>fell stinger buff >they changed how first turn megas work,

>>29838793
>even more fucking skarmories everywhere

who benefits from this

>>29838793
For real? Mega Beedrill can have a fourth coverage move now?

>>29838793
This is big news for banette as well, but trace gardevoir cant intimidate or gain a speed boost while getting off a pixilate hyper voice in the first turn anymore

>>29838825
>Go! Salazzle!

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>>29838872
yes

>>29838825
>beedril used u-turn!
>go! magnezone!

>>29838793
>lycanroc used accelerock

>>29838793
Just how vicious Beedrill becomes from being roided up in Mega juice

>>29838793
Banned to Ubers by Smogon

>>29838793
Unless drill run is getting a crucial ohko somewhere, I'll probably just run a 2nd bug move.

>>29839059
Heatran

Was Substitute always half health?

>>29839059
steel fire frog
gengar
megagross

>>29839111
Wait,no,didn't notice it was already hurt.

>>29839099
That's what I was thinking, but I haven't ran the damage calcs. If it does, that's quite impressive.

>>29838896
It can. The ability doesnt change until you actually megaevolve. It will still be able to trace intimidate.

>mega beedrill is good now
What are the best options for a Bug themed team?

>>29838916
Badass!

>>29839189
Its been good for a while now wasnt it bl?

>>29838903
>implying salazzle isn't an ru shitmon at best

>>29839147
Iirc knock off is a ohko on gengar. I seriously doubt drill run is a ohko on mega gross, and there's always the risk of some memelord running bullet punch.

>>29838916
Yass! They fixed it!

>>29839170
I don't think it OHKOs, but Heatran resists both stabs so it'll do way more damage than either of them could

>>29839147
You've always had Knock Off for Metagross and Gengar

it's not worth it to stay in on mega metagross unless it's already weakened because it'll just push your shit all the way in with BP or ZH

>>29838793
How much does fell stinger do now ?

Or is or this gen is the gen for bugs? Many buffs, powerhouses left and right and all bugs. Kinda cool

RIP in peace mega garchomp I loved you

>>29839238
>can poison steel types
>is part fire type
I don't know which tier she'll end up in, but she can easily counter Pokemon like Skarmory and Ferrothorn.

>>29839252
How is BP on Megagross a memelrd set? Agiligross was last good 6~8 years ago

>>29839238
No it isn't. The ability to toxic almost everything, that speed and SpA and tons of resistances give her a very strong niche in the upper tiers.

>>29838931
Actually...this is a valid btfo revange killer

>>29839189
>now

Talonflame and shit speed (in the first turn, the reason you alwats ran protect) were the only things keeping it back, now its a pure glass cannon

>>29839287
The only thing missing was removing the bug resist for fairy types, the only reason they have it is because mega waifu, fire types resist fairy for this reason as well, just replace garde for every fire/fighting starter

>>29839170
252 Atk Mega Beedrill Drill Run vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 372-440 (96.3 - 113.9%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

it OHKOs with SR damage with Jolly nature, and OHKOs with an Adamant nature.

>>29839301
>>can poison steel types
>>is part fire type
So whats the point? If it can just kill them with +2 flamethrower then why bother even running toxic?

>>29839354
Heatran.

Will Alakazam be effected?

>>29839307
Salazzle has 0 bulk so resistances won't matter
Excluding UBs and Legends:
>OU: Toxapex
>UU: Kommo-o, until move tutors at least. May rise or fall
>RU: Salazzle and Golisopod will be UU until people realize they aren't that good
>NU: The rest of these shitmons

>>29839305
It's fast enough already, especially with the mega speed changes.

>>29839309
Not really. They deserve to lose for not predicting an obvious priority move, and they could switch to something like crocune and get off a free calm mind.

>>29839354
no safe switches for other pokemon as long as this bad bitch is in the field

heatran is also part fire and bulky, salazzle gets her shit kicked in by earth power

>>29838825
>Beedrill used U-turn
>Go A-Golem!
GG

>>29839391
Drampa, Tsareena and Mimikyu are UU for sure.

