The more I play it, the more I think everything that came

Because it's the one time Game Freak tried to make a good story. Also no Megas. Only thing I really miss is the Fairy type

>>29527796
Funny, I get that feeling when I play HGSS.

>>29527796
B/W2 is better, though.

>>29527796
Funny. I get that feeling while playing Red and Blue.

>>29527796
You should feel this way about B2W2, though.

really? the sprite animations made my eyes burn when I replayed BW2 after playing XY for a while.

>>29527872
my thoughts exactly

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>>29527796
you posted the wrong game

>>29527872
This so much.

I loved HGSS so much that everything after was a bit of a letdown, sure they had some nice new features but it just wasn't HGSS.

>>29527894
I get what you mean. For me B2W2 felt like it was trying and failing really hard to capture the magic of BW. I honestly think B2W2 was a mistake and the PWT is overrated due to nostalgia.

The more I play it, the more I wish the routes weren't mostly crap. I also hate the early route variety.

>>29527919
HGSS is tied as being the pinnacle of the series with Platinum and BW2. Platinum has some awesome setpieces and basically fixed DP entirely. HGSS has the most features and the best developed end game. BW2 has the best aesthetic in terms of everything but Pokemon. It's really just personal preference at this point; it's impossible to rate the three objectively against eachother.

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>>29527872
>>29527916
>>29527919
What do you guys like about HGSS? Honestly, it felt really tedious to me-- the region was bland and empty, and half of the cities I can barely remember. Plus, most of my pokemon were immensely underleveled because of the curve, so I had to spend some time grinding, which sucked.

>>29527995
Same,i think HGSS is good,but nothing special at all.

>>29527995
>he has to grind in Pokémon

Get out of here

>>29528028
GSC's curve had Lv30-40 trash leading to Lv50-60+ gyms and story fights.

>>29527925
That's probably because you played it expecting BW elements, when it's actually a different game that serves as a generation 5 sequel. Gen 7 is looking good but to me gen 5 felt as the end of the series, games that were released later weren't necessary or just not good enough to be considered an addition to the franchise.

>>29527919
Gen 4 is so fucking slow though. It takes ages for Pokémon with high amount of health to die.

>>29528060
Eh, I remember the curve being much smoother than that, but then again, the last time I played SS was almost 5 years ago.

The one thing I remember clearly is the fact that I never had to grind.

HGSS were garbage

Only babes who grew up with Gen 2 liked them

>>29527882
>>29527894
>>29527925
Was referring to post Gen V because I believe BW2 are the superior versions

>>29527972
You just sumed up exactly how I feel about those games, along with Emerald. HGSS is to be considered the best remake yet out of the three in existence.

>>29527995
That's how I felt about X and Y, save for the level curve

>>29527796
BW2 are good, BW is shit that Unovabortions hold up on high because MUH 150+ NEW POKEMON even though the blatantly superior game in Gen 5 is the one that has a mix of all Pokemon, not just the new ones.

>>29527918
Genwunners are the reason Pokemon is going downhill.

I was just starting college when Black/White came out so I missed out on that gen. Is it worth getting that or just skipping to B/W2??

>>29527995
I feel pretty much the same about B/W aside from the level curve part. The routes are mostly short and linear, you have to deal with having barely any interesting pokemon until you get a few badges, you're constantly hounded by your friends and enemies. At least they put some thought into the gym battles though.

>>29528165
If you care about the story you might wanna suffer through BW and its retarded encounter rates but aside from that it's not a big deal to skip to BW2, they're way better.

>>29528165
Play BW first because the story I'll admit is the best in the series. But BW2 is the best one features wise and the story of BW2 happens 2 years after the first, so there's continuity. For example: One of your rivals in BW is the first Gym Leader in BW2.

>>29528165
Playing BW then BW2 is a great experience that makes you appreciate the both of them together

One's a breath of fresh air while the other is a spiritual successor to Platinum. Both are different enough to warrant a playthrough of each, unlike previous Gens where the third version was usually the definitive game

>>29528111
HGSS is easily the best remake in franchise history, potentially one of the best remakes in game history period. It's the only one that is literally better than it's originals in every single way. You could say the same about FRLG, I suppose, but not really. And ORAS is literally just a worse emerald.

I still prefer Platinum, though.

>>29528101
>Guaranteed (You)'s

>>29527995
Being familiar with a region and coming back to it after years, the mystery of the Unown answered through the Arceus event. All the extra features.

It didn't feel slow to me at all but that could be due to sheer bliss when I was playing it.

>>29528109
Oh amazing taste then anon.

>>29527995
i enjoy the level curve

>>29527888
Me too.

Playing through emerald version is a little painful for me because even though Gen 6 did some not so favorable things, at least the movepools are good. Like, holy shit, the movepools on Gen 3 mons are aboslutely awful without the use of tutors (and even then some are still trash) Shuppet is basically unusable in Gen 3 and Grass mons are a pain in the ass to train.

>>29528099
>never had to grind in Johto, the literal definition of awful leveling curve

Ok pal

>>29528274
Indeed. I mean I always prefer the originals to the remakes, but HGSS is the only one that I can enjoy playing from beggining to end. Also much prefer Platinum, it's the best DS game. ORAS is very lackluster and boring to finish.

>>29528307
Why would you enjoy that kind of tediousness?

OP here. I started out hating Gen V because my pleb ass 15 year old self wanted Pokemon on 3DS for Gen V, so I stuck with Platinum for the most part, my favorite game at the time. But as I played BW2 on launch day, it made me realize what a little shit I was and what top tier the gen was as a whole. When 3D Pokemon finally came in the form of XY, it felt really empty and had like no charm. And no postgame was disappointing. Funny how shit works.

>>29528307
Gen 2 was great and all, but...that level curve is really bad. Even in HG/SS.

>>29528164
because gamefreak doesn't listen to them and keeps everything after the first 151

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>was one of the gen 5 haters when it first released and thought pokemon was ruined forever
>gen 6 comes out
>want to play it but hate skipping games so I played through gen 5
>instantly becomes my favorite
>never got to fully appreciate gen 5 or use the dream world
>eventual remakes will fuck it up

>>29528274
>>29528400

>Still prefer Platinum over HG/SS

I'm not alone, ayy

>>29528531
You deserve it cuck

5th gen Best gen forever

>>29528274
I actually never played Platinum. It's actually the one game in the series I haven't played.

