What if base Gengar gained +10 speed? How much would the accursed

No.

>130 SpAtk and 110 Speed isnt enough!

jesus, its still going to be OU, calm down. Its fast, strong as shit, and has solid, if not perfect, offensive STAB + coverage.

And an ubers-tier Mega.

AND now that it touches the ground, you can give it psychic terrain support so its IMMUNE TO SUCKER PUNCH.

Come on anon, you gengar fans are better than this.

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>>29872020
>jesus, its still going to be OU
It barely is with levitate
>psychic terrain support
pic related

>>29872147
Tapu Lele and Gengar have somewhat decent synergy together, though. Dark-type Silvally could make for a good core with them.

>>29872147
>he doesn't know about the hidden monstrosity that's topu lel

>>29872147
>>29872171
>>29872198
Top Lel is a fucking monster
>130 Special Attack
>all Psychic attacks get an extra Specs boost
>Dark types can't switch in easily due to Fairy STAB
>immune to every form of priority
there isn't much that can threaten it outside of SE hits due to its decent Special bulk and relatively uncommon weaknesses. Its main issue is its low-ish Speed.

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>>29872198
Shhh, don't tell him.

>>29872147
>It barely is with levitate
How wrong can one man be?

>>29872264
It's not even that slow bruh. It's lower than the 100 benchmark but for all the power it has that's a good trade off.

Lele being really really good plus it's ability to provide temporary priority immunity makes me worry about its tier placement quite honestly

>>29872264
Not to mention it's only weak to three shoddy offensive types, steel relies a ton on priority, poison is weak to its psychic STAB and ghost is uncommon as an offensive type.
The only sure fire check is Smogonsword.

>>29872422
Which can't even use Shadow Sneak and gets pummeled if Lele or anything else carries a sneaky Shadow Ball or Taunt (preventing King's Shield wars).

>gengarfags can't handle a nerf after being buffed for the past 6 gens

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>60 hp
>60 defense

>"b-being weak to earthquake won't affect it"

kek

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>>29872471
After seeing TF get raped, I think I can live with losing levitate.

>>29872495
It's not that terrible goy

I mean you lose an EQ immunity but Gengar dies to a ton of shit anyway and still maintains high BP moves and utility options

>>29871945
No!
Then I wouldn't be able to oneshot it with my bro Starmie in 1v1.

Fuck Focus Sash!

>>29872458
Physical Aegis can Gyro Ball/Iron Head and special OHKO's with Shadow Ball/Flash Cannon.

My question regarding Lele is if Psychic Terrain makes it immune to Pursuit. Technically in the way the game is coded Pursuit gains more priority than switches the moment the opponent switches out. This could be massive.

>>29872629
Actually doing calcs
>252 SpA Life Orb Latios Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 161-190 (49.6 - 58.6%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO
This is fucking huge.
There's prolly no switch into this thing.

>>29871945
If this meta is heavily based around Bug types (Something Gengar can easily switch into and something that would limit ground moves), then Gengar will survive.

>>29872518
Missing the point.

What hurts is losing the immunity.
What hurts is losing the free switch ins
What hurts is that now Gengar won't be able to cockblock things it used to be able to anymore when switching on their EQ coverage move with another thing Gengar either resisted or was also immune to.

>>29872640
>252 SpA Life Orb Latios Helping Hand Psyshock vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 339-399 (52.8 - 62.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 SpA Life Orb Latios Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 96 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 151-179 (41.4 - 49.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
>252 SpA Life Orb Latios Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 200 SpD Mega Scizor: 286-338 (83.3 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 SpA Life Orb Latios Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 270-320 (99.6 - 118%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

It can even learn Calm Mind, it can Taunt, and if it needs recovery it can rest then pivot into Koko and wake up.

I don't think Smogon will let this thing run rampant.

>>29872752
That's not how Electric Terrain works though.

Your point with calc still stands. Hopefully Lele is just small fish (its about the same as Mega Gardevoir except Psychic focused) compared to some obvious problems like some Ultra beasts

>>29871945
>accursed
*blessed

>>29872791
Yeah, pheromosa needs to go. The little origami shitter, too. Most of the other stuff (buzzwole, jellyfish, cute crab) should be fine. Not totally sure about the bamboo or the Christmas lights, though.

>>29872867
Steel Bamboo Princess is gonna stay a while since NOBODY has a clue on what it's supposed to be doing with its weird ass movepool (no Stealth Rocks either like Skarm), and Xurkitree isn't as broken as its Special Attack would imply since it's below average in everything else (speed, defenses, movepool).