>Gengar raped >Bravest Bird raped >Shit starters Sun

>Gengar raped
>Bravest Bird raped

These are good things

>>29760782
t. Smogonfag

>>29760782
you mean best?

What happened to Gengar?

Where can I see all these balance changes?

nerfing smogonbird was a good thing

>>29760859
They gave it Cursed Body instead of Levitate. I don't think there is any place you can read only the balance changes though.

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Wait, is it really a replacing levitate?
It's not a HA?

I fail to see how is that bad apart from shit starters

>>29760823
>>29760828
>implying Gengar was ever a problem

Meanwhile genies.

>>29760782
Yes.

>>29760782
the change for Gengar pains me, but boy am I glad that this annoying bird got nerfed. I'm getting my Lycancroc ready to kill every single one of them. Best Generation since Gen 5

>>29760782
>gengar's levitate removed
>mega-gengar never had levitate

>implying that talonflame being nerfed into oblivion is a bad thing
>implying that talonflame would be worth the shit from an ass even with old gale wings with all the abilities and moves they put in that completely cuck priority beyond recognition

>>29760782
What happened to Smogonbird?

>>29761175
gale wings only works at full health

>>29761254
F

>>29760782
Neither of the first two things are bad and the starters are only shit if you're a Smogonfag.

What's new about bravest bird?

>>29760782
>Poor Quagsire raped
>Ledian still fucked

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>>29761254

>>29761317
a common argument seems to be already "insert random OU Pokemon not in Alolan Dex" is going to annihilate "insert SM starter".
Good luck with your non Alolan Dex registered Pokemon to play the only metagame that matters to GF and Pokemon, VGC.

>>29761254
But why? There's a bunch of abilities that stop priority now.

>whimpods evo has the same ability but worded differently and affects both sides
>vikavolt is slow as fuck
>Starters are pretty decent now at least statwise but everything else is meh

I think I woke up in bizzaro world.

>>29761317
>the starters are only shit if you're a Smogonfag
They look like shit

Shit starters? In what way?

They're going to be great in VGC

>>29761489

Ebin.

>>29760782
Where are you from, op? You spell "best" weird.

>>29760823
>gengar
>bad

literal faggot spotted

>>29760782
>Sun & Moon confirmed worst Gen?

>can't save right in front of starter selection and have to watch 3 minute cutscene every soft reset
>can't see the pokemon's sex on the nickname screen
I don't know what they thought.

>>29760782
Competitive fags are the cancer killing Pokémon

>>29761621

without the competitive part it's just a child game. Are you a child, anon?

Tell me they raped that fucking piece of shit Excadrill too

I want to see that cuck last night cry salty tears

>>29761616
I think they thought it was funny to watch you degenerates struggle.

>>29760925
Speaking of which, didn't Arbok for buffed? Like, 50+ atk?

>>29761758
I just want a qt grill owl, why must gf make things difficult. Sucks for people that want to SR for a shiny too.

>>29761724
http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1478621572299.jpg

Nope. Excadrill is fine. The only "nerf" he got is that we have several new weather setters now, so he can't expect to keep Sandstream the whole time.

Not that it's that big a deal since he has fucking MOLD BREAKER anyways.

>>29760782
Hey now they made some shitmons better

I'm mixed on gengar since 1/3 prominate ground types in Ou already raped it

Bird nerf is nice, but man fuck these starters

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>>29761809
+10.

Dugtrio's OU now though.

>>29761812
Yeah, everyone is just gonna use pkhex on their hacked 3ds.

It's like they love to punish honest people.

>>29761483
Whimpod got a bug type Extremespeed that works like Fake Out.

>>29761903
Sweet jesus.

>>29761870
Don't forget the Stab boost for steel, new ability tangled hair and all the new resistances that come with it.

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>>29761870
>All these shitmons getting great abilities
>Pelliper can now take full accuracy thunders for free

>>29762022
Uh... no.

Regular Dugtrio is pure Ground, has 100 Atk and Arena Trap. Regular Dugtrio is CERTAINLY going to be OU.

Alolan Dugtrio doesn't have Arena Trap, and his strongest Steel Stab is fucking METAL CLAW.
Alolan Dugtrio will end up in RU.

>>29761724
If you mean that guy who complained about Dugtrio then sadly you won't see him cry since A-Dugtrio doesn't have Arena Trap either and won't bumfuck fairies like expected.

>>29762130
Pelliper can now hit with a fully accurate Hurricane.

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>>29761870
>Dugtrio with 100 base attack

>>29762204
Its stats are still shit.

>>29761870
link to this file?

>>29762150
But I don't wanna use old Pokemon.

Let me dream anon.

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>>29761870
Damn Swellow can take out the boombox now

Well guys, who does Gengar need to fear in the upcoming vgc metagame?
Apart from Alolan Dugtrio and Garchomp, no one is as fast as Gengar or possesses stab, so better calm the fuck down.

Smogon - no fucks given.

>>29762355
Earthquake

>>29762355
I of course meant in connection with Levitate being gone.
Apart from that everything stays the same, of course.

LINK TO BUFF/NERF LIST?

>>29762355
uhh... Groudon? The premier offensive threat of the game?

>>29761870
Holy Shit, Corsala just shot up to useable tier now that it has some decent defensive stats to work with its great movepool and abilities.

