29887137
Yes I am aware of this, I was correcting him. He said 85. Maybe read what I respond to, asshats.

>>29887297
Maybe try having basic reading comprehension skills.

>>29887229
Azumarill has the equivalent of base 150 attack. Araquanid has base 190.

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>>29887000
>modest, 252, +6 specs Kyogre
>critical Hydro Vortex in the rain
>-6, naughty, 0IV level 1 geodude

I need the calcs on this

>>29887324
Maybe if you read what I had responded to, you'd see that I actually have them. It only has base 70 Attack, not 85 like he said. Learn to read.

>>29887297
I think by 85 he meant liquidations base attack power

holy shit you guys

This thing gets stab 80 BP aqua jet

>>29887364
It doesn't get Aqua Jet.

>>29887364
It doesn't get Aqua Jet

>>29887297
>>29887350
He was obviously referring to Liquidation you fucking retard

Turns out metroid with legs is really good after all.

>>29887364
It doesn't get Aqua Jet...

>>29887294
>>29887270
Well I'm set then.

>>29887119
At least Necrozma's doesn't do anything special, and Steelworker seems to be 1.33x

>>29887364
It
does n't
get
Aqua
Jet
.

>>29887393
Then perhaps he should've said "85 base power" instead of "85 base attack." 85 Base attack very clearly refers to the stat itself.

Anyone have list of all the moves bubblebug can learn?

>>29887370
Fuck I'm a moron nvm

Time to hope for tutors

>>29887263
Yeah it learns Wide Guard.

Other sorta notable moves are Frost Breath and
It also gets Power Split as an Egg move (along with stockpile)

Spread the word. Araquanid is op support

>>29887420
- Wide Guard
- Soak
- Bubble
- Infestation
- Spider Web
- Bug Bite
5 Infestation
8 Spider Web
13 Bug Bite
16 Bubble Beam
21 Bite
26 Aqua Ring
33 Leech Life
38 Crunch
45 Lunge
50 Mirror Coat
57 Liquidation
62 Entrainment
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM13 Ice Beam
TM14 Blizzard
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM20 Safeguard
TM21 Frustration
TM27 Return
TM28 Leech Life
TM32 Double Team
TM33 Reflect
TM42 Facade
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM48 Round
TM55 Scald
TM79 Frost Breath
TM81 X-Scissor
TM83 Infestation
TM84 Poison Jab
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM94 Surf
TM98 Waterfall
TM100 Confide

Egg Power Split
Egg Aurora Beam
Egg Stockpile
Egg Spit Up

>>29887419
Then perhaps you should've read the fucking thread and have at least a little bit of reading comprehension. It's not our fault you can't read for shit.

>>29887121
BubbleBuddy
Subnautica
Diver
Scuba
Bubblebug

I'm not terribly creative.

>>29887348
Assuming Vortex is base 150:

+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Hydro Vortex (150 BP) vs. -6 0 HP / 0- SpD Geodude in Rain on a critical hit: 3799708-4470252 (31664233.3 - 37252100%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>29887348
+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Hydro Vortex vs. -6 0 HP / 0- SpD Geodude in Rain on a critical hit: 9372592-11026584 (78104933.3 - 91888200%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>29887463
Do you have a link to the learnsets? I used to use Kaphotics' videos for the moves but they were Nintendo'd.

>>29887463
it gets power split

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>>29887508

>>29887480
Except I did read the thread. The very first time it was referred to as "85 base attack" instead of "85 power" or "85 base power" was that person's reply. Not my fault you aren't capable of thinking even slightly.

>>29887531
https://paste (dot) ee/r/zYMUr

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>>29886923
Holy shit. That's pretty legit if it hits harder that Keldeo. Mite B Cool.

So he's actually decent now? I can use him without feeling too bad or gimped? This gen is great simply because I love me my bug niggas.

>Wide Guard
>Soak
>Spider Web
>Mirror Coat
>Entrainment
>Power Split

Dear God this thing was designed just to become the ultimate annoyance nightmare in Doubles.

>>29887502
I'm Naming it Dessgeega

>>29887508
Sturdy ;)

>>29887463
A well-timed Power split could be fairly useful

>>29887546
>thread all about the damage of luiquidation and this thing's ability
>gee, what does base attack mean on this context?

>>29887531
https://paste. ee/r/zYMUr

Here ya go. This is where I get the info.
Had to put a space, so make sure you remove it.

>>29886923
Choice Band Araquanid new meta

>>29887507
>>29887508
Wait, you can't use specs with hydro vortex because of waterium

>>29887463
Definitely made for doubles, but it may have a niche, especially in Rain teams

>>29887589
>70 base attack is mentioned throughout the thread several times
>85 base power or 85 power was what was used to refer to Liquidation prior to his reply
>85 base attack is mentioned, so I correct him
>LEL U CANT RED
At least try to come up with a reasonable argument.

>>29887552
Thanks.

>>29886584
Santa madre del señor

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My faith in bubble buddy has been rewarded.

Years ago I got the 9696969 or similar get while speculating about a diving bell spider Bug/Water.

BY THE MEMES, PRAISE KEK.

