I'm sick and tired of the "Pokémon used to be harder"

>>29498841
"b-but anon, m-muh perfect gen 5 that allowed me to increase the levels and do nothing more just so I would be forced to do more "hard"not tedious grinding!"

piss easy =/= the mongoloid one button fest that XY was.

You can be easy without being boring, immersion breaking shitfest like gen 6.

>>29498926
All Pokémon games before XY were exactly that. You're the mongoloid here for not realizing that.

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>>29498887
>he had to grind

>>29498841
Pokemon isn't and never was hard, no turn-based jrpgs is hard. Did you lose the boss fight? Go and grind for 10 minutes.

>>29498926
I'm playing XY without EXP share and it can be challenging considering you're under leveled most of the time

stop being a casual

>>29498941
Platinum was not like that at all, what are you on about. Actually try playing a pokemon game.
There is a huge difference between Platinum and XY.

>>29498926
>piss easy =/= the mongoloid one button
Yes it does, all pokemon games have been about as difficult as playing rock paper scissors against someone who only uses rock.

while you can certainly argue that the games have never been difficult their is no reason why they shouldn't include difficulty levels in order to appeal to a wider audience. including alternate game options would also increase replayability.

for example, after beating the game once you could unlock a nuzlocke like setting, or a setting where you start with a different set of starter pokemon. people put in a lot of effort to artificially create these situations in-game.

>>29498972
I played it without EXP share, without Amie, without catching more than six pokemon and outright avoiding trainers and it was monstrously easier than Emerald or Platinum.

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I remember gen 1. Pick Starter.

YOU WIN cause it can sweep the entire game.
Gen 2 was even worse. Pick Feraligatr? YOU WIN cause it rapes the entire game without ever the need to switch out.

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>>29498841
>Pokémon has ALWAYS been a piss easy casual game for CHILDREN.

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/pokemon-interview
>When did you realize that you Pokemon was a game that would keep people playing into adulthood?
>JM: When we developed Red and Blue we weren't explicitly targeting children.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pokemon-director-explains-why-series-is-becoming-e/1100-6422945/
>"For example, there are so many free games you can play on your phone now, there's so many entertainment options, so making it a little easier to play is the reason for that."

Go back to your denial threads.

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>>29498975
This fucking retard didn't breeze through platinum

if you want hard pokemon games, just wait for super gimp rom hacks, or some pokemon essentials made shit like reborn, instead of bitching.

>>29498972
>challenging
no, it wasn't challenging
but I'm not the retard you're replying to, all of them are piss easy
Exp. Share just cut out all grinding, and if you unironically played with it on and complain about it being too easy, you need to hang yourself

>>29499004
I would like a hard mode where the trainers somewhat scale to your level and any plot important fights are always at, or above your current level average.

It did use to be less easy, but mainline has never been difficult by any stretch.

Honestly maingame would be most fun if opponents actually had full semi-competent teams, and you were fully healed after every battle, so you can go all-out all the time like actual PvP.

>>29499004
>after beating the game once you could unlock a nuzlocke like setting
Just do it on your own retard.

>>29498841
The "every game has the exact same difficulty" things started in Gen 6. I wonder why

The old games were easy and the newer ones are easier

>>29499015
That is what I, the great and mighty Norp call... a gatr roll.

>>29499016
>Didn't make it for children
>Red and Blue are the easiest Pokémon games to beat

>>29499016
>pick starter
>win the game without trying because of how easy it is to overlevel

>>29499083
"b-but anon, if I have to do it myself it's bad game design"

>>29498941
You're literally retarded
Play HGSS or Platinum or Emerald without grinding excessively like the casual you are and see what happens

>>29498841
The developers have literally commented on how they've made it easier over the years.

People aren't making it up. Easy and hard are relative. No, there's never been a "hard" Pokemon game, but they've never been as easy as they were in Gen 6, either.

>>29498841
The fuck are you talking about? Gen 4 isn't easy. Just because you decided to go with the same 3 cookie cutter sweeper mons and/or overleveled for that matter doesn't mean the game is easy with any combination of the Sinnoh dex.

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>>29498841
>older gens were objectively harder
>kids beat older gens just fine
>"IT'S A GAME FOR KIDS IT SHOULD BE EASIER"

Something doesn't add up

>>29498841
It was easy, they had slightly harder games in Platinum/BW/BW2

>inb4 3 Pokemon
Clay's Excadrill is fucking rough

Then they went full retard in gen 6 with 350% free exp. Removing the overleveled starter check, petal dance only Roserade, 2 trainers with 6 Pokemon ect.

Hell did anyone even have 5 in the game? Lysandre and elite 4 are the only ones with 4

>>29498887
You don't have to grind that much, and even if you do, the battles in gen 5 are fast paced and varied enough to not be tedious.

>>29499060
Platinum is way less of a breeze than XY. How can anyone even deny that

>>29499180
Its because the first part of your statement is wrong.

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>hacked hydreigon used dragon pulse
>Reshiram/Zekrom fainted
>Hydreigon used dragon pulse

>>29498972
I played without the EXP share and was still over leveled for most of XY

>>29499166
>>29499173
No, these games are easy for them because they go catch a Pokemon specifically to beat a gym leader and grind for the ones they can't beat, and then complain that the games were easy.

If you play with a set team and minimize grinding and THEN play the games, you see a huge difference between Gens 3/4/5 and 6.

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>There is people right now that haven't beaten pokemon stadium 2 round 2 and all the gym castle that still call the new games "2easy"
Holy shit

>>29499216
It's objectively true. Emerald and Platinum are both far harder than gen 6.
Even according to Masuda's own words. Give it up, retard.

>>29499232
Iirc Japan kids actually complained Ghetsis was too hard

>>29499216
Newer games have gym leaders that never go over 3 mins and E4 members that never go over 4

Only one gym leader in XY has a team where all their Pokemon have 4 moves

XY just throws incredibly strong mins at you from early game with no rhyme or reason

ORAS forces legendaries on your team twice. You could box Lati@s but you can't not use Mega Fug in the Zinnia fight

>>29499203
>Clay's Excadrill

I one shotted every Pokemon he had with an Acrobatics Emolga.

>>29499338
Like BW it kinda made sense but was still annoying for it's dex size

BW2 fixed it in a retarded way

XY having the biggest dex in the series with the smallest gyms is bullshit

>>29499240
I beat the entire gen 6 league with an underleveled krookodile. I never had to switch or heal, I used two moves the entire time. I was 10 levels under everything and I still one shotted it all. It didn't have moxie, before you ask.
I did it again with an unleveled scizor and just bullet punched everything, even all elite 4 that resisted bullet punch still died. It's retarded how weak the XY league is.

>>29499016
They didn't make it for children yet somehow RBY were the easiest games in the series.

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>>29498887
I'll be honest and say that I had a bit of trouble with gen 5.

I tried to train everything I caught and it left my team hilariously underleveled and spread thin.

>>29499240
Yeah, I've said Gen 4 wasn't easy once (it wasn't a complaint, I was enjoying it) and I was showered with 'get X mon' posts. Like nigga why the hell would I do that? I already picked a team I'm going to use with a pretty wide coverage and little to no shitmons and it still wasn't easy. I didn't go picking mons having in mind what's the next gym because that's just what the game throws your way, and you're supposed to be ready to deal with it whatever the situation. Hell, I even had to get a lucky egg from wild chansey because it's literally impossible to not be underleveled by the 6th gym with a team of 5. Saying it was easy just because you used a baby mindset to solve problems and went the shortest route is bullshit.

>>29499436
Nah, RBY was easy, but sheer virtue of bugs makes it not as easy as the stream lined xp factory that XY is. Every fucking thing you do gives you exp, if you don't know what you're doing from the start, you get overleveled if you so much as breathe incorrectly.

