Hey it's me again. Kommo's predicted base stats: HP

>>29401619
>implying it WILL be the pseudo
Kek

>>29401619
>Base 93 Speed
>High defenses with low HP
God that's just awful

>>29401675
Tsareena confirmed for psuedo

>>29401619
The only pseudo whose pre evo stat distribution is identical to its final evo is Goodra.

>>29401693
kill yourself

>>29401619
If it doesn't get DD it's worse than Goodra with this spread.

>>29401619
Good to know it gets Autitomize and most then likely D-Dance so it doesn't fall like Haxorus. Even do I kinda feel that Akt stat is a bit to low.

>>29401675
Jangmo-o has 300 BST like Dratini, Larvitar, Bagon, etc.
Hakamo-o has 420 BST like Dragonair, Shelgon, Metang, etc.

It's confirmed.

I think it will have a similar stat spread as Goodra, but with Physical and Special swapped and HP and Speed swapped.

Alternatively, I could see it being the first pseudo to have 2 stats tied for highest (Attack and Defense).

>>29401619
~95 SPE with Dragon Dance won't be too bad
DD/Iron Head (or Poison Jab)/Close Combat/Outrage could be pretty viable

> its only decent stats are attack and defense
Oh christ its gonna be Physical!Goodra isnt it?

How is it supposed to be better than Tyrantrum ?

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>>29401690
Yes, how dreadful would it be to have such awful stats

>>29401892
> low hp and only good spdef
> Flabebe used Sweet Kiss!

Nah, you can't establish a decent prediction based on the first stages

Remember Shelgon and Metang?

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>>29401892
Yeah, let's ignore the fact that those pokemon have both higher defensive stats, better defensive typings, abilities that help them to stay alive and in the case of Skarmory and M-Sableye, reliable recovery.

>>29401943
> Kommo-o doesn't learn Drain Punch
shitmon confirmed

>>29401799
It's not sufferably weak to Bullet Bunch and scarved Earthquakes and one of its STABs takes care of Steels for starters

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>>29401619
Made a proper image OP

>>29401939
Well that's true.

But Shelgon looks like a cocoon (higher defenses), if you just use Bagon's stats it's more accurate.

>>29402009
>90 Sp. Atk

>>29401619
>Dragon/Fighting
>Defensive
>In the age of Fairies

really makes you think huh

>>29402009
I don't think its Def is gonna be that high. Just take 10 points from there and put them in its Speed and it would look pretty decent.

>>29402074
>mons with 4x weaknesses are totally unviable

Stop this meme

>>29402074
It's immune to M-Garde and Sylveon's strongest fairy moves via Soundproof, so there's that

>>29402009
Take 20 points form Sp. Atk and move them literally anywhere else and it's solid OU

>ib4y clefairy used fairy wind

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OP here.
Gumshoos predicted base stats:

HP 78
ATK 114
DEF 49
SP.ATK 49
SP.DEF 49
SPEED 73
TOTAL 413

Yungoos has the same BST as Rattata (and Alolan Rattata is the Moon counterpart) so Gumshoos's total is the same as Raticate's.

>>29401619
Nah senpai if the shit aint fast it gotta hit as hard as a T-tar so I choice it.

>>29402092
No, but a defensive mon weak to Fairy, Ice, Dragon, Flying and Psychic is kinda lame.

>>29402040
First off, why not? Dragonite has 100 and seems perfectly fine.
>>29402040
>>29402078
>>29402099
Not my stats, just rounded OPs
And either way, we're not deciding the things stats we're predicting them. Which means its more plausible to go by GF standard and trend, rather than "hurr its gotta be OU!!" Pseudos are rarely OU and you'd be better off theorycrafting Lycanroc, Lurantis, and Tsareena as OU 'mons

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I tried to predict them but decided that they were unpredictable.

>>29401921
How can this possibly still be a thing when half of all pokemon worth using period have a 4x weakness?

Scizor, Heatran, Gliscor, ebin genie of muhmentum, Stingulor, Salamence, Tyranitar, Magnezone, Celebi, Garchomp, Ferrothorn, Volcarona, Heracross, Bravest Birb, Weavile, Dragonite, Diancie, etc

>>29402143
>Pseudos are rarely OU
The only Psuedo not to be OU in its debut generation is Sligoo's evo, which was because Sligoo's evo is totally unusable and shit in every conceivable aspect. Salamence, Hydreigon and Metagross dropped off in Gens 6, 6 and 5 respectively iirc. Tyranitar, Dragonite and Garchomp have been OU or better since forever

That faggot actually made Sliggoo's evo trigger the spam filter

>>29402110
It's not... TOO bad? For the early game rodent? Maybe?

It won't be surviving anything stronger than a sneeze though.

There's also a a chance for a good HA, like Diggersby.

>>29402143
>Pseudos are rarely OU
That didn't start becoming a thing until gen 6 power creep. Before that every single one of them was OU or higher.

>>29402244
It's ability Stakeout can be pretty good. Strong Jaw isn't bad either with Hyper Fang/Crunch.