>>29528531
>Dream World
>Good

I love the fuck outta Gen V, but you didn't miss shit dude

>>29528148
"M-MUh no charizard the game is trash"

>>29528522
>Rerelease RBY
>XY protagonist is from Kanto
>So is Sun and Moon protagonist
>Second set of starters in XY are from Kanto
>Only 4 legendaries in XY, literally less than Gen 1 itself, and half of said legendaries are from Gen 1
>Pokemon Origins
>Pokemon Generations
>Alola Forms are all Gen 1
>Red and Blue grow up and come back to Sun and Moon
>Majority of Sun and Moon dex is Gen 1
>Trading from Gen 1 is possible out of literally nowhere
>Pokemon Go exists

I'm a liiitle tired of Gen 1 now.

>>29527796
Gen 5 was fucking garbage. Couldn't even finish BW.

>>29528569
Emulate it, set it to a faster speed, and enjoy probably the best pre-Gen V Pokemon experience. So fucking good.

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>>29527995
>needing to grind at Pokémon

As a Johtotoddler I acknowledge the level curve is the worst part of Gen 2 and HGSS (I blame the split path after Ecruteak for fucking everything up), but c'mon, you should be able to beat the AI with a 30 level disadvantage, let alone a 5-10 level disadvantage.

>>29528662
Then you can't give a valid opinion if you couldn't even slog your ass through the best GF games ever.

>>29528639
To be fair, you get shit at the start of B/W. It takes you two gyms just to get some fucking regional bugs.

>>29527796
Funny. I get that feeling while playing ポケットモンスター 緑.

>>29528274
>literally better than it's originals in every single way

Eh, I like GSC's music better than HGSS's. The new arrangements are hit-and-miss and GB Sounds, while a great concept, sucks in execution. I agree with everything else in your post though.

>>29528714
Literally what the fuck you weeb NEET trash, nobody speaks your moonrune shit here, go back to /a/. You're that fag that names their PKMN by the Japanese names, calls Blue Green, and calls Ash Satoshi. Just stop, nobody even likes you.

>>29528214
>>29528221
>>29528246
Sounds good m8s. If I'm lucky my brother may have a copy of one so I don't have to buy it. Last game I played the hell out of was Diamond/Pearl and I loved that gen. I've been playing through X recently as I got it back when it initially launched but never finished the game (busy with school) and it's not bad like everyone on here claims it is.

>>29528168
Same. Only catching a Scolipede, Cofagrigus and Gigalith made the region less of a slog.

>>29528710
cry more,kalosperm

>>29527796
Understandable. Gen 5 is the defacto Pokemon experience.

Fun fact: Gen 5 was trash

>>29528710
Every game begins with trash, BW2 has to be the first time you can get decent Pokemon before the first Gym

>>29528734
This is actually one of the reasons I prefer GSC over HGSS. I still think HGSS is good, though.

>>29528836
>insults gen 5 on a gen 5 appreciation board
When did obvious bait become a trend? It's shit.

>>29527796
Funny. I get that feeling while playing Y.

>>29528274
>It's the only one that is literally better than it's originals in every single way.
Not really, in HGSS they buffed some of the leaders without buffing anything else which essentially made the curve worse. Then there's the fact that they blocked off day time mon completely at night and vice versa for night mon instead of bringing back the sleeping Pokemon mechanic making the game feel considerably more tedious than the original game.

Basically it's extremely flawed from a mechanical standpoint but nostalgia plays a big part in people ignoring these flaws.

>>29528795
>>29528849
B/W felt like it was worse off in that category. First gym only gives you 5 mons total, one being a starter and the other being a stupid monkey. R/S gives you your regional shit, but also gives you Lotad, Seedot, Ralts, Slakoth, Shroomish all before the first gym. Even Gen 1 was nice enough to give you Nidoran, Pikachu and Mankey before then.

>>29528900
Just like gen 5

>>29528768
Look. The thing about X and Y is not really that it's bad. But compared to the previous gens...it kinda is. Because so much cool stuff from Gen V suddenly disappears from Gen VI. That includes a postgame. It's pretty much on par with the original Ruby and Sapphire.

I know people will disagree with me on this, but the thing that saved Gen VI for me is that it has the best online yet.

>>29528900
yet you reply anyways

>>29528901
Crap. I meant BW2.

>>29528952
>That includes a postgame. It's pretty much on par with the original Ruby and Sapphire.
Literally every first game and crystal is on par with that anon.
With that said RS has the most content overall of the first games.

>>29527796
Linear as fuck

>>29527995
That's how I felt when I played XY and ORAS even though I played R/S/E overall.

>>29528927
>First gym only gives you 5 mons total
>Starter
>monkey
>Pidove
>Lillipup
>Purrloin
>Audino
>Munna
>5
?

>>29528821

Gen 5 is forgettable at best.

>>29528356
I never had to grind in johto as well

>>29529047
Are you just going to post that every five minutes without actually saying why you like it?
Jesus, you Johtoddlers are infuriating.

>>29528996
But Crystal had that whole return to Kanto thing. RS and XY just have that Battle Facility island going on for it. DP have the fight area and the Gen V games both have another piece of Unova left after you beat the story. Only postgame probably worse than X and Y is the first one, because it didn't exist.

>>29529047
*ORAS overall

>>29529082
I am not even a Johtoddler. Johto is not even my favorite region. Fuck off faggot.

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>>29528168
I think about the same for BW, it felt cold and mechanical to me, and had barely any personality. That changed with B2W2, though. Maybe it was because I was so hyped from /vp/ claiming it was the best, but everything was so much more memorable in B2W2.

>>29528692
yeah, its easy if you're constantly shoving potions and revives down your mons' throat

Honnest question: are people serious when they say gen5 has a good story or is this just a meme?

Games are fine and all but come on, the story is pokemon-tier shit.

>>29529051
You can't even get Pidove until you beat the first gym, it's on Route 3 which the old man stops you from getting on. Also, don't you need the Cut TM to get Munna in the Dreamyard? I'm not sure on Audino, I ended up looking for one early on for the hell of it but it never showed up.

>>29529131
>the story is pokemon-tier shit.
That's the thing, it's shit but it's actually above pokemon tier shit.

