/ptcgg/ Pokémon TCG/O General: Another set with 90%+ useless

So, will there be a deck based around the new Mewtwo or will it just be a 1-2 of tech?

>>29400765
second for my new meme deck will change the meta

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kill me

>>29400812
I think its HP is too low for this format but I think I could use a copy as a tech card in a few decks to counter specific cards as a tech.

I might use it in my keldeo deck actually as an alternative to mewtwo-ex.

>>29400915
The best part is when the majority of that time is them literally doing nothing.

>>29401145
the other day I won the finale of a tournament because my opponent timed out while winning

Oh shit they bringing old cards back all buffed?

>>29401371
If all that matters is having the same art then yes they're "bringing back old cards". Most of the cards are completely different and there's even some nerfs.

>>29400765
>Evolutions is supposed to capitalize on Base Set nostalgia
>uses the Japanese layout instead of the Wizards layout

Why does the Japanese version have one holo included in every pack but not in the English version.

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We went to Evolutions prerelease. There's basically no good cards in that set. Brock's Grit is pretty alright. I pulled a Mega Pidgeot EX but traded it for a Surfing Pikachu because it's a secret rare and also LOOK AT IT.

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>>29401371
it's kind of weird. They all seem to have the same HP/damage values but slightly tweaked. Like this Farfetch'd: his Leek Slap now just says "You can't use Leek Slap on the next turn.", which makes it way better than most of the set, especially with 1 retreat cost.

Are the shop/redeem codes features down for anyone else? Can't seem to redeem any codes or visit the shop.

>>29401756
Maybe they're finally fixing the boxes that were bugged last week?

Haha, nah they're probably just doing nothing.

>>29401627

>Implying the Secret Rares in this set will be as rare as normal SRs

From all the packs I got I pulled 2 Billingual Exeggutors and a lot of people opened different Secret Rares too those five "Secret Rares" actually replaces an Uncommon in the pack

>>29401756

Idk, but I just tried to open a pack and it has frozen. Something might have gone wrong.

I noticed that Machamp EVO's Ability is called Counterattack, and not Strikes Back like in Base Set. Was the Japanese version also called Counterattack or did the localization team just drop the ball?

>>29401782
>not censoring the tokens
its over now I hijacked your pack and hacked your account
say goodbye to your ultraballs

>>29400765
>This entire set
Getting an SR Brock and Misty is going to be expensive with such shitty cards in the set.

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>>29401825

No pls. I need those 10 SRUBs.

>>29401872

Agreed. It's hard to be hype when most of the cards in this set are garbage.

>>29401885

I closed and reopened the client and it froze again. Gonna wait a while before I have another go at opening the pack.

>>29401822

The Japanese verison for both Machamps have はんげき (反撃), which literally means Counterattack.

>>29401872

They are just regular full art cards with Brock being somewhat usable and no one uses Misty ...

>MUH NOSTALGIA WAIFU

I say $15~20 tops

>>29401932

Yeah, that's what I figured. Kinda shits on the nostalgia a little bit, but I get it.

>>29401932
I'd have preferred a FA of HG/SS Misty than the Misty from gen 1.

Too bad it'll never happen.
I guess the FA Misty we have for now isn't bad, even it's pretty dogshit.

This set could have been really good if they re-released some old broken cards as ace spec cards.

>ace spec computer search reprint
>ace spec energy removal
Oh man, would've been great

>generations to capitalize on nostalgiafags
>evolutions to capitalize on nostalgiafags
can't wait for sun moon set to actually breath life into the game

>>29402026

>alola forms are gen 1 exclusive
>Alola regional dex is filled with Kanto mons, no way SM1 won't be
>Lapras GX
>Snorlax GX

The genwunner pandering is going to continue all throughout gen 7, I have no doubt.

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Wanted to open a pack and it froze

>>29402192
that doesn't matter. There will still be new shit. Not rehashes of old shitty cards, not a set full of bad cards like generations.

>>29401932
>I say $15~20 tops
Yeah, that is what I meant by expensive. Considering it is a shitty card that no one uses.

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>Here comes Team Rocket is a SR
>doesn't use a FA with pic related
Fuck this shit.