>>29498841
>Pokémon has ALWAYS been a piss easy casual game for CHILDREN.
>I never played Yellow or Black/White and 2 the post.

>>29499396
Gen V was a middle ground between 3/4 and 6. I noticed it felt a tiny bit easier but it wasn't so easy that it started to be an issue. Though both games had me on the same level as the E4 by the time I got to Victory Road which meant I had to avoid the trainers or I'd pass them. Those are the only games where that happened.

>>29499338
Which reminds me, allowing you to battle the E4 in any order messed things up too, because now they get progressively easier rather than progressively harder.

You can say you find the games equally difficult, but there are very real changes that have only serves to make themganes easier

>>29499485
Yeah, these people make the game easier for themselves then complain when others are not doing that. Of course Whitney is easy if you caught a Geodude or Machop specifically to deal with her.

>>29499356
I just did the calculation

At level 48 with a 252+ adamant Emolga vs no iv's on the Excadrill at level 31

You have ~20% to OHKO

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If you want difficulty, play a hack, PVP, or a different RPG series. Pokemon has always been about comfy, empowering adventures about saving the world with your trusty pets, and there's nothing wrong with that.

>>29499436
>>29499131

I started Pokemon with Gen II at age 8 and never played R/B until they came out on the VC this year. They were the hardest Pokemon games I've played for years, much harder than Gen IV and above.

Maybe I'm just bad at Pokemon, but even my karenfag team of unviable shitmons ripped through OR/AS and X/Y like they were nothing.

>>29498887
You chose the gen with the fastest battles and the most places to train up quickly as the gen to complain about tedium?

>>29499434
I don't remember how my Kalos league went, but I remember thinking the types they chose for the Unova E4 weren't good because it was all those niche types to the point where I could beat them all with one team. Dark, Ghost and Psychic Ade all types that the same kinds of Pokemon will have moves for so I found out my team was perfect to beat them all. Besides that I got a Golurk with Fly for Marshall and it was easy. Don't remember how many tries it took, but I'm thinking at least 2 since I remember getting a fan rotom just for extra Marshall security too

>>29499599
dubs confirms getting a pokemon for a specific gym is for retards

>>29498841
This. It's the same misconception with Neo Nintendo.

>>29499434
What did you do against King's Shield, you liar?

>>29499887
Not him, but earthquake obviously

Kings shield doesn't affect that

>>29498972
>challenging
How

>>29499887
Earthquake, you chimp.
>GF dicksuckers are this terrible at this game

>>29499999
>>29500000

>>29499978
I want that

People like the OP are the most retarded.

Jesus fuck I hate you people so much. You are objectively wrong and too thick headed to get your head out of your ass and see it. Go die in a fire.

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>>29500001
Awwwwwww fuck me

>>29498841
>Pokémon has ALWAYS been a piss easy casual game for CHILDREN.
Battling against Brock and Misty with Charmander in Gen I is pretty hard because no Grass/Water-types available that early for Brock and you only have Pikachu and Oddish/Bellsprout for Misty.

People always say Whitney is hard, but the thing is that between Attract, Milk Drink, and Rollout, she is annoying and the only Fighting-type available before her is trade only an can only be male so Miltank's Attract will always shot it down. Morty's Gengar will always do a OHKO against most of your team and Umbreon, a Friendship evolution, is the only Dark-type available in Johto.

Even with Treecko and Mudkip, Nosepass is hard to wear it down. When you arrive there, your strongest STAB is 40 BP (20 for Treecko) while Nosepass' is 50/60 BP and has a high chance of reducing Speed.

Don't forget about Roark's Cranidos, Gardenia's Roserade, Fantina's Mismagius, Lenora's Watchog, Elesa's Emolgas, or Roxie if you chose Snivy.

>>29499946
>>29499919
Obviously talking about the Scizor. It does learn Night Slash though.

>>29500273
>Battling against Brock and Misty with Charmander in Gen I is pretty hard because no Grass/Water-types available that early for Brock
You could spam Ember against his team's shitty Special.

Gengar's STAB ran off of it's shitty ATK back then and was almost shut down by Normals barring Hypnosis and Dream Eater

Muscle the Machop was always female so you don't have to worry about Attract and just Low Kick Miltank

And the rest of the mons you listed are piss easy and have mons on the routes nearby to deal with them

>>29500273
Also Bugsy's Fury Cutter Scythed or Clair in general. Chuck's paralysis Dynamic Punch too.

>>29498945
SMT would like a word with you.

>>29500273
Brock gets 2HKOed by a fucking Nidoran of the same level. Onix is a shitmon.

>>29500273
>>29500428
see
>>29499015

>>29498841
As autistic as you sound right now op I actually agree with you. Alot of people who have played Pokémon since the beginning stopped after around hg/ss because they thought 1.the games were too easy because of how fucking hard heart gold and soul silver were
2. They only looked at garbodor and thought gen 5 (which had fairly difficult games) was the absolute worst generation ever without even giving everything else a chance or even looking to see how the gen 5 games even were so they skipped over gen 5 suddenly got back into Pokémon played gen six and then hated it again because it was too easy. It was their first time making main series Pokémon games on the 3ds. It's not easy to model out each Pokémon and give them animations and make a whole game within a certain time slot. cut gamefreak a break huh?

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>>29498945
>>29500462
SRPGs can get pretty nuts too

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>>29499015
Gen 3 was the same with Swampert

>>29500487
I'll do you one better and say Mankey's Low Kick

Using less Pokemon makes every game easier. Obviously using only one Mon means you surpass everything in levels

>>29500413
>its easy if you catch specific Mons to beat them

We'll no shit. That was already brought up

>>29500273
Crasher Wake's fucking Gyarados and Candice's Froslass with Snow Cloak and double team spam after Abomasnow Hail Warning.

>>29500642
So does Gen 4 with Infernape or Empoleon, and Gen 6 with Chesnaught and Greninja.

Gen 5 cant do it as easy because without hidden abilities the starters arent that great.

>>29500413
see >>29499829

>>29500757
Even if you don't go and catch specific mons, Majority of the Gym leaders were that hard to begin with.

Fuck, you don't even need 2X DMG to get shit done, just throw out a Pokemon who takes and deal Neutral STAB and all you need to do is press one Button.

>>29500273
Elesa was the worst thing ever for me. I brought a Sandile and even with Eviolite it got trashed by those Emolgas.

>>29500851
I never complained that the games were too easy or too hard, Wouldn't that make people who don't catch the mons to beat the gyms retards? You don't have to keep the mon, just use it for the gym and box it in the PC.

>>29498975
>Platinum was not like that at all
Platinum was one of the easiest games because the starters were just about effective against everything. Especially if you picked Infernape.
Not to mention they dropped the levels from DP.

>>29500642
route 110 rival

>>29500894
No, because that is literally how a retard plays. No different from catching a legendary to sweep the entire game.

>>29500945
>He didn't use a Swellow

>>29500905
Of course if you use one fucking overlevelled Pokemon the game will be easy. Platinum is probably the most difficult Pokemon game (except maybe hard mode BW2), I'm playing through it right now and it has decent challenges unlike XY/ORAS.

I don't understand how anyone can argue the games aren't easier when ORAS is straight up much easier than the games it's a remake of. Christ people, just because the games have never been super difficult doesn't mean it's okay to make them even easier. Isn't that a good argument that they shouldn't be made easier?

>>29500905
Are you kidding me? Platinum had the only game AI that would actually bother switching pokemon, not to mention that there were a shit ton of encounters that would ass ram your starters.
I don't understand how kalosperms can think with this gigantic cock through their brain.

>>29500956
Explain to me why it's dumb.

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>>29500945
rookie mistake. Only one flaw and it's easily fixable by teaching Swampert Ice Beam later on.