>>29887582
Power split on an ttar switching in assuming your not running any atk investment and investment in spd and hp you'll have 130 base atk and great defenses with huge power for water type not to mention you cant get burned and ttar will have 70 base atk.

>>29886671
>Mega Beedrill doesn't have to run Protect anymore
>Talonflame is kill
This is the second coming of gen 5 for bug bros

>>29887663
Thanks a lot for your meme ! You saved bubblebro

>SM has TWO decent water/bug mons

what a time to be alive

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>mfw I ran a monotype Bug team the entirety of the gen 6
>This happens
>Accelgor now has special Water Shuriken
>Heard Masquerian in basically saved now
>Been on a losing streak for a while now because LOL TALONFLAME and PRIMAL, PRIMAL EVERYWHERE

IT'S BEEN WORTH IT I'LL HAVE MY REVENGE

>>29887687
This feels even bigger than what happened in Gen 5.

>>29883617
>>29887274

>>29887762
Are you serious? OP literally proved this. You are in the thread this was discovered.

>>29887762
I made that thread after reading this one, mostly just to spell it out to the "I CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO READ THROUGH A THREAD" types.

>>29887141
It feels like we got a lot of great stuff for monotype this gen. Fire got a massively buffed torkoal and another water neutrality (turtunator), water got a physical grass check/rain setter whose type doesn't overlap with anything but gyarados (pelliper), ice got snowslash, slush rush, another hail setter, and aurora veil, dragon got another fairy neutrality (turt again) and a hyper voice switch in (kommo-o), poison got toxapex, a better psychic immunity/pursuit trapper (Alolan muk), and a fast way to poison or directly kill steel types like skarmory (salazzle), electric got tapu koko (and maybe Alolan golem), psychic got tapu lele and bruxish, grass got tapu bulu and kind of tsareena (could work as a spinner), ghost finally got a spinner (dhelmise), two knock off switchins (mimikyu and marshadow before it's banned), normal got bewear who can eat a close combat, drampa as a general water/firegrass check, and oranguru as another fighting neutrality. Don't even get me started on bug types. Monotype looks like a ton of fun this gen.

it has entrainment huh? that's going to be fun in vgc
gyarados will like this

Are any of the other bug types good?

Got linked here by a friend since I'm avoiding spoilers like the plague

>>29887228
It just barely fits

>>29887855
yeah actually most of them are

>>29887855
Golisopod is love

>Araquanid used Entrainment on Golisopod

Water/Bug for life.

Someone screepcap this thread. We struck gold.

>>29887855
Wimpod evo is strange but good
UB Beauty is broken
UB Swolesquito is strong
Comfey is relatively good, nice exsclusive move
Vikavolt is pretty bad

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>mfw it gets scald

>>29884299
LOL nice one dude ;))

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>yfw Bug bro since forever

>MFW Araquanid + Greninja in doubles

>Araquanid used Entrainment!
>Ash-Greninja's Battle Bond turns into Entrainment
>Ash-Greninja used Water Shuriken!

>120 BP at worst priority move coming off a 153 base spA stat

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>>29887934
>Vikavolt is pretty bad
FUCK
Well I still have Galvantula

>>29887855
Ribombee is suprisingly decent. It's fast, has quiver dance, and its signature move damages ennemies but heals allies in doubles.

Gollisopod is physically bulky, has a great signature move (bug type extremespeed that only works on the first turn of a switch-in), and its ability guarantees at least two uses of it.

Vikaolt is ... good under trick room, that's the kindest thing I'll say.

>>29887934
>Comfey
I think you mean Ribombee

>>29887934
Comfey is not Bug type.

>>29886454
Do a bug team. Alola is nearly Zuniga tier for bugs. Not to mention Mega-BEE is gonna wreck shit in the new meta.

>>29887855
Yes. The gen is great for bug types, and even added one or two uber ones

>>29887971
Yeah, my bad

I was picking gyarados because of intimidate and dragon dance, which is just super

I mean just by being there you've nerfed their physical damage, and then now you have something fast, unburnable, with like two weaknesses, one of which you can switch in something with lightningrod to remove

going to be beastly imo

>>29887987
Meant Ribombee

>>29887968
vikavolt can do an agility sweep fine, modest sets beat everything at or under greninjas's speed and timid beats base 130s

it's basically a poor man's mega ampharos but it can do trick room, bulky pivot or agility all moderately well

>>29883617
Thank you for this.

>>29886671
WE MADE IT BROS. Don't forget Mega-Drill.

Where were you when /vp/ saved Araquanid?

Can anyone redpill me on what Liquidation does? I just skimmed through the stats and forgot to read the move descriptions in the datamine videos.

>>29888043
How fast would he be with one agility?

>>29888077
>Lowers the power of Fire-type moves done to the Pokémon and prevents the Pokémon from getting a burn.
>UNMENTIONED: The Power of this Pokémon's Water Type Attacks are doubled while it has this ability.

>>29888077
Water-type Crunch

>>29888089
liqudiation you idiot not water bubble

>>29888077
Base 85 Water move that can lower your opponent's Def.

>>29888089
>>29888092
Thanks much anons!

