>Littenfags and Poppliofags shit on Rowletfags for liking

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It's appropriate that you're posting this late.

No one expected Decidueye to be the slowest with Primarina around. Water starters are usually slow if not the slowest. Greninja is an anomaly.

As if Decidueye got a speed stat boost

It's still shit with the other 2 and it's probably the shittiest

I like Decidueye the most but Incineroar still got the best stats overall. Movepool could go either way.

Primarina may have the most Special Attack and Special Defense out of any non-Mega starter, but it's still awful.

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>>29826561
>bragging about winning the special olympics

In every gen starters have had a:

Fastest starter
Medium fast starter
Slowest starter

In this gen they are all very slow. Blastoise and Feraligatr are the slowest of their gens with 78 speed but they are still faster than the fastest Alola starter Decidueye who has 70. Incineroar is slower than Torracat.

I'm disapointed but I still love Decidueye, the other two are not so redeemable.

>>29827214
Well at least Incineroar and Primarina are still usefull even if they're slow.

Meanwhile, Decidueye is a slow mixed attackers with a mostly physical movepool.
I still don't know what the fuck GF tried to do with that except fucked the Rowlet fans.

>>29826561
>cucked by an anchor in every way
Littenfags got the last laugh in the end.

>>29827345
Except most of the battles you will have involves things weak to flying, grass or ghost which makes Decidueye more useful overall. There are also better dark and fire types than Incineroar. Primarina is quite good but is overall still the least popular of the 3 and will remain that way.

>>29826561
> wasted spatk stat that could've gone to speed
Its shit

>>29826778
>but it's still awful

Now explain yourself.

>>29827490
>Primarina is quite good but is overall still the least popular of the 3 and will remain that way.

Not if it's the best competitive-wise.

There's no opportunity to save after you beat the Pokemon League, and it throws you into a fight with Tapu Koko. Are you able to refight him later if you happen to KO him? I went back to my last save at the fucking Lunala battle because I panicked.

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>>29826561
Incineroar has useful ability and usable under trick room (as well as Primarina).
While 70 speed is just bad for everything.

>>29827759
lol

No Alola pokemon will be used in competitive because they are all slow so it doesn't mean anything.

>>29827885
Game Freak deleted Trick Room from the series?

>>29826984
snail/fake

>>29827364
Anchor doesn't have Baton Pass, Sucker Punch or Brave Bird. Decidueye can still keep a super narrow shitty niche because of this.

>>29827922
>kys
is this a meme?

>>29827913
No but people will use better replacements than the Alola starters.

>>29827959
>not using TR in TR: The Generation
What's wrong with you?

>>29827943
Incineroar is the new Scrafty
- High bulk
- Not weak to fairy
- Intimidate
- Fake out

>>29827885
It's not competing for a role with speedy Pokemon in it. Milotic and Gastrodon don't depend on going first, they use their good typings (yes pure Water is a good typing) and high special defense. Transvestite seal has an excellent typing, good special defense and it's even stronger than those two on offense. It'll get its place.

What is Decidueye's HA?

>>29828076
A gimmick. Contact moves wont make contact.

>>29828076
Junk. Default is more beneficial. Only one with a useful HA is Incineroar, at which point he has to compete with a freshly buffed Arcanine for his job.

I find that a hell of a lot better than Liquid Voice.

>retarded shitters talking about the meta like they know anything at all

Owl will be OU just because he completely counters any stall team and uses stallmons as set up bait

Other two are garbage

>>29828176
(you)

Hello sub-1100 shitter, now fuck off

>>29828176
Smogon is not competitive

>>29827825
rowlet fag here

>fake out
>intimidate
>arcanine bulk
>works in trick room

I'm jealous

>>29828249
Not for kids, sure. Doubles is more simple and easier for them, agreed.

>>29828152
What buff? If you're talking about Burn Out making it Normal for STAB Extreme Speed, I'm sorry to say that has been proven false.

>>29827345
>calcs show that it can take out Mega Saur, Amoongus, and Tangrowth before it's taken out

>>29828152
Arcanine was buffed? How?

