>only 1 non legendary OU pokemon that is ice or rock how

>>29453193
Give them the right stat spread.

>>29453193
>Weevile

Introduce Invisicles as an Ice Counterpart to Stealth Rock

Give the moves a chance to fail, and even moreso if used consequetively, but will 100% succeed if used by their respective types.

Also, Faster mons.

>>29453218
ya, the only non legendary ice type in ou

>>29453226
if stealth rock doesn't uncuck rock why would invisicles?

>>29453193
Stop making Ice types slow and defensive and start making them fast and hard-hitting. That solves the vast majority of Ice's problems. Also, give them movesets and abilities worth a damn, and give Hail the same kind of defensive boost to Ice types that Sandstorm gives to Rock types, so Hail is a viable weather, and that will make it so the defensive Ice types that DO exist can maybe have some kind of niche to fill.

>>29453237
>Give the moves a chance to fail, and even moreso if used consequetively, but will 100% succeed if used by their respective types.

>>29453226
This doesn't solve Ice's main problem. Ice is already an awesome attack type. Giving it new moves doesn't change anything.

eitheir modify resistances and weakness like gen 6 did with steel(although it's my understanding that they reverted those changes with SM) or start building ice and rock Pokemon with speedier and more offensively based stat spreads. Right now they're really into making slow defensive ice and rock types, despite ice and rock being awful defensive typings.

>>29453273
Why not just give it to a select few ice types

>>29453193
You know what we need? A buff to Hail. A way to make actually useful. As useful as ALL THE OTHER WEATHER EFFECTS.

I really don't know why Gamefreak never improved Hail when Ice types clearly need the most help out of Fire, Water, and Rock.

So, what buffs do you guys think would make Hail and Ice types simultaneously good?

Hail now boosts the Defense of Ice-types by 50%.

Sand Rush and Sand Force equivalents for Hail, distributed to just enough Non-Ice types to help diversify Hail teams.

Remove Ice Beam from the movepools of roughly 75% of non-Ice types that currently learn it, particularly Water-types.

>>29453276
Where did you hear that they reverted the Steel changes?

>>29453300
well if sandstorm increases sp def of rock types it would be logical to increase the def of ice types

>>29453307
It's just a rumor I've seen floating around /vp/, so take it with a grain of salt. I probably should've worded it differently.

>Glalie gets a mega
>it's STILL less viable than Froslass

Speed is everything.

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>Tyranitar
If you want to make rock types more viable in OU, its simple:
A) stop giving them all shit low speed stats and most importantly
B) give them an actual strong, reliable 100 BP/Accuracy Rock stab move that they can abuse like EQ instead of relying on shit moves like Ancient Power or low accuracy moves like Rock Slide or Stone Edge
Rock is a fucking amazing offensive typing. The mons are just fuck by base stats, move pool, and abilities (study is decent, but nothing special).

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Ice loses its Fighting weakness and gains resistances to Ground and Flying.

Rock now resists Ice.

Would rock be viable if its ground weakness were removed?

>>29453370
Heck, make it resistance so the ground/rock relationship is like water/ice.

>>29453193
We have had this exact same thread multiple times a day for at least the last 2 weeks

you have had 20 years to get the fuck over it and i suggest you do it, because gamefreak is wholly uninterested in doing anything except the bare minimum.

your only recourse is to make a romhack or fangame or to allow gamefreak to continue shitting into your open mouth

>>29453370
Really wouldn't matter much since water still its it on the special side and rock types are notorious for having bad speed/Special atk and def. Losing a weakness can do wonders for a mon, but at most itll increase their presence in the lower NU/RU tiers

>>29453441
Ice actually wasn't shit for 20 years. It was okay in Gen 1.

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>>29453193
Make Ice-type super effective against Water. It would make Ice more useful and Water less OP.

>>29453495
they did that already

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>>29453509

>>29453521
i said THEY DID THAT ALREADY

>>29453509
>>29453521

freeze-dry

>>29453509
What?

>>29453509
A move that only a few Ice-types learn doesn't count.

