>WHAAAAAAAAAH! STALL IS CANCER! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAH! FUCK THE

>>29599342
because nearly everyone on this board is autistic

>>29599342
Because the ones who make the threads are the ones inclined to complain, i.e. the people who dislike them are the more vocal.

>stall
Nigga just use Crawdaunt.

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 136 Def Amoonguss: 585-689 (135.4 - 159.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 304-359 (91 - 107.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Crabhammer vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 707-834 (110.1 - 129.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 562-663 (142.6 - 168.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 1019-1201 (263.9 - 311.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 330-390 (108.5 - 128.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Crabhammer vs. 248 HP / 204 Def Eviolite Porygon2: 317-374 (84.9 - 100.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Doublade: 489-577 (151.8 - 179.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tangrowth: 426-504 (105.4 - 124.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 36 HP / 220 Def Alomomola: 489-577 (101.8 - 120.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Landorus-T: 624-738 (163.3 - 193.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Aqua Jet vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Landorus-T: 255-302 (66.7 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 348-411 (98.8 - 116.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

>>29599426
>+2
>dark type
>slow

>>29599426
Except Crawdaunt is frail, slow, and has to get the boost to actually do that, so no.

>>29599426
This nigger gets it. Smogon is a shit-tier meta which thinks it's sorted out the complexity of everything when in reality everything in it can be OHKO by a +2 Crawdaunt

>>29599464
One free turn and it's over.
Dark is among the best attacking types.
Jolly 252 outspeeds literally everything listed there.

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Because competitive is a fucking joke. Not just pokemon, but competitive anything.

The people who are obsessed with competitive pokemon think it's the hardest shit ever when in reality it's not at all if you have any basic understanding of type match ups, priority, and number crunching.

My argument against competitive games:
pic related

>>29599426
Nice job conveniently omitting Unaware Quagsire and Clefaggot, you stupid retarded idiot

i'll call you a stutardiot for short, you stutardiot

competitive went to shit when it turned into stealth rock spam so sweepers could 2hko everything

>>29599551
You have 5 other slots to fill, both Quag and Clefable fall to offensive M-Venu.

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how do we fix stealth rock?

>>29599628
competitive turned to shit when Sabeleye got a Mega

>>29599426
Too bad crawdaunt is slow as dick and has 5 suspiciously conspicuous weaknesses and no bulk at all

might as well convince people that rampardos is anti-stall

>>29599720
Why does it matter if it's generally slow when it's got enough speed to be faster than anything listed there?

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>banning evasion
>When serene grace,scald,t-wave are rampantly used in many metagames
>Stealth rock being so good that weak types suffer more than they already do
>Stupid bans (e. Grenigger without Protean and blaziken without speed boost are still banned)
The Tiers are mostly fine tho.
Even with all the flaws and weird trimming, smogon is sadly still one of the best rulesets

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>>29599342
M-Sableye is objectively the best lead in OU. When there's a default best lead 'mon, you know competitive is in a shit spot. All of the top ELO players use stall, nothing else is remotely as viable, it's not fun and it's not diverse, it's smogon.

>>29599654
Nerf stealth rock, nerf mega zard. Everyone is happy.

>>29599817
Literally none of what you said is true. Every sentence.

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>>29599654
why nerf something that isn't broken?

>wah-posting

you're not making you're point seem more reasonable by spamming caps lock

>>29599887
>t. >1500 faggot
Except it is. Literally everything I said is true, every word.

>>29599887
what do you lead with vs sableye?

>>29599795
>When serene grace,scald,t-wave are rampantly used in many metagames
Serene grace is really not that big of a deal. The only mons in OU that have it are Jirachi and Chansey, and Chansey will never use it anyway. You're right about yellow magic and scald though.
>Stealth rock being so good that weak types suffer more than they already do
Some pokemon do well even with a weakness to stealth rock, like Talonflame and Zard-Y. Besides, like OP said, it make stall less powerful.
>Stupid bans (e. Grenigger without Protean and blaziken without speed boost are still banned)
Smogon doesn't like complex bans. If you started doing that, it would just open a slippery slope of people wanting to ban a certain moveset for a pokemon, with a different moveset being in another tier. I think you can understand why that would be a problem.

Smogon's not perfect, but it's nowhere near as bad as some say it is.

>>29599952
You lead with citizen snips obviously.

>>29599987
>hypnogravity clause

>>29599997
>Will-O-Wisp
are you retarded or just pretending?