>>29529127
I didn't like B/W that much, but admittedly I really liked B/W2. Not sure why.

>>29527888
>when FRLG exist

>>29528952
>Triple and rotation battles are gone in Gen VII

It's like they completely erased them. And there are people on this board who will thank Game Freak for removing content just because they want to see Gen5fags "epic BTFO!" like they were Flygonfags.

>>29529127
>its easy if you're constantly shoving potions and revives down your mons' throat

Abusing items is more respectable than grinding. Using X Items at the start of the battle is a faster and cheaper strategy than Revive spam, if you're going to be an item whore do it right.

>>29529142
My bad, Patrat.
And no you don't need cut for Munna. As for Audino you can catch it anywhere rustling grass can occur.

>>29529131
>Not wanting the Gym leaders to actually give a shit about a group of freaks running around the region stealing people's Pokemon

>>29529173
BW2 was just the cooler one, ayy

>>29529051
You can't get Pidove before the first gym though. Not sure about Munna and Audino.

>>29529131
Compared to other pokemon games, it's alright.
Team Plasma is one of the best villainous team we got since Cipher from the shadow pokemon games.

>>29528522
>doesn't know there were ~190 pokemon planned for gen 1
>some of those extras were likely johto pokemon
kek

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>>29529239
>You can't get Pidove before the first gym though. Not sure about Munna and Audino.
see >>29529204

>>29529278
anon pls

Don't let the rose tinted first playthrough nostalgia goggles blind you from the Battle Frontierless reality

>>29529142
>Also, don't you need the Cut TM to get Munna in the Dreamyard?
That's only if you want to get into the basement.

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I must be the only one that liked the first games better. Better story, Better protags, no migrants. I'll admit B2W2 heavily improved the region's layout, though. BW Unova is basically a really long, straight road.

>>29528927
That's because first gym happened earlier in BW than in RSE. Not a big thing.

>>29529297
Yeah I saw it later on.

>>29529313
It was a joke, anon. The only Pokemon game people cared about that came after ORAS was Go.

I didn't even play ORAS, only Emerald.

>>29529313
I don't think ORAS fans are ORAS fans because of nostalgia. I hated my playthrough of ORAS because of all the things that were different than my nostalgia, like Granite Cave and the Safari Zone. I'm pretty sure ORAS fans have never played RSE, or played them once when they were too young to remember details.

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>>29529204
I stood around the first route looking for Audino for 10 minutes and it didn't show up. It only ever starts appearing after the first gym for some reason. Also, I see nowhere to reach the grass without Cut considering that area towards the stairs is blocked off early on.

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Seems everyone here is divided on BW and BW2. One had a better story, another had better features. Is anyone else hoping that Sun and Moon will be a little bit like Gen V tier? So far I only say this because everyone is taller but also because it's the second gen to release on the system. Hoping GF will make it good and improve all the lack that X and Y had.

Who am I kidding

>>29527796
>Genwunner
>Played gen I, II half of III and then skipped everything else until Y
>Don't feel like I've missed out on anything at all

>>29529379
Oh. ORAS was kinda okay. Just slightly better than X and Y.

>>29529402
Personally I like it because it made huge strides in making the game more user friendly instead of having arbitrary walls, uncontrollable elements and unexplained mechanics.

>>29529333
I feel the same way and I'm glad that there are hacks that fixed almost everything from earlier games.

>>29529498
>Skipped everything after Gen 3 until Y
>Don't feel like I missed anything

I feel sorry for you, lad.

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>>29528927
>Even Gen 1 was nice enough to give you Nidoran, Pikachu and Mankey before then.
Mankey was only available in Yellow, the Nidoran were fucking useless outside of Yellow, and Pikachu is Pikachu. Outside of the starter, you didn't get jack shit before the first gym.

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>>29527796

>>29529333
I prefer the story and the characters as well. I also like how you were in a region with only new pokemon.
What I love about BW2 were mainly the postgame, new locations, pokemon with HA found in the wild depending of the day, other fun features like Pokestar Studio.
It also gets the best varied choice of pokemon at the beginning.

>>29529402
I think it's the case as well. I remember people saying they consider ORAS their favorite game and they don't misss anything since they haven't played R/S/E.
I also didn't like ORAS that much even though I liked R/S/E a lot.

>>29529589
Pokestar studio was the best shit. I hope that comes back sometime soon, before a freaking B2/W2 remake (How are they gonna handle gen 5 remakes anyway)

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>>29529589
Both of these

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>>29529521
>arbitrary walls, uncontrollable elements and unexplained mechanics

I'm not sure what your talking about but it makes me suspect you're shilling.

The only "uncontrollable element" I can think of that was removed was the Game Corner, and you could just buy coins if you really wanted. The only unexplained mechanics I can think of are Sheen and the way feeding Pokéblocks to Pokémon at the Safari Zone affected them, which isn't necessary to capture them. And Granite Cave isn't an "arbitary wall," it's a dungeon. RPGs have dungeons, they make the game interesting by presenting relative difficulty via a need to endure wild and/or trainer encounters for a specific amount of time without easy retreat to a Pokémon Center. To say dungeons are arbitrary is to say Pokémon battles are arbitrary, and to subsequently remove a large number of trainers from routes so you can reach the next town more quickly.

>>29529643
>(How are they gonna handle gen 5 remakes anyway)
The only way I see that working is with another sequel.

>>29529570
Alright, makes sense. My bad. That said, Pikachu is okay in Gen 1. I'm purely talking the Viridian Forest Pikachu, not the Yellow one.

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>>29529663
Tfw you now have to worry about all future remakes being shit after playing ORAS

>>29529498
Gen IV and V are my personal favorites, I think there's a lot of value in them that's not in Gen VI because Game Freak feels the need to remove half the fucking content of the previous Gens when they make a new one.

I don't blame you for feeling as you do, though, because even though games add and remove features all the time in this series, the core gameplay is the same today as it was in Gen 1. You can leave Pokémon for any amount of time, come back with whatever the newest entry is, and immediately get comfortable since it'll be just like the old games at its core. I would recommend going back and playing the games you missed just for the things they do right that weren't carried over to later games.

>>29528060
Never had a problem with anything in HGSS until the Red fight, where suddenly everything jumps from 50s to 80s.