>>29501006
>>29501007
Holy fuck, the games never been hard to begin with, were you both fucking retards who had their older brothers play the game for them when shit got too hard?

>>29500542
Fucking hate that chapter

>>29501018
Because if you have to go out of your way and catch a pokémon that wasn't part of the team you built, you're basically giving up and saying 'ahh fuck it lol I can't do this shit with my mons let's just pick up whatever's close and get this over with'. Therefore, admitting to a battle being difficult.

>>29501057
We're not saying the games were hard, we're saying that they weren't as easy as gen 6 was. I know this nuance is lost on you malnourished south americans, but please keep up.

>>29501057
You're an idiot who couldn't even bother reading through 4 sentences.

>>29501057
>hikers spamming selfdestruct
>not hard

>>29501006
Dominant strategy look it up

>when ORAS is straight up much easier than the games it's a remake of
Okay.
One, who's talking about ORAS
Two, literally every trainer after the half way point was buffed from their RSE versions. Even a few before that were buffed.

>>29501007
>Platinum had the only game AI that would actually bother switching pokemon
And do them no good because they had teams of the exact same type that you could sweep with no issue whatsoever because your mon could get insane coverage, especially with the tutors in the game and then there's Infernape that gets STAB mach punch. And again Plat dropped the levels for just about everything the only exceptions being battles that didn't exist in DP like Cyrus' third battle. Everything else dropped.

>>29501102
>>29501095
No, fuck off with your "The games were harder back then" BS. They were all piss easy and you're wearing your nostalgia goggles on too hard.

>>29501124
>what is damp
>what is mach punch
>what is grass type
>what is water type
If you got done in by a self destruct you're more retarded than I thought.

>>29501145
Hola Pablo, I need you to read this slowly, alright.

Gamefreak themselves have said they've made the games easier.

I just replayed both X and Platinum last week and there was a noticeable difference in difficulty.

Platinum is easy, but it is not as easy as XY.

Please go back to starving in your favela.

That's like being in a fairly hot country at the peak of summer. It's 38 degrees Celsius and you are fucking dying, so you complain that it's too hot. Then OP comes in and shouts
>This country was NEVER cold, if you want the cold then move to Iceland

But not even 4 months ago it was a pleasant 22 degrees. Sure, it wasn't really cold and you won't freeze to death any time soon, but it was cooler than the current 38 degrees. But to people like OP, it wasn't the absolute extreme, so in his fucked up view nothing changed.

>>29501145
I am literally doing a playthrough of Platinum right now. I've also recently played AS and W2. There's no fucking comparison, the game have definitely gotten MUCH easier in gen 6.

>>29501139
Doesn't matter if the trainers are higher levels if you're twice their level from getting forcefed XP. Even without EXPshare, you're still overleveled beyond words.

Its almost like games feel harder when you don't know much about them and are 10 or below

>>29501217
It's almost like people frequently play older games along with the new ones and can properly compare them, you redditor chimp.

>>29501185
Fucking wrong, Plat is just as easy as XY cause of the level scaling and the Pokemon available to you along with the TMs, Items, etc.

Fucking starters can breeze through the entire game with Staraptor if they want to...You get Gible after the 2nd gym and the EQ TM in the same cave.

Drown on horsesperm, you dumb bitch

>>29501164
But if you're training properly, a pokémon with a SE move isn't always first in the party, and by the time you switch in you were always done in by a selfdestruct. Plus there is no way to know which pokémon a trainer is going to have if it's first in the party too. That's not how difficulty works, you autistic dumbass.

>>29501250
Don't talk to me about level scaling. In platinum, you aren't 10 levels above the champion like XY leaves you.
Trainers actually have more than 3 pokemon in platinum.
Trainers actually switch in platinum.
The routes are actually longer than your dick in platinum.
You don't get your rival healing you every 3 steps in platinum.
You don't get access to 700 BST pokemon within the first 15 minutes in Platinum.

>>29501279
If you're coming across a fucking Hiker, than odds are you know what Mons they are known to have, Therefore, switch your team.

>>29501309
Don't forget there isn't exp scaling so if you're underleveled fuck yourself, you're going to stay underleveled unless you use less pokémon or grind like hell

>>29499214
This. Compared to Gen VI E4 champions like Cynthia were no joke. You're lying to yourself if you think the newer games are on par (in terms of difficulty) to the older games. The older games were objectively harder.

and yeah, you can only have 2 pokemon in your party and breeze through any pokemon game, but if you're playing the game the way its suppose to be played (full team before the 5 gym or so) the game can be quite the challenge if you're a bit below or at the level of the gym leaders. When I played XY in that matter it was still a breeze with its "two pokemon per gym leader" formula

>>29501309
>Don't talk to me about level scaling. In platinum, you aren't 10 levels above the champion like XY leaves you.
Bitch, turn the fucking EXP.Share off, I can easily be equal or below her level.

>Trainers actually have more than 3 pokemon in platinum.
They also tend to share the same type and or have a bunch of weakmons to give you the false sense of a challenge majority of the time

>The routes are actually longer than your dick in platinum.
Once again, False sense of challenge. I can walk 10000 miles of nothing or walk 1000 miles filled with hella trainers, what the fuckiing difference?

>>29501309
>You don't get your rival healing you every 3 steps in platinum.
You get paired with stat trainers that heal you after every battle.

>You don't get access to 700 BST pokemon within the first 15 minutes in Platinum.
You get fucking Gible in Plat after the 2nd gym, you fucking retard...You can't read?

Fucking dumbass


>Trainers actually switch in platinum.
And then that Pokemon get OHKO from an attack or take DMG anyway...Leaving them in a disadvantage spot

>>29501317
That's not the point. You wouldn't think a route trainer would use such move, which I remind you is a 200 BP move (I've even been used explosion on - 250 BP), much less early on game. Galactic scientists use X Special or whatever and then start sweeping. Like someone else mentioned, they're also allowed to switch in. And gym leaders once you spam a move like say, iron defense against physical attacks, they instantly (and I mean it, there's no attack chosen at random) switch to a special one. Again, that's not how difficulty works.

>>29501456
If you know the Pokemon's levelup pool, then you can guess what moves they would have by that point. The only exceptions to this are Cool/Ace Trainers

Trainers who waste a turn on X Items usually end up losing anyway cause they waste a turn setting up instead of attacking.

>>29501309
>Don't talk to me about level scaling. In platinum, you aren't 10 levels above the champion like XY leaves you.
You are if you put in the additional grind. Which is the only way you're going to be like that in recent games. Not even abusing the EXP share gets you 10 levels over.
>Trainers actually have more than 3 pokemon in platinum.
You do realise that fodder mon doesn't make the game more difficult when you're just going to breeze past them anyway right?
>Trainers actually switch in platinum.
Yeah because giving you a free turn is the best idea. Call me back when they're packing priority moves and and IV/EV trained sets with competent AI.
>The routes are actually longer than your dick in platinum.
There's only two that's longer than your average route, the snow route and the one before solaceon.
>You don't get your rival healing you every 3 steps in platinum.
Actually, you do. Not to mention if you're partnered up with someone they heal your mon when you exit a battle.
>You don't get access to 700 BST pokemon within the first 15 minutes in Platinum.
You don't in any other game either with that said though you can obtain the pseudo very, very early in the game unlike others where they're often hidden away in hard to reach places.

>>29501543
Usually, you said it yourself. But for someone unprepared it can surprise take down one or two of your pokemon. And that's the thing, in later games, even if you're not prepared that's not something that is likely to happen.

What are you going to tell me next? You know all the level up moves for all 400 pokémon in Sinnoh?
Fuck off with your flawed difficulty concept
Newsflash, if a game requires you to know the entire movepool of a pokémon, it's difficult.