>>29599931
Thanks, I am that high. But sadly no, you aren't.

>>29599952
Your status absorber or burn immunity of choice.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-316085846
52-turn game I played. My last 4 games on this account were vs. stall. I won every one.

>>29599952
let's hope M-sableye gets banned soon, It's ridiculous how good of a wall it is

>>29599931
Except he is right, you're the shitty sub-1500s player. Don't comment unless you've played top ladder.

>>29599952
Volcanion, Keldeo, Any Zard, Lopunny

>>29600148
>Rest
>Sleep Talk

>>29600099
That's not a thing.

>>29600202
Oh, and I forgot about Clefable, Gardevoir and Heatran

>>29600176
>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-316085846
That Solar Beam on the Protect must have been so fucking satisfying.

>>29599426
in what world do you live in where you have both have Stealth Rock down and time to setup on something as frail and slow and generally shit as Crawdaunt? You're listing nothing but best case scenarios right down to the EV spreads. He will die to a single mach punch, or get his life orb knocked off, or be burned, long before he gets a single crabhammer off.

>>29600257
That's your opinion

>>29600176
Why would you sack your Keldeo like that to the Skarmory if it is calm mind, that was a shit play. Keldeo 6-0'd his team.

>>29599987
It's less of a smogon problem than the actual state of the fame itself. Pokemon isnt cut out to be a competetive game.
"This turn lets me win, I have predicted well"-*crit*
>No Stealth "insert typing here" or nerfing Stealth rock

>>29600202
>Volcanion, Keldeo, Any Zard, Lopunny
lmao these are terrible vs Sableye, all of them will get stealth rock set up on them, and with the exception of Charizard can easily be burned (I'm not even going to acknowledge the fact you listed Volcanion, lmao), in Charizard's case he's already dead b/c sneaky pebbles are down and he won't manage to do shit vs Sableye unless he is Charizard-Y, which is both predictable and trash.
>>29600202
>Except he is right, you're the shitty sub-1500s player. Don't comment unless you've played top ladder.
You're not fooling anyone anon.

>>29600233
So, I just need a Crawdaunt with Swords Dance, Knock Off, Aqua Jet, Crabhammer, Stealth Rock, Rest, Sleep Talk, and Dragon Dance, and it can work. Sounds good anon.

>>29600379
>Sableye
>get stealth rocks up
Do you even know Sableye's moveset retard?

>Volcanion, lmao
Volcanion is a great pokemon, if you disregard it you are shit. It breaks lots of teams to pieces and required a significant shift in the meta to combat.

>Lead
>Stealth Rock up with Charizard
Again, are you retarded?

>You're not fooling anyone
Right now with about 500 or so battles I have 80% GXE and 1700s ranking. On my alt I have easily achieved top 50 in OU before. You are probably some dumb 1300s shitter. I will provide proof if necessary but honestly just shut the fuck up.

>>29600299
Yeah that's why I made that my last game on that alt. Helps fetch this replay easier.

>>29600331
1. Because it's not Calm Mind.
2. He had an Amoonguss.
3. Keldeo was expendable after Chansey was down.

>>29600417
Citizen Snips is drapion you dirty fucking mexican
>Acupressure
>Knock Off
>Rest
>Sleep Talk
It works every time, trust me :^)
Has that bulk going for it

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>>29600379
>all of them will get stealth rock set up on them
pic related
>can easily be burned
252 Atk Mega Lopunny Fake Out vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 42-51 (13.8 - 16.7%) -- possible 6HKO
252 Atk Mega Lopunny High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 270-320 (88.8 - 105.2%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

>>29600470
Were you like that trashy rest Keldeo set then...and anyways Keldeo with CM can barrel through Amoonguss once it gets to +2. Not to mention burn racking up.

>>29600176
>Your status absorber or burn immunity of choice.
>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-316085846
>52-turn game I played. My last 4 games on this account were vs. stall. I won every one.
>actually thinking its worth linking a replay against someone who uses Alomomola
seemslegit

I stopped watching after he used Fake Out on your Keldeo...so turn 1.

>>29600529
>I stopped watching after he used Fake Out
Why? That's a very common move on mega Sableye on stall teams. It lets Sableye mega evolve safely, even against Fairy-type leads, and aids in scouting and racking up status damage.

>>29599887
Literally every top 10 ELO player uses almost the same team and they are all stall based, anyone can easily look this up so why are you even talking faggot?