>>29527872
>>29527916
Haha sorry but no. Underneath the nice gimmicks you've got garbage challenges like Morty's joke of a "gym" or that godawful level-scaling.

>>29528285
So nostalgia, of course.

>>29529643
I hope we saw that as well later on.
>How are they gonna handle gen 5 remakes anyway
Either we got sequels or we get the remakes of both BW1/2 at the same time.
No idea how they would handle the legends though. Maybe they could make you choose like Latios and Latias in Emerals.

>>29529427
Audino only shows up in rustling grass. You can't find it like a regular mon

B2/W2 are a lot better

if you meant gen 5 as a whole no fucking shit gen 6 sucks dick it's only better than gen 1

>>29529871
I know it only shows up in rustling grass. But it normally doesn't take long for grass to rustle if you walk around without getting into battles, which is what I did.

>>29529659
Okay.
One, that's not what shilling means. If I was trying to convince you to buy it, for example the literal paid shills on /v/ for NMS, then you could say I was shilling. However I'm just telling you what made it good.
Two, the only part of the game corner that was uncontrollable was the roulette wheel the slots aren't determined by RNG you can literally get triple 7s every time if you have good reactions. But with that said having to purchase coins is a minimal improvement at best as instead of playing RNG or reactions: the minigame you can tap A until your money is gone.
Three, the safari zone mechanics are the uncontrollable elements namely the abundance of RNG and one action always raising or decreasing chance of escape or capture else essentially making every move outside of throwing the ball nigh useless as one increases the rate of capture but increases the rate of escape and vice versa. You can never truly control it in the same way you can in normal play. Not to mention there's still the rare pokemon that appear.
Four, by arbitrary wall in the original game I'm referring to is the berry blender not Granite, but all things considered the damage there was minimal and the actual dungeon was made optional. Anyway the only thing blending does is impose an unnecessary wall for the real content, the contests. As does the sheen mechanic, thanks for mentioning it by the way, because the AI blenders are going to give you inferior blocks that fill your sheen without giving you optimal gain in stats. Unless of course you're playing Emerald where the blending master exists, however unless you're playing on an emulator you're not going to encounter him any more on cart as most if not all copies of the game have succumb to the clock glitch when the battery runs dry.

Lastly we're reaching 800+ pokemon now and by the looks of SM extremely large regions. The last thing we need are things like these bogging down the gameplay.

>>29527796
That's just gen 6

>>29528696
>m-muh opinion is objective

BW are the worst mainline games by far

>>29530313
>m-muh opinion is objective

>>29530313
That can't be when X and Y exist to be nothing but a waste of time

>>29527843

is there a romhack that adds just fairy type to it ?

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>>29527796
Literally one shitty gen came after it so you're not wrong.

>>29528060
And? What makes you unable to beat those without grinding? Nothing, that's what.

>>29530313
>BW are the worst mainline games by far
What is gen 6?

>>29530342
>m-muh opinion is objective

>>29530344
>this pile of shit is better than this pile of shit!

At least XY had majority good Pokémon designs

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>>29530429
>Says something's the worst
>B-but they're both shit!

>>29530000
I apologize for using the word "shilling" incorrectly.

>the roulette wheel the slots aren't determined by RNG you can literally get triple 7s every time if you have good reactions

My bad there as well, I'm used to the Gen 1 slots that are pure RNG with no ability to change the outcome via timing.


The Safari Zone is meant to shake things up. You can't use the same optimal strategies you used for any other wild encounter, that's why you're given 30 balls for $500 each. Also, in Hoenn's Safari Zone specifically (does not apply to Kanto or Sinnoh), feeding Pokéblocks does not lower your catch chances when it lowers your escape chances, and it's possible to reduce the escape chance to zero. Hoenn had the best version of the Safari Game, making its removal even worse.

Contests are piss-easy, you can beat max rank in an hour starting from nothing with no Pokéblocks in ORAS. I don't miss Sheen that much, but they should make you work for your Pokéblocks. If they wanted an easy, fast way to make Pokéblocks, they should have let you instantly create low-quality Pokéblocks and require to play the game otherwise. If there's no Sheen, the only thing you lose from going the instant route is it more berries getting your Pokémon to max rank. Don't cut out enjoyable content to fix a problem when you can just fix the problem.

(1/2)

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>>29529884
I have way more fun replaying Yellow than X and Y, that's how bland it was

>>29530387
>What makes you unable to beat those without grinding?
The fact that your stats are so low that you're outclassed in every way unless you grind.

It isn't like say Etrian or SMT where you can use various skills to help your entire team. This is pokemon and you have four moves at a time, if you're below a certain threshold you're either going to instantly lose or go through the longest item abuse session in your life.

>>29530442
Are you blind or retarded? BW are worse than XY because XY at least had majority good Pokémon designs, something only contrarian unovacucks such as (You) claim Gen 5 has.

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>>29530492
>XY have barely any Pokemon and rely on pandering to previous generations through Megas
>B-but majority good designs!
>I don't like new things, just give me the same regurgitated shit!

Outside of the dex itself, XY are inferior to BW in nearly every fucking way. Note the nearly, there are some things I do prefer from XY, but as a whole it's the lowest of the low

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>>29530000
>>29530457
(2/2)

>Lastly we're reaching 800+ pokemon now and by the looks of SM extremely large regions. The last thing we need are things like these bogging down the gameplay.

That's fucking stupid. That's a HORRIBLE ideology to have with game design. Content is always good. XY had a large region and the biggest regional Dex in the franchise but the games had no content, and sucked as a result. We've never had a Pokémon game that was bloated in content. Maybe if Game Freak DID keep everything between each game we might run into a problem eventually, but we could put every feature ever introduced in the next game without bloat, provided we didn't have redundant choices like Contests and Super Contests right next to each other or multiple Battle Tower clones in the game like having the Maison and Subway together. We'd just have a really good game with everything the fans could ask for. Some fans might not like some of the content, but the good news is the majority of the shit they introduce each generation is 100% optional, and they'd have a ton of shit they do like in exchange.

