>sun/moon will have the lowest sell rate yet >not because

>>29839899
I'm not the reason the game is piss easy and mind-numbingly boring.
>Level 9 Salamences

Release a patch that deletes the data of everyone who started before the 16th of November. If you don't have the time, don't do the crime.

>>29839899
And why do you think people won't shell out $40? Because they're making the games progressively bad. Stupid idiot.

>>29839959
That will totally work.

>>29839899
>game freak isnt the reason pokemon is dying
>you are

No, I'm pretty sure it's on GameFreak for developing increasingly shitty games. The series peaked at Gen V and then dropped off a cliff.

>>29839899
GF was dying before pirating the games was common practice. If GF starts making good choices that were obvious from the start then I will gladly give them my money.

>>29840004
>>29840039
>literally EVERYTHING is an improvement over the last 2 games
>b-but they didnt release a pokemon that can one shot mega fug with choice band
>i-its bad!

I think it will be a the highest for a while after all that pokemon go riled up the genwunners

Isn't it the most preordered 3DS game ever? Quit fear mongering.

People were playing BW in English months before the English release thanks to a patch.

Piracy doesn't hurt Pokemon for some reason.

>>29840055
>le stuttering meme
Fuck off autistic shitposter.

>hurr piracy!
Gen 5 was released on the fucking DS, at a point where piracy was a million times more accessible than it is right now. They STILL sold well. Piracy doesn't do a damn thing to their sales.

>>29840055
>More hand-holding
>More genwun pandering
>Worse writing
>More fur/waifufaggotry
>Less post-game

>"improvement"

>>29839899
Nah, m8. I will enjoy my pirated Moon version whilel i get the money for a copy of Sun thanks shitty country economy

Personally i trade only with close friends so i can help them to complete the pokedex, and im not interest in competitive right now. Maybe during the next year.

>>29840116
But the last three describe BW perfectly.

>>29839959
I'll just back up my save and edit it to say I started playing on the 18th.

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>>29839899
Yup. Just because a good number of people on the internet got it early means it is fucking dead. Pokemon as we know it is dead. Mainstream audiences and children can no longer enjoy it, just because a few people played it early.
Reminds me of how Black and White being leaked months early absolutely killed the franchise, and how hacking in bullshit pokes nearly every single generation also killed the series.

>>29839959
You really dont know shit. We can edit the dates we played. We can edit EVERYTHING except changing your gender

>>29840106
People forget in Gen V there was something called Pokecheck, that could deliver friggin' genned Pokemon directly to your console over the GTS.

Whatever hacking scene exists today, is not worse than Gen V.

>>29839899
>SM worst selling

Good. Maybe they'll actually consider making good games.

>>29840116
>people still complaining about hand holding in a kids game
>>29840155
it kills the fun

>>29839899
If you seriously think a couple hundred or even a couple thousand crying anons not buying their games are going to impact sales, I don't think you are aware of the demographic that makes this series the multi-million seller it is.

>>29840055
>>literally EVERYTHING is an improvement over the last 2 games
Even if you only listen to the demo dataminers, you'd know that's completely wrong.
>smaller dex
>one in 5 alola pokemon is a legendary

>>29840106
This.

DS piracy was so easy even the most braindead normie could do it.

3DS piracy requires dozens of files which intimidates retards(despite it not being that hard so long as you do everything EXACTLY as you're told)

>>29840180
>it kills the fun
subjective

>>29840116
>more hand-holding
Regular trainers have and use Z-moves, some certain trainers even have actual strategies this time around. Totem Pokemon can easily wreck your shit if you don't know what's coming and don't level your team.
>more genwun pandering
Fair enough.
>worse writing
Better than X/Y easy.
>More fur/waifufaggotry
This is literally every gen since 3. 4 was worse.
>less post-game
Blatantly false. We've got actual legendaries to catch, more optional in-game areas than X/Y, the defending your champion title, E4 and Trial leader rematches, etc.