>>29839287
Gen 5 was very Bug-friendly too, what woth Scolipede, Volcarona and the almighty Quiver Dance

>>29839398
There is no such thing as "fast enough" when you're playing with priority. You need it for things like Gengar and Tyranitar and latios that would beat you otherwise

>>29839461
Tsareena seems really fucking bad. pure grass has never been good except for Tangrowth. I expect Bruxish to be better and more used

>>29838793
Don't forget

>Talonflame is kill

>>29839391
The starters aren't gonna be NU. At least RU

>>29839496
Tsareena is okay. High attack, good signature move, HJK, Rapid Spin, solid bulk and a sweet ability make her UU-worthy at least.

>Fell stinger buff

What?

It still gets cucked by scarfers, priority and Skarm.
It will be way more solid in UU though.

>>29839621
it has 50 BP now

>>29839621
It's 50 power now, so it's easier to kill things with it. If you faint something with Fell Stinger, it gives you +3 attack.

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>>29838793
>Diamond Storm now has a 50% chance to give +2 Defense instead of +1
>learns Power Gem if you have something else against Chansey
>insta 110 speed means getting rid of Protect for a 4th move, like Rock Polish/Calm Mind/4th coverage move

King and Queen.

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>>29839621

30 BP -> 50 BP.
+2 boost -> +3 boost.

Buzzwole gets it too.

Had anyone found the Unova bugs yet?

>>29839723
I think most of the bug buffs happened solely because of Buzzwole and Pheromosa.

>>29839713
even uninvested diamond storm hits unsanely hard though, its still worth running on some sets

>>29839660
like what scarfers?

>>29838793
Wait they really fixed first turn speed change? That's pretty cool.

>>29839774
Anything with more than 81 base speed. An intimidating faggot tiger comes to mind.

>>29839741
>the holy saviors of bug type pokemon everywhere are actually aliens from an entirely different dimension
This is surreal.

>>29839797
>in that dimension, there are first route dragon shitmons and endgame bug pseudos

>>29839741
probably though I always get the feeling on some level since Pokemon is inspired by bug collecting they hate bugs being completely worthless and 'try' to make better ones. this doesn't explain why they huffed so much paint when statting Vikavolt, but eh.

>>29839844
>someone in the alternate dimension is complaining about how Fairies are too weak.

>>29839844
Well that explains Guzzlord.

>>29839844
>in that dimension Genies and Monkeys swap places.

When will Ice types have their version of Gen 5 Bugs?

>>29839933
never because GF will forever think they need to be slow bulk.

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>>29839911
ELIMINATE MONKEYS
>[angry and unpleasant squid girl noises intensifies]

And that's why they invaded the Pokemon dimension. They wanted a world where monkeys are shit.

Aren't megas banned or is that just vgc 17?

>>29838793
>>they changed how first turn megas work, mega beedrill will be able to use his 145 speed immediately, meaning he doesn't need protect anymore

Please tell me you are positive and not lying

Where are people getting these changes from? Did someone make a complete list online somewhere?

>>29840067
>>29838916

>>29840058
Are you dumb or just a retard?

>>29839796
uhh raikou?

>>29840125
Lando-T

>>29839354
this /thread.

>>29839575
the starters have literally no redeeming factors

>>29839189

You might not want my advice, but for monobug, you're going to want mega pinsir. Powerful physical Flying type coverage is too good to pass up for your team, as you won't really get it elsewhere and it hits SE/neutrally a lot of shit that resists bug. Another source of powerful priority is incredibly useful too.

If you are going mega beedrill though just for funsies, I typically use galvantula, volcarona, scizor, forretress, and armaldo for the rest.

I had to make massive changes during the talonflame era, but that's finally over

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>>29838916
Hallelu-
>Mega Garchomp no longer gets first-turn good speed

O-oh

Someone in another thread said that +3 from fell stinger didn't make a difference. Please prove him wrong with damage calcs

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>>29839741

I dunno.

It's not like Leech Life's base power was quadrupled and it replaced Dig as a TM or anything.
Bravest Bird also still completely counters Pheromosa.

>>29838793
Wait, what are these changes? I've been away from 4chan for the day, what did I miss?