>>29402110
> bootyass Stakeout ability
> slow as shit normal shitmon is the only one that gets it
I'm legit triggered

>>29402239
Hasnt Salamence been UU or BL at best since ever? Why use Sally when Drago exists?

>>29402110
remember, stats were lowered to make the demo easier to play through.

>>29402300
Analytic boosts your damage when the opponent switches in or when you move last, so it's still the better ability

>>29402316
Because Dragonite was only better than Salamence starting in Gen 5? Did you forget that it was OU in Gen 3 and Uber in Gen 4?

>>29402316
In gen 3 he was OU because of the superior speed
In gen 4 he was moved to Uber at the last second because of its amazing movepool and STAB outrage
In gen 5 it was OU but it kinda fell behind Dragonite
In gen 6 it fell to UU because Zard X was a thing and Dragonite outclassed

>>29402316
> 120 speed and 150 attack as a mega

>>29402316
Salamence was OU, Uber, OU, UU/Uber, in that order, so no

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OP again, this one turned out pretty strange but w/e, >>29402341 is probably right on at Yungoos and Pikipek being off.

Toucan's predicted base stats:

HP 63
ATK 135
DEF 54
SP.ATK 54
SP.DEF 54
SPEED 117
TOTAL 478

Pidove's BST is similar to Pikipek's so I used Unfeazant's BST.

>>29402361
>>29402361
Mega salamence existed in Gen 3? How did you get it

>>29402092
It would be fine if it was a fast attacker you fucking idiot, a very common 4 times weakness on a slowish defensive mon combined with a weakness to a lot of the other popular attacking types means this thing will be most likely be low-UU at best unless its movepool is amazing

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>>29402453
>same attack as salamence and metagross
>faster than both
>faster than starmie or gengar
>Skill link bullet seed and rock blast

>>29402532
>What is heatran
>what is gliscor
>what is ferrothorn
>what is Breloom
>what is scizor

why do you choose to have an opinion on something you know you know nothing about? I don't know anything about geology so I don't go to geology forums and tell them that igneous rocks are bullshit. I don't go to a urologist to insist that I can pulverize kidney stones better than they can. I don't go to your your house and tell you that I'm more retarded than you are.

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>>29402535
>mfw he gets Tail Slap and a new multihit Flying move

>>29401619
Actually scratch that, its defense is probably base 135 like most pseudos best stat (not 130).

>>29402535
tfw Gamefreak actually does something amazing and makes it Grass/Flying

>>29402532

It's a Dragon AND Fighting, of course it's movepool is going to be amazing.

All those mons either have amazing defensive typing or spore unlike Kommo-o.
Scizor and Breloom have STAB technician priority on top of that.

>>29402796
was meant for >>29402598

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Finally, the toughest one to guess, Lycanroc's base stats (both formes).

If based on Purrloin:
HP 72
ATK 104
DEF 64
SP.ATK 48
SP.DEF 64
SPEED 96
TOTAL 446

If based on Riolu:
HP 84
ATK 122
DEF 75
SP.ATK 56
SP.DEF 75
SPEED 113
TOTAL 525

>>29402849
I guarantee you that both it's forms will have different spreads. Didn't pre-release info say Midnight has higher defense than Midnight? Lycanroc is impossible to guess to the point where we shouldn't bother

>>29402974
It didn't say anything, but it has Counter as a pseudo signature move so it might be bulkier than Midday. Samewise, Midday has accelrock so it might be faster/stronger.

>>29401727
B-but Haxorus also gets DD.

>>29403162
Yes, but Haxorus's main flaw is its own typing alongside its stat distribution. It can barely take hits by switching in or getting that crucial D-dance up since its stats are so focused on offense. And pure Dragon is not that that great either. Hakamo-o has a ridiculously good STAB in Fighting which helps it with coverage. Haxorus mainly relyes on STAB and with Fairy, its original win button (Outrage) is not that great anymore despite being still used, but not that great like how it used to be.

Does anyone have the stat guesses for Luchalitten that was made yesterday? Can't find the thread in the archive.

>>29402532
You literally just described Tyranitar, which is one of the best Pokémon in OU.
>>29402598 is right, why is /vp/ (or at least a significant portion of it) head on pants retarded when it comes to competitive, holy fucking shit.

>>29403251
>tfw there will never be a dragon/steel haxorus/M-Haxorus

Literally the perfect opportunity to take that fucking amazing typing out of ubers and into standard play and they skipped it and made Haxorus, the apex of the best looking dragon type line in the game into a completely generic pure dragon that is outclassed in all of its roles by either Salamence or Garchomp.

>>29403345
>>29376990

>>29403251
Yeah, maybe Haxorus would be better if it got Intimidate instead of Rivalry. Would help with the setup, as its Defense isn't that bad.
A better movepool may help too.

>>29403387
Tyranitar also gets the 50% sdef boost from sandstorm which makes his effective BST the highest without a hindering ability in OU. He also has a retarded movepool that allows him to run as literally anything except a physically defensive wall. I can't think of a pokemon more versatile than Tyranitar. Scarf, Band, DD, Mega, Mixed wallbreaker, assault vest tank, smooth stone sand support, ect. Granted some of those sets are much better in battlespot than in OU.