>>29501633
Dumbass, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to find out what a Pokemon is capable of. You should know by now of what Trainer classes are known for, Hikers using Rock-Ground/Fighting Pokemon, Bikers with Poison/Fighting, Youngsters/Lasses with Fodder mons, Etc.

>>29501610
? You don't get healed by your rival at all. Even when going up all Mt. Coronet and fighting Team Galactic throughout, once you reach Sky Pillar to battle Jupiter and Mars with Barry you're left at your mercy with whichever state your Pokémon are in. You're only healed once you're done and enter Distortion World. Also Jupiter brings a Skuntank and Mars a Purugly (that can outspeed most pseudos). This only says you're talking out of your ass without having actually played the game recently.

>>29501411
Yeah, of course a game is going to be easier if you use only one or two mons. The difference in difficulty really shows when you use 5/6 Pokemon. I had full teams in Y and AS, and was occasionally switching out mons, and my teams were still never underlevelled.

In most pre-gen 6 games, if you have a full team the games will be decently challenging. I'm not saying they're super difficult but they're piss easy either. It's more fun than way, I don't understand why GF felt the need to make easy games easier, it's not like millions of children haven't played through previous games just fine.

>>29501633
>Usually, you said it yourself.
Not him but those few circumstances where one would lose is mostly due to a dumb player mistake like a misclick or something.
Why do you think no one found Norman's gym tough despite every trainer leading up to him using stat up items? After all going in you have no idea you'll be going up against opponents that do that so your team is completely unprepared.

> You know all the level up moves for all 400 pokémon in Sinnoh?
Obviously no one knows every level up move by heart but come on, you're trying to say that an extremely common tactic across the gens is somehow surprising. Unless it was your first game you shouldn't be losing against it.
That said every mon has a move or theme attached to it and it's not hard to remember what does what.

>Newsflash, if a game requires you to know the entire movepool of a pokémon, it's difficult.
So what, are you trying to say that every Pokemon game is difficult? Because that's not exclusive to Platinum hell any first run of a game you should be instinctively remembering what a Pokemon can learn because it's been 20 years of the series.
Judging difficulty on that is absolutely ridiculous.

>>29501797
*but they're not

>>29501797
>I'm not saying they're super difficult but they're piss easy either.
I'm guessing you mean to put a not there.
And you're still wrong, any and all Pokemon game is piss easy save for a handful of spin offs.

>>29501738
Even if a pokemon is capable of doing X thing, saying it's easy when it uses high end moves and combos leading you to using specific pokémon as your only option, is ultimately retarded.

>>29501446
>Bitch, turn the fucking EXP.Share off, I can easily be equal or below her level.

I played without touching amie, without catching any more than 6 pokemon TOTAL, and avoiding pokemon battles and I was right at her level.
>They also tend to share the same type and or have a bunch of weakmons to give you the false sense of a challenge majority of the time
They switch to resist attacks, you chimp. That's how the AI works.
>Once again, False sense of challenge. I can walk 10000 miles of nothing or walk 1000 miles filled with hella trainers, what the fuckiing difference?
The difference is that Platinum actually had trainers with pokemon and you didn't have your butt buddy "rivals" healing you every single route.

>You get paired with stat trainers that heal you after every battle.
Happens rarely as opposed to the every single route in XY.
>You get fucking Gible in Plat after the 2nd gym, you fucking retard...You can't read?
A gible you have to evolve. This is fucking different than a 700 BST mega in the first 15 minutes.
>And then that Pokemon get OHKO from an attack or take DMG anyway...Leaving them in a disadvantage spot
They switched into resisted attacks.

>>29501860
You don't have to use a Water/Grass Pokemon on a Rock/Ground mon....You can just use a Special-based attacker and OHKO them right there.

>>29501860
>and combos
The only time a computer trainer has EVER used a combo is during the gen 3 and by extension ORAS contests.

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>>29500805
and even then Samurott isn't a complete shitmon like Serp and Emboar

>play through BW2 again
>decide to use Tepig because I've never used one
>mfw everything outsped and 2hko it

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>denying the games are easier when Masuda has explicitly stated they are intentionally making the games easier

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pokemon-director-explains-why-series-is-becoming-e/1100-6422945/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pokemon-director-explains-why-series-is-becoming-e/1100-6422945/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pokemon-director-explains-why-series-is-becoming-e/1100-6422945/

>>29501805
That's a different game. I don't actually remember normal gym trainers, but if I recall correctly they don't use moves that do them much justice. You get outright sweeped in platinum by X Special + Psychic, which is something even E4 doesn't do.
Extremely common? Like hell it is. If anything it could be you that haven't been playing the games recently, trainers in the next games do not come up with that bullshit at all.
No, it isn't ridiculous, because it's judging the game based on the actual gameplay. Did you even read? I said if a game requires you to know the entire movepools. I didn't say games after that required it.

>>29501944
>masuda
>not being the epitome of failure
That said he literally can't make the game any easier than it has been for the last 20 years. Hell we still haven't returned to gen 1 levels of ease.

>>29501909
>They switch to resist attacks, you chimp. That's how the AI works.
And I'm sure a seasoned player like you would have a Type coverage move to handle said switch in, right?

>A gible you have to evolve. This is fucking different than a 700 BST mega in the first 15 minutes.
A Gible that was in the same cave with fucking Earthquake, Already packing a powerful STAB

>They switched into resisted attacks.
Once again, You would have type coverage moves and not have your team with all STAB like a retard...Pretty sure you're not that dumb

>>29501610
>You are if you put in the additional grind. Which is the only way you're going to be like that in recent games. Not even abusing the EXP share gets you 10 levels over.
Mate, XY gives you XP for catching pokemon, bonus XP for using amie and the bonus XP from the EXPshare. All the bonuses together brings you to 5x the XP of a normal game. If you don't avoid literally every single feature of XY, you're going to end up over leveled.
>You do realise that fodder mon doesn't make the game more difficult when you're just going to breeze past them anyway right?
Having more pokemon does not mean they're fodder. It's also wasted PP. I know kalosperms don't know what that is since they get healed every 2 steps.

>Yeah because giving you a free turn is the best idea. Call me back when they're packing priority moves and and IV/EV trained sets with competent AI.
Here I'll call you now. Cynthia has that.

>Actually, you do. Not to mention if you're partnered up with someone they heal your mon when you exit a battle.
Tiny quest lines, as opposed to every route in XY.

>You don't in any other game either with that said though you can obtain the pseudo very, very early in the game unlike others where they're often hidden away in hard to reach places.
You get Megas almost immediately in XY and ORAS. All of them having 600 + BST. They're handled to you as opposed to actually having to go catch the gible.

>>29501917
That's only if you're overleveled. And if you're overleveled, then of course it's going to be easy. But in Platinum you're not likely to be, at all. Therefore, competing under the same conditions, it's not easy.

>>29501933
False. There's no way you can say if you've been playing it.

>>29502011
>And I'm sure a seasoned player like you would have a Type coverage move to handle said switch in, right?
>Once again, You would have type coverage moves and not have your team with all STAB like a retard...Pretty sure you're not that dumb
Again, Platinum trainers actually had pokemon, so you had to use PP more often. Moves will run out of PP eventually. If your coverage moves are out, that means you have to make a switch yourself.

>A Gible that was in the same cave with fucking Earthquake, Already packing a powerful STAB
A fucking Gible is jackshit compared to a 700 BST mega with monstrous abilities and offensive power. Gible has the same BST as the rest of your pokemon when you catch it.
Any of the megas you get handled to you in Gen 6 have twice the BST of the average NPC pokemon.

>>29501983
So you are more correct and know more about the series than the director of the games?

>>29502050
say that*

>>29502050
Nigga, I can have a Kadabra beat a Graveler a couple levels above it cause of it's shitty SPD and Kadabra's SPA.