>>29839059

>2nd bug move

It's the worst attacking type in the game. You'd be better off with substitute, as M beedrill is great at scaring shit out. Substitute protects you from priority

>>29840214
Pheromosa is faster than birb, which will require a lot of skill to be able to have priority braveness now.

>>29839354

Bulky poison types might be able to take the flamethrowers and try and wall you. When salazzle is around, no one else can toxic stall

>>29838793
>bow down to your new king /vp/
>Literally nothing it can do to Skarmory
How is this a good mega?

>>29840214
>he don't know

>>29840342
>Literally nothing it can do to Skarmory

It's acceptable for a pokemon to have a couple of walls. It can break the sturdy as it u turns out though

So M-Sableye has lost priority in first turn?

>>29840642
Is this true? Damn that's gonna hurt.

>>29840736
I don't know man. Blocking first turn Prankster would be retarded, but I can see that happening.

>>29840642
wait what? where the fuck did you get this from?

>>29839933
Apparently Weavile is enough.

>>29840791
I am jumping to conclusions after watching >>29838916

>>29840642
Hopefully.

>M-Beedrill buff
>Smogon Urchin
>Legendary
>Sandalit
>Alola Muk
This generation was very kind to mono-poison, other than the Gengar nerf.

>>29839496
>pure grass has never been good except for Tangrowth
And Serperior. Don't forget Serperior.

>>29840944
Is alola muk good?

I thought it's literally just regular muk with dark stab and a doubles exclusive ability

>>29838916
Substitute takes 50% hp now?
good

>>29840214
Bravest Bird can't come in on her because she's faster and has Ice Beam

>>29840148
Primarina has a fantastic all-around type combination and all the blessings that come with being a bulky Water-type. No reliable recovery sucks, but it should still bottom out at UU.

Is it actually Mega evolution that changed, or just how speed is calculated?
For example, does a Charizard-Y going Mega and setting up Sun affect Chlorophyll users for the remainder of the turn?

>>29841038

Nope, it was at 75% hp before it used sub

>>29841038
no, look at his hp bar before evo.

>>29839933
Cirno is pretty okay.
>Snow Warning HA, so free perfect accuracy Blizzards
>Aurora Veil because fuck you

Mega beedrill is the only good mega I'm glad he can be used properly now.

>changed how first turn megas work
hang on
does this mean mega banette isn't complete shit now?

>>29840987
Dark/Poison is a necessity on mono-poison teams and Skunktank was shit. Alola Muk is bulkier and hits harder than Drapion, plus it gets Stone Edge.

>>29840642
>tfw I want to use a Prankster Mega Sableye in SM
Damn dude...

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>>29840214
>bravest bird
>relevant

>>29841260
Sounds cool, it's a shame Alolan Muk looks retarded.

>>29840214
anon I am so sorry

>>29840987
It's pretty nice, desu. It's pretty much entirely superior to regular Muk, except regular Muk resists Fairy instead of being neutral to it.

Gluttony is a great 3vs3 or doubles ability in general. Poison Touch will at least function at times. Muk was too slow to use Stench without Shadow Sneak.

As much as I love Drapion, it is too weak after power creep in gen 5. Alolan Muk has better stats, so it makes for a better Poison that is immune to Psychic.

>>29839686

+3 attack you say. On something like M. Beedrill with already insane attack

>>29841296
It's priority bracket still works since it has it at selection, just that it is calculated on mega Sableye speed.

>>29841344
It can also use power of alchemy for memes

>>29841355
Well, we only have one week to comprove it.

>>29840213

Every +1 adds half to its stat.

So a 100 that would have been 200 is now 250. It makes the world of difference. Also it only has to be used twice to max attack instead of 3 times.

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>>29841311
Alolan Muk looks one billion times cooler than regular Muk ever did, and I say that as someone who loved that uninspired blob of purple poop since gen 1.

>>29841380
Pretty sure that only works in double battles, but I could be wrong.

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>>29841433
Sorry anon, I confused it with Alolan Grimer. And I meant that in the way Alolan Grimer literally looks retarded

>>29840213
252 Atk Mega Beedrill Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 68-80 (20.3 - 23.9%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery

+3 252 Atk Mega Beedrill Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 167-197 (50 - 58.9%) -- 78.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

>>29841518
I take it that calculation isn't factoring in that Knock Off only works once?