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>>29600302
>both have Stealth Rock down and time to setup
If SR are down then they must remove them asap, giving you a free turn, notice most of those are not even taking SR into account.
> on something as frail and slow and generally shit as Crawdaunt
Yeah it's frail, that's a given. It's got enough speed to be faster than everything listed there, go calc. And Crawdaunt is UU, UU pokemon are not shit, they just don't see enough usage.
>You're listing nothing but best case scenarios right down to the EV spreads
Those spreads are literally the standards sets on smogon. Obviously I did not post things like Scarf Lando because that's obviously going to KO it with a single glare.
>>29600302
>He will die to a single mach punch, or get his life orb knocked off, or be burned, long before he gets a single crabhammer off.
>Crawdaunt is the only member of the team and needs to take down everything by itself
>staying on a mach punch user
>not bringing Crawdaunt after a faint or a slow U-Turn/Volt Switch

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>>29600594
He should have gone for the Burn on the Keldeo, who would obviously expect the Fake Out.
>muh 4% dmg

>>29599342
There's nothing wrong with a bit of stall every once in a while.

>>29600379
you give anti-stall faggots a bad name

>>29600302
Also check out the other guy's replay, literally, LITERALLY everything on that team would get anally raped by Crawdaunt.

>>29600294
>Gardevoir
Super underrated, I don't Mega-Evolve mine initially and usually manage to synchronize a burn or toxic on dumb cunts

>>29600519
>once it gets to +2
>your whole criticism is based on the opponent being an idiot

And no, it's Taunt + Icy Wind.

>>29600529
More skepticism will fall on you than on me, so ok.

>>29600600
Because if you actually looked it up you'd see it isn't just stall, while the person I replied to said all the top players use stall. We literally just went about a week or more where the top person had ran a balance team.

>>29600758
>We
Oh. I see.

>>29600794
What?

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>>29600758
>>>29600600 (You)
>Because if you actually looked it up you'd see it isn't just stall, while the person I replied to said all the top players use stall. We literally just went about a week or more where the top person had ran a balance team.
If you say so. I don't check it regularly anymore, but even if what you say is true it's an outlier.

>>29600257
Yes it is.
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/doubles/

>>29600758
>the opponent being an idiot
He's a stall player.

>>29600864
I check it regularly so I can say it's not an outlier. It was LT6L Metagurosu who, like I said, was up there for over a week, probably over 2 weeks but I don't time these things. He used Mega Lopunny Sand Balance.

>>29600927
>He's a stall player.
Please don't say that, he clearly played like shit and was using a cookie cutter team that he put no thought or effort into. This person isn't a anything, just a moron.

>>29599502
Crawdaunt is great against stall but dead weight against a lot of other team types. There's a reason it's UU.

>>29599548
I expect to see you at the top of OU ladder and at VGC Masters 2017, then

>>29600890
I stand corrected.

>>29600864
2.Balance
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oususpecttest-467630291
3. Sand Balance
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-468203362
4. Stall
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-468172790
5. HO
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-457539863
6. Bulky offense
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-466299351
7. Balance
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-466221491
8. HO with Suicune lol
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oususpecttest-465216765
9. HO
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-466087046
10. Retarded balance
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-467972781

Yea, no.

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>>29600948
>4-5/6ths of the team Stall oriented
>not a stall team
anon, I...

>Turn 6
Amoonguss, come back!
Go! Clefable!
The opposing Diancie used Moonblast!
Clefable lost 48% of its health!
Clefable's Special Attack fell!
Clefable restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 7
The opposing Diancie used Moonblast!
Clefable lost 48% of its health!
Clefable used Soft-Boiled!
Clefable restored its HP.
Clefable restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 8
The opposing Diancie used Moonblast!
Clefable lost 56% of its health!
Clefable's Special Attack fell!
Clefable used Soft-Boiled!
Clefable restored its HP.
Clefable restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 9
The opposing Diancie used Moonblast!
Clefable lost 53% of its health!
Clefable's Special Attack fell!
Clefable used Soft-Boiled!
Clefable restored its HP.
Clefable restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 10
The opposing Diancie used Moonblast!
Clefable lost 55% of its health!
Clefable used Soft-Boiled!
Clefable restored its HP.
Clefable restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 11
The opposing Diancie used Moonblast!
Clefable lost 53% of its health!
Clefable used Soft-Boiled!
Clefable restored its HP.
Clefable restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 12
The opposing Diancie used Moonblast!
Clefable lost 53% of its health!