>>29502113
Ah, there we go. Like I said earlier, the same cookie cutter 3 sweepers. Just because it's easy with 2-3 pokémon in an entire dex of 400, doesn't mean the game is easy. That's a shit concept of difficulty.

>>29502059
>Again, Platinum trainers actually had pokemon, so you had to use PP more often. Moves will run out of PP eventually. If your coverage moves are out, that means you have to make a switch yourself.
There's no challenge in keeping stock of your PPs in the game considering that they toss you free Ethers and Elixers on the ground
And you wouldn't even need to make a switch for your PP-Starved attacks cause why else would you use them if your STABs can do more damage other than type coverage?

>A fucking Gible is jackshit compared to a 700 BST mega with monstrous abilities and offensive power. Gible has the same BST as the rest of your pokemon when you catch it.
No shit, dumbass. But the Gible comes after the 2nd gym which is like 10-12 mins in the game barring no grinding with EQ...That's a pseudo with the strongest STAB you can get. You have to wait much longer to get MegaLuke and Mega Eon twin in XY and ORAS

>>29502113
Also
>a couple levels above it
Which even then isn't possible if you're running a 4+ pokémon team, you're at best at the same level. And good luck not getting rekt by a SD/Explosion with Kadabra's shitty defense. You're just proving my point by now.

>>29498841
Keep in mind a "it was harder when I was a kid" player usually means "I was stuck in my house and thought that was the entire game"

>>29502142
Ok, I can use a Mr.Mime or any other Psychic mon that can be shit and do the same thing.

Hell, I don't need to use a Psychic mon and use a Dark mon. You want that?

WHat's your argument here? It's a fucking Hiker, ofc you're not gonna lead off with a Mon that have it's STAB resisted by Rock....Lead off with something else

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>>29501971
>You get outright sweeped in platinum by X Special + Psychic
You're joking right?
Until Reuniclus Psychic types outside of legendaries were incredibly frail I think the only one that could surive a decent hit was Heatproof Bronzong and surprisingly it has extremely shit special attack so it can't kill even when boosted. That one item use guarantees that Pokemon will faint on the same turn especially when an experieced player is playing.
In the case it's not a Psychic type it doesn't have the STAB necessary to kill.

>Extremely common? Like hell it is
Hikers using Selfdestruct isn't a new strategy anon. It's been seen for years.
In fact early artwork and cards had the Geodude line exploding or knowing Self Destruct. The only reason you would think it's uncommon is if you started playing with Gen 4.

>No, it isn't ridiculous, because it's judging the game based on the actual gameplay
Except it is, no game requires you to know the entire movepools but as a veteran player you should know a fair bit about what pokemon can and can't learn with the exception of moves added in the new gen. Especially the common moves.

>Did you even read?
Did you? Because no one ever said that you needed to learn the ENTIRE movepool to get by. Using that logic every game is difficult because you as the player remember what's been used in the past.

>>29502195
If I have 4+ Pokemon, you think I'm gonna grind until my team are at an equal level? No I won't...Plus you really think the AI is gonna choose SD/Explosion when it could Magnitude or be a dumbass and use Defense Curl? Like most AI do?


You're overestimating the AI here

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>>29498841
>tfw realize pokemon was always easy and that I just got smarter
Why am I not allowed to not have a more difficult game then? At least B/W2 gave me a taste of what COULD be.

>>29502312
Gamefreak take one step forward and a couple more back sadly

>>29502192
>There's no challenge in keeping stock of your PPs in the game considering that they toss you free Ethers and Elixers on the ground
Ethers and Elixers are one of the rarest consumables. Most pokemon games have you find 5-8 max before the league.
>And you wouldn't even need to make a switch for your PP-Starved attacks cause why else would you use them if your STABs can do more damage other than type coverage?
All depends on the kind of pokemon you're fighting in the route you're in. Most routes don't involve just spamming stab moves.

>No shit, dumbass. But the Gible comes after the 2nd gym which is like 10-12 mins in the game barring no grinding with EQ...That's a pseudo with the strongest STAB you can get. You have to wait much longer to get MegaLuke and Mega Eon twin in XY and ORAS

Gible has 420 BST. Same BST as your starter at this point.
This is fucking nothing compared to a 625-700 BST monster handed to you by the 3rd gym.
Most of the pokemon you fight at this point don't even break half that BST.

>>29502312
That's what I want. I hope they will give us the challenge mode again and this time at the beginning.

>>29502195
>Which even then isn't possible if you're running a 4+ pokémon team
You've never played Platinum have you there's more than enough trainers scattered about the region to level up on and the game even promoted that because seeing every pokemon in the game is the only way to unlock the post game.

>And good luck not getting rekt by a SD/Explosion with Kadabra's shitty defense.
You don't have to survive it anon, you just have to kill it first and wouldn't you know it a Kadabra uninvested with 0IVs CAN kill a Graveler before it can use it.

>>29499500
>but sheer virtue of bugs makes it not as easy as the stream lined xp factory that XY is
Ironically it's the bugs and poor decisions that make it easy. You can just pick up any Pokemon and accidentally abuse something you had no knowledge of and breeze through the game in about 3 hours.

>>29502235
No, you can't. Like I said, you're talking out of your ass without actually having played the game recently. And no, I didn't not use a pokémon with STAB resisted by rock, I'm not retarded. I statted my argument several times and in different scenarios and each time you failed to counter them with something solid... you're not even paying attention anymore so I'm not sure what's the point, really.

>>29502254
Still, it's a combination that recent games are far from using.
Well that's exactly what I'm saying, after gen 4 trainers don't use those moves anymore. That's even the entire point of this whole thread, latest games are easy and former ones weren't. Just becase you expect a move doesn't mean the game is easy, it's easy if it doesn't use it. That's like saying 'haha yeah I know which moves the frontier brains use, they're easy'.
>As a veteran player
So you're actually recognizing it requires you to have some beforehand knowledge of the moves it's going to use. Also if you have to be a veteran player, then that requires no 'fair bit' of knowledge. You're proving my point by now as well.

>>29502312
What is this Challenge Mode is hard meme? I played it and the higher levels just make it easier to be over levelled. Pokemon main series will never be hard without self imposed challenges.

>>29502289
Then you're most likely to be fucked if you're underleveled. Yes, it is. I'm not overestimating it, I'm describing it for what I saw with my own eyes. If you didn't see that, you must have not touched it recently.

>>29502444
No, there aren't. Because I did run such team and there aren't enough trainers. It seems like you haven't played it, let me remind you that there's also no experience scaling because you're bound to get the same amount of experience with an underleveled pokémon than if you do it with a same leveled one. And trainers give very little.
Again, find another Pokémon that can do that and isn't grouped with the regular 2-3 sweepers. You can't. You keep ignoring what I'm saying.

>>29502192
>You have to wait much longer to get MegaLuke and Mega Eon twin in XY and ORAS
You can also get Bagon and Axew( I know Axew is not a pseudo but still) quite early in XY.

Of course these pokemon are strong but it's not comparable to Mega Lucario/Latios/Latias.

They are optional but I don't see why we got these pokemon just like that.
I don't really give a shit about this but a legendary or a strong fully evolved pokemon who have access to Mega shouldn't be given in the early/middle game in my opinion.
I just don't see the point.

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>People debating whether or not the games have gotten easier despite the creators themselves admitting they have made it easier on purpose.

Just give it up. This energy is better spent on starting a partition, getting on twitter or otherwise contacting GameFreak/TPCi and making our voices heard that we want a challenge mode for the main story. It's not impossible, they've already tried it once in B/W and it doesn't have to compromise any gameplay for the kids or ruin anyone else's game or anything like that.