>>29453546
It's okay guys, Fighting is now Super Effective against Grass!

>>29453521
He's talking about Freeze-Dry, which is 70 BP and can only be learned by eight (8) Pokemon.

>>29453509
>>29453546
>>29453564
Make it a TM all Ice-types can learn, and make a Physical variant of it. Then it'll be all good.

>>29453564
>8)

In other news. Ghost type moves now make you invulnerable, Flying moves always hit and Poision moves reset stat changes

>>29453613
none of that is true

Fuck it, make 2 good physical rock and Ice TM moves. Both 100% accurate and with at least 80-90 BP

>>29453623
It's as true as Ice is Super Effective against Water

>>29453655
Freeze Dry is Super-effective on Water, but that's my opinion and you're entitled to your own (imo)

>>29453668
Phantom Force makes you invulnerable for a turn
Aerial Ace doesn't miss
Clear Smog removes stat changes

One move is not representative of the entire type. Otherwise Fighting is Super Effective against Grass.

>>29453463
>Ice wasn't shit in gen 1

True, due to a mixture of reason:

Steel didn't exist(super-effective to ice, but also drives up the usage of Fire and Fighting), Fighting was garbage, Fire was mediocre at best. Rock was pretty mediocre as well due to the lack of power on Rok Slide.

Also, the Ice types in gen 1:
Cloyster, Dewgong, Lapras: Also had the always stupidly good Water-type
Jynx: Also Psychic type, I don't need to say more than that.
Articuno: Legendary.

Even then, Articuno and Dewgong fails to reach OU.

Ice was good in gen 1 because a good amount of types were bad.

>>29453683
>Flying Press
Took me a while

>>29453683
those are all just opinions

>>29453698
Fire type moves burn 100% of the time, but don't use Normal because you'll die after using them!

>>29453613
>>29453683
This. Ice type needs to be super effect against Water. One move doesn't mean shit.

>>29453710
Damage control in full force.
This is an anonymous image board, you can admit being wrong, your e-penis won't shrink.

>>29453719
i think water should be super effective against ice because water makes ice become more water by adding the hotness of the liquid water to the coldness of the icy ice and causes the melting to occur

>>29453710
Oh right, Phantom Force making you invulnerable for a turn is just an opinion. I forgot.

>>29453732
good to see that you remembered, friend
have a nice night, talk to you tomorrow

>>29453730
Or the other way around. Water freezes on contact with a fucking Ice Beam.

>>29453683
Don't forget that all Water, Steel and Normal type moves always hit first.

We need thermal RPS, Water beats Fire, Fire beats Ice, Ice should beat Water.

>>29453759
Yeah, Normal hits even more first, but you die afterwards as a result.

Take away some of their weakness. You can't really do much else cause if you buff rock, ice gets fucked more.

>>29453767
And it can Burn, Paralyze or Freeze your Pokemon. Man, Normal is OP as fuck.4

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What is gained from having this same fucking thread day in and day out
>DAE think Weavile and Mamoswine are the only good ice types lololol
>Yeah, It should resist Water and Flying and Ground and Bug!
>Yeah, I agree
>lol same
>Yeah, and Water needs o be weak to poison, too, right?
>Yeah, definitely!

That's it. That's all that happens. If you want this shit to happen then make your own pokemon game or something where Ice is far and away the best type. It's like /r9k/ where it's just an echo chamber of bitching

ice now resists water
ice now resists dragon

ice is no longer weak to steel

Nerf water.

>>29453787
By that logic, the entire board is pointless, since nothing will ever come out of it.

>>29453813
now you're smartening up

>>29453307
Some dude thought hakamo-o was steel and then concluded that they must have returned to the old steel since night slash hits it for nve damage lol

>>29453275
Give Aurora Veil good distribution amongst Ice types?

>>29453822
Which means since there's nothing better to talk about we might as well discuss this.

>>29453207
>>29453256
Or maybe fix the type chart so that good and viable Ice types aren't pigeonholed into a single build barring legendary-tier stats or a broken ability?

>>29453822
T-that also means my whole life has been pointless. It's like there's no point in life...