>Dragon/Fighting >3 great abilities >Godlike defenses

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>>29770102

>scarf cleffa use fairy wind

>>29770102
I want to fuck it's cloaca.

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>>29770125
>Spe: 85
>those stats wasted in bulk when its HP is below average
>it's a slow bulky mixed attacked with a 4x weakness episode

IT'S NOT FAIR

>>29770102
also automotize

>Belly Drum
>Rock Polish

Time for ineffective meme sets.

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>>29770165
>85
>slow
>compared to the rest of the alola dex

>>29770125
>Doesn't learn a single fighting move

Why wasn't it dragon/steel?

>>29770102
soundproof its the best of those 3 right?

also whats the signature move that was shown in the leaks?

>>29770102
>It's the pseudo and not haxorus stats
Can't express how happy i am.

>>29770187
Ineffective meme sets are the heart and soul of Showderp

Is Jangmo-o catchable early in the game?

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>>29770165
It has Dragon Dance and Auto and Belly Drum.

It has the bulk to set up and run with it.

>>29770125
>Dragon/fighting

>Doesn't learn fighting moves.

What?

>>29770195
>alola dex

Literally who cares about that, they're mostly all shitmons. I'm worried about it being outsped by actual pokemon that get used

>>29770232
>sky uppercut

>>29770102
Defense doesn't mix well with below average HP

Garchomp is still better

>>29770165
>gets dragon dance
>Automise
>belly drum
>swords dance
>3 good abilities
>iron defense

Only problem is no close combat

>>29770218
last island

>>29770198
>>29770232
What type is that jangle shit?

>>29770232
Not many but it gets Bulk Up, Focus Blast, Sky Uppercut and Brick Break.

>>29770229
Yeah, and Zard-X also has DD, way more power and can outspeed this thing.

>>29770266
>it gets 5840 setup moves
>its only problem is no good second STAB!
>this is somehow """"good""""

>>29770195
Alola dex isn't just Alolan Kantos and new Pokemon. It includes Starmie apparently.

>>29770248
eh, dragon dance.

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>>29770165
umm, dragon dance? rock polish?

>>29770290
Sky uppercut and brick break will Suffice

>>29770165
Don't forget that Hakamo-o gets Autotomize.

>>29770300
Anon, if you get outsped and ko'd by your opponent, you can't afford to set up Dragon Dance.

>>29770314
>brick break
>sky uppercut
You're not serious, r-right? 85 BP and lower is terrible...

>>29770272
Fuck man

Why so long?

>>29770248

Yeah, because speed is everything. That's why Amoongus, Ferrothorn, and Chansey are NU.

>>29770366
It's not THAT bad

>>29770232
>no Close Combat
Are you fucking kidding me?

>>29770366
>what is shadow ball?
>what is dark pulse?

>>29770371
Cause that's usually how it goes, only Dratini and Goomey can be caught midgame

>>29770375
Amoongus, Ferrothorn, and Chansey are all effective walls with lots going for it. Amoongus has spore, Ferrothorn has Iron Barbs and a great type, and Chansey has its sky-high HP, ability to run eviolite, and reliable recovery as well as the ability to run Wish.

This is a slow bulky mixed attacker with no STAB and mediocre-bad abilities. It doesn't have any killer moves like Spore. None of its stats are particularly high - its Def is the highest but its poor HP and painful weaknesses to Flying and Fairy, the most spammable types in the game, offsets its ability to bulk anything.

I can see it succeeding in UU maybe. Sad.

>>29770366
>dragonite
>only flying stab is wing attack aerial ace hurricane and fly
>salamence
>only flying stab is Aerial ace and fly
>took a mega to fix that problem

Brick break is better then wing attack or fly

>its been 10 years and garchomp still cant learn via earthquake level up

>>29770371
>>29770425
bagon is on the first island i believe

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Think you made a mistake OP, don't worry though as I'll post the actual best gen 7 mon.

>>29770451
I don't think it'll be great, but Overcoat is a decent ability. It basically lets you set up on grass types for free.

>>29770451
With all 3 of those abilities it calls for mind games
>do you shadow ball focus blast etc etc
>do you hyper voice
>do spore/ sleep powder

best moveset for this?