>>29888134
>>29888123
You too

>>29886983
Overkill.

>>29887855
All of them except Vikavolt are pretty good, and Vikavolt can at least be worked around to be usable

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>Doubles team with Araquanid and Golisopod
>a fucking 2x attack golisopod that doesnt leave battle, and has wide guard partner

>>29888087
with max investment and neutral nature it gets 185 at level 100, so 370 after an agility boost, which is the same as base 119 with positive nature and fully invested. With a timid nature, it goes up to 203, which is faster than base 135 after the boost

>>29887252
>Wide Guard
>tfw my precious triple team synergies will be lost on SM

>>29887121
Bubba.

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>>29886671
>Leech Life now does 80 power instead of 20

>>29888191
This thing can outspeed 4/5 of the pokedex just with one agility, why is everyone saying its bad?

>>29888240
It's Mega Ampharos lite. Which isn't terrible but isn't anything special.

>>29888077
Liquidation is a physical, contact 85 BP water type move with a chance of lowering the target's defense.

>>29887834
Poison also got the Mega Beedrill buff, which is a big deal considering there are only three poison-type Megas. (and Mega Venusaur is great, but doesn't really syngergize well with mono-poison)

>>29888240
Because it has to run no defensive investment and take a hit to use Agility. Also if the opponent survive, Vikavolt is dead

they've been making a lot of lateral buffs to weaker types this gen. ice, psychic, poison, bug all got some interesting new advantages/mons to work with

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>>29886152

>Araquanid confirmed not-shitmon

WOOHOO!!

>>29888263
Stop this meme. Vikavolt can switch in on Earthquakes and hold an item.

>>29888296
Oh shit, you're right about beedrill. Totally forgot about the mega first turn speed buff.

Mono bug team it is

Golsiopod
Ribombee
Water Spider
Vikavolt

What should the last two be?

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>you'll never get a shiny one for your ingame run
>if you do it'll have the worst nature possible and Water Absorb

>>29888400
Water absorb is a hidden ability anyway.

>>29887901
Is it possible other pokemon have unmentioned effects in their abilitys? Could there be a hidden effect to power comstruct?

>>29886152
For once, GF's incompetence saved a pokemon

>>29888398
Beedrill
Scolipede

>>29888398
Pinsir and Scizor

>>29888429
Exactly. If you find a shiny you'd have the bad luck of getting the only one of the chain with the hidden ability.

>>29888364
An anon on another thread said "vikavolt is to mega ampharos as clauncher is to mega blastoise," and they are pretty similar. If you want to get super nitpicky, you can say amphy isn't weak to rocks or mega blastoise doesn't have u-turn/sludge bomb, but you can't deny how alike they are.

>>29888398
One of the Bug/Fighting UBs

And probably try out one of the buffed bugs (Masquerain for example)

>>29888398
Assuming islands only, Ariados & Pinsir

>>29888432
It's unlikely, but at this point I would like to see some tests on the new abilities to see if there is anything we missed

So anyone confirmed how time consuming or difficult is to raise IV's?

And there no way to change natures at all right?

It's getting there.

252+ Atk Choice Band Water Bubble Araquanid Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 172-204 (51.4 - 61%) -- 94.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

>>29887463

>level 57 for liquidation

looks like Bubble Bug is skipping out on a playthrough.

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>>29888529
ok
I loved this thing already
now my boner is out of control

>>29883617
>>29884572

This was a wild ride. Thanks OP.

>>29888543
Despite a 50 SpA, BubbleBeam should do the job on a playthrough

>>29888543
Just use a special water attack. Looks like water bubble boosts all water moves (not just the physical ones), and this thing's special attack is only marginally weaker than its physical attack.

Is Aranaquid still viable during the story? His ability is useless without liquidation or waterfall and I'm not sure that he can learn them during the story.

But damn, for years to come it is going to be a major consideration on any monobug playthrough.
He is the bug we've been waiting for.

>>29888654
See>>29888629

>>29888654
He learns them very late. Not that good in-game but you do have Bubble Beam.

>>29888680
You get scald very early on. You don't need no bubba beamu

Is Waterfall a late TM?

>>29888240
>it's good if it sets up
it has great SpAtk, but lackluster movepool and to even outspeed shit you need to forgo the not-great bulk it has so it will be KOd easily in return by anything not weak to it.
I mean, it's not bad, but it's far from good

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>>29887364
did you know that it doesn't get aqua jet homie

>>29888432
Might as well test out even old abilities. We know they've been tinkering, so who knows? Maybe some old ones got new goodies too

>>29888524
Adrenaline Chains at 100 long seem to give guaranteed four perfect IVs. Bottlecaps are apparently fairly easy to get compared to the potential boost. Overall, looks like this gen is pretty friendly to competitive

>>29888398

Silvally Bug-Type.
Your favorite Bug.

Since I'm curious and thread has reached bump limit: >>29888888

>>29889228
You know Levitation doubles base speed in this gen, right?

>>29889287
Source

>>29889287
Prove it.

>>29889319
My dreams

>>29888543
what's the level requirement for its pre-evolution?

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>>29886923
>>>>>>>>>>>it hits harder than Keldeo