ORAS has less content than Emerald. This is a bad thing. You might not like the things Emerald had that ORAS didn't, but lots of people did, and most of this removed content didn't have any equivalent replacement. It fails as a remake relative to HGSS. Even if you try using the "they're Ruby/Sapphire remakes, not Emerald remakes :^)" argument, they're a conceptual failure for choosing to remake the inferior version of a game instead of remaking the third version and using the first pair's plot and wild encounters like HGSS did. It's a bad design choice that makes the game worse. And even only comparing it to RS it removes too many things. Removing content is not a good decision for a remake just because you personally don't like that content.

>electric pokemon can be paralyzed
>literally unplayable

>>29530492
Mate, gamefreak didn't even bother with half the XY dex. Look at shit like Pyroar. They just slapped random shit together. The poor bastard has 68 attack and Moxie.

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>>29530028
>>29530369

OP here, the Sun and Moon demo gave me the impression that it might be a shitty XY2. Here's hoping that's not the case.

>>29530492
I enjoy smoking pot too, anon.

While you're right that Gen VI had better Pokemon designs, the games as a whole were still much worse. Gen V was fun and had personality while Gen VI is literally just, "Look! Pokemon in 3D now, ayyy!"

>>29527796
5th gen is best gen

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>>29527796
yeah, like the rest of the game

>>29527796
>Started the trend of linear regions with no backtracking until the postgame

>>29530492
But the games weren't fun at all and barely had fun sidequests compared to some of the previous pokemon games.

>>29530540
>I don't like new things

I don't like new things when they're shit.

>XY are inferior to BW in nearly every fucking way.

BW only had a better story. The region design was shit, the rivals were shit, the early game, one of the most important parts of the game, was shit, and the postgame was also bland as fuck. Saying otherwise makes you a homosexual, uneducated nigger with dogshit taste

>>29528531
You didn't miss anything with the dream world. It was a tedious gimmick that required an entirely separate device to utilize. A perfect example of "Good on paper, shit in practice."

>>29527796
Gen V is perhaps the best gen of pokemon with a lot of good pokemon coming from it

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>>29530480
>It isn't like say Etrian or SMT where you can use various skills to help your entire team.
But it is like those games in that you have a lot of freedom to customize your team. Even if there's not a whole lot of team play involved outside of gimmick strats like Baton Pass which you wouldn't get to use in an ingame run, you still have total freedom to pick any of the winning strategies that work in Pokemon.

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>>29530672
>Region design was shit
>Implying Kalos is a good region

>Rivals were shit
>Implying Calem/Serena, Trevor, Tierno and Shauna were good characters

>The early game
I guess, but judging a game by the first level is fucking retarded, especially when the late game is some of the best in the series

>Post game
>Implying Gen VI has a post game

Literally all your complaints are worse in XY

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>>29530672
>XY had better game start, region design, "postgame", and rivals than BW
>Calling people homosexual niggers for disagreeing

>>29529131
>Game actually fucking touches upon letting a child run about in the world by themselves
>First rival in ages to actually do some consistently seen growing or be relevant outside of being steamrolled to show how cool and strong you are
>Gym leaders actually doing something besides being progression walls
>Game lulls you into thinking it'll end with another simple romp through an elite 4 and champion
>Nope, here's a fucking stairway to a floating castle
>First game in the mainline series to ever end the story with not the Pokemon League
Yes, it was pretty good for Pokemon all things considered.

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>>29530672
>The region design was shit, the rivals were shit
> postgame was also bland as fuck.
>implying that Kalos was a good region, that Serena and the other 3 were good rivals and that XY didn't have a bland and boring postgame
Top kek. You're not even trying.

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>>29530672
>The region design was shit, the rivals were shit,
>and the postgame was also bland as fuck
>but besides the story XY was superior!

>>29530457
>Also, in Hoenn's Safari Zone specifically (does not apply to Kanto or Sinnoh), feeding Pokéblocks does not lower your catch chances when it lowers your escape chances, and it's possible to reduce the escape chance to zero. Hoenn had the best version of the Safari Game, making its removal even worse.
Fair enough, I have to say my qualms with the Safari Game mostly lie with the original and HG/SS variants. In the latter the customization did it no favors because it absolutely requires a guide.

>you can beat max rank in an hour starting from nothing with no Pokéblocks in ORAS
I don't know if you're thinking about the DP contests or not but the Hoenn contests as a whole and can't be finished without Pokeblock investments. Your opponents, including AI trainers, have a considerable lead over you if you haven't fed any to your pokemon which means you'll be left in the dust and the whole appeal stage becomes meaningless given that the opponents have a tendency to use multiple jamming moves if you end up starting first for that turn.
Getting back to the point, both sheen and the minigame go hand in hand without one there's no point in the other seeing as the quality of the block you made wouldn't matter when blending as you could just go out, find more berries and play again. Do you see what I mean?

>Content is always good.
No, no it's not.
If it's arbitrary content that acts as a barrier to what the player wants to actually delve into then it's bad content. It turns players off to the game due to repetitiveness and general tedium. After all you wouldn't call pokemon's end game of breeding to enter competitive good content would you?
Not to mention they can sometimes take away from other areas of the game that the developers should have worked on or included in the first place to make the game more complete. For example following Pokemon could have been left out of HG/SS to include the vastly more important location based evo mechanic.

Cont.

>>29527796

Well, I do love Gen 5 but the only things that came after it are XY and ORAS so it's not much of a point in favor of BW/2.

>>29530672
Not only are X and Y inferior to Black and White in every fucking way, they're inferior to every single other game in the mainline series. They're trash. Utter garbage.

>>29530865
>>29530922
>>29530806
>>29530726
Kek, stay mad unovacucks. Unova is without a doubt the worst region and anyone who disagrees is probably an underage. The fact that you're probably neckbeard shitskins really makes me kek. Suck my left nut, emasculated cucks.

>>29531070
Actually, statistically speaking, it's more likely Kaloscucks are the underaged ones.

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>>29531070
You have to be 18+ to browse this site

>>29531096
>Genwunner
>Kaloscuck
>27

>>29528109
u rite tho

4 > 5 > 3 > 2 > 1 > 6

>>29527796
Really? For some reason I fucking hated the BW games.

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>>29531070
Good. Now go back playing your garbage XY game.

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Thinking about doing a white run as I haven't played it since release but most of the pokemon I want are mid-late game mon. Does pkhex for gen 5 require hacking or can I can I find a trade buddy over wifi? Though I believe DS wifi is down right?

