ITT: Post sets for the new mons Golisopod @ Assault Vest EVs:

>>29774008
>Liquidation
>not First Impression
STAB Priority on 90 BP is ridiculously good, even if you can only use it on its first turn.

>>29774212
>STAB Priority on 90 BP
what the fug

>>29774008
I'd say something along the lines of
>Leech Life
>Liquidation / Aqua Jet
>Aqua Jet / First Impression
>Rock Slide

With Rock Slide, Golisopod is resisted by only 5 Pokémon (counting alternate forms as separate), and does SE damage to 419. Plus, I'd be wary of going to heavy into priority with all of the anti-priority options this gen.

>>29774292
>using Aqua Jet over First Impression
>using Rock Slide when it could get run over by Fairies without Poison Jab

>>29774212
>>29774239
What's worth remembering is that this move won't just come out once. You'll get to use it again after you've swapped back into Golisopod later in the game. It could be a free cleanup kill in all honesty.

>>29774008

You LITEREALLY will not be able to use anything that's not priority, because he's so slow, once he's below 50%, the enemy can juggle you out as soon as you try to attack.

Unless you are up against a pokemon slower than 40

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Shitter here, just a thought.

Mimikyu @ leftovers
EVs: 252 HP/252 Attack
Impish Nature
-Sword Dance
-Play Rough
-Leech Life
-Destiny Bond

Not really sure on the last slot, probably a better alternative to DB. Thoughts?

>>29774329
I left choice of priority up to personal preference; First Impression is great, but I want to run a slower Golisopod that's less reliant on priority. And you don't need Poison Jab when you have powerful physical STAB that hits them neutrally in the form of Liquidation.

But hey, to each their own.

>>29774389
Fuck meant Adamant, don't know why I said impish.

Minior @ Mental Herb / Focus Sash
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Speed / 252 Speed
Jolly Nature
- Acrobatics
- Shell Smash
- Stealth Rock
- Stone Edge / Rock Slide

>>29774403
Without Poison Jab it can do absolutely nothing to Tapu Fini.

>>29774386
I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. I'm almost positive you have to be above 50% in the first place for his ability to trigger. And with that being the case, you could easily come in on a good pivot with below 50% HP, land a Leech Life to get back up, then proc a switch with your ability.

>>29774389
Replace Destiny Bond with Shadow Sneak. It's a natural fit on a Swords Dance set.

>>29774426
Earthquake instead of Acrobatics to deal with Rock, Steel, and Electric types actually

>>29774449
Oh shit I completely forgot it got shadow sneak, yeah definitely a needed move.

>>29774463
*instead of Stone Edge
Fuck

>>29774430
So you use a different Pokémon for Tapu Fini? It's not that hard. Run Tapu Bulu; that way you can also nullify Misty Terrain and get passive recovery onto Golisopod.

>>29774389
Mimikyu is a baton pass mon

>>29774493
That makes sense.

>Tapu Bulu
>Heatran
>Golisopod
is there a more unstoppable team?
I can't come up with more team members. Maybe Latios and Landorus-T?

>>29774389
I had this idea for a dumb gimmick set:

Mimikyu @ Focus Sash
252 Attack/252 Speed
-Swords Dance
-Shadow Sneak
-Play Rough
-Baton Pass/Coverage Move

Basically, you get 2 FREE swords dances thanks to its ability and sash, and hope you can outspeed anything that shadow sneak won't kill

>>29774502
>>29774541
Excuse my ignorance but was baton pass confirmed for mimikyu? If so is it a tm or level up?

Anyone thought up an owl set?

>>29774389

I'm probably going to go Bulk Up, Will-O-Wisp, Leech Life and Shadow Claw or something.

>>29774618
Why shadow claw over shadow sneak?

Bruxish @ Life Orb
Ability: Dazzling
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Attack / 252 Speed
Jolly / Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Ice Fang
- Swords Dance
- Crunch / Aqua Jet

>>29774540
Definitely something with Ground and/or Electric coverage, as the only things that resist that trio's STAB are Tentacool, Tentacruel, Qwilfish, Empoleon, and Skrelp.

I'm thinking Krookodile might see more use now that Power Trip is a thing, and we'll most likely be limited to things available in Alola for some time.

>>29774588
swords dance
leaf bladae
spirit shackle
low sweep/steel wing
????
I'm not good at this

Does it get roost?