>>29828287
litten fag here and i'm angry about incineroar being a garbage version of many OU fire pokemon

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>>29828358
>doesn't show calcs

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>>29828381

>>29828319
(you)

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>>29828381
>>29828431

>>29828431
>>29828450
holy shit charge your phone

>>29828436
Cool, at least we agree on doubles being a kiddie meta, billy.

>>29828478
Yeah I'm about to

>>29828376
to be a OU fire pokemon, you can't be weak to rocks, unless you have power and speed to back that up.

>>29828490
Doubles is the only meta.

>>29828516
For kids, yes, we already agreed on that, why are you saying it again?

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>Some people here thinks the owl will be OU.

>>29826561
Too bad owl has worst stat distro.

What is a good nature for it? Moveset?

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>>29826778
-Liquid Voice doesn't even boost a move's power. Scald is still your best option as a Water Pokemon with sub-standard HP/Defense. If you wanna pierce Subs do it with a Pokemon whose more dedicated. There's plenty of more interesting options than Primarina for that, like Chandelure.
-Signature move serves almost no purpose, it's Surf that cures burns with no power boost. Might be useful in doubles 0.1% of the time.
-Lack of recovery outside of Rest = poor man's wall. You CAN get away with Rest/Sleep talk, but do you really want to? Of all moves, Snore would actually be a saving grace here if Primarina were faster.
-Bad concept/design, in my opinion.

Only thing it has going for is its decent typing.

It's OK for in-game but there are so many better Pokemon out there (both in usage and design). This gen/region is chock full of neat/amazing Water and/or Fairy types. No need to fill that niche with a sea lion wearing mascara.

>>29827748
>>29829053
Oops, replied to my own post instead of yours.

>>29827977
60-70 speed base is shit tier both inside and outside of trick room.

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>>29829053
>It's OK for in-game but there are so many better Pokemon out there (both in usage and design). This gen/region is chock full of neat/amazing Water and/or Fairy types. No need to fill that niche with a sea lion wearing mascara.

You can use this same logic for most of the starters. Rarely are they better than mediocre. I'm going to use the "sea lion wearing mascara" anyway because I simply like it.

>>29828864
>best non-uber stallbreaker won't be OU

How is elo hell treating you

>>29829441
how is it gonna kill meme goblin?

>>29829441
>elo hell in pokemon
>It's the best stallbreaker because baton pass guys
You're in denial boy

>>29829616
Not him, but it has spirit shackle, curse, is faster than stall mons for roost stalling, and even has defog.

>>29829441
>Go Chansey!
>Chansey used Toxic!

>>29829700
Owl uses sub and setups on Chansey who can't do anything bit switch. No wonder you're a shitter honestly.

We all got fucked dude.
He's still a slow shitmon

>>29829839
>Go Skarmory!
>Skarmory used Whirlwind!

>>29829441
>>29829700
Skarmory kills with brave bird, uses whirlwind
Meme goblin uses willo before it sets substitute

>>29829945
It doesn't. Brave Bird gets PP stalled by Roost and taunt whirlwind

Sableye is slower.

>>29826561
Actually they should draw this guy stealing all grass waifubaits

>>29826984
>Decidueye confirmed for being the ulitmate Pokemon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBkipKFocT0

>>29830057
>Taunt
I'm gonna let you look up his movepool so you can despair.
https://projectpokemon.org/research/sunmoon/learnsets.txt

>>29830144
>pokemon has one decent stall switchin
>isn't viable

I guess Metagross and Lopunny are shit too right

>>29830144
>shackle skarmory
>switch to magnezone

Wew

>>29830057
Prankster?

>>29830196
>Decidueye is the """"ultimate"""" """stallbreaker"""!!!!
>W-What it has switch ins commonly found in every stall team?
>Lol who cares I bet you think Manaphy is bad vs stall

>>29830245
>Magnezone gets whirlwinded away
wew

>>29830279
>teams are just 1 pokemon
>Every stallbreaker has at least one safe switchin so by your retarded logic there would be no stallbreakers

Uh, guessing 1100 for elo was too much.