>>29527796
Gen V is the pinnacle of Pokémon games. GF may never reach that peak again, but we will see.

>>29531228
Sun and Moon are looking really promising so far imo.

>>29531070

Okay guy, go play with your rollerskates at your le cafes. :^)

>>29531254
It's a complete hit or miss for me right now. Feels like it'll either be the return of top Gen V tier, or just more mediocre Gen VI tier garbage. It could go either way.

>>29531171
I'm actually having that problem right now. I'm at the 6th gym and still haven't made a full team.

>>29531228
But they did, with Gen 4 (except DiaPer of course). It's all been downhill from there, hopefully Gen 7 is able to fix that.

>>29531309
At the very least, the region itself looks to be more full of life compared to Kalos.

>>29531171
nah, the GTS is still online.
you can stilltrade normally or do wondertrades

just the global link with pokemiles and torunaments will be offline on the 31. of october

>mfw /vp/ likes gen 4 now
>mfw someday, /vp/ will be hyping for a gen 6 remake

Thank god 4chan won't last that long

>>29531353
I'm on the 3rd gym and my current team is Woobat, Munna and Servine (ditched Tympole which I was considering)

>>29531371
I've always liked Gen IV anon.

>>29531361
He's talking about Pokemon WHITE dude

>>29531387
If you played gen 4 before Platinum then you have shit taste anon.

>>29531355
True, it looks better than X and Y, but the demo felt so empty. Maybe cause it's just cause it's a demo. Despite all my shit talking and skepticism, I'm still very hyped.

>>29531379
I'm running Cinccino, Throh, Samurott and Lilligant. I have Drilbur and Simisear on my team but I haven't used them at all. I actually like some earlier pokemon like Sandile but I just didn't want to use it this time.

>>29531407
>Not being a Sinnohbaby and being uber hyped for Platinum since the moment it was announced on CoroCoro

>tfw the only good 3DS pokemon game is a fucking spinoff

What the fuck went wrong guys? Will SM finally break this shit cycle?

>>29531452
>tfw I wanted a Timburr but can't fully evolve it anymore. Fuck.
I know your feeling, I'll probably box my Servine at one point since I've use it on at least 3 runs

>>29531070
>buzzwords: the post

you forgot to say the word "shill" somewhere in there.

>>29531407
After playing Platinum, I certainly ended up liking it more. Wasn't as fast as Gen III still, but it fixed the speed greatly compared to D/P.

Let's also not forget that Gen IV was literally a game changer by introducing the physical/special split and much of the meta that exists today would not be as versatile as it is without that fact. Sure, any other generation could have done it. But Gen IV did it.

>>29531523
That physical special split was awesome for me. I remembered picking Hitmonchan in Blue and wondered why it did barely any damage with a super effective hit.

>>29530313
DP exists.

>>29531482
>What the fuck went wrong guys?
GF wasn't trying unlike the previous games.
I hope S/M will be better. At least, the postgame looks promising.

>>29531482
Are you talking about Super Mystery Dungeon? Yeah that was pretty good actually. I still need to finish it, but I cannot for the life of me figure out where I misplaced it.

That said, SM has me hopeful right now.

>>29531523
That's the one reason I tend to forgive Gen IV for its faults. It introduced one of the most important mechanics in the series

I can forgive Gens I and II for being simple RPGs on a system that can barely handle them, but Gen III is almost impossible to play without the split

>>29530548
>but the good news is the majority of the shit they introduce each generation is 100% optional
But the problem lies in the part where people would want to access said optional content. Going back to the contest example there's no particular reason to force the blending minigame on the player on a side game like contests.
In all honesty it's hard to put it into words, but you want the player to have freedom in what they do and not guide them to do things in a specific way or go through more loops and what not.

>ORAS has less content than Emerald.
That's not entirely true. Emerald had more ORIGINAL content over ORAS but as a whole ORAS had more content than Emerald because of everything brought up throughout the generations like the battle test, inverse battles and so on.
So what Emerald has over ORAS is variety.

>You might not like the things Emerald had that ORAS didn't, but lots of people did
Don't put words in my mouth. Especially since the specific qualms I have aren't specific to Emerald but RSE and Pokemon prior to gen 5 as a whole. However some pieces of Emerald you do have to admit were just bloat/filler whatever you want to call it such as the Mirage tower and Desert Underpass. For the Tower there wasn't much different inside than out aside from a few slight encounter rate changes and a few simple puzzles. Desert Underpass was just a straight line with Ditto and the second fossil as your prize. The whole thing that made this area special was included into the Ditto mirage island.
There's nothing particularly meaningful about these things.
However the Frontier and Trainer Tower that provided new elements are a different story. Those should have stayed.

Cont.

>>29531567
Everything is better than XY.

>>29531523
The physical/special split did more harm than good with mons like Typhlosion and Sceptile being nerfed.

>>29531614
GF being fucking stupid with movepools is not reason for the physical/special split being considered more harm than good

The elemental punches had no reason to be Special

>>29531614
Physical attackers became a lot better because they actually got coverage. Special mons with physical typings and physical mons with special typings finally got to use STAB attacks that wasn't worthless. The only things that really got nerfed were special mons that got elemental punches and had STAB to work with.

>>29531653
>The elemental punches are special
I never even noticed this. What the fuck.

>>29530548
Getting back to the point
>they're a conceptual failure for choosing to remake the inferior version of a game instead of remaking the third version and using the first pair's plot and wild encounters like HGSS did.
That's the thing, GS and Crystal were essentially the same game with one change between them, the Suicune side quest and that didn't affect the main plot of the game so it was easy to incorporate while retaining the various elements of GSC.
With RS and Emerald now, the two games are vastly different in comparison to GS and Crystal, several things happen differently throughout. Merging the two would have created something with a similar feel yet somewhat different to the both of them and you have to remember, their first objective was to recreate RS and the parts that made Ruby and Sapphire including the settings and events.
The only thing they could have included from Emerald comfortably was the Battle Frontier.

To make another comparison, what they would have done is would be similar to what Square has done to the FF7 remake. Same setting, same characters but it's not a remake of Final Fantasy 7 as much as it is a reboot or retelling.