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>>29402781
You'll get a full art of it in a year.

>>29402830
>tfw there will never be a Meowth-EX to counter the Pikachu-EX

>>29402781
It's not like it's a good card anyway.

>no way to deny your opponent their prizes
>now your opponent knows which prizes they have and which to get at any point
>it's a supporter too when there's an item that does the exact thing but only for you

Literally not well thought out at all, can't even think of a niche for it.

>>29402318

Same thing happened to me >>29401782. Shop is down too, but apparently they're trying to fix it.

>>29401145
I wouldn't mind, but my deck was a Vespiquen with dozen of moves. His was just Regice.. but 30-60 seconds between every interaction..

>>29401756
hopefully they are bringing back those two decks they pulled, this time with the right coins in.

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Going to buy the physical cards to make this deck, any tip?

>>29403740
Run a meta deck and not a deck that gets run over by garbodor if you're going to invest so much into the game.

At least greninja nigga.

>>29403740
Your numbers in this deck are fucked up.
Skip the Talonflames, you don't need them. Go to one pikachu and go to three Raikou. Magnezones are important so 3-1-3 will be better. Cut Center lady it's a trash card. Three fisherman is one too many. Birch Observations sucks, play N. Use Shaymin-EX or at the very least 2-2 Octillery (who's great for refilling hand after spilling a bunch of energy onto a mon). One letter will be fine. One rod will be fine. Why are you running Ranger? Jolteon/Glaceon/Regice? You can attack with Magnezones as well so it shouldn't be much of an issue.

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These are my rarest tradeable Pokemon cards, what are these worth? I wanted to build a vespiquen deck.

http://thecharizardlounge.com/2016/09/05/the-buzz-on-vespiquen-without-battle-compressor/

>>29403935
literally nothing

Online store is back up faggets.

Also, is there a search tool that will let me look for cards that inflict different statuses. I'm looking to build some basic decks to start a PTCG on my college and that tool would be extremely useful.

>>29404006
Not even a few packs?

>>29403935
Xern and Yvelt are your most valuable and they're still not worth much.

If you're looking for in game prices then cross check in game trades and trade companies for a relative price. If you're asking irl, then check amazon and ebay.

>>29403935
These aren't worth much, those EXs are all bad. Zoroark and Xerneas are worthy literally nothing. Yveltal can be exchanged for a couple vespiquens, maybe.
If you are lucky you can get 3 or maybe 4 packs for them.

>>29404021
http://www.pokepedia.net/ let you search all card by all sorts of conditions.

or you can search for specific chunks of text in the client. If all else fails, advanced search within https://pkmncards.com/

>>29403935
I have one spare Vespi you can have for any old shit. I have 17 trade locked. whats your ign?

>No new Kadabra card
Check.

>Inconsistent gimmick sets persist
Check.

>Other game types released at less than snale's pace
Checkeroony.

Whelp, time to leave the game alone for another decade.

Who else is making a Delphox/Arcanine meme deck when Arcanine Break comes out?

>>29404471
>minimum of 3 or so turns to setup
>most good decks already hitting your fully evolved for 2HKO by turn two typically

Nah.

I've seen some locals wanna play mega venasaur though, might make me want to get Olympia.

>>29404548
That's why I said meme deck.
If you get to set up it could become a very fun match.

So where can I find a visual spoiler for evolutions? I need to study up with the new cards.

>>29404602
there
are
no
good
new
cards

>>29404602
http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Evolutions_Prerelease_Tournaments_begin

>>29404574
Dunno, seems too slow to be fun to play.

I already get mad when I get a shaymin, 3 energy, and 2 vs seekers in my hand.

I don't need to be getting mad at this because I don't get exactly the combo I need.

My for fun deck is Keldeo, and man is that deck a shit ton of fun in expanded.

>>29404625
Rattata is a good tech card in some decks.
Mewtwo is a decent card, probably a tech card.

Brock is a niche super rod, good for fishing out with VS Seeker. Might actually run it over VS seeker in a few decks due to fucking so many times I have to discard by super rod.