Honestly say what you want about them as devs, but GameFreak are pretty reasonable people when it comes to looking at how different people play and trying to accommodate them. If the fans make their requests known, they will deliver something - it doesn't have to be a hostile act of self-entitlement with people shitting down their throat. Just tweet @ masuda that you enjoyed S/M but wish there was a more challenging main story, I guarantee if enough people do it himself or Ohmori will be happy to do their best to implement it.

>>29502312
I want dynamic AI, not a Sitrus berry on the final monster and one extra Pokemon.

>>29501938
Samurott still has its very weak places, mostly as Dewott.

>Dewott vs Burgh
>Dewott vs Elesa

To be fair though, all the starters hate fighting Elesa.

>>29502758
Dewott is fucked against Elesa, I was also bringing an Archen (my team wasn't complete yet) that I didn't want to evolve yet to not make it too easy and it was hard as balls. Also Dewott versus Burgh can be hard but if you want to know a little hax just spam fury cutter on Whirlipede until it dies and then Leavanny gets one shot lol

>>29502503
>Still, it's a combination that recent games are far from using.
>Well that's exactly what I'm saying, after gen 4 trainers don't use those moves anymore.
Way to move the goal posts. We're talking about games up to platinum when it comes to common movesets as they're the ones being used to prove it's common.
And that just kind of proves you're relatively new to the franchise compared to the rest of us seeing as you lacked this common knowledge.

>Well that's exactly what I'm saying, after gen 4 trainers don't use those moves anymore.
You mean gen 5. Needless to say that gen 5 had a better balance of moves than gen 4 did not including challenge mode changes. But this has nothing to do with the current conversation.

>That's even the entire point of this whole thread, latest games are easy and former ones weren't.
The point of the thread is that pokemon has always been piss easy from day one and that hasn't changed a bit. It has always been a game where the main brunt of it is just picking a move and mashing your way to victory. The only thing that changed is the length of the battles as they lowered the length of battles by removing the majority of multiple mon.

For example
Say a trainer has Six caterpie and you have an Monferno with fire punch. You're going to demolish them but it's going to be long because there's six Pokemon
Now though there's trainers with three caterpie, it's going to be considerably shorter than the previous setting as there's only three pokemon to deal with.
Basically what they're doing is cutting down on the fodder mon and copies as shown by Gen 5 and ORAS (to an extent as it's a remake) as they have decent movesets behind it without the extras. XY is a whole different story because the 3D took up a lot of resources and manpower.

>So you're actually recognizing it requires you to have some beforehand knowledge of the moves it's going to use.
No, I'm saying that as a veteran player you'll remember anyway

>>29498841
>breeze through x and y without losing a single battle when it comes out
>play red last year and struggle with some gym leaders and the e4 takes multiple attempts

hmmm

>>29502721
>not a Sitrus berry on the final monster and one extra Pokemon.
Give it up, we're not getting BW2 ever again anon.

>>29502719
>>People debating whether or not the games have gotten easier despite the creators themselves admitting they have made it easier on purpose.
You should probably pay attention to the game rather than what they say.

When they said they're making it easier, they don't mean they're simplifying the game. They're saying they're making it easier to get into and less of a chore. A direct consequence of gen 4 might I add.

>>29502872
>breezing through XY yet struggling with the easiest pokemon game
Something doesn't add up here.

>>29502825
How am I moving the goal posts? You're not even reading my arguments. Again, just because it's common knowledge doesn't mean it's easy. I'm not new at all, don't jump into conclusions just because I happen to have a different point of view from yours. I never said it was an uncommon technique, I said it was one that isn't used in the newer games, which are easier.
No, not at all. I just finished gen 5 and it was easy because trainers didn't bother using good attacks at all, unless they were a leader or something. And I'm finishing gen 4 now, so I can make a clear comparison.
>the main brunt of it is just picking a move and mashing your way to victory
See, that is exactly what I'm hinting at. Running about any team and doing well from beginning to end in spite of anything thrown your way isn't possible. And if you say it was easy from day one and hasn't changed since, then you probably haven't played enough to be able to make a valid comparison. You're not even paying attention. Useless.

>>29498841
You're right OP. Older games DID have a 350% EXP share, gym leaders with 3 pokemon max, elite four with 4 pokemon max, free mega stones, free Lati@s, and higher catch rate box legendaries! Fuck those people saying the older games were harder!

>>29503029
>Running about any team and doing well from beginning to end in spite of anything thrown your way isn't possible.
Not him but you do know we're talking about in game runs right?
You know, in game runs where literally anything and everything can work in any game?

Have you been playing any game besides XY recently because unless it's called Ledian anything is a viable choice.

>>29502930
Yeah, your memories. X and Y are blatantly easier than most, if not all of the other games.

>>29503114
My memories of what, XY or RB?
Because I just bought Blue on VC and blitzed it with no effort in less time than XY. The special stat alone makes the game easier than the other games in the series.
If you count the other things you have to consciously abuse like you would with Amie and the EXP share then the game becomes a joke.

>>29503112
Yes. Platinum. Go play it yourself with a 5 team of shitmons and bring feedback on how that went.

>>29503215
How do you think I know everything but Ledian can work?

>>29503212
I didn't use either of those in xy and still swept through it.

>>29503361
And yet you struggled with RB which is easier.
This is the problem anon.

>>29503255
Because you're talking out of your ass, that's why.

>>29503377
Can't argue with repeating dubs

>>29503377
How is it easier? Because you abused op moves?
I played through both without bothering to pay attention to stat stuff, and i just caught what i thought looked cool. I steamrolled everything and everyone in x and y with just my starter, but in rb i had to train everyone for more coverage.

>>29499300
And yet I still beat him with a team of Serperior, Watchog, Audino, Stoutland, Musharna, and Liepard.

>>29501193
But Anon, Greenland is the cold one

>>29503506
>How is it easier? Because you abused op moves?
You could literally spam things like water gun anon and beat the game easily. Like I said before the special stat in gen one breaks the game wide open all on it's own and you can inadvertently make use of how broken it is.

>but in rb i had to train everyone for more coverage.
Okay so is this the part where we out you as a liar?
I mean, you can literally be 10 levels under the trainers you battle at all times and still sweep like it's your birthright.
Grinding so you're the same level just makes it even more easier.
Not to mention gen 1 had shit for coverage level up and TM wise.

And before you blow your top again remember I'm not saying that XY isn't easier than other games just that it isn't the easiest game out there because RB exists.

>>29503669
>I mean, you can literally be 10 levels under the trainers you battle at all times and still sweep like it's your birthright.
You cannot possibly be more wrong. You must be thinking about x and y when you said that, There is no way you can be that much underleveled and still sweep through everything. I sometimes have trouble with some pokemon slightly leveled under me, especially when I'm fighting gym leaders.
>Grinding so you're the same level just makes it even more easier.
You're right, especially when your main guy gets knocked out and you have to finish the battle off with someone else, or use them as a decoy and have them survive long enough to revive and heal your main.
>And before you blow your top again
I'm not angry in the slightest.

>>29503838

>I sometimes have trouble with some pokemon slightly leveled under me, especially when I'm fighting gym leaders.

How the fuck is this even possible? Shit, you can beat the entire game just using your starter and HM slaves.

>>29504010
There's a slight chance we could have used different pokemon and moves throughout the game, leading to different experiences.

>>29503838
>You cannot possibly be more wrong. You must be thinking about x and y when you said that
No I'm talking about Red and Blue.
This is what I mean, the game is absurdly easy even without abusing OP moves. The AI is ridiculously poor, the movesets are often just the last 4 moves a pokemon can learn, which in gen 1 can result in some hilariously bad movesets to the point where Tierno's team can be considered good in comparison and again the special stat blows the game wide open to the point where anything with 70 in it can demolish the game. Not to metion every stat can be maxed out in gen 1.
Have you actually played RB recently or are you basing it on your child years?