>>29774588
-Spirit Shackle
-Leaf Blade
-Swords Dance
-Baton Pass

>>29774685
>>29774681
What about EVs and nature?

>>29774426
man, that's a lot of speed EVs

>>29774674
Will Smogon only allow mons available in Alola before Bank is available? I'm not familiar with how that works.

>>29774728
Last Gen, bank mons were relegated to a separate meta until the bank became accessible IRL.

>>29774674
I'm thinking Raikou and Landorus will be great on that team

Krookodile might see play but I sort of doubt it will use Power Trip since it's still frail

>>29774426
>504 Speed
H-hayai

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>>29774389
>>29774008

Did Leech Life get buffed or something?

>>29774426

Shell Smash and Stealth Rocks isn't very smart. I doubt you'll be able to pull off both and you'd be better off with Earthquake in place of it to deal with Steel types who otherwise wall you to death

>>29774972
Ye. It's basepower is 80 now.

>>29774972
80 bp

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>mfw Z-move Splash is viable on Gyarados

>>29775018
So...
Minior @ Mental Herb / Focus Sash
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Attack / 252 Speed
Jolly Nature
- Acrobatics
- Shell Smash
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge / Rock Slide

>>29774389
Infestation
Will o wisp
Attract
Pain split

>>29774972
Biggest buff in the history of Pokémon my friend.

Celesteela w/ Leftovers, Leech Seed, Toxic, Sub, and Fly

>>29775090

Looks good to me, though honestly I'd run +Atk nature and 108 Speed Ev's. Gives you just enough to outrun Sand Rush Excadrill after a Shell Smash and the freedom to invest in whatever else. Not that it helps that much, but there's absolutely no reason you need to be faster than that.

>>29775174

Nah, don't run fly. The free turns are nice but that set is shut down completely by Ferrothorn and to a lesser extent, Amoonguss and other Grass/Poison types. Celesteela gets Flamethrower so, that might be the better option.

>>29774008
What does Liquidation do?

>>29774389
Mimikyu @ leftovers
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def
HP Nature
-Toxic
-Substitute
-Leech Life
-Protect

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Tsareena @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Queenly Majesty/leaf guard
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Attack / 252 Speed
Jolly / Adamant Nature

High Jump Kick
Play Rough
U-Turn
Trop Kick/Return

Really Tsareena is only fucked over by its speed, but with choice scarf and u-turn it might actually be able to put in some work. Its move-pool has just enough variety to work; play rough was the saving grace here. Leaf Guard I see being useful to avoid burns as well.

It also gets acrobatics so some berry shenanigans might be possible.

Also rapid spin? So maybe a spinner set?

>>29775302
Water type Crunch.

>>29775193
But will that outspeed Surge Surfer Raichu-A?

Bibarel @ Leftovers(?)
Simple
-Aqua Jet
-Skull Bash
-Swords Dance
-Amnesia / Rest

Shitty set? y/n

>>29775630

Shit, I forgot that was a thing now. We also don't know if anything other than Sandslash-A gets Slush Rush, so that might be something. In that case, it'll have to be Timid with 176 EV's in speed. It feels weird to run a positive nature and not fully invest, but at a certain point it's just redundant.

>>29775193
Why not neglect Speed EVs altogether and invest in HP? It gives it more time to set up (and Shell Smash raises Speed anyway). With its 60/100/100 defenses it's somewhat bulky, so you might as well take advantage of that.

>>29774008
Golisopod @ Life Orb
Ability: Whateverthenameis
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Aqua Jet
- Leech Life
- First Impression

Could also swap HP for 252 Speed and a Jolly nature, it might be better

I don't know if this works, but if Golisopod switches in twice to rocks whilst on an odd number of HP and uses First Impression, can the life orb recoil switch him right back out again and become a continuous cycle of First Impressioning out?

What's vp's opinion on Pollen Puff? Ribombee is crazy fast (base 124), and Pollen Puff is a Bug STAB and also a healing move depending on who you use it on. I think it could see some use in Doubles. Seems very versatile.

>>29774212
its not priority. no where does it say it goes first.

>>29774008
Drampa

252 hp
252 special attack
quiet/modest (its speed shit anyway)
Beserk (raises Spa when HP his 50% or lower
Chesto berry

hyper voice
Fire blast
rest
calm mind/Sleep talk

>>29774212
It doesn't get priority, fool

>denialfags have moved onto "muh no priority" now
So sad

I'm thinking of a good Incineroar doubles partner, because I think he has potential in doubles with his HA. Any thoughts?

