FIRST SCREENCAP FROM SUNMOON FULL DATAMINE DECIDUEYE BASE STAT

>moves don't make contact
It's shit

>>29736344
Im so happy that the owl has turned out to be shit

>Still the fastest at 70 speed
Wew

>>29736344
>physical bulk is barely higher than sceptile's
>its not even fast to make up for it

RIP

>>29736344
Fancy

>>29736344
It's pretty bad.
With that HP, Def and Spd it's unlikely it will survive long enough to do anything, unless it happens to be against a purely special attacker that doesn't have anything Super Effective on it.

>>29736344
>It's in range for Choice Scarf
Ok that's all I needed to know. But what's up with that ability ?

>>29736450
So it won't get hurt from stuff like poison point and static.

>>29736344
Well it's immune to rough skin/rocky helmet I suppose

Well at least I can still use it in-game.

I'll probably just use Exeggutor instead. All of the starters have pretty bad downsides at this point.

>>29736494
It'll also deal with Bewear if it's an actual threat.

> HA means that moves don't make contact

> only 70 bp Sucker Punch and Brave Bird take advantage of HA

> what the fuck did you do GameFreak

Why does popplio get the best ability of the three

>>29736396
> garbage slow mixed attacker.
> incineroar loses booty speed for subpar defenses
> popplio has ass defense and hp despite gr8 special stats
why did GameFreak /gen5/ our starters again
for what reason?

>>29736344
>76 hp
Fake and gay

>>29736573
That ability sucks without Boomburst, which it won't get.

Liquid voice
>All sound moves become water type

Does this mean the -iate abilities will receive a similar nerf?

>>29736573
That ability is garbage, what are you smoking

>>29736344
>its highest stat is a piddly 107 attack
Is this the lowest top stat for any pokemon since gen 1? Holy fuck redditowl looks more and more pathetic every passing minute

>>29736344
Immune to Flame Body, Static, Iron Barbs, Rocky Helmet and Chesnaught. Might be some others but can't recall right now.

Sounds decent to me.

>>29736573
If there's no damage boost it's shit. Also I wonder what it does with Sparkling Aria.

>>29736573
Popolio doesn't even get any moves to abuse it besides hyper voice and has scald as a better water move anyway.

>that shitty ass HA

JUST

>>29736694
have you seen other starters? they are all pathetic

Where do people get these screens/info from? Is there a public file or document? Alternately could someone post info on alolan Vulpix/Ninetales? I am on my work computer and I can't download anything.

>>29736778
This guy is doing some datamining, following his twitter as he slowly posts info is the best we can do

>>29736588
At least only one of the starters has an atrocious design this time instead of all three.

>>29736344

Were it's moves leaked as well? The other two have their moves posted, but I can't find Decidueye's.

>>29736778
>>29736870
Whoops
https://twitter.com/SciresM?lang=en

>>29736344
It's HA is shit because LITERALLY the only things it would need that on are things that it shouldn't be fighting anyway like Garchomp, Skarm, Ferro, etc

>>29736749
>not getting poked by static, flame body, poison point
>shitty

To summarize;
>Decidueye gets Leaf Blade, Energy Ball, Grass Knot, Spirit Shackle, Shadow Claw, and Shadow Ball for STAB
>gets Brave Bird, Steel Wing, Low Sweep, and Acrobatics for coverage
>gets Sucker Punch, U-turn, and Smack Down for offensive utility
>gets Curse, Baton Pass, Defog, and Synthesis for defensive utility
>gets Work Up, Swords Dance, and Nasty Plot for boosting

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>>29736935
There's literally only one good pokemon with one of those abilities and it's Zapdos.

>>29736973
>Incineroar gets Flare Blitz, Darkest Lariat, Crunch, Throat Chop, and Brutal Swing for STAB
>gets Leech Life, Acrobatics, Shadow Claw, Cross Chop, Brick Break, and Earthquake for coverage
>gets Fake Out and U-turn for offensive utility
>gets Will-O-Wisp for defensive utility
>gets Work Up, Bulk Up, Swords Dance, and Nasty Plot for boosting

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>>29736998
Also Rough Skin.

>>29737022
>Primarina gets Surf, Hydro Pump, Scald, Sparkling Aria, Moonblast, Dazzling Gleam, and Hyper Voice* for STAB
>gets Ice Beam, Blizzard, Psychic, Shadow Ball, and Energy Ball for coverage
>gets Aqua Jet for offensive utility
>gets Aqua Ring and Perish Song for defensive utility
>gets Work Up for boosting

Thoughts?