>>29840174
Consider how holy, sacred B2W2 didn't sell well by Pokémon standards. Who are you gonna blame for that? The genwunner boogeyman and its media bias?>>29840180

>>29839899
>game freak isnt the reason pokemon is dying
>you are
You hit the nail on the head, buddy.

Gen 5 had really poor sales, largely because the DS was already fully hacked on day 1. Shitters just downloaded it and played it on flash carts. Gen 7 might suffer a similar fate, and that's sad.

>>29840039
>It's Game Freak's fault that pirates and thieves will steal Sun/Moon
>Still bitches about slower new Pokemon and lack of post-game content
>A game which he paid $0 for

Why should GF care or even go the extra mile if shitters will just ruin their sales figures by stealing? The 3DS is blown wide open. GF can't stop the hackers. The moral impetus is placed squarely on the consumer: you. If you're an immoral and selfish degenerate, you'll pirate the game and ruin it for everyone else.

>>29840269
this

>>29840087
>>29840106
Well, yeah, it turns out that most people like being able to gain experience points.

>>29840167
https://github.com/kwsch/PKHeX/issues/26
"Probably not possible. I may end up disabling that DropDown for future releases since changing the gender causes the game to lose its marbles (models/flags etc)"

>>29839899
>finally make competitive training feasible
>completely reverse it next gen
>complain that people inject

>>29840106
>>29840087
Gen 5 was the worst-selling Pokemon generation. The piracy did hurt the sales.

>>29840269
It didn't help that Gen 5 launched around the same time as the 3DS

>>29840299
it didnt work for that guy

point still stands

>>29840209
Well, to be fair, 3DS piracy also requires that you not have updated your system past a certain point. Most people see that they can't do it now, and then continue updating because they don't think about hacking in the future--they wanted it at [present time], and they would have to wait so long to be able to hack their updated 3DS that they'd be done with whatever game they wanted to hack, anyway.

And, of course, by the point at which they would have been able to hack that version, they're playing a new game that they want to hack--but, since they couldn't hack back then, they've been updating. And, by the time they'd be able to hack their NEW system version, they'd be done playing whatever game, so...

>>29840225
>Who are you gonna blame for that? The genwunner boogeyman and its media bias?
Yes?

It's also possible BW2 suffered from a casual standpoint sales wise due to branding in a similar sense that normies thought Wii U was a Wii expansion.

>>29839899
You'd be surprised by the amount of people who haven't even seen people play the leaked .cia's. Hell there's even people who didn't even know about the starter's Z-moves and Necrozma until they got the Corocoro leaks
Many people who are pirating the game now are going to buy it anyway. At least in my case, I used the .cia as a sort of more extended demo, just to make sure the game wasn't as boring as XY
Also, remember that piracy was fucking everywhere and was easy as hell to do in the DS era, MANY people pirated any sort of Pokemon game for the console, and they still sold a ton. GF isn't going to die because of some faggots on an image board.

>>29840215
>Totem Pokemon can easily wreck your shit if you don't know what's coming and don't level your team.
>WATER GUN WISHIWASHI

>This is literally every gen since 3. 4 was worse.
Uh what? Lopunny, Roserade, Misdreavus, Froslass and Vespiquen. That's not even a comparison to Primarina, Tsareena, Lurantis, Salazzle, Oricorio, Pheromosa, Tapu Fini and Tapu Lele.

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>sun/moon will have the lowest sell rate yet

>>29840386
So now /vp/ is gonna blame genwunners for not letting Volcarona be the secondary mascot, having N appear in every game and having new Pokémon only in every generation. Heh.

>>29839899
>$40
I wish. You can't find it for less than $80 where I live

>>29840428
At least 3/4 of those have been cancelled due to the leaks

>>29839899
The way I see it, if the games stop selling maybe they'll stop being so fucking lazy and start being creative again. 3DS is also a shit console visually, I hope we get out of it soon.

>>29840293
If you were too stupid to use an AP patch, all fault lies on you.

>>29839899

Not true if anything it's looking like it will sell more than previous gen.

>>29840461
Um source?