>>29404625
Raticate, Dragonite-EX, Stramie, and Brock could all surprise someone who isn't prepared for them

>>29404669
*run it over super rod in a few decks

jesus, I'm awful.

>>29404216
>no new kadabra card
if you want that to change you'll have to kill uri geller for us instead of blame tcpi lmao

Are there any Pokemon similar to Forretress in the current standard format? The one who puts 10 damage counters on all of your opponents Pokemon when you evolve it. Trying to make a fun Mega Gallade deck and I was looking for some options. Currently I'm using Zubat and his evos.

>>29404628
Is pokedex any good?

>>29405198

The promo Celebi and Trevenant BREAK put damage counters on everything. Those are attacks though and not abilities.

Alakazam-EX has an ability which puts damage counters down, but only on 2 Pokemon.

>>29405198
>>29405257
You could try M-Gallade - M-Alakazam, I have had good success with just normal Gallade EX and M-Alakazam and was also thinking of trying out M-Gallade on the team.

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Freezing breath has saved me so many times I love this card.

Ask someone who just got fucking rekt by a yanmega break deck anything.

>>29406553
Knowing my luck it'll be sleep that doesn't last a turn

shud i buy a booster box case of evolutions? (Im assuming the charizard URs are gonna be valuable ie flashfire)

Will the new Dragonite be playable? Cool effect and not the worst attack

>>29406677

It'll be usable in M Fug and Despair Ray M Gardevoir decks due to its Ability

>>29400765
>Another set with 90%+ useless cards
>says every fucking TCG before a set releases
Poetry.

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>>29406630
This card isnt a reprint right? How much will it be worth?

>>29406591
Why aren't you running a fucking garbodor idiot.

>>29406630
No.

>>29406848
$30 minimum

>>29406873
And not 50? WHY

>>29406873
Oh u said minimun. If only ppl knew how much i regret daily that i never bought a flashfire boostercase

>>29407654
I miss Bronzong :(

>>29407703
I miss battle compressor

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>Match VS opponent with Greninja BREAK deck
>Turn 2, opponent N's me into oblivion with a six card hand with 5 energies
>I draw N myself, and play him
>Get an Ultra Ball
>Fetch a Garbodor and evolve my benched Trubbish
>They concede

>I didn't even have a Tool to attach to Garbodor

help
How much is a mega steelix ex?

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I want to meme hard with golurk in expanded, what are some energy accelerators? Also if I use superpower's effect do i still take 20 damage? i resist 20

Options i know of

>yveltal
>carbink
>landrous
>volcanion

>>29408377
>>29408377
wait does garbodor even affect this? i have an ancient trait that prevent abilities from affecting golurk

>>29408496
Your own garbodor would.

>>29408377

As long as your ability is working, you don't take recoil damage.

>>29408509
>>29408537
thanks

If a garbodor garbodor's my garbodor's ability how do I win the card game?

>>29409014
You play N.

The answer is always N.

>>29407654
If you are going to post that then at least update it so newbs don't get misled.

Vileplume toolbox is dogshit in this client. The clumping ruins it.

>>29410208
>clumping
It's true RNG. There is no clumping.

>>29410226
Yeah yeah yeah say that to my constant stream of 4 rainbow.

>>29410208
>24 pokemon, most of which are useless in a given matchup
>10 dead cards after vileplume set up
The deck is just really clunky

>>29410226
>mulligan
>receive exact same hand back

>>29410281
No excuse to draw 3-4 copies of an energy at once every fucking game. No excuse to have all ultra balls and Vileplumes in the last 20 cards every game.

My favorite, 2 DCE 2 Rainbow 2 Jolteon, Trainer's Mail for 3 Oddish and a Mew.

Oh next game the exact same fucking hand, only one Jolteon is an Oddish. Cool.

>>29410519
That's enough to attack, isn't it?

How do I unlock the XY basic red blue and green decks if I already have the BW varriants?
Ive finished the tutorial again but didnt get them

Splendid! 3 Vileplume and Shaymin start. What fantastic shuffling. 20 basics and I never start a good one. Would love to go first for once as well.

>>29410539
You mean attack once and die to Mega Mewtwo?