>>29770466
Dragonite has multiscale, a god tier ability. Salamence has an extremely powerful mega with Aerilate, I never proposed that base form Salamence is viable. Stop trying to compare apples to oranges. This thing doesn't have anything special going for it, it NEEDS good stab to nuke things with its good coverage, and it just doesn't get it. Couple that with its blunderous stat distribution (100 SpA but no special moves?), and it's really disappointing for a pseudo.

>>29770451
>Flying
>spammable
>when Talonflame was nerfed to the ground

>>29770544
see this >>29770420

>>29770522
except you don't do anything of that, you use Brave Bird or Air Slash or Moonblast and destroy it. The only ability that actually helps it is Soundproof because of immunity to Pixilate Hyper Voice. But the other abilities are not as good - Bulletproof is just mediocre and Overcoat is basically useless, its only real use being to negate Spore.

>>29770581
Again, you're comparing apples and oranges. this isn't a dark/ghost type, it's a dragon/fighting type. If it doesn't get decent fighting STAB then that's a seriously blow to its viability. And by the way, Shadow Ball and Dark Pulse aren't exactly the best moves anyway, things that are forced to run those are usually low on coverage or are running them to counter a specific threat. Ghost is well known for having a drought of good offensive moves, don't point to Shadow Ball as an example of something good.

>>29770102
Why make it's signature move special, when it's got mediocre special attack and no way to boost it?
Also nice defences but shit hp. That's been another running theme of gen 7 alongside low speed

>>29770516
I'm surprised no one is talking about mimikyu at all especially since it's actual good with solid as fuck stats
Choice scarf adamant and choice band jolly is going to be pretty good too since it can tank a super effective and still have full health

>>29770661

What if moonblast is now a bullet move?

>>29770700
Then assuming there are no new high BP fairy type moves that helps it a lot, Dazzling Gleam is pretty crap and only run for coverage. However, keep in mind that if Bulletproof stops Moonblast and Soundproof stops Hyper Voice, it can only stop one at a time. So it does help it a lot but it's not impervious either.

Also Play Rough still hits it but that's not as common, iirc the biggest users are Mawile-M and Azumarill but it has better physical bulk.

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>>29770696
I'm just glad all those idiots spouting "PU" were BTFO. I didn't see its full moveset, does it have any good stat boosting moves? Having a free turn to boost might really let it do work.

>>29770544
Salamence have a good ability and a good sp.atk that allows it to function in double's also. No superpower, nor Close Combat is a waste of a type.

>>29770696
It's completely immune to both of kommo-is stabs
Does it even get poison jab or iron head?

>>29770784
Agreed. Not giving it good fighting STAB is just a huge middle finger.

>>29770759
I think it might have sword dance, but i actually have no clue
Regardless it's going to be guaranteed UU due to how solid its stats are and its amazing typing

Still going to use it, looks cool as fuck

>>29770102

WAAMU

Sorry, can't help it.

>>29770544
>100 spa with no special moves
>signature move is special

DIVINE

>>29771025
>100 special attack

DO WE HAVE A NEW PURE POWER OR HUGE POWER USER THIS GENERATION

>>29771025
>Signature move is special
>100 special attack
kek

>>29770759
it gets swords dance along with bulk up and work up

>>29770102
>>29770232
Also the Jangmo-o is not fighting.
worst pseudo.

>>29771141
Swords dance and bulk up seem pretty good, or at least workable. Having a pretty nice 96 speed might let it be a nice sweeper.

>>29770102
Part of it
It's a squad with the following
>Ribombee
>Kommo-o
>Day Lycanroc
>Mimikyu
>Comfey
>Toxapex
>Golisopod
>Tsareena
>Bruxish to an extent
>Decidueye? (it is the technical best out of the bunch)
>The Anchor
>Minior
>Sivally
>>29771141
Holy fucking shit no way...

>>29771073
Nope this gen is all around pure shit when it comes to the dex.

>>29770516
Disguise + Sash will be fun

>>29771217
>comfey
I keep hearing about it but haven't seen its stats, how exactly is it good? Though it is nice to see we aren't getting single stage shitmons, heard komala is fairly solid.