>Removing content is not a good decision for a remake just because you personally don't like that content.
It's not really about what I like or dislike or for that matter what anyone likes or dislikes. It's about what makes a game a more smooth and free experience for players without elements that bog down the game and make it feel like you're fighting against it rather than actually playing it.

>>29528655
Hahaha. Re-remember Pikachu? Yeah, yeah. And and... yeah Charizard? Hahah. Remember when you were only in it for the hype and ditched before Ruby/Sapphire and you never touched the series again until Pokemon Go? Yeah, yeah? Haahaha. Wh-who cares about any of th-those other games, haahah, yeah. Hey, hey, l-l-look at this Exeggutor, haahah. It's so tall, that's whacky, right? H-hey, r-remember Pokemon? Heheh. Remember Gen 1? Y-you probably don't. But hey. That-that's ok. Cause here it all is again.

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>want to replay white
>remember all the unova pokemon I like are mid-late game
Do you need your ds hacked to use the gen 5 pkhex?

>>29531748
It sucked for the fighting type but it was fun for pokemon like Alakazam before.

>>29527796
>Doesn't explain anything.

What is this?

>>29532086
Gen V, anon. I'm making a point about how these were the best games.

>>29529713
>Tfw Gen. 4 will most definitely not be having Battle Frontier anymore because Game Freak wants to appeal to casuals even more.

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>>29532157
Yes I can see that. I'm not retarded. But when you say shit like that and don't even try to explain why then you somewhat come off as a troll.

>>29528165
Both. BW and B2W2 are in a way the Yin Yang Generation quite literally as one is something new and something old, while having a bit of the something old in it and vice versa. BW gives you a completely new set of Pokemon in a very different taste of story, while B2W2 demands you to mix in the previous 4 gens alongside Unova's natives, while further pushing narrative boundaries but in a much more Pokemonesque storyline. One challenges, while the other parodies in a self depreciative way the series' issues. Not to mention all the goodies you get for linking up a finished BW save to B2W2.

>>29530957
Sorry, I meant to say it takes an hour to beat max rank starting with zero contest stats and including the time it takes to max out your stats in that hour.

Adding a location-based evolution really isn't hard to do programming-wise. People have done it on hacks for the Game Boy with assembly code, and it's only a few lines (albeit, the hacks I mention base it on maps, it would be slightly more complicated if you need to be within a certain range of an object on the map, but still doable on the Game Boy and definitely super easy on the DS; I'm sure a ROMhacker would have done it in an HGSS hack if they weren't so annoying to hack). If GF wanted to, they could just include a Moss Rock in Viridian Forest and an Icy Rock in Seafoam Islands, and have either Route 9 or Rock Tunnel act magnetic due to their proximity to the Power Plant; the fact that they didn't isn't the fault of time constraints, it's a design choice (not a good design choice mind you, there's no reason not to include them other than wanting to squeeze more money out of the player by forcing them to get a Sinnoh game).

>>29531596
Berry Blending being required for Contests is a good example of what you mean, I suppose someone disliking the former would have trouble doing the latter. I admit I was very annoyed at having to endure Zinnia's shitfest to get to the Battle Resort, this would be like that to them.

However, freedom doesn't mean much if there's nothing to choose from. I can see an argument if it bars you from other content in the game (though I think it's better to refine content rather than remove it if there's a flaw in it, such as making the AI less shit and allowing you to get perfect Pokéblocks on your own with proper play), but content such as the Mirage Tower and Desert Underpass should have been included even if they aren't interesting to some. I personally like the Mirage Tower, it adds character to the region, an RNG-based mini-dungeon that you must check periodically for.

>>29531784
>The only thing they could have included from Emerald comfortably was the Battle Frontier

The only things they COULDN'T include comfortably are the Magma Hideout (because it would break the flow of the game in Omega Ruby by forcing you to backtrack after reaching Lilycove) and Terra/Marine Cave (since Groudon/Kyogre are version exclusive Legendaries), and I guess Battle Tents if they want to keep Lisia as an early-game character. Side areas like Mirage Tower and Trainer Hill don't hurt the plot, the expanded Safari Zone is fine, even Juan could fit in the game like a glove if they included Gym Leader rematches, because ORAS specifically sets up Wallace taking over for Steven. You could have Wallace appear as the Champion in E4 rematches, move Steven to Meteor Falls, and have Juan appear in Sootopolis Gym.

And before you counter with "But those things weren't in RS, they want to be as accurate as possible!" that's a shit excuse specifically because THEY ALREADY CHANGED A TON OF SHIT. Adding the Mirage Tower to the desert or letting Juan take Wallace's place at some point would change the game from RS less than areas like Mallville and NPCs like Zinnia do. Honestly if you keep the Delta Episode as a concept you can even include shit that the plot wouldn't allow like Magma Hideout and just have it be an alternate base for your game's team or a base for the opposite team that you can't visit until the Delta Episode, they already referenced Emerald with shit like the shittier Mossdeep takeover and fighting Wallace's Champion team before entering the Sky Pillar.

>It's about what makes a game a more smooth and free experience for players without elements that bog down the game and make it feel like you're fighting against it rather than actually playing it.

But I don't think it makes things smoother. It just makes the game emptier to remove these things, it makes me think "why aren't I just playing Emerald, it has more stuff to do." And others think so too.

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>>29532229
I kinda did throughout most of this thread

>>29527796
I think the music got worse after this. XY was still cool, but SM has the dumbest wildmon music i ever heard

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>>29532168
Tfw ORAS was so bad as a remake, it instantly killed my hype for a Sinnoh remake, whether or not it's announced

>>29532629
The only SM music I've heard and enjoyed has been Team Skull-related. Gladion's battle is going to be hype for the music alone, even if he ends up only having two Pokémon like all trainers the last two Gens.

>>29532629
I kinda really love all the battle themes from Sun and Moon so far. The trainer and wild battle themes sound like nods to Gens 4 and 5 somehow and are very lively. Shit, even X and Y's music was still top tier overall. My only complain is that low Kalos Gym Leader theme that does the total opposite of amping me up.

>>29532604
Oh well maybe I am retarded.