OH FUCKING BOY. YET ANOTHER SEEMINGLY FINE JOLTEON/ODDISH START AND ALL FUCKING STADIUMS BURIED OR PRIZED, DRAW INTO TWO GLOOMS WITHOUT A WAY TO EVOLVE.

Sick of this shit tier client. Every fucking deck bricks 100% of the time. Sick of all copies of essential cards being in the bottom 10 every fucking game. I once had the final 4 cards be my DCE in Vespiquen.

>>29410666
>mmewtwo
ok, drop both jolteons and stall for regice or glaceon or ninja boy

>>29410742
You mean with my hand that can't fucking draw any cards due to excessive clumping you fucking idiot? I lost turn one.

Now I'm trying Yanmega to get this fucking grass challenge and my first fucking hand had all 3 Breaks in it with no fucking way to draw and two DCE topdecks.

Does going to the pre release give you code cards? if so how many and what do they entail?

>>29410800
> I lost turn one.
How?
You had two pokemon in your hand.

>>29410733
Dude, calm your fucking autism.

It's complete RNG, holy fuck. I get mad too but it's pointless anger.

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Is the night striker theme deck good? I want to play the Theme deck event to win packs and it also has a card that I need in my deck (Zoroark)

>>29410944
No, you have the best theme deck already.
If you need zoroarks its fine to buy anyways

>>29410957
What's the best theme deck?

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I'm adding one Spinda to my fire deck deck because fuck Gyarados

>>29410957
Crushing current.

>>29410810
Because I didn't draw any fucking thing to draw with you illiterate fucking buffoon.

>>29410869
RNG that rigs certain players to brick every game, not letting them play any deck and waste their fucking time.

>>29410995
I don't have that deck, how do I get it??

>>29410998
So?
You had a few turns to stall for a draw supporter.

>>29411008
Play with it in the trainer challenge.

>>29410998
Post your decklist faggot

>>29410998
Stop playing card games.

End of the fucking day, card games are complete rng no matter how well you build your deck.

>>29411008
You have that deck.

Would a redo of Jungle Mr. Mime be better or worse?

>>29411046
Same one that got second at regionals. All I want is a quick fucking 60 coins but no, I can't even get a turn one Gloom.

>>29411203
Post your wins and losses with the deck

>>29411203
if you want coins then just play trevenant in expanded and set up turn 1

>>29411062
Actually no, I haven't completed the challenges

>>29411216
21/38, most games don't last more than two turns, most wins are from turn 1 bricks by them resulting in a forfeit, like every deck, most losses are from me forfeiting after a turn 1 brick or a turn 1 of me drawing into a dead hand and giving up because I don't want to waste fucking time hoping for a miracle topdeck knowing it never ever comes in this shit game. I've played it too much to assume otherwise.

>>29411224
>grass
>Trev
If I grind the ladder I just get tickets or hit the same square over and over, fuck that. Best coin grinds are Vileplume or Yanmega and Greninja.

>>29411315
You are a superstitious idiot.

>>29411350
Yeah fuck years of experience.

>>29411366
Calculate it out nigga.

>>29411401
How about you, mister ignorant dipshit who doesn't show up to leagues or know anything about how the game is really played, shut the fuck up about shit you know nothing of.

>>29411517
Why are you so angry?

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>>29411517

>>29411532
Because this client is shit and gets defended by people who don't even play the game with other real people. More than half the games someone bricks, regardless of deck, and the game just ends there or they get steamrolled. It's awful. Even doing seemingly simple evolution challenges is like pulling teeth. There is no excuse.

>when his clock is into minute 22 and he hasn't even flipped his opener yet.

>mfw people can't into card games

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>>29410998
>Angry Amerifats at it again
I should just stick to the euro sleeping schedule so I don't need to read this bullshit

>>29411593
But a lot of us actually do retard.

Also a lot of tournament matches REGULARLY have one side or another brick. Hell, worlds had a greninja deck fucking brick.

Bricking is part of the game, it happens.
Just calm your fucking tits and learn to accept this is a trading card game, there is luck involved.

If you want a game with almost to no fucking rng in it then fucking play a fighting game or some shit. But then you'll just complain that >WOW EVERYONE PLAYS THIS CHARACTER AND IT MAKES MY CHARACTER SO HARD TO PLAY
Fuck off.