>I sometimes have trouble with some pokemon slightly leveled under me, especially when I'm fighting gym leaders.
Excuse me?
Is this your first time playing an RPG?

>especially when your main guy gets knocked out
Which shouldn't happen in Gen 1, unless you purposely let it get killed by using stat up moves over and over without attacking. Except for Blue getting a lucky crit, which is extremely unlikely given how crits worked then, nothing can kill you unless you let it happen.

>I'm not angry in the slightest.
Your posts say otherwise?

>>29504137
Just out of curiosity what did you use?

>>29504137

Did you decide to only use a weedle with tackle or something?

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>>29503114
>>29503361
>>29503506
>>29503838
>>29504137
>Responding to shitposting

>>29503838
>There is no way you can be that much underleveled
Ok but I did on VC Yellow. The only mons over 50 I used in the E4 were the birds, and they were just backup since Nidoking and Mew swept everything else.

>>29504205
You've got it backwards dude.
HE'S the shitposter here.

That or he just sucks at pokemon.

>>29504140
>Have you actually played RB recently or are you basing it on your child years?
Both, I had pretty much the same experience last year as I did 20 years ago, except now I can beat it within a few days instead of a month.
>Excuse me?
Is this your first time playing an RPG?
Not at all, friend
>Which shouldn't happen in Gen 1, unless you purposely let it get killed by using stat up moves over and over without attacking.
Ok this is just shitposting, there's no way this is true in the slightest.
>Your posts say otherwise?
Not once have I screamed in all caps or called you a stupid name.
>>29504158
I don't remember exactly but I had Blastoise and Nidoking, and I think Fearow.
>>29504184
Nah
>>29504205
That's okay, I have absolutely nothing else going on right now.
>>29504219
>Nidoking and Mew
Gee, I wonder why it was so easy.

This whole thing is stupid

>>29504315
So if Nidoking makes it so easy, how'd you have trouble with it, a Blastoise, and a Fearow?

Yeah.... instead of just complaining about how easy you feel the games are, how about you play a game that you feel has the amount of challenge you want? Playimg games just to complain about how easy they are just doesn't really male sense to me. Enjoy the games as they are, since that is the way GF designed them to be.

"Boo hoo. The games aren't exactly what I personally wanted, so the company is shit."

>>29501145
I am playing HearGold right now and it is more challenging than XY and ORAS.

>>29501250
All the games are easier if you use one pokemon only, stop bringing that up

>>29501250
Also, Platinum literally cant be easier, in XY the E4 members all have the same levels, only four pokemon, and Cynthia has fully EV trained teams with max IVs.

Isn't at least part of reason R/B/G difficult, especially for people going back and playing it now, that the physical/special split made most mons have shitty stats for their atttacks?

>>29504361
When I got a moon stone I had little trouble after that. Beforehand is when it was hard.

>>29498945
>no turn-based jrpgs is hard
Fire Emblem

>>29501610
The whole point of this thread is approaching each game with as little grinding as posible and only having issues with Gen 6

>There's only two that's longer than your average route
This is certainly not true, Sinnoh probably has the longest routes in the series

>>29502907
>dont listen to the directors, listen to my interpretation of their words

>>29504315
>instead of a month.
How did it take you that long to finish the game as a kid?
The only way I could see someone taking that long is if you're an adult and you have responsibilities getting in the way. But as a child you have nothing but time?

>Not at all, friend
Then how on earth are you having trouble with enemies that are lower than you are especially with the Gen 1 movesets?
I don't think you realise how hard this is to comprehend. You'd have to be entirely ignorant of most of the elements of the game including type matchups.

>there's no way this is true in the slightest.
It's been true since the game came out. The AI isn't capable of the smart moves necessary to KO your pokemon unless you let them

>Not once have I screamed in all caps or called you a stupid name.
You may not have noticed but you're showing some passive aggression.

>>29504476
Eh, the game wasn't elaborate enough for that to make a difference at the time. Plus you can just remember if you check the eeveelutions.

>>29504476
it's not difficult at all because i say so

>>29504567
>>dont listen to the directors, listen to my interpretation of their words
But anon, that's what the director is saying.
Masuda even said that's why they didn't put in the BF.

>>29504601

Or at least the translation implies that. I don't think he said it in English and translation doesn't always translate what the intention is.

>>29504315
>I don't remember exactly but I had Blastoise and Nidoking, and I think Fearow.
That's pretty worrying. Those mon should get you through the game comfortably.

>>29504568
>How did it take you that long to finish the game as a kid?
A month? I just said that and you even quoted it.
>The only way I could see someone taking that long is if you're an adult and you have responsibilities getting in the way. But as a child you have nothing but time?
When I'm not working or going to class I have all the time in the world.
>Then how on earth are you having trouble with enemies that are lower than you are especially with the Gen 1 movesets?
I don't think you realise how hard this is to comprehend. You'd have to be entirely ignorant of most of the elements of the game including type matchups.
I know about all that stuff. It's just that some people have different experiences with things, and just because you had an easy time doesn't mean everyone else did. My friends all had similar experiences, so it's not me being shit. You're probably just really good.
>It's been true since the game came out. The AI isn't capable of the smart moves necessary to KO your pokemon unless you let them
You're right, the moves are just strong. You said so yourself. Moves work both ways, they don't magically become weaker if used on you.
>You may not have noticed but you're showing some passive aggression.
Yeah probably. But I don't feel angry.

>>29504765
>A month? I just said that and you even quoted it.
Rhetorical question.
Also I said "How did it take you that long" not "How long did it take you".

>When I'm not working or going to class I have all the time in the world.
But that still doesn't explain why you took a month to finish the game as a child.

>and just because you had an easy time doesn't mean everyone else did.
That's the thing, what you're describing is abnormal for most Pokemon players. Especially ones that have had the collective experience over the years. Even now you're taking days to finish it.

>You're probably just really good.
I have to admit I'm a fairly casual player when compared to even the people here, in fact I'm only playing the game to collect the mon and explore the region, but in order to lose you would have to ignore the literal basics of the game that they explain to you throughout and spam moves that do nothing.

>they don't magically become weaker if used on you.
Except they kind of do.
AI players don't have good DV, EVs, IVs whatever they were called in gen 1. So moves are naturally weaker coming from them than they are coming from you who's constantly raising their stats with each battle. Especially in your case where you grind excessively.
Without a cap on the stats like every game including and after gen 3 your pokemon can get absurdly strong compared to the ingame trainers.

>>29504438
>and Cynthia has fully EV trained teams with max IVs.
No she doesn't she has 0 EVs with 30 IVs in each. That goes for the others too.

>>29505144
>Also I said "How did it take you that long" not "How long did it take you".
Because I was a kid? Not everyone was a child prodigy who could beat Pokemon in less than a week. There's also school and video game privileges and playing with friends and spending time with family. And also other non-pokemon video games.
>That's the thing, what you're describing is abnormal for most Pokemon players.
Maybe in your eyes. Pretty much everyone I know has similar experiences to me. It's not abnormal at all to struggle even slightly with a game that is harder than another.
> Even now you're taking days to finish it.
Well yeah, it's not like I'm going to complete a 20 hour game in one sitting. I gotta sleep, plus I have other responsibilities such as college and a job, and other video games I might want to play.
>but in order to lose you would have to ignore the literal basics of the game that they explain to you throughout and spam moves that do nothing.
I don't know where you could have gotten that from, but stuff like critical hits and moves that miss are also part of the game. Not to mention that the game doesn't shower you with money like it does in 5th gen and beyond.

I played Platinum right before playing X, Platinum was much harder. They're all much harder than Gen 6. Gen 6 was so bad I had to force myself to finish X and I didn't finish ORAS at all. Until I got a difficulty hack.