>>29771363
>Comfey: 51/52/90/82/110/100
Literally what Primarina wishes to be

>>29770125
Does it learn any Steel or Poison moves?

>>29771217
what about salazzle?

>>29771697
Shit i forgot her, thanks for reminding me
>Ribombee
>Kommo-o
>Day Lycanroc
>Mimikyu
>Comfey
>Toxapex
>Golisopod
>Tsareena
>Bruxish to an extent
>Decidueye sort of
>Salazzle
>The Anchor
>Minior
>Sivally

Is there any page where I can look at the type weaknesses and match-ups for some of the new mons?

>>29771749
Isn't turtonator pretty solid?

>>29771912
>Turtonator: 60/78/135/91/85/36
ehhh sort of, but it doesn't have enough offense or speed to back it up when it can't rely on spamming its shell trap since it's really slow
Plus it gets easily walled due to how rather underwhelming its special attack is
It's most certainly better than drampa, but it doesn't really serve too much of a purpose outside using its signature move and maybe will-o-wisp

>>29771472
But Primarina is actually much bulkier than Comfey. If anything, She has the better ability and movepool (fucking leech seed and U-turn).

I still think Primarina will be viable considering it's Milotic 2.0 despite the terrible abilities.

>>29770913
You're underappreciated

>>29770291
First tourney is alolans only.

>>29771363
komala being basically asleep all the time is immune to status. it's basically the same as vital spirit + perma safeguard

>>29772107
Well it certainly has much more health, it lacks greatly in defense and since Decidueye and Tsareena's best stat is their attack, it gets countered rather easily, plus Liquid hyper voice gets cockblocked easily by Kommo-o and Toxapex, which both seems to be UU threats if not OU already.
In short Primarina isn't bad, but it already has serious competition from its fellow alolan brethen due to lackluster defense and speed, and to make matters worse for it, Azumarill can hit hard enough to chunk it, if not outright kill it with choice band double edge

>>29770198
It learns Sky Uppercut dumbass

>>29770165
it can dragon dance, what kills it is the shitty movepool
>no reliable fighting STAB
>no reliable dragon STAB unless using the inferior spatk, which makes dragon dance useless
>only coverage that looks kinda useful its fucking poison jab
>almost all the lvl up moves are fucking normal types

>>29770559

How is it nerfed into the ground?
There are only 3 Pokémon that can effectively block priority: Bruxish, Tsareena and Tapu Lele.
Tsareena can't do shit. Bird resists both Tsareena's STAB and will still hit hard with Blitz
Bruxish and Tapu Lele can be U-Turn'd out of, and as they are outsped they can't deal it damage in turn.

Hardly a nerf, but as expected of Gamefreak. It's like how they thought M-Gallade would balance M-Kangaskhan.

>>29772752
>He doesn't know about the gale wings nerf

>>29772740
>110 to 100 Sp.Atk
>Useless
Opinion discarded

>>29772870
>makes dragon dance useless
learn to read

Predictions for its best ability? Soundproof, perhaps?

>>29773013
probably Bulletproof

I have a feeling that the Hyper Voice fairies will be shot down to UU with Kartana coming out

>>29773111
Do you really think that monster can avoid Ubers?

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>>29770125
>>29770102
>no Close Combat

Jesus Christ, this gen is fucking terrible.

>>29773177
For the first two weeks, yeah

and even then Smart Strike will help keep them down depending on what mons get it

>>29772752
Bird needs to be at full hp for Gale Wings to work, the bird is gone from the meta, permanently.

>>29772921
He still gets Work Up, right?

>>29770102
>Autotomize
>Belly Drum
So if your opponent is high as fuck you win, neat.

>>29770102
And FUCKING BARELY ANY FIGHTING MOVES!

>>29776683
>Clanging Scales
>Focus Blast
>Flamethrower
>Autotomize
all you need desu

>>29773728
He's not, but it's not good.

Talonflame was always meant to be a stopper to scarfers, and that's all he is now.

>>29770516
How far into the game do you find this qt?

>>29777303
Literally the second route

>>29777410
NANI. I COULD ONLY FIND GASTLIES IN THE GRAVEYARD.