>>29411864
Whatever you say.

My experience is the client is in no way representative of the actual TCG. It's one thing to brick once every 5 or 6 matches, it's another to brick the same hands over and over. I mean you run like 16 basics, you'd think a brick would be a hand of mons, not a hand of one or two mons and all your energy.

>>29411864
>unironically defending bricking

>>29412004
Bricking happens, if you brick then you need to look at your deck and consider whether it was because your deck is badly made or whether it was actually because you had bad luck that game.

I've had a game where all 3 of my mega scizors were prized and I started shaymeme along with a bunch of worthless items in my hand. They happen, you move on.

>>29411997
It literally is, this is why most sanctioned games are BO3 or at least two rounds versus the same opponent. But whatever makes you feel better m8, it's just a friggin children's card game.

To be honest, you make me realize how futile and stupid I am for ever getting upset when I have one sided games due to bad draws.
I'd rather not look as retarded as you.

>muh bricking

you brick online because your deck is actually shit so when it shuffles randomly you get bad hands

you don't brick in real life because you and 99% of people are shit at shuffling, leading to semi-random hands as opposed to the truly random hands online

this has been discussed to death by just about everyone, including the game's devs

feel free to suck it up or fuck off, because they aren't going to develop some complex system that mimics your shit, real life shuffling

>>29412116
Nobody asked if it happened. This isn't an argument.

>>29412198
>you don't brick in real life because you and 99% of people are shit at shuffling
this this this

>>29412198
>decklist is literally netdecked from Orlando regionals
>hurr ur dek iz shit
Kill yourself my main man

>>29412198
Since shit shuffles are legal, shouldn't you have the option in-client to shit shuffle?

>>29412241
>Since shit shuffles are legal
I'm sorry, what?

>>29412282
>you and 99% of people are shit at shuffling
Ergo, if 99% of people are doing something, it's legal.

>>29412298
99% of players probably don't play in sanctioned tournaments though.

>>29412198
>the client is actually truly random when it gives you repeated hands over and over, draws Unown off Unown every time you use it and just generally does dumb shit it's actually just bad luck, and everyone who plays the game with any deck is really unlucky
>all decks are shit

That's some might huge acrobatics you're doing, champ. I didn't know me, everyone at league, and everyone who plays any card game IRL is Penn Jillette and performs nothing but fraudulent shuffles and that is why the game is more consistent in person than in a poorly-coded client.

>>29412345
How are you shuffling?
I could probably write up a simulation to show why its shit

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>>29412345
Players, willingly or not, have shuffle habits that cause decks to stack in certain ways. Hand-shuffling will never provoke true rng, it'll always be less random than it could possibly be due to shuffling methods.
Also if you ever shuffle like pic related kill yourself because it's not actually shuffling at all, and if you ever see someone shuffle like this, make sure to take their deck and shuffle it properly instead of cutting it.

>>29412407
Watch the finals for juniors of worlds this year. One kid looks through his deck to tutor for something, then does this literally once, and then the opponent just cuts their deck. It was so painful little japanese kids are the worst.

>>29412345
>That's some might huge acrobatics you're doing, champ.
The alternative is to imply DWD has coded an advanced AI that can dynamically analyze your deck, figure out exactly what the worst options are, and give it to you more times than not. You're also proposing this AI knows exactly when it's been recorded, which is why the two people who have put together spreadsheets to show that any claims of foul play are just confirmation bias don't count.

That's much fewer acrobatics than assuming they use a simple RNG you learn in your first day of any programming course.

Mew-EX+Shedinja is quite honestly the funniest deck I have ever seen. I won, but i was surprised.

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>losing
>play N
>opponent draws nothing for 5 turns

I love you N

it's another "i can shuffle better than a truly random program" thread.

>>29412854
>true random
>identical hands return more than once every 23223252 hands

>>29412478
To be fair, if it was for Yugioh, that's a much better solution since the opponent is likely going back to search their deck in like 2 seconds.

>>29412871
If something only comes up once in every so many hands, that's hardly random is it?