>>29830057
0 Atk Skarmory Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Trevenant: 272-324 (91.5 - 109%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
Unless you go full bulk you are screwed

>>29830494
See

>>29830386

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>>29830386
Don't worry once Smogon implements gen 7 stuff I'm gonna enjoy eating you alive along with all the shitters trying Extreme Evoboost pass shenanigans. After 1200 elo you will realize "Hey I'm using one of the shittiest Pokemon in the game instead of the now unbanned Mega-Kang/Blaziken/Deoxys/UBs to break stall, ain't that just quacking crazy?" And you will switch your strategy. If your ultimate Stallbreaker can be dealt with literally the most basic stall core in the history of the game then it's shit.

>>29830543
Damn who's this cum dumpster

>>29830057
you really are a retard.

>>29830572
That's my little sister, you sicko pervert!

>>29826984
>snails from French

>>29830536
>le shitmon is a stallbreaker! it does x damage to y wall!

>>29830650
>Not knowing that at the start of every gen a lot of things get unbanned for testing
>Showderp subhuman
Ah no wonder, carry on. I be you will use that incredibly shitty Drapion set and be surprised when you get demolished.

>>29826561

Lurantis uploads Decidueye's stats and haters go

>Decidueye SLOW SLOW SLOW
>Owl is shitmon with 70 base Speed
>Baracat gonna be high speed, 100+

Where are the screencaps of all the shit talkers ? GET REKT

>>29830706
Sounds like you got destroyed by specs scizor and are stll mad about it, post the replay btw

>>29830728
>Decidueye SLOW SLOW SLOW
>Owl is shitmon with 70 base Speed
It is still true

>Baracat gonna be high speed, 100+
It should've been by all means. But 60 is better than 70-80-ish. At least now it has a niche.

>>29830543
>Extreme Evoboost pass shenanigans
Does that even work? Can you use Z-Last Resort without fulfilling the requirements of Last Resort?

>>29830785
A niche of being a fucking shitty trashcan pokemon.

>>29830837
because?

>>29830858
Outclassed by any intimidate user in the tier you retarded shitter.

>>29826561
I don't think Poppliofags ever shit on it for being the slowest starter, since Primarina was expected to be the slowest.

In fact, as I recall, the day after Rowlet/Decidueye was revealed;
>one thread from Primarinafags (all 5 of them) trying to convert Decidueyefags
>a dozen threads from Incineroarfags gloating about how fast it would be and how slow Decidueye was

If Decidueyefags were the biggest shitposters before, I think Incineroarfags are now. Primarinafags seem to be on the defensive constantly and are in the extreme minority.

>>29830906
Except its not.

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>>29826561
IT'S NOT FAIR

WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET 110 SPEED FUCKING GAME FREAK

Owlfags are so fucking annoying.

>>29826561
OMG, I apparently managed to go back in time and ended up in tuesday!

>>29826561
Is this what autism looks like? The game is perfect. Flawless. Go to your stupid site and play spreadsheet simulator if you want to battle, smogon.

>>29826561
wow ur the fastest snail

be proud

Anon EVERYONE expected primarina to be slow. The same can't be said to a damn owl and a tiger.

>>29831157
Can you shut the fuck up? Anyone with taste knows this was just more or less as bad as Gen 6.

>>29830935
Owlfags are still the worst.
Littenfags did that one night before being BFTO.
Owlfags are shitposting since the reveal of Rowlet and they are now trying to force their shitty starter in OU because they still thinks its the new greninja.

And i say that as a popliofag.

>>29828864
Are you retarded? Decidueye is, on an objective level, the most powerful counter to stall outside of legendaries and megas. Stall has no tools to deal with Decidueye, and Decidueye will easily rape each and every single of them, especially since Unaware has been nerfed to shit.

>>29828371
It got a move that removes its fire typing, which lets it have stab extremespeed.

>>29831337
Litten is still best competitive starter pokemon this gen thanks to its ability and movepool :^)

>>29826561
your ignoring the fact that Decideueye's speed is still shit

>>29831514
>lets it have stab extremespeed.
proven false

>>29831514
It doesn't make him normal type it makes him typeless.
>>29831439
Unaware wasn't nerfed

The owl is garbage.