>galewings make completely useless instead of just more balanced
>gengar shat on for no real reason
>unaware shat on for no real reason
>meanwhile mega fug and all those broken megas aside from kang will be left untouched

how can one company fuck up so much?

>>29762557
Err, smogonfag detected.
VGC17 won't include Groudon btw, so in terms of matching speed and stab, apart from Garchomp and Alolan Dugtrio Gengar remains equally viable.

>>29762350

Swellow @ Choice Specs
>Boomburst
>Heat Wave
>Air Slash

Not great, but he's appreciative of the boost.

>>29762355
>What does Levitate loss REALLY mean?

He can't switch in as easily anymore, meaning he'll need to come in on resisted hits or after a KO.

He's affected by Spikes and Spider Web now.

He can't afford to stay in against anyone who may have a Ground Move as a damaging attack (Read: 1/3rd of all Physical Attackers), rendering his Sub/Disable set more or less useless.

In VGC specifically, you can no longer throw out Earthquakes with Gengar on your side, and your opponent doesn't need a special coverage move for Gengar anymore.

>>29762700
But does MGar at least still have Shadow Tag? Or was that changed to fucking Levitate?

>>29760782
you forgot
>Zygarde raped

>>29761870
>no old pokemon with dazzling/queenly majesty

literally one job

>>29762657
okay, so if it doesn't really affect his usefulness by getting rid of Levitate, then why did they need to change it at all?

>>29762875
How?

>>29762700
He still has Shadow Tag, but again, you can no longer switch Gengar in on your own or your opponent's EQ, and he's not going to enjoy getting smacked with Sticky Web anymore (Spikes is pretty much a non-factor in VGC).

>>29760782
gengar and talonflame deserved it

>>29762928
meant for
>>29762790

>>29762700
good points! Not happy with the Gengar nerf, but I guess its role will simply change to a classic switch in for Fairy types.
As an Earthquake partner in VGC I'd recommend actual birds (though weak to electric) or Mismagius.

>>29762890

Anyone who says it doesn't affect his usefulness is retarded. Not being able to fire off your own EQ's while Gengar's on your side is going to hurt Gengar's usage pretty bad.

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>>29760859

>>29760782
What happened to Talonflame?
And do we know if Gengar has a HA now or not?

>>29763115
Gale wings only works at full health.

>>29763218
I thought it was at half health?

>>29763012
lol is Earthquake with Gengar on your side the only way you play Pokemon?
Think of something new.

>>29762990
>its role will simply change to a classic switch in for Fairy types

Unlikely. 60/60/75 Defenses means he can NOT take a hit, even resisted - which is why having 3 immunities was so important to him. In VGC it's even worse - he needed that immunity to come in, as it was an immunity to the most common attack in the metagame. If he comes in on a resisted hit, he'll get hit with a Priority move or Sucker Punch the next turn and he'll basically be useless.

No, his only role from this point on in VGC will be revenge killer - expect several Specs and Scarf sets to show up before he gets dropped from most teams.

Has Speed Boost been raped too?

>>29763281
You basically just recommended him to not use Gengar now.

>>29763250
I could be wrong. Either way, it doesn't work unless the pokemon has some amount of HP left.

>>29763322
>has Speed Boost been raped too?

Nope, Blaziken is still going to stay Uber as fuck.

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>>29762150
You do know Alola trio gets iron head, right?
Not having arena trap is crap though, I'll give you that.

>>29760782
I want to see Gengar getting raped now.

>>29760907
If it lost levitate and one of its abilities is cursed body, what are the others?

>>29762790
Not usable in VGC regardless

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>>29761812
>SRing for starters
> not just using MM

>>29761870
What about gen 1 VC mons?

>>29762560
I love it. I've been praying for Corsola to useable for years.

Its not a premiere wall but its carved itself a niche as decent one with a million ways to recover

>>29763607
Their stats get recalculated as they get transferred.

Their IV's are changed ((Original IV x2) +1) as well.

>>29762560
>>29763795

Don't get TOO happy, Corsola is basically going to stay in PU forever until it gets an Evo that lets it use Evolite.

That said, at least it'll be useable in PU.

>>29760782
It's to early to tell. Wait until everyone gets a chance to play the game fully, and then determine.

>>29763888
You mean the worst gen thing or those guys getting fucked?

Cause all those guys got fucked pretty hard.

>>29761870
Delcatty buffed. Focus Sash + Protect, Sucker Punch and Play Rough. Cute Charm and Attract might be useful now. Damn it.

Literally shitty mons got buffed and fucking follow-like-sheep mons are now nerfed. This is actually amazing, SmogonFags on Suicide Watch only.

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Guys can you post the pic of pokemon in the game like from past gens because i know it was shown but i forgot

>>29761254
Wew lad

I mean its still fast as fuck but thats honestly ridiculous

>>29764258
The point before was that Talonflame beat the fuck out of Scarfers.

She can't do that anymore.

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>>29761870
>Drought torkoal
>Snow warning Vanilluxe

>>29761254
Can still tailwind, and roost back up to full on a prediction
I feel like lefties talonflame might pick up popularity

Whats Alolan Dugtrio's typing this could make or break the game for me.

>>29760782
It's going to be a fun gen for VGC, aka the best format.

>>29765215
Ground/Steel

I look at these stats, moves, and abilities and all I see is chaos.

>>29765215
Ground/Steel

It's worse than post buff vanilla Dugtrio and has to compete with Smogonmole without half the options Smogonmole has

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>>29762496
>>29762291
these?