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Fixed.

>>29412872
In both Yugioh and Pokemon it's commonly accepted that you can hesitate to shuffle your deck until you're ready just in case you decide to search your deck. Usually a player tilts their deck sideways and says something like "Going back in."

>>29413085
im no expert and my gut tells me no

>>29413068
Subtle. But I like it.

>>29413160
I don't think that's something you can do at something as serious as finals at worlds, even if you're in the junior division though.
Rules say decks must be randomized after searching.

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>>29413068
>>29413228

Then you'll like this one. No coin flips and it's not an ex

>>29413268
Obviously in top 8 and up when every turn action is monitored meticulously by at least one judge something that informal wouldn't fly. I didn't watch the match in question though. If the kid poorly shuffled his deck and then drew from it instead of searching soon after, then it was the opponent's fault for not paying attention.

>>29413301
The joke, anon. You missed it.

>>29413848
:D

Ah, soon I will have to purchase Pokemon cards once more.
From what I understand we'll be getting a taste in November with a full release in 2017?
My... 'living' Pokedex must remain complete after all.

>>29401538
Because the japanese version is better, I bought the japanese ones, wont be buying these. They cost more too kek.

Are shaymins still approximately 48 steam siege?

>>29414108
No.
You can probably get one for 40 or even less if you wait a bit. The price has been steadily declining.

With Volcanion banned, what's your excuse for not playing Scizor?

>>29414570
Weakness rarely affects the viability of a deck
Scizor isn't a good deck

>>29402878
Yeah, they could have at least added Lt. Surge's Treaty's effect to it.

>>29414108
>>29414116
I honestly don't know why people bother trading for them at such a high price. I've only casually opened locked RS packs and I got the two FA I care to have.

>>29414605
I think the market might be manipulated?

>>29414589
>I'm just going to claim its bad and give no reasons to believe why

Been pretty solid to me so far.

>>29414608
I think people are just too lazy and believe the pull rate meme. I've pulled both of mine in less than a month of mostly opening non-RS packs.

>>29414613
>I'm just going to claim its good and give no reasons to believe why

I've yet to see anyone lose to it.

>>29414623
You have to actually play the game to make that comment matter.

>>29414631
You have to actually play the game to make that comment matter.

>>29414613
>zero (0) top 32 spots in orlando
You also have a really bad time against yveltal and darkrai decks.

>>29414640
That's not an argument about viability though. For that to make sense you'd have to take into account a lot more variables than mere placements.

>>29414665

Not to mention that he needs a larger pool of data consisting of more than one tournament, a single tournament just isn't enough.

Orlando is also known for giving us some VERY weird results, remember when that M Gardevoir-EX deck topped in Orlando?

>>29414665
We've had this thread before. You're going to claim that placements don't determine viability. He's going to claim that placements are the only thing that matters. The thread will go back and forth for an hour and nothing will get anywhere.

>>29414685
>Not to mention that he needs a larger pool of data consisting of more than one tournament, a single tournament just isn't enough.
What's important is that while one side of the argument has "not enough data", the other side has "literally no data" and what little data we do have says the opposite.

We had data indicating that Scizor is incapable of topping even on a regionals level. We have no data suggesting it's a good deck.

>>29414708
"incapable" is an inaccurate conclusion.

You cannot conclude that it is "incapable" merely from one instance where it did not. The only accurate conclusion you can make from that data is that it "did not" top at that one event. This does not mean it cannot or will not at future events. You have to read way past your available data to make that sort of leaping conclusion.

Your argument of "some data vs no data" is equally fallacious. If I flip a coin once and the coin comes up heads, I cannot then proceed to conclude that the coin will only ever come up heads. You'd honestly have to be an imbecile to believe that such a conclusion could be found with such a small data sample.

>>29414764
>If I flip a coin once and the coin comes up heads, I cannot then proceed to conclude that the coin will only ever come up heads.
You also can't proceed to conclude that the coin is magical, or that the coin might change into a pence mid-air, or that it will never land, or that the face will be blank after you call it. Which is what Scizorfags are doing. Just because we don't have enough data doesn't mean you can draw wild conclusions from what we do have or make baseless assumptions.

