>Stab grass is useless >physical oriented >Tons of weakness

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>>29449501
>STAB grass is useless

>>29449501
>weak offensive stats because "muh laser sight"
>mediocre speed tier
>awkwardly defensive stats - 125 base hp, wtf?

It's also ugly as fuck. Just everstone it at 2nd stage and forget competition.

>>29449501
It's a grass/flying Pokemon. Unless it had amazing speed, or an ability that halved Super Effect attacks or something, everyone knew it'd be shit.

Why is this coming as a surprise to anyone?

The only Gen 7 starter that'll be competitively viable is Popmaid (assuming it becomes water/fairy). And I'm sure that's going to piss a lot of people off.

>>29449501
Grass is useless as fuck. At least Arrowl has STAB Flying moves too. Serperior on BW is the most useless Pokemon I've ever had on a team. Such a shame because the design is great

What if its ability lets it proc a random status effect on a crit? Yes, freeze too.

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>>29449562
>it's not fast it's going to be shit

That's not how grass type works. Like rock and ice, grass types are supposed to be walls, but unlike those types grass walls actually work because they have a plethora of recovery moves to work with

>leech seed
>giga drain
>synthesis
>substitute

Every OU grass mon has some combination of these moves. Hurricane will be great because it makes big rowlet the anti-grass wall grass wall, Toxic is also good for everything not affected by leech seed, and god help everyone if it somehow gets spore too.

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>>29449844
>Ice
>Walls

>>29449844
Your skinny archer won't become a wall, sorry.

>>29449919
That's fine. Fast subseeders are good too.

Especially with Roost.

>>29449629
>And I'm sure that's going to piss a lot of people off.
Good, anyone triggered by it deserves to stay mad.

>>29449844
>Grass/Flying
>Walling ANYTHING

I get where you're coming from with grass, but that's usually if they have a complimentary secondary typing. Robinhoot has a 99% chance of being Grass/Flying. With that being the case, the best he could have hoped for was being a fast hit and run Pokemon. There's absolutely no way he could have walled anything with such a shitty defensive typing.

>>29449844
Ice is only resistant to itself. And it has four weaknesses.
That's why it's shit.

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>>29449844
>Like rock and ice, grass types are supposed to be walls
Stopped reading there. Both Rock AND Ice types are shitty defensive typings. You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

>>29449501
>>physical oriented
Name one ranged attack themed Pokemon besides Gigalith that's not a Special Attacker.

>>29449501
>has gale wings

mfw sheep actually believe that OP actually knows what it'll be like

>>29449882
>>29450032
Read the rest of the comment dumbasses:
>but unlike those types grass walls actually work

>>29450055
Honestly, this is probably the only thing that could save it. If it get Gale Wings, Roost, and Brave Bird, it could be decent with such a high HP stat.

>>29450055
>Doesn't has Brave Bird because it's not one

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>>29449844
>ice
>supposed to be walls

>>29450055
It's getting Sniper to compliment Laser Focus. Thinking otherwise is wishful thinking of the highest degree.

>>29450103
>Avalugg

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>>29450127
>Charmander used Flamethrower
>Avalugg fainted because of it's shitty Sp. Def.
>gg

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>>29450127
>Avalugg
>Good
I love it, but christ is sucks.

>>29450152
I was so pumped when I saw Avalugg for the first time, then I realized it's gonna suck because "defensive Ice-types" aren't a thing.

They should've given it monstrous, stupidly-good Defense and Special Defense stats.

>>29450152
>it isn't a mixed wall, so it's bad

It's times like these I'm glad I don't care about competitive.

>>29450209
No, it's bad because >defensice ice typing

Even if Avalugg had the same sp def as def it would still be shit, that's how bad ice is as a defensive typing.

>>29450209
Pretty much, yea. It'd be one thing if it had mediocre or slightly below average Sp. Def. But shit, it's as if they designed the thing to be taken down by any type of special attack.

>>29449501
>doesn't learn giga drain

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>>29450209
He has no recovery and moderate HP.
What Physical Pokemon can he wall off that he's weak too? Much less wear them down or take them out?

>>29450300
Avalugg gets Recover.

>>29449501
Breloom:
>Stab grass isn't useless on it
>physical oriented
>6 weaknesses, one is X4
>Grass type with a wide movepool
>is OU
Sure it's a glass cannon but it fits the role well

Robinroot even has 1 less weakness and will very likely be faster than 70 base speed.

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>>29450309
Holy fuck I did not see that coming.

>>29450315
Well I'm sure Robinroot would be OU if it got Spore too.