>>29840461
Sure, in the UB dimension, maybe.

>>29840401
Water Gun Wishiwashi, with a BST far exceeding and of the Pokemon you'd have at that point, holding a Sitrus Berry, in Rain, that calls an Alomomola that can use Helping Hand and Heal Pulse.

...not to mention the other Totems, which are no slouches either.

After beating the game, I'm glad I didn't waste my money on another disappointing entry like I did with X.

>>29839899
Maybe they'll finally stop removing good features every game then and make a good game

>>29840461
[citation needed]

>>29839899
I'd be honored if I was the cancer killing Pokemon. It's turned to shit and needs to die. Not that such a thing would ever happen because those games are one of Nintendo's biggest cash cows.

>>29840356
The DS had like over 2x the install base as the 3DS. The 3DS has had a slow build towards its sales figures. The DS exploded and was a sales phenomenon. In other words, no one was buying the 3DS at launch, so that's not the reason gen 5 did poorly. It was the piracy.

>>29840180
digimon is also a kids game but Cyber Sleuth doesn't hold your hand at all

>>29840500
>super training
>hordes
>good feature
>nothing else removed
???

>>29840461
>Source: My ass.

Most people actually have no idea about the leaks.

Do you really think the 10 millions people who brought ORAs knew about the datamine?

For most generation it's like this leaks, hacks, piracy, but it affect very slightly the sales of the game because it's actually a minority, get out of your bubble.

>>29840522
digimon has been targeted at older teens since the first digimon world game. have you SEEN how slutty some of the characters/digimon get? not to mention a good portion of the games are rated T

Most people who pirated SM will buy the game later (me, for example). I pirated Mun and I'll buy Soon physical release when the price drops

>>29840435
To be fair, an N cameo could have been fun in SM, with him being disgusted that ANOTHER organization pretended to be working for the good of Pokémon.

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>>29840525
>Super training
>hordes
>bad

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>>29840558
>pokemon game
>price drop
HGSS still cost $50

>>29840525
>>super training
>>good feature
Yes.

>>29839899
I just ordered 3 copies on amazon for 31.99 each. I'm not sure what you're point is.

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>>29840558
>Mun
>Soon
why is that so funny

>>29839899

I sure hope so.

Low sales would make Nintendo furious, and then Gamefreak might actually stop removing features from their games, or the best case scenero would be that Nintendo buys the rest of the rights from Gamefreak, tells them to fuck off and then lets HAL make the mainseries games along with Genius Sorority.

>>29840592
Shortly after release the price usually drops, only to rise once again ~1 year after

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>>29840134
>That describes XY perfectly
FTFY

>>29840647
>XY any waifumons at all
um

>>29840494
>with a BST far exceeding and of the Pokemon you'd have at that point
>Level 9 Salamences
>Literally any STAB Z move outdamages Rain-boosted STAB Water Gun except Fire type moves

>>29840561
Screw that, N needs a full reappearance in the Battle Tree or his own postgame sidequest.

BW had fantastic characters and settings and squandered it all by ignoring one of Pokémon's biggest selling points (the nostalgic, iconic original monsters). B2W2 did much better in that respect and are my favorite games but its fanbase is annoying af.

>>29840672
Level 9 Salemance is a meme that literally no one has provided proof for as of yet. There are bagons, yes, but NO proof of Salemance.

>>29839899
>the only people who play Pokemon are on this board
>the people on this board play Pokemon

>>29840134
>>29840647
Why not both?

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>>29840134
>BW
>more fur/waifumons
>Only Gothitelle, Leavanny, Lilligant and Melloetta
>When Gen 4 had Lopunny, Roserade, Misdreavus, Froslass and Vespiquen in a smaller dex
>not knowing how to count

>>29839899
The game deserves to sell poorly, it's a rushed attempt at an anniversary game that's one step forward and two steps back from Gen VI.

And being leaked 10 days early won't stop hackers. The crypto was broken with the demo release because Gamefreak fucked it up and left things in the code. So it's their fault that cheating is already a thing, not the players'.