>>29601113
There is an Excadrill, a Lopunny and a Tyranitar on there. Unless he is running some wack non-choiced Ttar (unlikely on top ladder), it is either scarfed or banded.

That is a balance team.

>>29601113
It's literally sorted into top half offense bottom half defense. How delusional are you?

>>29600890
Why though? Sleep has nothing to do with Gravity.

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>>29601180
I don't agree but ok. What would your criteria for a Stall team be? 6 bulky mons all with SR?

>>29601244
Not that anon but 5-6 walls who try to deal as much chip damage as possible. If running 5 then the last Pokemon should be a trapping revenge killer to take out any wallbreakers.

>>29601224
>How delusional are you?
>>29601244
>I don't agree but ok.

So you're THAT delusional.

>>29601296
That's sill because a good stall team always needs a small amount of flexibility. It's bullshit imo to say Ttar isn't a stallmon since he enables others and is himself bulky while producing chip damage via weather.

>>29599502
Do you realize most smogon users actually use crawdaunt and even recommended it as early as XY as a way to shit on mega Venusaur stall?

Your ignorance is amusing.

>>29601349
I asked what you thought a Stall team would be precisely to make the point your criteria are stupid and unrealistic and actively look to excuse teams that are stall oriented as not, simply because they have Pokemon that enable stall indirectly rather than directly. It's not hard to understand, unless you have an agenda that won't let you.

>>29601237
No, but Gravity has to do with Accuracy.

>>29599426
That's stupid, crawdaunt getting an SD is like people letting a Butterfree get 2 quiver dances. It just doesn't happen.

Just use choice band and stop pretending this is a sweeper, crawdaunt appreciates the immediate power way more than a set up move.

>>29601382
You're not talking to >>29601180, you're talking to someone else. I am >>29601180.

Stall is 5 mons that are assembled to resist the majority of the tier and establish chip damage over time while preventing opponents from chipping them. The sixth may also be something like that or a trapper/sweeper.

>>29599342
4chan has always been trash when it comes to competitive. I used to play smash and my god the casual elitists here were atrocious.

Mind, I'm not familiar with the current state of smogon. Things were reasonable back during gen 4.

>>29601467
It doesn't matter, my point remains T-tar is a stall 'mon there as I explained, so is Amoonguss, so is Skarmory, so is Clefable. And you say that isn't a Stall team? Ridiculous imo.

>>29601510
Ttar is not a stall mon, that is ridiculous. Ttar does not have good recovery and hardly walls many things for very long. It functions as a support mon regardless and a wallbreaker/sweeper (banded/scarfed, respectively). It can also trap as well.

Balance is effectively made of bulky support mons with offensive power mons, so yes, it fits the definition of balance perfectly. Lopunny is not a stallmon. Excadrill is not a stall mon. Tyranitar is not a stall mon. If you continue to claim this you know little of the ORAS meta.

>>29601503
>4chan has always been trash when it comes to competitive

This, I went on a 4chan TF2 server and it was like playing children.

Reddit is actually much better for finding actually good players

>>29601510
Ttar is a staple on many teams not just stall, he I one of the Kings of role compression.

He isn't there to cause chip damage, he is there to remove common Defoggers and make the opponent lose a win con.

That ain't stall bro.

>>29601666
>he is there to remove common Defoggers and make the opponent lose a win con
Otherwise known as a trapper Satan

>>29601382
Tyranitar plays offensively.

Balance is part offensive part defensive or defensively built with offensive capability.

The only way you could be this stupid is you just don't know the terms but still want your 2 cents in.

>>29601510
Holy shit, you really are delusional. Tyranitar is not a stall mon. It can make a cameo on stall teams like Weavile or Gothitelle to get rid of stallbreakers, but that doesn't make those mons themselves stall.

5-6 offensive is HO
3-4 offensive is generally balance
2 offensive is semi-stall
0-1 offensive is stall

because barely anyone here actually plays competitive. these are the same people who thought Serperior getting Contrary would just bump it to RU at best and think that Eevee's Z move will actually make it good.

>>29601713
>5-6 offensive is HO
Can also be bulky offense

>>29601751
Yeah that too.

>>29601703
It ain't gothitrap, he is just the latios stalker.