>>29831529
I have never seen anyone claiming Incineroar woulbe be in OU tho.
People are just saying it will be good in double and VGC, wich will probably be true just because of its bulk and HA.

>>29831914
I've seen a few say Incineroar will be OU. Also seen some try and argue that Decidueye will be. The argument for Primarina seems to be if it'll be UU.

>>29831439
>the first starter I legitimately enjoyed since gen iii will also rape the "lol wish protect leftovers" competitive scene
Feels pretty good :^)

>>29831914
I am only talking about the only official competitive format.

>>29831941
I doubt any of them will go past RU.
Owl is extremely gimmicky and there are better, safer options if you want to trap things.
Tiger is shit and worse than Houndoom in every way except doubles utility.
Seal won't be UU simply because the only thing it has over other UU bulky waters is typing, other than that it has absolutely no boons over them Vaporeon is a better pivot for scald absorption and a wish passer, Alomomola is a bulkier wish passer with regenerator, Suicune is a better set up sweeper, Blastoise deals more immediate damage, can spin and has coverage, Tentacruel is great at hazard control, Cloyster can hyperboost or be used as hazard control, Feraligatr hits hard as fuck after a boost, Gyarados hits a nice speed tier after a boost and deals a ton of damage as well, Milotic has instant recovery, is bulkier and can either punish status spam or punish defog, Sharpedo can naturally outspeed scarfers and deal tons of damage, Crawdaunt hits really fucking hard, Swampert has rocks, only one weakness and can also sweep if mega, Empoleon has a ton of resistances, sets, and can control hazards. There's no reason to use Seal over any of these other than "muh typing".

tl;dr unless they get a massive buff in the next games I doubt any of them will get past RU.

>>29832665
You sure went to a lot more effort to point out how everything else is better than Primarina compared to the other starters.

>>29832791
Nah they are all equally garbage, I went into detail with the seal because most people don't know how UU works past "Oh there's a ton of bulky waters! It will be at home there!". I also forgot to give Jellicent a honorary mention as a water type with more ways to burn than most fire types.

>>29832848
I see more people arguing that Decidueye or Incineroar are better than I do Primarina. It's fanbase seems to have been more accepting of it not being good than the others.

>>29832665
You do realize that Decidueye has a massive movepool that allows it to be an unpredictable monster that can pull off at least five sets and has an unique niche that it can pull off better than all trappers in the game, right? Decidueye is OU for sure, and you're just a delusional anti-Decidueyefag if you deny this.

>>29827930
Sounds like a worse honchkrow

>>29826984
>implying escargos are snails

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>>29831439
>Are you retarded? Decidueye is, on an objective level, the most powerful counter to stall outside of legendaries and megas.
>Unaware has been nerfed to shit.
How the fuck does someone become this clueless?

>>29827885
That's just retarded anon. Do you realize that the metagame doesn't consist of only fast hyperoffensive mons? I fact some of the most broken mons like Mega Kang, Primal Groudon and Aegislash aren't really fast

How about you all acknowledge that all 3 of the starters are shit and you'll never have 'another Greninja' again :^)

>>29833214
Decidueye is already the new Greninja though, just in terms of popularity and the fact that GF will buff Decidueye while Shitiger and Shitseal are righteously left behind.

>>29833266
>the fact that GF will buff Decidueye
This delusion

>>29832023
I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's not the case. If it had Shadow Tag then maybe, but stallmons can just safely switch out to something that counters Decidueye (any steel type basically) and then Decudueye has to switch out enabling its counter to switch out because it's no longer locked. It's literally like saying that damaging Mean Look buttrapes the stall

>>29831439
Literally what the fuck are you talking about.

>>29833266
Popularity, sure, but Greninja was also viable from the start. Decidueye is just as bad as Incineroar and Primarina.

>>29833336
I think he's actually trolling. Nobody can be this delusional. He's basically acting like a Roothoot retard.

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>>29833266
>GF will buff Decidueye

There's nothing they could do to make it good. Not even Protean or Speed Boost.