As long as he's physically oriented and has a good movepool he'll be OU, but if he has to lean too heavily on STAB and doesn't get the right boosting moves it'll probably fall off in usage. Will still be very good in battlespot IMO because M-Garde is very popular there.

>>29402453
Okay with a little speed control support this is legitimately terrifying. I highly doubt GF would permit such a monstrosity to exist with skill link, it probably loses skill link, or doesn't have stats that good.

>>29403390
Every Gen 5 Dragon-type looked like dogshit so the apex of being the best looking dragon line is like being the least retarded person in a special ed class

>>29403510
So the legends are true. /vp/ really IS home to the anon with the shittiest taste of all time.

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>>29403510
What did you say about me, you little bitch?

>>29403387
But anon, Ttar has a great movepool, and stats to back it up, with all the defense stats being at 100 or higher. Don't forget that it naturally gets a 50% SpDef boost when in sand, which it sets up for itself.
And even when uninvested, it's not a sitting duck, as it sports 134 base attack. Tyranitar also has some nice utility, setting up rocks or sand and tanking just about every hit from some of the best special attackers, and in the case of Latios, Pursuit trapping them.

We still have to see what Kommo-O will do.

>>29402110
If this is true, and Gumshoos has 114 Base Atk
+2 252 Atk Raticate (Gumshoos's attack) Return vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 402-474 (62.6 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This fucker 2HKOs Chansey on switch with Stakeout

>>29403552
>There are people who think that pinhead larry is a good design
I'll give you this much, Iris' champion theme was pretty neat

>>29403615
>switching chansey into physical attacks

Unless it gets good coverage it's kind of fucked. I would expect at least crunch and possibly the fang moves.

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Bonus - assuming Zygarde's spread doesn't change between forms and doesn't double all its stats (it would be broken).

Zygarde Complete predicted base stats:

HP 216
ATK 119
DEF 144
SP.ATK 96
SP.DEF 113
SPEED 113
TOTAL: 800

Zygarde 10% predicted base stats:

HP 54
ATK 70
DEF 85
SP.ATK 57
SP.DEF 67
SPEED 67
TOTAL: 400

For reference, Zygarde 50% has 600 BST. Zygarde Complete just with the HP boost alone surpasses 700 BST.

>>29403571
That's my point, you can't decide if a Pokémon is good based on typing and PROJECTED stats alone. We don't have enough to go on yet.

>>29403755
What are you basing these BSTs off of? Zygarde 10% is supposed to be a very fast pupper moving at incredibly hihg speeds according to pre-release info

>>29401734
>muh patterns

>>29403876
"Muh patterns" doesn't work if that pattern is what defines it in the first place, retard.

>>29403705
It also does at least 61% to quagsire, 68% to Rotom wash, 52% to Slowbro, 67% to Clefable, OHKOs Ferrothorn with fire fang, and 70% to Gliscor with just Jolly and Stakeout.
I feel like this mon will be really good trapper with its inverse pursuit, but won't do much easy match.

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>>29403829
I said, assuming they have the same spread as Zygarde 50% (which is probably not the case).
But we can try to guess it based on flavor text.

Zygarde 10% (mantains physical attack and speed) base stats:

HP 54
ATK 100
DEF 62
SP.ATK 41
SP.DEF 48
SPEED 95
TOTAL 400

Zygarde Complete (mantains defenses and speed) base stats:

HP 216
ATK 151
DEF 121
SP.ATK 122
SP.DEF 95
SPEED 95
TOTAL 800

>>29404096
You need to be able to force something out to take advantage of Stakeout. It's strongest move will probably be Return or Double Edge and it's slow as dick, so it won't be hard to stay in and OHKO or to stay in and lap up it's weak hits if it's brought in on a defensive mon

>>29404120
A weapon to surpass megafug

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>>29401799
>implying Tyrantrum is good

>>29404977
If Kommo-o doesn't outspeed Haxorus then it will be as good as Tyrantrum so.

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>>29401619
>speed 93

>all these mons with shit stats

>>29402662
Grass flying why? Bullet seed STAB?

>>29403098
That would be a good assumption.

>>29402974
>>29403098
Midnight has poor defenses judging by how much it took from Arcanine's Outrage. That move does about the same to Zoroark.

Midday is probably faster and Midnight is probably stronger.

>>29405762
I actually think Midnight will have a good HP stats but dogshit defenses to abuse Counter. Think Emboar-esque bulk.

>>29406072
It must have paper low defenses then because 80/60 hp/defense gets what Arcanine did with an outrage

>>29404120
One would think complete Zygarde gets more Sp. Def and Speed before it gets all that Sp. Atk.

>>29403876
nigger

>>29406153
So it definetly must have high Atk and venerable Speed. I can't see anything else if this is the case (which is good since at least GF didn't made another defensive Rock type and I remember it did huge amount of damage to Dartrix).