Jokes aside Ttar is not a stall staple, it's offensive abilities and chances of switching in on some mons and destroying them completely is valuable on several playstyles. Ttar can visit the Stall Motel, but it's only a one night stand, Ttar is the belle of the office and she will enjoy one night stands with his coworkers bulky offense and HO every once in a while, heck she will probably NTR Hazard offense if she drinks chopple Berry juice after work, but most of the time you will find Ttar fooling around at boss balance pool while she wears just a scarf to appease boss Balance kinks.

>>29600365
Would things like Stealth Thorn or Stealth Icicle actually lead to a healthier meta?

>>29602134
If you could only have one kind of that hazard up at a time.

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>Smogon
>Competitive

I have yet to see any sanctioned tournaments use their rulesets.

Why do the people who play Nintendo games always get into such autistic fits when people try to play a game their own way?

>>29602172
I have yet to see you stop sucking cocks you piece of shit

>>29602172
I have yet to see you post from a computer and not a phone

>>29602134
Not sure if healthier but it'd fuck shit up like crazy.

>>29602134
Stealth Icicle or an Ice-type Pursuit would shake things up admirably.

>>29602172
Remind me why you need a sanctioned tournament using its rulesets in order to consider it competitive play.

>>29601110
which is the most sexual playstyle?

>>29602426
The best joke I can think of is PP stall. I'm so sorry

>>29602426
Stall if you're into orgasm denial.
HO if you're into rape fantasies.

>>29601110
>7. Balance
>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-466221491

What even was going on here? There was one part where they just spammed sleep talk and calm mind, what were they trying to predict?

>>29601110
>2.Balance
>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oususpecttest-467630291
>Lava Plume doesn't kill
>dude forfeits
what
And holy shit, I didn't know people still used suicide lead Azelf.

>>29603194
Suicide lead Azelf resurfaced because of a meme team literally everybody now knows how to play against yet people still use it.

>>29599515
>and won't KO shit without being adamant

>>29601110
>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-468172790
>182 turns
>17 of them spent spamming Fake Out
>nothing fainted
>and then someone just disconnects
Dear fuck

>>29603464
>didn't even read the calcs
Those are all Jolly.

>>29599342
Way to post mauturely and intellectually!

kys, bitch niqqa

>>29603471
I'm more irked about Lizardons not removing rocks early.

>>29599426
>crabhammer

>>29603868
It doesn't learn waterfall.

>>29599502

I don't think you get it anon. Smogon users ARE using crawdaunt. It's usage has actually risen drastically

>>29599551
>quagsire

oddish used absorb

>>29603881
>not getting the crabhammer meme

>>29603947
We ain't talking about mew tho.

>>29603894
>Adaptability hyper-buffed Knock Off
It isn't too surprising. Not that I still have any idea what caused GameFreak to buff the fuck out of KO.

>>29604032
the power buff to 65 indicates it was because of technician abuse (like with low sweep) but there weren't even any dark-type technician users until alolan persian

>>29604032
They probably wanted to keep Aegislash in check but in the end all the knock off buff did was fuck the game upside down much like Aegislash.

>>29604303
There was no Technician abuse before the buff because Knock Off had all of 20 fucking BP before all that. It was almost like there was a reason for that, but nope let's make it strong and even stronger when it takes an item off

>>29603947

The only one who doesn't get the meme is you, apparently.

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Competitive is broken because Gen 6 had terrible balance. The top players in all the official tourneys use teams that are 90% identical, so it's not just Smogon. Knock Off and Scald need to be nerfed. Hopefully there will be something to counter the genies in SM too.

Here's a kekworthy replay for you all: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-420843870

>>29605691
What's up with her arm?

>>29605691
>genies
Do you mean the Tapu or is that a derogatory term for faeries?

Although I guess the Tapu ARE faeries...

>>29599342

/vp/ is bad at video games.

/vp/ got trashed by a weeb football player running a Moxiekrow set.

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>>29605867
How new are you

>>29605934
I spend more time here then I care to admit and i've not seen the term used once. Unless i'm reading it wrong and it's gen.

>>29605770
That's not her arm.
it's her benis

>>29605867
Landorus, Thundurus, and Tornadus

>>29605691
Eat shit dragon fag. Been playing comp since gen 3, shit has literally always been this bad.

>>29606018
What do they have to do with genies?