>>29450388
probably won't, it's not based on a fungus or plant

>>29449501
Grass/Flying is actually decent OFFENSIVELY while being completely shit tier DEFENSIVELY. The only way Roothoot is going to be useful is if gets 100+ speed and good offensive stats, otherwise it's going to join the ranks of Tropius and Jumpluff.

>>29450127
>>29450176
>>29450187

It's No.1 usage in Inverse battles. It's literally the only reason 80%+ normal types aren't banned in that meta.
So it has that at least.

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>>29449882
Gamefreak seems really intent on making Ice Type Walls like Cryogonal and Avalugg for some reason.

If anything Ice is supposed to be glass cannons so I dont know what the fuck is up with gamefreak and that Ice Wall shit.

>>29450099
>honchkrow and mandibuzz get brave bird
>implying

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>>29452801
>Golbat line can learn it via breeding too

I would laugh if Sigilyph got it too.

>>29449501
Pretty sure that it will be an extremely fast glass cannon that completely outdoes Greninja in terms of offense and speed. Hell, it will likely be banned to Ubers.
>>29449605
Fuck off.

>>29452850
>extremely fast
>when Rowlet gets outsped by Litten

Alright, had enough of this shit:

>Grass Stab is useless
You forgot Flying is still a thing and Grass has a good coverage as well

>Psysical Oriented
Like having Hurricane and Air Slash are usefull STAB's compared to BB.

>Tons of weaknesses and a 4x one
Just like half of OU, am I right ? I'm sure Breloom and Weavile are perfectly sitting in NU

>no bulk probably a glass canon
High HP =/= alway defensive and glass canons are nothing new. Helltigre is speculated to have very high Speed, why wouldn't Robinhoot have to ? No one said it will be slow.

Tl;dr: OP and /vp/ know nothing about competitive, as usual.

>>29452857
>stat spreads has never changed on evolution before
(You)
There's no way that obese cat will be faster than the sleekest starter of all time.

>>29449501
Real talk tho, if he can't outspeed Mega Pinsir, he won't make OU.

Talonflame has priority but no power. Mega Pinsir has both.

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>>29452913
Starter stats don't really undergo changes. As in if the first form has a stat as the highest of the three it'll stay that way for it's final form.

>>29449995
WOAH DUDE

IT'S LIKE ONLY ICE TYPES CAN HAVE ICE TYPE MOVES OR SOMETHING

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>>29452913
>obese cat
This thing has 112 Speed, and is meant to be a lazy and pampered bitch.

>>29452988
>picture literally debunked by itself by showing that Torchic's sp.atk is higher than its atk while Blaziken's atk is higher than its sp.atk

>>29452999
Well early game youll just be spamming ember.

>>29452988
Soo Robinhoot will be a fast attacker (most like 105/10 Speed) with high HP.

>>29452999
>one deviation means the pattern doesn't generally hold true

>>29452988
>could've given serperior 95/95 attack and 75/75 defenses, making it a weaker mixed attack with revenge killing ability
>decide instead to make it a fast support without support moves
what was the goal? to be a better SubSeed roserade? Why not give it sleep powder?
Why did they do this to her?

>>29453027
>implying GF cares about patterns anymore.

>>29450315
Breloom only uses its grass stab cause it can break sturdy and sashes with bullet seed+technician. It's fairly useless outside of that.

>>29452760
>inverse battles

LITERALLY WHO?

>>29453104
Seeing as they kept the Fire-Grass-Water starter set, I'd say yes, they care about patterns.

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It's best waifu of the starters, so its inevitable mediocrity is fine with me.

>>29452988
>>29453027
>Blaziken spread nothing like Torchic's
>Charmander and Cyndaquil highst stat is speed, final forms highest is SpAtk
>Piplup defenses are pretty even, Empoleon has a clearly superior SpDef
>Tepig's SpAtk is on par with the rest of his stats, Emboar has way more SpAtk than defense and speed

Also, one could argue that previous starters used to keep a similar line design-wise, while Rowlet to Robinhoot clearly becomes more focused on battle as it evolves.
Similarly, Litten obviously gets a larger increase in strength rather than agility, so who's to say that won't be reflected stat wise.

>>29453123
>legend's never had pre-evos before
>but they pattern are still relevant because they keep using the most intuitive and best balanced type trio for the starters

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>>29453104
>Fire Grass Water Starters
>Regional 3 stage Bird
>Regional 2 stage Rodent
>Regional 3 stage Bug(s)
>Psuedo(s) always near legendary end of dex
>Single, non evolving lines generally near middle or or where psuedos are

>>29453192
>>29453162

>>29453192
I dunno why but this pic really pisses me off

>>29453162
>Blaziken spread nothing like Torchic's
m8, just looking at the graph of Blaiziken's and Torchic's stats, can you really say they're that different?