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>>29532168
>>29532661
>tfw the D/P remakes will lack platinum features like the BF
>tfw Ponyta will be the only fire type available before the league besides Chimchar
>tfw we'll get the same D/P pokedex and we'll not a lot of pokemon with gen 4 evolution so we'll get pokemon like Eevee and gen 4 pokemon like Rotom after the league
>tfw no gym leaders and stat trainers rematches
>tfw Volkner and Flint will not use only electric and fire types.
I truly hope they keep platinum features and add new fun stuffs like online contests.

>>29532738
Aren't we all

But yeah, Gen V just seems like that last game where GF tried. Many new Pokemon, story mattered, many small details like the overworld sounds when walking or when near water, THERE WAS A POSTGAME, move tutors, the PWT, the Battle Subway that shits on that repulsively colored Battle Maison, had a cool theme during the Gym Leader's last Pokemon and whenever your HP was red, the region just looked better and felt more lively vs Gen 6's lifeless, still models, we had battle facilities literally dedicated to level grinding, the villain Teams were much more appealing, the rivals, while not the best, were definitely better than those 3 yahoos from elementary school and your sad neighbor, getting BP was easier, Cynthia acts as Red in this game while XY's strongest trainer was just Ms. Background Champion 2013(which I actually loved but was still the biggest background character in existence and only appeared twice before battling her) and well the graphics were slightly more appealing.

At least Gen 6 had better online but eh.

>>29532929
*only 2 Electric and fire types respectively
And
>tfw Team Galactic will only use Wurmple

>>29532987
That's what I think as well about gen 5 and gen 6 overall.

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>>29532929
>tfw the remakes touch nothing related to Platinum in both plot and features
>tfw Fantina is the awkwardly placed 5th gym leader again

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>>29532929
>>29533083
>All the platinum improvements are taken out
>No Battle frontier
>People will defend this by saying "They're D/P remakes not platinum remakes."

>>29532929
>>>tfw the D/P remakes will lack platinum features like the BF
And people will defend it like they do it with ORAS now.

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>>29533135
>>29532929
TFW IT HAS DP LOADING SPEEDS

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>>29533182
>>29533135
This is the part that makes me fear the most for the future.

Not to mention the features they'd remove from even DP, probably

>no Veilstone Game Corner
>Great Marsh is just a route
>no day/night music differences because kids don't appreciate compositional differences
>Mt. Coronet is two short rooms before you get to Snowpoint

>>29533083
>>29533135
>>29533189
>>29533598
Yeah it would be terrible. Also
>We still get HMs like defog or rock climb and nos as tms

>no Veilstone Game Corner
We'll never get a game corner ever again but I hope we'll get at least a minigame like in HG/SS.

>>29532987
>had a cool theme whenever your HP was red

I didn't like it, honestly. It felt more annoying than the normal beeping noise. Maybe I just didn't like it overriding stuff like the Gym Leader music.

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I adored BW1.
But fuck me it has the worst first hour of any Pokémon game, though I don't really remember XY's beginning. BW1 is sooooo fucking boring when you start out

>>29533189
is that arin from game grump
it look like him

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>>29535462
I don't even care if this is bait or not, fuck you

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>>29532929
>>29533083
>>29533135
>The plot will have Mega Evolution shoehorned in like ORAS
>The Game Corner will be closed again, which will be even more jarring than ORAS since it's an entire building and not a lot in a mall
>No Distortion World
>The postgame quest will star Zinnia again and will be another fly everywhere to talk to a person quest about Heatran

>>29535593
>>which will be even more jarring than ORAS since it's an entire building and not a lot in a mall
>implying they won't turn Veilstone into one giant shopping mall with a Team Galactic section

>>29527872

Me too, Anon. BW2 was okay, but BW was a write-off.

>>29535593
>The plot will have Mega Evolution shoehorned in like ORAS
I think you mean Z-moves.

>>29535593
>The postgame quest will star Zinnia again and will be another fly everywhere to talk to a person quest about Heatran

Nah my man, they'll introduce a new character who is Cynthia's cousin that no one has ever seen before but is somehow actually better than Cynthia in every way who will try to save the world from Arceus and whenever she's not around all the other characters will ask "Where's [Cynthia's cousin]?"

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>>29527995
Agreed about the region feeling kinda bland and unmemorable. I had trouble getting past the 3rd badge due to boredom too back when I was bingeing the series.

Though I finished Drayano's hack of the game last month and I can say I had a ton of fun. I still find a lot of aspects of BW2 and Platinum to be better, but I still had a great time.

It's interesting seeing how much people's opinions differ on these games.

>>29529181
Is it weird that I have never used an X item in any pokemon game before?

>>29529775
Yes me too, but I think that only makes that fight even more epic. The risk to lose is higher than any other if you go with him immediately.

I barely won, with lvls 55~60

HGSS best game.

>>29535921
Not really, they look worthless to the untrained eye since you can usually sweep without them and they take one turn to use but only last one battle.

They're overpowered as fuck, though, and they'll especially be such in Gen 7 where they raise a stat by two stages instead of one. I use X Items in difficulty hacks during particularly tough bosses, and it turns them into pushovers. Find a Pokémon that can't OHKO or 2HKO you, spam X (Sp.) Attacks and X Speeds while healing, and then clean house.

>>29532929
DP remakes will have the expanded Platinum Dex and teams will be altered to take advantage of it to an extent, but the Battle Facility from whatever the prior game is will be copypasted and the game structure and story will take more from DP. Personally, I'm fine with that last one, I actually like DP more than Platinum in those regards.

Distortion World may be part of a new post-game story, or even better, its gameplay gimmicks will be reworked into a new dungeon with Dialga or Palkia depending on the version where the current world is strangely distorted by their powers altering time and space respectively.

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>>29527872
good luck grinding that voltorb flip to get a decent TM out of that slow as fuck excuse of a remake

>>29529333
I like to think of them as one game. BW has the better story and characters and BW2 is better in everything else. Since I played BW2 first, I think of BW like a small prequel story that adds to Unova (since I rushed through the game and put it down after credits).

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>>29535921
They're basically item versions of stat boosts, they're pretty worthless to casuals and especially hardcore since you can't use items during competitive play. There's only a select few circumstances they can be used effectively

Since, like stat boosting moves, shit doesn't stick when you switch out. So you have to stock up on a lot

BW1 is literally the worst game and BW2 literally the best, so you're dead wrong.

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>>29531070
Never have I seen someone so assblasted that they'd make a post like this.