>>29606080
Gen 4 was godly tho

>>29606121
>Dude, Garchomp, lmao the meta
Nah thanks

>>29606170
Oh shit I remember
>run Adamant Chomp
>lose every battle because it always ends in speed tie
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>29604371
>much
It wasn't about aegislash, crawdaunt is one of the few wallbreakers that could reliably break through quagsire, Clefable and mega Venusaur, he got a bit of usage after aegislash ban.

He is now resurfacing without aegislash.

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>>29606080
>I'm a dragonfag because I said Scald and Knock Off should be nerfed
Um, ok... Give me one good reason why Scald should have a higher burn rate than Flamethrower. At least things like Tauros, Weezing, and Suicune were still viable in Gen 3.

>>29606084
Because that's what they are... That's like asking what does Zapdos have to do with birds.

>>29606121
>mfw Smogon banned Garchomp because they couldn't beat it

>>29606288
I thought they were Marios.

>>29599502
>boost
>die before you can hit anything

>>29599548
Meanwhile in Korea
>PACHIRISU MOTHERFUCKERS!

Maybe the Koreans just have better imagination with this kind of things.

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>>29606288
>mfw Smogon banned Garchomp because they couldn't beat it

Don't forget that Shadow Tag Wobuffet (You know, the COMMON one) is also banned to Ubers only.

They are currently working on banning Sablenite/Mega Sable to Ubers as well because BAWWW MAGIC BOUUUUNCEEEE BAAAWWW!

>>29600612
>If SR are down then they must remove them asap, giving you a free turn, notice most of those are not even taking SR into account.
okay
>use SR
>opponent does whatever
>switch to Crawdaunt
>opponent uses Spin/Defog because who doesn't lead with something that can clear hazards?
>boost
>opponent uses wow/knock off/whirlwind/fucking anything that hits for neutral or greater

>>29606412
DESU I'm surprised they would suspect M-Sableye since they normally just ban everything that threatens muh stall.

>>29606503
Actually they got tired of all the stall so they are doing "suspect" with an insane requirement to actually get in. Only to most fedora-tipping of fedora tippers can get in.

It's basically an outright ban pretending to be a suspect test.

>>29606547
>insane requirement to actually get in
Only if you are a scrub with under 80% GXE

>>29599987
Yeah, pretend Togekiss doesn't exist.

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>>29606594
>Only if you are a scrub with under 80% GXE

You're kidding, right? Please be joking here about having a 8 out of ten win streak for 70 games straight.

>>29601426
It isn't a sweeper you ducked. It's a wallbreaker.

>>29599342
Why do smogon kiddies think their format is competitive?
It's not official, it's not competitive. Out you go. It's done for nothing more than a pointless rank on the internet that will never, ever matter.

>>29606618
It's so shitters like you can't come in and influence the vote with your awful opinions.

>>29606618
It's not that difficult, anon. Perhaps you're just bad?

>>29606617
Togekiss is BL, not OU.

>>29606724
>>29606742
(you)

>>29606754
Nice memay! That sure showed how impressive your winrate is!

>>29606754
>they called me out on my shit, better give them a (you) since I don't know how else I can reply so labeling them bait will save me here

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>>29606618
Not yet but GXE doesn't depend on winning x out of y games, it depends on winning against players that are higher up consistently

>>29606404
And the fact that so many people still think that guy used Pachirisu because it's "his bro" never stops being hilarious.

>>29606772
>>29606774
(you)

Also get off Smogon and play for real desu ~

>>29606809
>if i say memes, that means they're the ones who are wrong

>>29606809
Sure let me choose from this amazing range of choices >>29599548
Hmm, another fine day for VGC

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>>29606818
>>29606829
Smogon: high quality (you) everyone can afford!

>>29599548
Relax, You little shit, 2017 will be VGC2014 2: Togedemaru Boogaloo

After megas: Totally ban This will be the healthiest VGC

>>29606853
>VGC17
>Good
Can't wait to see you VGCfags bitching about the tapus of healthy terrain endlessly next year.

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>>29606843
Also, to be honest, this looks better than Tsareena, heck, Every fake Bounsweet evo looks better than that Abomination

>>29606883
Legend Ban, The Tapus will probally be legends

>>29599548
>cherrypicked results
Worlds this year had 30 pokemon over 4% usage (ou has 42 I think?)
That was the least diverse format in a long time.

>>29606897
Yes surely they'll be cover legends and not 580 BST legends.

>>29606897
>Legend ban
Oh yeah just like genies got banned because they were legends amirite? Only mythical and cover legends get banned, all other legends are always fair game and you must be one special kind of deluded to think the tapus will get banned.