>>29453123
What you said there is TRADITION, not patern, just like the regional bird or the pikaclones. And tell me what other SE/NVE circle is out that works as good as Grass/Fire/Water. And I'm so looking forward for the new gyms, but I wonder when will they receal the Pseudo ?

>>29453227
Torchic has lower speed than SpDef and higher SpAtk than Atk, going by the logic of "they mantain the stats", Blaziken should have a very different stat distribution

>>29453113
toxic heal breloom runs seed bomb over bullet seed.

>>29452988
By your logic, Torchic has the second highest Atk between the three and Mudkip has the highest so Swampert should have the highest Atk of all of them yet Blaziken has the highest at 120 while Swampert has it at 110.

Check mate, m8.

>>29453192
>>Fire Grass Water Starters
As I stated before, it's the most balanced and intuitive introduction to type matchups possible
>>Regional 3 stage Bird
>>Regional 2 stage Rodent
>>Regional 3 stage Bug(s)
it's a way to give you some variety on the available mons early on without making them too strong, but they can evolve to keep usefulness as you progress
>>Psuedo(s) always near legendary end of dex
that's because it's usually available late in the game, and the pokedex is usully arrange by encounter order, that's why garchomp is not in end
>>Single, non evolving lines generally near middle or or where psuedos are
because single stages are usually encountered mid-game and as such they should be able to carry their own weight, so they are decently powered. giving them evolutions would either make them too strong or too underwhelming.

So, if you want to hold on to that kind of shit and go on about how the never change the patterns while we have legendaries with pre-evos and no gyms (and after a gen that broke a good deal of patterns) then be my guest, but side effects of that include the chance of being btfo'd once the games come out

Plenty of water type trainers has ice beam. This pokémon was born dead

>>29453252
Look, you can argue about tiny relative differences between the stats, but if you run the calculations on this stuff, there's a strong correlation between Torchic's stats and Blaiziken stat's (a correlation coefficient of 0.84, which is very strong).

>>29453330
>"Because there is some logic behind it, it isn't a pattern anymore"

It's not like this discussion matters, because we all know as "the cool starter", it'll be Greninja 2.0 and get a ridiculous ability like Gale Wings.

>>29450052
Rhyperior

>>29449501
Rowlett was doomed from the start
Unless his HA saves him
Possibly worse then Meganium but thats a stretch

>>29450052
Its kinda the confusing thing about archer pokemon
Archery is generally based on dexterity physical
But its a Range fighter so you would think special

>>29453691
>its atk is higher than sp.atk but there's more special attacks in its movepool than physical attacks and the physical attacks it has are shit
How mad would you be from 1 to 10?

>>29453651
It most likely will get a helping ability, Lunala got one in a Multiscale colone when they could've just left it as it is. It will most then likely happen since it's this gen's "cool and every kid will use him" starter, Robinhoot was BUILT to appeal to kids being a cool archer. They could've just easily made Litten the cool one since it's a cat and everyone loves cats, but no they decided to go with the bird.

>>29449844
>ice and rock
>wall

Stop this meme.
Thr only reason they keep making defensive Ice type mons it's because thy want to give them acceptable bulk to have more chances to land Sheer Cold.

>>29453713
What is gen 2 feraligatr

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>>29450127
>names a single ice type pokemon.

>>29449658
Well now along side Venusaur it's in the top 5 most viable starters.

Daily reminder that only 35 Pokemon resist grass/flying stab

>>29453162
To be fair on the Charmander/Cyndaquil thing, Zard started out following the trend and only got SpA as it's highest stat after they needed to buff him up to the level of the other starters in stat total once the special stat was split.

And Typh is just a lazy Zard copy, so what holds true for Zard holds true for him.

>>29454489
>physical so no hidden power
>grass, so no coverage
I've been a grassfag for over a decade now, but it keeps hurting every time.

>>29450096
Do we know it will keep rowlet's high HP? I mean not all starters keep their stat distribution throughout their evolution. And if that's the case then by association Luchalitten should be as fast as Greninja.

>>29454541
It's better if he ends up physical so he has a move pool. Special attacking grass type means literally no chance at a movepool and physical grasses have a small chance.

>>29449501
>Robinhoot has a 99% chance of being Grass/Flying
why? he's an owl..

>>29454489
Did you use a calculator for that or something?
Serious question, I wouldn't mind having one that can do that.

>>29454560
Something fire or fighting is pretty necessary to hit those steel-types.

>>29449501
Every tournament has some sperg rolling a legendary or pseudo.
All of them are heavy as fuck.
Grassknot exploding them for being fatasses.