>>29505450
>Not everyone was a child prodigy who could beat Pokemon in less than a week.
You don't have to be a child prodigy to beat Pokemon in less than a month anon even with school and family it would take you a few days at the most to finish it. The game doesn't require anything of the player which makes it incredibly easy and short.

>Pretty much everyone I know has similar experiences to me.
I have my doubts about that. If that is the case I would suggest reporting the drinking water there because there's a problem with something in your area.
In any case, it really is rare to see someone struggle with any of the gen 1 games.

>Well yeah, it's not like I'm going to complete a 20 hour game in one sitting
It's a 10-15 hour game at most if you're taking your time. In fact I think there's a glitchless run of the game that's about 1 hour or so. At most it should be taking you 2 days in your spare time.

>I don't know where you could have gotten that from, but stuff like critical hits and moves that miss are also part of the game.
Critical hits are extremely rare to come across in the gen 1 games due to how they work in gen 1. And when I say they're rare to come across I mean it's rare for you to be hit by them you as the player can dish them out unknowingly because the game is biased towards the player.

>Not to mention that the game doesn't shower you with money like it does in 5th gen and beyond.
6th gen, Gen 5 wasn't as excessive. And what does that have to do with anything?
Money matters even less in RBY.

>>29505450
Dude, just accept you're bad at the game.
You're making Verlisify look good for fuck sake.

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>>29505811
>This entire post
Holy shit

>>29505811
I am now 100% convinced you are just shitposting. No one has this level of mastery that they would beat the hardest (least easy) game with that much ease, unless they have been replaying the game over and over for the last 20 years, memorizing every single little detail. Shit, dude.

>>29506079
>being so far in denial that he sucks that he has to shitpost
Come on man.
I already said you need to come to terms that you suck.

>>29506142
>No one has this level of mastery that they would beat the hardest (least easy) game with that much ease, unless they have been replaying the game over and over for the last 20 years, memorizing every single little detail. Shit, dude.

Dude, what in the FUCK are you talking about?
This is pokemon, why are you acting like it's SMT or Dark Souls? You don't need to be some kind of master at the game you just have to be smarter than a fetus. To finish it in like a day in game time.

>>29505811
>it's easy because i say so, whether or not everyone else does is irrelevant and i cannot grasp the simple concept of subjective experiences

>>29506199
Why are YOU acting like it's babymode easy? Just because you can do it doesn't mean everyone else in the world can or does. Beating any one pokemon game in under a day would require forgoing eating and sleeping and anything else you might have planned.
Fuck.

>>29506199
I think I'm not going to bother replying to him any more.
No one can be this bad at pokemon unless they're shitposting. After all he's arguing with facts using anecdotal evidence.

>>29506301
>anyone worse than the best is bad
amazing

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>>29504765
>>29505144
>>29505450
>>29505811

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>>29506335
there was never any to begin with

>>29506301
Good, I was thinking of doing the same, since you can't get off your high horse an accept that people play Pokemon differently.

>>29502907
>When they said they're making it easier, they don't mean they're simplifying the game.

Yes they did and Sugimori has also said that he wants the game to be made similar. This is on top of comments Ohmori has also made as well as a few others by Masuda in the X/Y days.

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>>29506410
>since you can't get off your high horse an accept that people play Pokemon differently.
Dude, there's playing differently and then there's playing after being slammed in the head with a brick.

I mean, nigga you're grinding on literally the easiest game to date.

>>29506450

Simpler* Not similar. I think this is the reason for less Pokemon each gen, although Sugimori's main gripe seemed to be with there being too many moves.

>>29506475
When did I ever mention I had to grind in x and y?

>>29506508
When you mentioned you had to grind in Red and Blue dude.
Hell you shouldn't be grinding in ANY pokemon game at all unless you're doing the BF in Emerald.

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>>29506475
maybe you are the one with the brick in the head
sure, all pokemon games are easy but there's no way in hell red and blue are the easiest

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>>29506564
>posting the reasons why it's easy to prove that it isn't

>>29506547
So xy and rb are the same games now?
Why didn't you tell me earlier?

>>29499180
>older gens were objectively harder
>gen 1 league could be swept with nidoking, horn drill and a few x accuracy
>gen 2 feraligatr let you beat the game without ever needing to catch else
> gen 3 swampert had 1 type weakness, grass, which no gym leader or league trainer had
>gen 4 infernape, stab mach punch at level 16 and access to close combat, also GTS was available letting you grab some chink's lv 100 deoxys and win the game
>gen 5 'challenge mode' just made you farm exp more

And full circle, every pokemon game is one button press, piss easy, if you make it that way

>>29506609
See I think your problem is that you think XY is easier than RB.

Let me just direct you to this >>29506564
Shit like
>Critical Hits were based off of speed, making fast sweepers do insane amounts of crits
>If you kill somebody with Hyper Beam you don't have to recharge
>Multi-hit moves use the same number for damage. If one hit criticals, they ALL will
>Fly/Dig
>Special stat
All skew the game in YOUR favour without you being able to do anything about it.

The in game trainers can't get any stat points from battles but you do making your crit rate go through the fucking roof. Combine that with multi-hit moves and you're a crit machine. Then there's move that have a chance to crit that ALWAYS crit like slash.
Hyper beam, I don't need to go into detail about this. In game trainers don't get shit for stats but you do and you get another turn.
Fly/Dig, you literally get immunity from anything.
And the special stat is the most broken shit to ever hit any game and you can't change it without hacking.

How can people even argue this?

You can take advantage of the messed up mechanics in Gen 1 games and it becomes piss easy.
It's not a difficult game at all, it's just tedious as fuck.

I first played Yellow when I was what, 4? Got to Giovanni and quit. Played it again this past summer, 17 years later, and I beat it in about three days. Most of that time was spent catching Pokemon I never used and a bit of grinding because I'm paranoid.

>>29506853
>You can take advantage of the messed up mechanics in Gen 1
You don't take advantage of them, they take advantage of you.

>>29506905
Discounting stuff that comes naturally like crits and Special, I was talking about stuff like Toxic + Wrap Leech Seed.

But yeah, most of it's inevitable.

>>29498841
>I just can't stand those /v/ crossboarders.
Says /co/mblr

>>29507012
What does the OP have to do with /co/?

>>29498841
Pokemon games aren't hard, but Gen 6 has a lot of hold handing. C'mon, free uber lucario, free Lati@s, Exp. Share
I guess this is the problem

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>>29507012
>/co/mblr
>on /vp/
>implying hating /v/ isnt done by 90% of 4chan as well

>>29499535
>BW2
>hard
I blew my way through that game in two days with my starter and an event keldeo and never had to even think. I don't know why /vp/ praises it so much. Its a soulless rehash of BW

>>29507098
>I don't know why /vp/ praises it so much.
Because its essentially the definitive pokemon game.

(you)

>>29507098
>Its a soulless rehash of BW
>literally the only one out of all the remakes and third games that isn't
What

>>29507098
(you)

Pokemon is a easy ass game because of the compromise towards multiplayer to make it easier to get into, and reduce frustration such as TM's, breeding, leveling, and EV training multiple pokemon.

There is also the factor that Pokemon have to compete with the mobile games and the fact that most of the player base considered gen 4 to be to damn hard and reduce the difficulty. Gen 5 hard mode was more than likely a failure that most of the player base didn't like.

Gen 7 seems to be adding stuff to multiplayer such as tournaments, battle royale, and QR teams. Hyper Training remains to be seen considering it's based on how easy it's to get bottle caps. Post game seems to be a Battle tower, but that is standard. If there is anything else for post game remains to be seen.

>>29498841
I sweeped Blues team in yellow recently when my team were all level 50's. Pretty damn easy