>>29841486
Poison-meth is one hell of a drug, anon.

>>29838916
H-hayai.

>>29841300
Now that I think about it, would this gen make Avalugg usable, if it was this gen?

>>29841552
its supposed to work against them not for them. It doesn't make a difference where it needs to.

>>29841632
>this gen
>making anything usable
A gen VII Avalugg would've had 68 base speed and the same BST, with the difference being taken from HP and Special Defense.

Because fuck you, that's why.

>>29841674
No, I mean that if it was in this gen, like how Metagross and Garchomp are in this gen.

>>29841733
Probably not, last I checked there aren't any Inverse Battles for Avalugg to shine in.

>>29841518
>After leftovers recovery
>Knockoff
Use your head, it doesn't get leftovers recovery after a knockoff!

>>29841762
Yeah, relooking at those stats, and I'm kind of surprised that it's slower than most of gen 7.

>>29839238
It's going to be UU at the very minimum. It's pretty much fire type Heliolisk except it has access to Nasty Plot and even higher speed.

>>29841246

>Offensive movepool consists of Shadow Claw and Shadow Claw

Nope, still shit.

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>>29841115
I felt like checking this one out. The weather was not applied.

>>29838916
Whom at game freak sanctioned all these changes. I don't like change lads.

>>29838916
Are we sure this is speed and not just Prankster?

>>29838793
Now Fell Stinger raises the attack drastically instead of sharply, right? It would be like a Tail Glow.

>>29842184
Yea I'd like to see it with a different mega desu

>>29839391

>no Comfey in OU

Best stall-supporting ability in the game with a great speed tier for a defensive mon

>>29842184
>>29842201
>252EV 31IV Jolly Mega Banette at level 10: 31 speed
>0EV 0IV Quiet Exeggcute at level 43: 35 speed
It still means that turn order is being decided AFTER Mega Evolution takes place, which was the sticking point last gen. Prankster didn't apply on the Mega turn for Banette for the same reason that Beedrill acted like it had 80 base speed on the Mega turn.

>>29842295
oh well nvm. that's great then.

does beedrill really wanna run fell stinger then?

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>>29840347
>>29841040
>>29841300
>>29841341

Y-you guys are just joking right?

I figured anyone could figure out the Talonflame bit was sarcastic when combined with the image and how specific I was about Leech Life supposedly "not" being buffed.

Is it really that hard to detect sarcasm through text? The first anon got it.
Maybe it's a special skill that comes with years of fractal ironic shitposting.

>>29842934
Anon, I...

>>29838916
>a banette is faster than an exeggcute
woah

post webm of banette vs something sanic

>>29842091
Ninetales + Mega saur?

>>29843153
I didn't take video but the ninetales is faster on the turn venusaur megas.

>>29843059
Lvl 10 vs lvl 43...

>>29843059

It's a 30 level difference you moron.

>>29842729
it'll probably run knock off and drill run frequently for coverage instead of having to choose

>>29842225
>florges/sylveon with no HP or attacking stats
>ou
ok

>>29840944
>Smogon Urchin
Are people seriously calling Water/Poison Shuckle that? Oh wow.

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>>29840944
>Urchin

>>29843416
it's a strictly better stallfish

>>29843416
Ferropex is the new hot meta meme currently.

>>29839301
because being able to poison something it kills in one hit anyways is great

>>29843583
It also ensures she can take them out regardless of setup, and can work with Pokemon like Heatran.

>>29842184
prankster doesn't activate on the turn you mega evolve in gen 6

>>29843287
That makes sense. I mean I'm sure he can run fell stinger but he doesn't really need more attack. More coverage is probably better since he already one shots allot of things anyways.

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>>29842934
>open a /vp/ thread
>it's a "I was merely being sarcastic" episode

>>29840187
>laughing flygon.jpg

>>29844376
either that or leech life to patch up any pebble damage while still being stronk hits. Maybe even swords dance for if it smells a switch or something.
Good options, vastly improved by not needing protect.