>>29606932
They would've said if the tapus were banned, yes.
Ash-Greninja is banned though

>>29606942
>Ash-Greninja is banned though
Not like anyone cares, much less after seeing the set-up Battle Bond needs for frog to go Ash.

Pray for the UB to be banned too, knowing GF they will allow one per team or something equally retarded.

>>29606932
Greninja-ASH is also banned, Not even the psuedos are banned and jobber Is an auto-ban, Tapus will be banned AND YOU KNOW IT

>>29606970
>priority
>redirection
yeah nah, ash-greninja would be crazy.

>>29606975
Just like the genies, horses, sprites, Regis, dogs and birds right

>>29606970
I am the only one who thinks UB's are AG Material

>>29606970
>auto-infatuate
in doubles
Gamefreak is not THAT retarded.

>>29606975
>Ash-Greninja
Eventmon.

>Pseudos
What do pseudos have to do with this?

>Tapus will be banned AND YOU KNOW IT
If that makes you sleep at night.

>>29606991
>Tapu Lele
>Protect
>Spread Moves
Cool jobberfrog you got yourself there anon.

>>29607005
>+2+2+2 one turn cover Legendary setup
in Doubles
Gamefreak is not THAT retarded

>>29607038
What?

>>29607048
Xerneas.

>>29607053
Xerneas wasn't even used THAT much in the end though?

>>29607048
>>29607091
/vp/ proving once again how unknowledgable they are

>>29607091
Holy fucking shit dude. Are you shitting me?

>>29607101
And people say we haven't been completely invaded by redditors and tumblrites and all other sorts of vermin. Fucking hell man.

>>29606696
Still setting up SD in a forced switch is unreliable as fuck, CB offers immediate power that actually lets him beat its targets more consistently with little prediction.

Sd LO packs a big punch, but you do require that set up, CB is just an immediate crunch/crab hammer/knock off to the face that destroys stall.

If we judge by consistency CB wins by a large margin.

-_- why do people even reply to these bait threads?

>>29607140
because all threads on /vp/ are bait threads or people with genuinely stupid opinions

>>29607125
My point is that beauty would be used on every fucking team nigger.
I know Xerneas was used a lot. But it wasn't on every fucking team like beauty would be. It was only on half of the worlds top 24.

>>29607017
>What do pseudos have to do with this
God-like stats and Certrain Item X Ability pair(Multiscale X WKNS Dragonite, Rough skin/Gooey X Rocky helmet Garchomp(Alternative to mega)/Goodra), But somehow they are not Banned

>>29607201
Why should they be banned? They are simple normal Pokemon with no special label. Pseudo is a fan-term in first place.

>>29607187
And used by over 60 percent of Worlds participants. The only reason it fell off at the top was because people there countered it, but post-Worlds shows a resurgence of Xerneas topping events because people have learnt to counter the counters to the best mon in the format.

Jesus, it's as if you're a leddit Stunfisk retard.

>>29607187
>It didn't win worlds so it means it's shit and no one uses it
Going by your logic Mega Mom was shit too because it didn't won Worlds on 14 or 16.

>>29607201
I know right? I had completely forgotten that a pokemon's worth was determined solely by their BST. Take Goodra for example: how will anyone stop this monster?

>>29607233
>Simple normal Pokemon with no special label
>Having Mounstrous Stats is CLEARLY not a special label

KYS

>>29607286
Stats aren't everything you retard.

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>>29607279
WHY THE FUCK, PESUDOS SHOULD BE CLEARLY BANNED,

>>29607308
Yes, they are

>>29607240
I've been here since /vp/ was created. Go back to /pol/, newfag.
yeah yeah yeah, I know how the worlds meta work. But 60% is still far less than
EVERY
SINGLE
FUCKING
TEAM
Beauty would be on another fucking level than Xerneas. You can counter Xerneas. What the fuck would you even do against unconditional auto-infatuate?

>>29599426
>>29599426

Holy shit, a quick SmashPass into this would be destructive

you might be onto something here anon

>>29606547
>get to top 3 of the ladder with less than 50 games
>my w/l wasn't high enough to qualify for voting so I have to restart
Shame. I might actually give up on voting since without M-Sableye everyone just uses M-Medicham. The stall issue would be fixed if there wasn't a Pokemon that automatically invalidated 90% of a certain attacking type rather than an incredibly safe magic bouncer.