>>29840494
Which I took out with a pikachu spamming thundershock in 6 rounds.

>>29840752
>vespiquen
>waifumon
Seek help

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>>29840701
lurk moar

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>SM becomes the worst selling
>GF gets their shit together and makes games on par with pre-gen 6 games

>>29840794
show me it in the game's data, anyone could edit shit

>>29840225
BW2 didn't sell well because there had already been 4 mainline Pokemon releases on the DS and the 3DS was already a thing. People didn't want to buy another DS Pokemon game when they already had 3 completely different ones to choose from.

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>>29840794
It's in the cave under the early routes, the one you can't access until post-game, you piece of shit retard.

>>29840794
>melemele
>le le meme
What did Gamefreak mean by this

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>>29840670
Dude, it's even Phox Phriday. Don't pretend the thread isn't there, because it is.

>>29840782
Still the same number of waifumons as the previous generation, in a bigger dex.
'More' doesn't apply here.

>tfw don't even buy pokemon games and just play showdown

>>29840525
>soaring
>dexnav
>bases
>restaurants
>NATIONAL FUCKING DEX
>not removed

>>29840891
There's a restaurant in Hau'oli.

>>29840821
http://pastebin.com/YjNi4Qdk
It was found in the game's data before the screenshot, retard.

>>29840823
Do you have any proof? The tables show otherwise. What would Spearow, Mankey and Cutiefly be doing in a cave?
If that's true, I don't know what's worse
>post-game Pokemon at level 9

>>29840823
>cave
>>29840927

>>29840891
soaring was shit and took 15 years just to access, and can't you ride charizard anyways?
bases were rse/oras exclusive unless you count the shittier ones in gen4

>>29841005
not him, what's up with these "slot types", and I'm seeing that Salamence is in only one of them in each table? Does that mean he's LESS than a 1% chance to appear?

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>enjoying the fuck out of the leaks
>still have the game preordered

come at me bro

>>29841065
>soaring was shit and took 15 years just to access
It was only a few seconds longer than the normal Fly animation.
>can't you ride charizard anyways?
It's just Fly renamed that you can access any time. Ironically enough, it has a long animation like Soaring but you can't navigate in the map. So they removed the good thing about Soaring and kept the bad.

>>29841096
Probably different patches of grass and you have to be in the right one. There was something similar in XY IIRC

>>29839959
>Buys game a year later with a 3DS after patch was released.
>3DS was already set up but the year was set to 2010
>Start up game, play a bit, save, turn it off.
>A little later turn it back on and finds save file deleted.

>>29839899
Hey!
I bought it...

>>29840004
>calls the game bad
>continues to pirate them, play them for hours, and complain about them on a board
some of you pirates really are the scum of pokemon fans

>called my local gamestop to see if they're doing a midnight release
>guy was dumbfounded I even called
>says he expects at least 200 people to show up
I don't think this game is in any trouble.

>>29839899
>implying the best-pre-selling Nintendo game is going to be the worst-selling Pokemon game
You're retarded.
You're also the reason Pokemon is dying by buying baby-tier games that favor style over substance and have the depth of a shot glass.

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>>29840461
>assuming vp and youtube are even close 100% of the worldwide pokemon audience.
>assuming everyone whos seen the leaks will drop pre order because of it.

>>29840471
Yesssss

>>29840039
>The series peaked at Gen V

So not only are you a complete retard, but you also have shit taste? Opinion discarded

>>29841837
Where do you live?

>lowest selling
>is the most preordered game

How the fuck does it coming out 10 days earlier change a single thing? Ive played it and completed the game along side my brother like we have with every other Pokemon game.

The only people who think this'll ruin the game are hackless 3ds fags who get BTFO, your fault for updating idiot maybe if you thought ahead you'd be playing with us

SM will be the best selling Pokemon games since Gen 4

>>29842992
>being cancer

>>29843018
And they're both terrible, makes you think

>>29839899
>Implying that the userbase of whining bitches in this website can even dent on Nintendo's best pre-selling game.