What is the best Celesteela set? That thing is just so bizarre.

>>29776223
you won't be needing rest and sleep talk because
it gets Roost

>>29774694
>>29774685
I would also like to know this

Wormadam-Trash (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz/Flash Cannon

THE DESTROYER OF PU HAS ARRIVED

>>29776207
>>29776234
keep up

First Impression
Although this move has great power, it only works\nthe first turn the user is in battle.
Bug
Physical
90 Power
100% Accuracy
10 PP
>2 Priority
Adjacent Pokémon
Effect 382
Flags 0x49
Savage Spin-Out (175 Power)

source: https://paste[dot]ee/r/mvJ70
from one of the dataminers' Twitter

>>29774292
I would say get Poison Jab to prevent fairies from walling.

Marowak @ Thick Club
252 Atk/252 HP Adamant
Rock Head
-Shadow Bone
-Flare Blitz
-Bonemerang
-Stone Edge?

Guys I really wanna find some way to make this guy useful. Any Ideas?

>>29776667
Play Doubles and use Speed Swap or Trick Room

>>29776519
It also learns fly fitting, for the Snoop Dragon

>>29774972
Fel Stinger is 50 BP now too.

>>29774212
Is first impression supposed to be like fake out or what?

Anyone know where to get Wimpod?

Can a brother get a list of all the new moves introduced

Does anyone know where I could find a list of all the moves older Pokemon got?

>>29774008
Is it true that even though Golisopod got this scary ass form he's still a fucking coward?

>>29777112
He is not cowardly, he is smart.

>>29777112
It's called emergency exit when he evolves
He stops being a wimp and starts playing smart

>>29777119
>>29777137
It's kinda cute imagining that he's still a scaredy cat and he just calls it a tactical escape to cover up for it though

>>29774008
Golisopod @ Assault Vest
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Attack / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Leech Life
- Aqua Jet
- First Impression
- Sucker Punch

Fixed.

Bibarel @ Life Orb
Simple
252 Attack / 252 Speed
Jolly/Adamant
Swords Dance
Aqua Jet
Return
Superpower

We OU now?
RU at best, desu

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Toxapex @ Black Sludge
Ability: Merciless
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Toxic Spikes
- Baneful Bunker
- Liquidation
- Recover

The basic idea behind this set is that Toxapex has enough defenses as it is. By pumping points into HP, both are enhanced further. By making it Adamant and pumping points into Atk, it'll hit much harder than expected.

Toxic Spikes are a must. Toxapex has enough defense to almost certainly get out two layers before needing to Recover. Baneful Bunker effectively just acts like Protect, giving an additional turn for poison to take its toll and for Black Sludge to heal. It can also be used to poison flying or levitating targets that may have switched in over Toxic Spikes, or targets that were in before Toxic Spikes were out. Recover speaks for itself.

I chose Liquidation for two reasons. One is that it's a hard-hitting STAB, and with a guaranteed crit through Merciless, it should be able to do at least decent damage to most targets. The second is the fact that it can lower enemy Defense, which can not only assist with the kill, but also force a weakened opponent to switch out, throwing another Pokémon into the Toxic Spikes.

>>29777306
I think this is a good set and a good mon, but I don't see it being higher than UU or RU. Tentacruel does almost exactly the same role and has more flexibility due to its wider movepool, as well as being able to outspeed many ground types (e.g. CB Krookodile) that would would outright annihilate Toxipex

>>29777442
>Regenerator
>Recover
>Ridiculous Bulk

it's OU material

>>29777442
But Toxapex has better defensive stats. Could that not allow it to act just as proficiently as Tentacruel? After all, its Baneful Bunker + Recover toxic stall is pretty good.

>>29777442
difference is that Tentacruel has tons of special bulk, while Toxapex can tank both physical and special.

Is there any way to make vikavolt not shit? At least good enough for UU?

>>29777442
Tentacruel doesn't have a reliable way to recover.

Imagine if he did.

That's Toxapex.

>>29777488
no i think the main difference is that tentacruel has 0 reliable recovery, toxapex is going to last so much longer in any team purely based on the fact that it has recover/regenerator

>>29777442
>(e.g. CB Krookodile)
CB Krook OHKOs both of them, Toxapex can even take an EQ if invested, and even if Tentacruel outspeeds it can't really do much back to it.
Tentacruel will probably still be somewhat used due to spinning though, but in OU I'd imagine Toxapex paired with something like Excadrill will be more popular.