>>29607331
I guess that's why Slaking and Regigigas have been competitive staples ever since their introductions.

Someone screencap this part of the conversasion

From this
>>29606843
To this
>>29607337

>>29607335
http://literarydevices.net/hyperbole/

>>29607331
Tell that to Azumarril, Breelom, Clefable, Smeargle, etc.

Tell that to Articuno, Regigigas and Slaking.

And let's not forget M-Garchomp with his monstrous BST.

>>29607361
No.

>>29607331
smeargle

>>29606942
>>29606975
Ash Greninja is banned because of how exclusive it is. If people buy the game without playing the demo then they won't get it.

I doubt the Tapus will be banned though since during vgc 2014 the entire Kalos dex was allowed including the legendary birds. The only exception were the box legends.

>>29607360
Chansey used Skill swap

>people actually listen to a fansite with made up "rules"
>said fansite actually calls their metagames official and act like some kind of authority on Pokemon
>people actually follow these "rules" and talk about them like they're more official than the game itself

>>29607398
>said fansite actually calls their metagames official and act like some kind of authority on Pokemon
[citation needed]

>>29607358
You are having mega medicham issues, bitch I'm seeing a whole load of Pinsir, Lopunny, Medicham and CB Ttar as well, Zapdos is working over time in this ladder.

>>29607395
>>29607395
You are a genius anon! I had never realized such an amazing and clever and totally not gimmicky that even literal retards can stop strategy! You'll surely win Worlds with it for sure! Go for it! I'm cheering for you!

>>29607411
>Load of Lopunny
I'm jelly, that thing is an instant win for my team.
I've seen some Zappies but not that many Tyranitars, the only people I see using Pinsir are the people still using memespam.

>>29607395
>Using TWO (2) pokemon of the same types in the same team, and monotypes at that
MAD MAN

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>>29607422
>Not understanding the joke
Here's a free Zest soap, (YOU) edition

>>29607469
>I-I was just pretending to be retarded
Here's your (you)

>>29607473
>Unexistent Humor sense
Here's a Year lotation of (You)'s, Now spend it and Never come back to 4Chan again

>>29607503
>unexistent

>>29606901
OU currently has 49 Pokemon above the 4% line, with 3 more Pokemon below it that hit that still hit the OU threshold (3.41%). On that rough boundary, VGC would be only 40% as diverse as a single Smogon tier.

>>29607437
I wish I could say lopunny was an easy win, but when freaking lopunny baton passes into cb Ttar I knew I was in for a bad day. They have gotten smarter bro, they are playing it as a mini medicham.

>>29605691
There's just something about watching shit players that cheers me up

>>29600099
Is there any reasoning for this clause instead of just reverting to the old/singles sleep clause? From what I read a while ago, it was a few names just complaining "waaah, we are prepared for sleep powder/spore, this is uncompetitive."
I think if this kind of shit was being pulled in one of their more popular formats, people would actually kick up a fuss (such as when Contrary Serp was released and PU banned Contrary+Serp, instead of banning it outright, followed immediately by more experienced staff fixing it).

>>29607757
They had Shaymin-S unbanned at the time for some godawful reason.

>>29607775
Yeah, I remember seeing the Sableye/Grasswhistle replay and thinking that the guy playing against it was basically unprepared for Shamin, period. Doubles UU might be fun, but all of the flat-out borked shit that runs around in their OU tier is just too much for me.

Just make it that no Pokemon on your team can have the same item. Hell, full leftovers team is cancer.

>>29608170
>Mega Stone
>Eviolite
>Rocky Helmet
>Leftovers
>Black Sludge
>Shed Shell/Choice Band/Choice Scarf/Focus Sash/No Item

>>29608170
>full leftovers team is cancer
I can't remember when was the last time I saw that.
And item clause means I can't go LIFE ORB ON EVERYTHING IT'S THE BEST ITEM EVER

>>29606722
Have you ever thought about having fun

>>29608903
Once. It was awful.

>>29599890
>Smogon logic
Suspect Mega Sableye because it bounces Stealth Rock back
>Stealth Rock isn't the problem

>>29609019
It isn't and you're an idiot if you think it is.

>>29609019
No, suspect mega sableye because it can't be worn down traditionally and the few counters it has are blocked by a good supporting stall team almost perpetually.

ITT Autism

>runs cress
>slap in mud slap/twave/healing here/ice beamu
>watch ragequits

Mud slap Ban incoming