>>29736870
>>29736912
Much appreciated!

>>29736921
Switching exists.

>>29736935
or iron barbs or rocky helmet

>>29736973
thats some god awful coverage
its like a slightly worse version of leafeon

>>29736973
If spirit shackle keeps the pokemon trapped even if you switch out decidueye then he's saved from oblivion.

>>29736588
Gamefreak probably thinks making badmons will weaken the meta without realizing people are entirely willing just to not use any of them.

>>29737053
Not a competitivefag, but
>>29736973
That sounds really good to me. I could get behind Curse/Synthesis.
>>29737022
Weird that it doesn't get Sucker Punch, but it's not bad at all. dat Leech Life doe.
>>29737053
Yeah that's about what I expected, really. Or not surprised by it, I should say.

>>29736973
>curse for defensive utility
>curse
>ghost pokemon

>>29737316
>Curse/Synthesis.
sorry but its a ghost type, its the other curse

>>29737358
>Curse a wall
>watch them squirm
It's pretty much a lite Taunt

>>29737358
oh shit, right. Maybe not on the Curse/Synthesis thing then.

>that wasted 100 SpA
>that lukewarm "too fast for trickroom too slow for anything else" speed
>that dogshit HA

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>29736973
>non-existant coverage
>will have to run utility to squeeze any use out of it
>even then it'll be a shit defogger because it's susceptible to all forms of entry hazards because no flying type

Holy shit how will owlfags ever recover?

http://www.strawpoll.me/11601391/

Are there any competitive applications for Decidueye's HA?

>>29736344
HA seems situational, kind of like Bulletproof.

>>29737526
Leaf Blade doesn't trigger Rocky Helmet or Garchom's Rough Skin

that's literally it

>>29737526
If, by some miracle, it shackles Ferrothorn in with itself, Ferro basically can't do shit to it

.......nothing else comes to mind

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I am extremely shit at pokemon but I can say without a shadow of doubt that decidueye will be OU on the basis that /vp/ is literally never right when it comes to judge a pokemon.

>>29736344
Why do they rip such boring technical stuff, instead of ripping the game text and the graphics?

Because "Hurr durr we don't want to give plot spoilers"? Come on, nobody forces anyone to read that stuff. People who don't want spoilers stay away of leaks anyway.

>>29736475
And effect spore, mummy, rough skins, Rocky helmets etc

>>29738402
With that stat spread? With that HA? With that movepool?

Nah familia

>>29738402
Eh, I'm thinking probably UU at best, possibly RU depending on the stats and moves of the other new pokemon.

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>>29736344
Mmmmm. If this is legit, when do they learn their signature moves?

Alright let's look at coverage. also thanks anon; good info there

>>29736973
>grass (leaf blade)
>ghost (spirit shackle)
>flying (brave bird/acrobatics)
>steel (steel wing)
>bug (u-turn)
>dark (sucker punch)
>fighting (only 65 BP though)

holy shit its Sp.Att is completely pointless. It learns nothing on the special side

>>29737022
>dark
>fire
>fighting (cross-chop/brick break)
>dragon (outrage)
>ground (earthquake)
>bug (leech life)
>flying (acrobatics)
>ghost (shadow claw)

>>29737053
>water
>fairy (moon blast)
>ice
>psychic (psychic)
>ghost (shadow ball)
>grass (energy ball)

>>29739496

there's surprisingly a lot of coverage here.

I just wish they weren't so slow.

Looks like my owl will have a +Speed Nature and also buff up it's Attack.

Full Glass Cannon, here we go.

>>29738412

>All sound-based moves become Water-type moves

so, basically Hyper Voice replaces surf?

Wow, it's fucking nothing.

>>29736900
Agreed. Primarina's design is the worst.

>>29739910

They have the exact same power (assuming Liquid Voice doesn't boost it like -ate does), but one goes through Subs.

So Hyper Voice is better.

Is my boy Vikavolt any good?

>>29738356
>60 base speed
You fucking what?

>>29736344
At least he;s still better then the other two furbait mons they're calling starters.

>>29738707

I would assume upon evolution like the starters from Gen 6.