>>29777489
Doubles with Trick Room or Tailwind.
Good luck.
Eviolite Charjabug honestly sounds kind of interesting for doubles/triples shenanigans.

>>29777489
specs vikavolt on doubles with speed swap ribombee or some gimmick speed fuckery is the only thing that comes to mind

>>29777629
>Tentacruel can't do anything back to it
It can scald/hydro pump

>>29777474
Baneful Bunker poisons, not toxics

>>29777645
>>29777629
What about singles? Is it kill there?

>>29777734
Trick room ;)

>>29777734
Sticky Web desu

>>29777691
1/8th every turn wears things the fuck down.

But yeah, Baneful Bunker should be used with Regenerator, not Merciless. And to be honest, Merciless shouldn't be used anyways.

>>29777662
Scald is 60-70% to uninvested Krookodile, so you're either betting on the burn or Hydro Pump to hit. I'd rather just switch into a proper counter.

>>29777752
Not a bad idea, though you either need two Bug/Electrics or a shitmon on your team.
With the fall of brabest birb, it has some potential, but is still outsped by invested base 90s.

>>29777734
Sorry anon.

It's usable attack movepool consists of Bug Buzz, Energy Ball, Volt-Switch / T-Bolt, and Flash Cannon. It technically gets Air Slash, but that's even more shit.

It gets fucking T-Wave, Substitute, and Agility for Support moves.

Agility may have mattered if it had a better movepool, or base 60 Speed. As it is, he only JUST makes 400 Speed if he invests EVERYTHING into Speed. Realistically, he'll not even hit 380 without the +Nature, which means anything with a Choice Scarf or even a +1 Boost will outspeed him, and his defenses aren't good enough for him to be taking hits while boosting.

>>29777847
>Proper counter to CB Krook
WHERE

>>29777645
Isnt it gonna get rekt on turn one? Maybe no specs, protect and trick room on its partner??

>>29777869
I don't know man I'm just a theorycrafter I haven't played in a long time.

>>29777873
Do we know how speed is calculated with Speed Swap? If it takes effect the turn the speed is swapped, unlike megas, it might work.
And I suppose Vikavolt is "bulky" enough to take one hit.

People and their EV spreads. As if this was still a sweeping meta game. Calculate your attacks and EVs for potential threats, and good luck trying to Sweep with a slow Pokemon.

>>29777900
>Do we know how speed is calculated with Speed Swap? If it takes effect the turn the speed is swapped, unlike megas, it might work.

It doesn't. You ever notice how in a double/triple battle, if one Pokemon gets paralyzed, they still take their turn as if they hadn't?

Turn order is decided before any moves occur, based on Priority and then Speed. The only thing that changes the turn order after that are moves that specifically change the values in the Turn Order table.

>And I suppose Vikavolt is "bulky" enough to take one hit.
>77/90/75

Are we talking Singles or Doubles?

In Singles, no, cause SR will break it.

In Doubles, no, cause it has to take 2 hits + priority next turn.

>>29777306
>>29777442
Toxepex is one of the few gen 7 pokemon I'm sure will be OU.

>>29777984
>It doesn't.
Thought so.

>77/90/75
"Defensive" Talonflame is popular, even though it has 78/71/69 defenses.
I suppose Vikavolt-anon should go with Protect, then.

>>29778023
Defensive Talonflame was "popular" because it could literally ALWAYS hit first.

Vikavolt sure as fuck can't hit first.

How about bewear ?
Good physical bulk thanks to its 120 hp and fluffy, and hits hard.
It's just that it doesn't have the movepool to support it.

>>29778103
He's not terrible, he's just not great.

Stat wise, he's solid. 120/80/60 defenses may seem meh, but he's basically a slightly bulkier Mamoswine with a slightly less shit defensive typing. 125 Atk is nothing to sneeze at either.

Typing-wise, he's wishing he had it better. It's not great defensively, but at least he gets an immunity to come in on.

Ability-wise, Fluffy is pretty nice. Not amazing, but decent. Definitely ups his longetivity.

Move-wise, Hammer Arm and Shadow Claw are decent and give him unresisted type coverage. So that means that he gets to choose between a Pain Split + Bulk Up / Substitute set, or a Sword Dance + Rock Slide / (Dragon Claw) set. He'll be able to run a Life Orb set, a Leftovers set, and a Band set - too slow for Scarf though.