>>29833391
With Speed Boost it'd be legit. Sadly it has one of the worst HAs in the game.

>>29833425
>With Speed Boost it'd be legit

Legit garbage

>>29833266
Incineroar has two signature moves, is confirmed to evolve in the anime based on the leaked art, and GF clearly loves it the most since Masuda loves Tiger Mask and they put a lot more effort into its z-move. There's literally no way Decidueye is the Greninja of this gen

>>29833425
Give Decidueye Speed Boost and give Primarina Serene Grace.

Does that help?

>>29833483
Yes.

>>29833478
You're retarded, it's confirmed that Ash won't catch Litten since he's catching Rowlet. Fuck off.

>>29833483
>wanting the seal buffed
Fuck off.

>>29833521
They already tried le nothin personnel starter with greninja. SM is le whacky island antics and Incineroar lends itself better to that.

>>29833521
But that buffed Decidueye too. Primarina needs it even more because Liquid Voice essentially does nothing.

>>29832890
Or we just don't really care to argue with pig-headed Decidueye fags.

>>29833573
Except Primarina don't deserve a buff, since it's a shitty pokemon. Decidueye, on the other hand, do deserve buffs, since it's a based pokemon.

>>29833612
Primarina may be fugly but Decidueye's design is just inherently flawed. Like Samurott levels of flawed.

>>29833612
You need to make your baits a bit more subtle and less 10 year old-ish

>>29833627
Your face is inherently flawed.

>>29833266
>Fact that GF will buff Decidueye

Oh and where exactly did you get this from? Your ass?!

Learn what a fact is you delusional retard.

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Decidueye @ Ghostium-Z
Ability: Long Reach
-Soul Shackle
-Curse
-Roost
-Protect/Baton Pass/Defog

A gimmick to end all gimmicks

>>29833642
It's not bait he's just genuinely a retard.

>>29827922
>>29827931
>>29827959
No ,mr underage.

>>29833705
Sure thing kiddo, any homework for the weekend?

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Get fucked Owlbronys

>>29833675
Seems like fun gimmick, but Decidium-z is probably better, not to mention Lefties. Unless it's for Curse in which case, what does it do?

>>29833783
>Made obsolete before the game even releases

What did Decidueye do to deserve this?

>>29833895
Accumulate a shitty fanbase I suppose.

>>29827345
I think an important difference is that Decidueye can function in a way other Pokemon can't, while the others have easy replacements. Its hidden ability seems like nothing until you realize it can U-turn on anything with Rocky Helmet without fear.

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Reminder that Rowlet is canon because it's the only way Kukui gets Incineroar

>>29833807
It can Baton Pass full heals

>>29834015
>pokemon "canon"
Who cares?
Besides it makes more sense for you to fight him with inceneroar for a cool good vs evil wrestling match.

>>29833783
Kek.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-FDyzKPWMNMJ:www.serebiiforums.com/archive/index.php/t-594378-p-3.html+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

ctrl + f + grass/ghost seaweed

>>29833995
>Unstabbed U-turn off 107 attack and 70 speed

>A 'niche'

>>29834072
Yeah fighting his tranny seal sure is a nice wrestlemania main event

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>>29833521
>>29833612
>being this bootyblasted about Primarina

>>29834072
>Who cares?
Intelligent people with taste, wisdom, a sense of morality and manliness care.

If you don't pick Rowlet, you're literally unintelligent with shit taste.

>>29834191

Owlfags everybody.

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>>29834191
This anon is right. If you don't pick waifuowl you have shit taste.

>>29834191
>a sense of morality and manliness care.
>manliness
Wouldn't those people be picking Litten then?

>>29833995
The thing that every Volt Switch user can already do? Fucking sweet. Also if a mon has a Rock Helmet, it's most likely phys def and doesn't care about this non-stab damage coming off of 107 attack

>>29831051
Increasing the use of priority? Pls no. Priority is like right of way. It's completely fake.