>>29839899
Post proof that piracy decreases sales.

I'll wait.

>inb4 anecdotes

>>29839899
>Implying people on this board are a huge number as compared to the total number of people who are going to buy the games

>>29840461
Stop bullshitting

>>29839899
>>sun/moon will have the lowest sell rate yet
I thought I read that it's Preorders already broke records.

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>>29839899
keep crying buycuck

>>29840670
Mega Gardevoir, Chespin, Mega Gardevoir, Diancie, Mega Gardevoir, Delphox, Mega Gardevoir, Carbink, Klefki, Mega Gardevoir

Clearly the gen of waifus

>>29840215
The battle tree is disappointing in terms of character selection and no triples but it's also there, and the random trainers can have megas and z-moves. Which is pretty cool despite the removal of triples/rotation. Framerate is kill, sure, but it will at least provide some fun doubles.
Er, I digress. The postgame is nowhere as bad as people made it to be the first couple days.

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>>29839899

>>29840388
This.
Even when the game was already ripe for piracy, most people didn't play. We only got reliable info on the postgame from a couple anons. Didn't stop anyone from complaining about "no postgame at all" despite the thing being there all along, just because Lurantis didn't report on it. Took a while for others to get there and discover that there was actually a postgame. Not the best postgame ever, sure, but there is stuff to do. And we are probably missing some things as of now.

Metapod: Its shell is filled with its soft innards. It doesn’t move much because of the risk it might carelessly spill its innards out.

>>29848534
I totally give you braixen/delphox, diancie, mega gardevoir and so, they ware waifu as fuck.
But chespin, carbink and klefki? How are those waifumons? They are supercute, yeah, but they don't look like waifu material to me.

>>29849568
the fact that people are still spreading misinformation like "you cant get zygarde 100%", "EV training is slower than gen vi", "there is no daycare" is evidence that most people complaining haven't even played yet and just want to bitch about things

>>29849604
My sentiment exactly.
Which is odd, considering a bunch of anons have the capabilities to pirate it. You can see most of the actual leaks were made by just a few. Like, a dozen or two?
The rest are just shitposting and whining. I mean, I am not 100% happy with the game either (I miss triples, you can't battle/scout Lana, Acerola or Sophocles...or anyone that isn't Mallow and Kiawe and the poor selection of "famous characters" (Sina and Dexio? srsly?)) But the game does have plenty of merits and the situation is nowhere as grim as people painted it as. Some decisions are simply weird or underwhelming, but all things considered, it's a pretty good game.
I'm definitely looking forward to it (unfortunately I am an eurofag and there's quite a bit of waiting left until the preloaded version unlocks, but oh well, it's not so bad)

if anything this game is a pathetic filler cash in on the 3ds high install base before the switch launches

this should have been a fleshed out game launching on the switch day fucking 1

>>29840471
This. Lazefreak need a stick up their ass the lazy cunts.

>>29840764
Preach

>>29840461
/vp/ is not the community, underage. This place is more a "meeting ground" then the entire fanbase gathered in one spot.

>>29849604
>you can't get Zygarde 100%
Hold up, what ? There were genuine retards that were saying that ? /v/ is kust desperate at ruining everyone's fun at this point.

Also, about 100%, he's still a Zen mode clone or does the cube allow you to have it permanent ?

>>29839899
>http://www.polygon.com/2016/10/27/13446280/pokemon-sun-and-moon-pre-order-record
GO hyped normies >>>> /vp/

You make these claims as if /vp/ are the only people who play Pokemon

>>29842584
It did though. B2W2 was pokemon's prime and last objectively good game. Everything that came after B2W2 has been kinda mediocre.

>>29840803
Like this will ever happen. I love pokemon because well, I'm too far in. But I HATE gamefreak and their constant need to 'surprise' alongside constant genwun pandering. They are squandering their own IP through laziness and shitty execution. Fuck'em.

>>29850037
i agree with this anon. didnt hate xy, struggle to play oras. love sumo though