What is the point of High Horsepower? Isn't it just an objectively

>>29814180
What does it do?

>>29814193
power 90 acc 90, thats it.

>>29814180
Stronger in doubles.
Makes contact so different utility.

>>29814180
>expecting any new physical ground type move to be as good/better than Earthquake

I don't think Earthquake is gonna lose viability anytime soon. It's just too useful.

>>29814180
Ask Land's Wrath.

EQ gets shafted in Grassy Terrain, HHP does not. If Bulu gets popular/You're running Bulu, you'll want HHP over EQ whenever possible.
Also useful in Doubles if you want a strong physical ground move that doesn't hit your partners and get reduced damage from spread.

>>29814253
I don't expect objectively better versions of Earthquake, just something that isn't completely outclassed by it. Earth Power is a weaker special version, Precipice Blades is stronger at the expense of accuracy, etc.There is no reason to run High Horsepower over Earthquake, and I Earthquake has so much coverage that I think every mon that learns High Horsepower learns Earthquake too

>>29814292
>reduced damage from spread
what

>>29814180
Tough Claws

>>29814180
if you stop thinking about the move in terms of single battle viability, then you'll realize it's niche

>>29814264
I guess that one has a niche use in doubles because it hits all foes but not allies

Is there a list of all the new moves somewhere?

>>29814367
https://daily.pokecommunity.com/2016/11/08/pokemon-sun-and-moon-is-leaked-datamined/

Do we actually have confirmation that HH is single-target?

Do status moves do damage when converted into Z-Moves?

>>29814328
Any attack that hits more than one target gets its power reduce to 75%. Sure it hits more than one opponent, but Earthquake hits your ally, too.

>>29814328
/vp/ being fucking casual kiddies as usual desu

Spread moves, when attacking multiple targets (that includes your partner), get a 75% reduction in base power, stupid retard.

>>29814493
nice, you showed him

>>29814493
>75% reduction
stupid retard

Does anyone know what the formula for Z-move power is?

>>29814292
>EQ gets shafted in Grassy Terrain
Pretty much this.

Unless the mechanics of Grassy Terrain has changed in gen 7, before in Gen 6 it specifically halved the power of EQ, Bulldoze, Magnitude. Somehow Earth Power was exempt from this and High Horsepower might also escape the nerfbat.

Also if you play Official format/doubles EQ is always going to not only be a double edged sword (hitting your partner) but it's also gimped to 75% of it's normal damage.

All in all the worst case scenario is if Tapu Bulu pops out in VGC/Doubles you're looking at a EQ effectively doing the equivilent of 4x resist damage to neutral pokemon. Thsi disregards other modifiers like Reflects, Intimidate, burns.

>>29814180
Could be better on certain doubles teams, and it comes at a much earlier level for in-game use

>Swords dance simple bibarel

>>29814394
>oceanic operetta is physical
But why