>>29740036

I don't think you know what furbait means

Neither Incineroar nor Primarina qualify as furbait

>>29740194
Doesn't matter. They're furbait, furtrash, furshit.
It doesn't matter what kind of furry they are.
Both worse then Robinhoot and no ones trying to sexual him.
I count that as a win.

>>29738412
will it get boom burst?

>>29740267
>no ones trying to sexual him
>"M-m-master, your arrow is so big."

Fuckin' kek. Where the fuck have you been or are you really this retarded?

Where are the leaks coming from?
Any links?

That SpA can only mean that the HA makes all physical attacks into special.

Glorious, glorious

>>29740568
How retarded are you that you think a joke equals sexual. No one is waifuing or husbandoing the owl.

>>29740609
Probably someone on YouTube but nobody will post the link since we wuzn't there, maaaaan.

>>29740609
>>29740690

Open wide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wns5m7yA2CM&feature=youtu.be

>>29741022
I already found that. I'm looking for where people found that picture of Colress in Alola, UB battles, Lunaala stats, etc.

>>29741055
Colress was from here

https://twitter.com/ShinyQuagsire/with_replies

>>29736700
Immune to fucking KING'S SHIELD!!!!!

>Primarina
>87.5/12.5

ebin
just ebin

>>29737251
> "hey senpai what should we do about the mascots or generation 7 during the 20th anniversary stats?"
> "Give them all garbage stats that make serperior/emboar/samurott look usable"
> BRILLIANT SIR!
i hate gamefreak so goddamn much

>>29739943
UNDERRATED

>>29739964
> Normal-type moves become Fairy-type moves.

> All sound based moves become water-type moves

Same wording. Liquid sound WILL boost hyper voice. This is a great ability.

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>>29741594
>actually thinking they would change the ratio when Braixen exists
You fags never stop making me laugh.

>>29736573
>>29736610
>>29736677
>>29736721
>>29736730
If this does boost moves by 1.3x like every other ability of it's type, Primarina will be able to throw off a slightly stronger STAB Hydro Pump with 100% accuracy using Hyper Voice.

Base 117 water move after boost.
Base 175 after STAB.

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He looks evil

>>29741894
Sounds like a more specific Normalize for Water-typing if you ask me. But they may well change that to have a power boost to moves this gen as well. iirc, it didn't before.

>>29736344
>Long reach means that it can use physical moves without contact damage
>Still has an unnecessarily high Sp.Atk stat
For what purpose. Does it even learn Petal dance?

>>29737179
Yup, just Baton Pass Spirit Shackle's effect to another Pokemon.

>>29742256
The fuck happened to him? All he needs is an eye patch.

>>29742256
he looks pretty
i ... i mean pretty evil

>>29740657
Wut. There's been tons of threads with porn for it. It's just as sexualized as any other Pokemon.

>>29742256
He successfully saturated the world with urobros and is taking a vacation

>>29739943
You mean Decidueye.

>>29737625
Ferrothorn will smash any Decidueye 1 on 1 unless some idiot made a tauntbait Ferro.

>>29742529
Do we know what TMs it learns?

So wait. Incineroar can learn Throat Chop through the move relearner, but neither Decidueye nor Primarina can learn Laser Shot or Aurora Veil respectively. So where are they?

>>29738646
It's dropping straight to PU.

>>29740643
AHAHAHAHAHA

>>29742138
>Normalize
It's also not the same as the others, it's not converting all X type into X type, it's sound moves specifically.

>torracat is base 90 speed
>incineroar is 60
what the fuck were they thinking

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>mfw owl owl won the starterb owl

>>29744024
Not hating on the other starters, but essentially. Torracat's got great attack, but that speed and those defenses means he's most likely not going to able to use it. And he's weak to Fighting, Ground, Rock and Water. Some of the most common offensive types.

>>29742529
via level up it learns NOTHING special. Not a single move.

Special TMs it can learn (ignoring shitty ones):
>shadow ball
>hidden power
>solar beam

Special tutors:
>Grass pledge

Outside of hidden power its special stat is entirely wasted

>>29737358
>spirit shackle so they can't switch
>curse
Uh oh guys

>>29744543
Maybe his HA actually does make all physical special moves too? Otherwise this seems like one of their weirdest decisions yet.

>>29744024
Only one who will ever be usable outside of ingame is transvestite seal. Owl got made by that one GameFreak employee who's obsessed with slow, frail mixed attackers.