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>>29834222
No it simply mean I have different tastes

>>29833967
Honestly this. I really liked Decidueye to the point I considered using it along with Incineroar on my playthough. But the more Rowlettcucks insisted that Decidueye is the best and the others are irredeemable shit, the more I started to see how bland and boring it is. The fuckers made dislike the pokemon so much that I'll be probably picking up the anchor instead of it.
Case in point:
>>29834191

I'm a D.eye fan. Shit's def the worst competitive starter. No WoW, really weak fighting and rock coverage. Plus its spread is both slow and not bulky. NU if not PU.

HP: Way too low
Attack: Not high enough for something so frail that doesn't want to choice
Defense: Too low to survive a Sucker Punch or Pursuit from anything respectable
Sp. Atk: Completely unnecessary, shouldn't have been above 70.
Sp. Def: High for no reason, the least valuable defensive stat
Spe: Too low to band or scarf reliably. Can't even really set up.

Movepool: Shit. What would it actually run? What roles would it fill??? It doesn't een get Shadow Sneak to reliably kill opposing Ghosts, and Sucker Punch is useful but no STAB.

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>decidueye got cucked in its own gen

>>29833566
Not saying litten won't be the main one, but I believe an episode title had Ash catching a Rowlett

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>these are the only things with Mean Look/Block+Baton Pass up until Gen 6
Other than Mew, Decidueye is more resilient than all of them.
I don't know, it could really end up being useful up to a point. Obviously it won't stop your opponent from sending Skarmory or Tyranitar immediately when they see your owl, but nothing is stopping you from being smart as well.

>>29833783
I wonder
How incineroar would be if he got an ability like the anchor but for fighting moves

>>29835518
>fuck yeah, it's not Fire/Fighting!
>b-but please give us Fighting STAB

Why do people complain about slow poke on when trick room is a thing?

>>29835255
>Decidueye
>240 HP/240 Sp. Def/28 Attk with a +SpD, -SpA nature
>Spirit Shackle, Baton Pass, Curse, Roost

I don't think this is the EXACT set they're coming up with but it's supposed to fill a Utility Role.

>>29835496
Trap-passing was removed in the 6th gen

>>29835496
If you trap T-Tar, they're not gonna want to get Feather Danced by a pokemon with Leaf Blade, Low Sweep, and Roost.

>>29835567
Trick room is shit in singles and it can be easy to shut down in doubles.

>>29835622
Mikuyu is gonna be a God for singles trick room setups

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>>29835575
>Generation V
>If a Pokémon traps a target with Mean Look and then switches with Baton Pass the target will no longer be trapped.
GameFreak wouldn't give an exclusive trapping move and Baton Pass to a Pokemon if they didn't want to remove the trapping nerf, r-right?

>>29835567
Problem with decidueye is that it's too fast for trick room, but too slow for normal play.

>>29835655
All three starter moves are pretty useles so I don't think they'll change a game mechanic just for Decidueye

>>29835714
They could add the ability to be batonpassed back into Spirit Shackle (and the anchor as well I guess), but after reading that my hopes have been shattered. The move could still be used to make the opponent unable to double switch, but I don't see how that could be useful enough to warrant the owl a place in anyone's team.

>>29835558
Well its more the fact they give the other 2 unique abilities but give incineroar intimidate

Even though its the best of the 3 its odd

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>>29835571
>curse on a ghost

>>29835868
Sub 1200 elo shitter detected.

>>29835571
>curse on a ghost type plus baton pass
Verlisify is that you?

>>29835916
>decidueye user
you need some help using the computer, my special needs friend?

>>29826561
So what all the starters suck in this gen? What about hidden abilities?

>>29835768
To be honest Spirit Shackle is the least shit out of the three. It has higher BP than a Shadow Claw and trapping while situational could be useful. Primarina would much rather use Scald or Hydro Pump and Incineroar would be much better off with Knock Off, but it doesn't even get it yet so Darkest Lariat is its best option for now. And I'm a Littenfag admitting this. Decidueye is still RU at best and I genuinely don't know what will be the most competetive starter for this gen

>>29835987
Incineroar is useful in competitive, other two maybe ok for singles

>>29835957
verlis is poppliofag

>>29835868
>>29835957

A smogon set they're thinking of, not mine.