Overall, he's a pretty solid Pokemon that can come into the battle really easily thanks to his immunity and Fluffy, and he can stay there for a bit and do a bit of damage, but he really wishes he was Ghost/Fighting instead of Normal/Fighting (which would make more sense as it's a spirit living in a fucking stuffed bear).

>>29778270
I would've loved fairy/fighting too.
We don't have many physical fairies, and this thing looks like it should get play rough.

>>29778391
Oh, I forgot that he actually gets Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, and Stomping Tantrum as well.

Play Rough would have been nice though.

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Nihilego @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs:74 HP/184 Sp. Attack/252 Speed
Wonder Room (Swaps defense and special defense)
Power Gem
Sludge Wave
Psyshock

Evs put it at 336 sp. attack and 335 speed so the ability will boost it's special attack. This makes up for it not having any boost moves available and the extra evs go into bulk to make up for the lack of recovery.

The main idea of this set is to hit hard and abuse it's natural bulk with wonder room. If a special wall comes in you can use Psyshock or swap defenses and probably get a free kill + boost out of it for things that resist Psyshock. When something can hit you hard physically, wonder room to swap your defenses. This would work really well with sandstorm to further increase your bulk.

What about Dhelmise ? I love its design.

Steelworker and Anchor Shoot are obvious, but after ?

>>29774389
Shit, I'm not sure if I want mine to be a little status bitch or a swords dance sweeper.
Free turn to set up is pretty nice, and he's definitely quick compared to most of the gen

>>29776667
Shit, where can I see all the info on A-Marowak?

>>29778646
Is there an album of these stat images anywhere?

>>29777306
Toxapex @ Black Sludge
Ability: Merciless
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Toxic Spikes/Toxic
- Venishock
- Scald
- Recover

Hows this?

>>29780542
>Merciless
Nigga just use Regenerator.

>>29780554
But with merciless and venoshock it lands really power ful hits if the target is poisoned
It's more offensive

I seriously need to see where all the leaked info is. Anyone got a link I can look into?

>>29776667
I want him to be good to but I doubt he will be. In doubles there's more of a chance I think but in singles it's doubtful.

One thing he has going for him is very few mons would wanna switch in on him, THICC club STAB Rock Head Flare Blitz is gonna hit like a truck and in general Fire/Ghost is good offensive typing.

The problem is it's hard for him to switch in on things, he's slow as balls and not that bulky...

>>29774782
Thanks to QR everything that isn't legendary should be available at launch

>>29780663
Does he have the same stat spread as regular marowak?

>>29776121
shit i never thought about that. come to think of it, how does that ability even work after it's already been activated?

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Kommo-o @ Lum Berry/Leftovers
Ability: Soundproof/Overcoat
EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Adamant/Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Poison Jab
- Sky Uppercut
- Outrage/Dragon Claw

>>29780899
Yup. Sadly.

>>29774008
>use super fang
>gets swapped out

Is this the worst pokemon added?

>>29781270
Not before being hit with a STAB, +2 Priority, 90 BP First Impression.

Is this the Generation of the buge? Cause I'm ok with that.

>>29781270
that's why first impression exists, my dude

>>29781270
FIRST IMPRESSION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00MP-jdgwL8

>>29781304
>>29781379
>>29781440
you all seem to forget that one of, if not the most common super fang user 4x resists bug.

>>29780604
Not off 65 Special Attack, dude. It's a cool ability but basically no point.

Speaking of merciless, it really sucks that Seviper didn't get it. It'd open up a cool niche for it and it fits lorewise.

>>29781829
Bruh, even with a shitty spec att it hits like a truck with venoshock.

>>29778646
Are you trying to tell me that I can make a good sandstorm team again?

>Gigalith
>Lycanroc
>Nihilego

IS IT TIME TO ROCK?!

Bulk up Golispod is kind of a pointless with the ability is it not?

I'm thinking the best is lefties+Leech life for the HP, yes?

>>29782276
I'd rather go for the Assault Vest. It's already got amazing Def, and Assault Vest brings up it's SpD to the same level, freeing up EVs to invest in HP, Atk and Spd. And like Conkeldurr it can afford to go all offenses thanks to Leech Life sustaining it.

>>29782381
So 252 HP / 252 ATK 4 Whatever
Assvest
-First Impression
-Leech Life
-Liquidate
-Rock Slide

What nature? Should I invest in def or s.def