>>29449844
Most of Grass types keep HP Fire and Ice, most of said Grass types are also double typed and can Gyro Ball, Rock Tomb or Sludge Bomb it. You cannot really safelt switch on them.

>>29453044
Gave it Contrary Leaf Storm to balance it out

>>29454595
This. It's very likely that Robingroot will end up being a staple of VGC, just like Mega Kangaskhan during the XY and ORAS eras.

>>29453246
Rock/Flying/Fighting

>>29454680
Indeed, I'm very thankful to GF for retconning Grass Knot into being Juniper's signature move.

>>29453354
Like Garchomp, Dragonite, Salamence, Altaria, Flygon,

>>29453012
There was no Physical/Special split in gen 3

>>29453246
Fairy/Steel/Fighting

>>29454785
More like Mega Sceptile. Even with powerful stats he's still a mediocre fuck. Literally the best case scenario for Robinhoot is to achieve the same level of mediocrity.

>>29454855
Dragon doesn't really compliment grass as well as flying does.

What's his speed stat?

>>29454855
Isn't one of the main problems for Sceptile that it doesn't get the special move pool it wants?

>>29454938
About tree fiddy.

>>29454941
yeah his movepool lacking doesn't help

that and his ability being very situational

I fucking hope it gets Thousand Arrows at least. Laser Focus is absolute shit.

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>ITT people forgetting that chlorophyll Jumpluff was played in OU and VGC in gen V
It will depend of its speed and if it can learn some support move.

>>29455142
Perma weather is dead as are most weather teams.

>>29454941
It could use a fire move that's stronger than HP Fire and maybe Earth Power so it doesn't have to run mixed

But its movepool is enough to get by

>>29449844
Yes, because Sceptile is know by its amazing bulk.

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IT'S GRASS A GRASS GHOST TYPE LMFAO

>>29449501
>4x weakness
HAHA GET SHIT ON FAGGOTS

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GET FUCKING RECKT !

so many BTFOs going on today,
based GF.

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>>29449501
>>Tons of weakness and a X4 one
Straight to PU

>>29449501
ICE SHARD AMIRITE LMAO

>>29449658
>STAB Flying
A-anon...

>>29449501
Top fucking kek

>>29449974
He's grass ghost retard

>>29449501
Nice try.

itt: op gets btfo

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>>29449501
Damn son. Not a good time to be (you)(OP)

Depending on its stats and move pool it' can possibly hit UU but I doubt it would ever be OU. Grass type is too shit unless it has a godlike stat distribution and/or movepool.

>>29460343
I think it all depends on if it's physical or special. Ghost has no physical moves.

>>29460613
It used a physical ghost move in the trailer

>>29460853
But who knows how good it will actually be.

>>29460613

Spirit Shackle is him shooting an arrow at you, so it's probably physical.

( Y O U )

ahahahahahah

>>29460886

>probably

it literally says its physical in its description

>A move that prevents you from switching
>Access to Will-O-Wisp
>Access to STAB shadow ball or any new ghost moves
>Access to grass knot or leaf blade
>Access to flying moves though not STAB
If this pokemon has decent speed, It can really be versatile in VGCs

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>>29449629
>grass/flying

Yeah it's such a shame its typing is- OH WAIT

>>29460613
Shadow Punch and Shadow Sneak exist

>>29461225
>60 base power

>>29461095
>Once an opponent has lost sight of it, Decidueye seizes the chance to attack it unawares. In a tenth of a second, Decidueye plucks an arrow quill from within its wing and sends its hurtling toward its target. Its speed is astonishing, but not more so than its precise aim, which enables the arrow quill to pierce a target through and through from half a mile or more away!

Ghost/Grass does not have a 4x weakness.

>>29449501
BTFO SO HOARD

>>29461302
>Its speed is astonishing, but not more so than its precise aim.
This pretty much confirms that Decidueye will bd useful in VGC since most of the VGC strats revolves around switching. Besides, thanks to its typing being Grass/Ghost defeats the move accel rock

>solid keldeo check
>NU

fucking autism

It does not have a 4x weakness is this a new joke?

>>29461340
But it does have FIVE weaknesses.

Sorry ghost bird, but you'll be stuck in PU forever...

>>29461675
It also has 2 Immunities and 4 resists.

It will be just fucking fine.

>>29449501
>mfw OP implied that owls were birds near me
>mfw GF blew him the fuck out

>>29461504
Switching is far less common in VGC, wtf are you on?

>>29461921
>Switching is far less common in VGC, wtf are you on?
oh really? you must be somebody who is new to the VGC meta

>>29461980
I think you're new and only just started with VGC16, switching is far more common in singles than doubles a common VGC match lasts 9 turns how much switching do you think happens?

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