>>29770259
Say that to clefable with 95HP and 73Def

fucking belly drum yeah

>>29770696
>its actually good
wat

>>29770593
>Running Moonblast over Pixilate Hyper Voice

>>29772107
>milotic 2.0
>doesn't have solid recovery
>doesn't have marvel scale

>>29777895

55/90/80/50/105/96. Passable defensive stats as long as it gets a recovery move...

...and it fucking gets Pain Split, which is the best recovery move it could have hoped for. The rest of it's moveset is decent as well, with shit like Taunt, Will-O-Wisp/T-Wave, Destiny Bond. Oh and somehow, the little fucker gets Wood Hammer and Leech Life along with Sword Dance (which it can certainly get off thanks to Disguise), so it's not exactly lacking in coverage moves.

Disguise is literally a free Protect for the first move that hits Mimikyu.

It's typing is fantastic, with 3 immunities, a 4x resist, and only two uncommon weaknesses.

He's actually a good Pokemon. Don't expect him in OU or anything, but don't be surprised to see tons of these little shits in UU just fucking everything up.

The best part is that Disguise doesn't activate when he's hit on an immunity, which means you can switch in on one of his 3 fucking immunities for free and still have a free Protect.

>>29772107
>Better ability
>>29772358
>Unironincally suggesting Liquid Hyper Voice

The FUCK anons?

You do know that Liquid Hyper Voice is LITERALLY JUST A WORSE SURF?

>>29778496
>worse than surf
>same BP
>same accuracy
>surf has 5 more PP
>liquid hyper voice gets around substitute

whatever you say anon. Not saying it's worth running, but it IS better than surf

>>29777237
I dont think you understand how talonflame worked at all

>>29778496
>>29778603
>arguing about this when scald exists

>>29778496
I bet you use Slash over Return because it crits more often.

>>29778648
>using scald
>for offense

>>29770593
How often are you going to run into pixilated hyper voices. You not going to stay in on the Pokemon that use it because of psychic. Mega grade is faster too and your not going to switch into them either. Bulletproof is the better option

>>29772059
>>29771912
that nigga has shell smash just so you guys know

>>29778747
>36 speed

shell smash doesn't matter

>>29778603
Anon, Throat Chop is a fucking thing now, and Soundproof Pokemon will just fucking laugh at you. There's no reason to run it.

>>29778648
That's a fair point.

>>29778656
You're just fucking retarded.

>>29778603
>>liquid hyper voice gets around substitute

I hope you're memeing on purpose and you didn't fall for it, because it doesn't.

Liquid Voice removes all Sound related properties from the move, making it purely Water type. So it still can't get past Substitute, and it can hit Soundproof pokemon.

Meaning that until Primarina gets Boomburst, it's HA is actually one of the worst abilities in the game.

>>29778475
Does Disguise wear off for the rest of the match once it activates or can it be used again upon switching Mimikyu out and bringing him back again?

>>29778874
can i get a source on that
also there are way worse abilities
not even putting liquid voice in top 20 worst abilities

>>29778827
This, why are the speed stats so shit all around?

>>29778931
Once per battle. It's treated the same in the code as Zoroark's Illusion in that sense.

Honestly, if it was literally every time he swapped in he'd be OU. If he had U-Turn as well he'd be fucking broken.

>>29778934
This is no source since hes talking out of his ass.

>>29778874
>source: my asshole

>>29779003
cool thats why i asked
i figure its just primarina haters

>>29771625
poison jab, thankfully.
im just surprised it gets literally no physical steel moves

Does my mom's toucan learn anything else that uses skill link other than fury attack ?

>>29770125
didnt kommo-o have a signature move? where the fuck is it

>>29779134
Rock blast and bullet seed my man. It's in one of it's movesets from the E4 I believe.

>>29779175
I'm actually really starting to like this thing.

>>29779157
Clanging scales. 110 BP Special Dragon type move that lowers the user's defense.

>>29770102
>gen 7
>implying it can still be saved

>>29779474
Why the fuck is it special?

>>29779603
It isn't running up to you and beating you with its scales, anon.