The thing is, there were Scizor players at Orlando and they did not top. These are facts. The current set of data suggests Scizor is S H I T. There's currently zero reason for anyone to even remotely suggest Scizor is a tournament-viable deck, because there's currently zero evidence to support that theory.

Think of it like this: there are hundreds of decks that did EXACTLY AS WELL as Scizor, or arguably even better because they weren't brought at all and ergo didn't have a chance to lose like Scizor did. Why isn't anyone arguing that M Altaria is a good deck and we just don't have enough data to support it topping? Do we still not have enough data to place Magma Aggron on the tier list, since I'm sure it'll top in the future? Why isn't M Steelix getting such support here?

Yet Scizor, for whatever retarded reason, is getting hyped to fuck and back in these threads despite it flopping, probably because half the poorfags here use it as their pet deck.

>>29414812
This here is one seriously triggered rainbowfag.

>>29414827
You sure showed me, I guess I'll delete my post and go build a Scizor deck to bring to Worlds.

>>29414812
You probably don't realize that the majority of your post isn't an argument.

You start off with a string of straw arguments as some sort of pretend refutation to the example. Your sample is still far too small to make the sort of conclusions you're trying to draw from it. It doesn't require magical thinking to believe that Scizor can place at events if all variables are considered. (Who plays the deck, how many people play the deck, who the deck is matched against in lower rounds, who is playing those decks it is matched against in lower rounds.) All of these variables are important but you take none of them into account in a rash (I'd say need since you seem like you really need something to validate your irrational hatred of the deck for some unknown reason.) race to a conclusion. Your method is flawed and thus so is your conclusion. We've been over this and you're frankly just wrong.

>
Think of it like this: there are hundreds of decks that did EXACTLY AS WELL as Scizor, or arguably even better because they weren't brought at all and ergo didn't have a chance to lose like Scizor did. Why isn't anyone arguing that M Altaria is a good deck and we just don't have enough data to support it topping? Do we still not have enough data to place Magma Aggron on the tier list, since I'm sure it'll top in the future? Why isn't M Steelix getting such support here?
None of this is an argument. I'm honestly not sure what you're getting at. A lack of data doesn't make something more unlikely by mere virtue of a lack of data. You can discount things that are literally impossible without a need for data so your silly examples are obviously right out. However, your examples that actually fit the format are (and you're going to be upset about this I'm sure) technically viable given the available data. There is ultimately still a non-zero chance that any of those decks will make it to top rounds at a future event.

>>29414839
Called it.

>>29414885
You're trying hard to show some fallacy fallacy instead of actually tackling the points being argued here.

>It doesn't require magical thinking to believe that Scizor can place at events if all variables are considered.
What's an argument for Scizor that also CAN'T apply to every single deck that didn't top?

>(Who plays the deck, how many people play the deck, who the deck is matched against in lower rounds, who is playing those decks it is matched against in lower rounds.)
If good players aren't piloting the deck; if no one actually wants to bring the deck; if the deck is getting knocked out early, aren't all of these signs that the deck is bad? If there were some validity to the theory of Scizor being viable, why didn't good players bring it, or any of the things you listed happen?

Just look at the facts: the deck didn't top, no one wanted to bring it, and the topping players all chose a slew of other decks over it.

>A lack of data doesn't make something more unlikely by mere virtue of a lack of data.
There is no lack of data, there is insufficient data, and there's a critical difference. We're not unsure on whether or not Scizor can top. It DIDN'T top, period. That's not a "lack" of data, that's a presence of data that shows the lack of viability in the deck.

Can Scizor top in the future? Maybe, but the current evidence does NOT suggest that and actually suggests the opposite. You can say - with the same exact arguments, mind you - that ANY other given deck has an equal chance of topping at a future event. Scizor's track record is identical to that of several hundred others as of right now.

>You can discount things that are literally impossible without a need for data so your silly examples are obviously right out.
>There is ultimately still a non-zero chance that any of those decks will make it to top rounds at a future event.
Which one is it? You're saying I'm not making sense, but then go on to contradict yourself in two adjacent sentences?

>>29414927
>fallacy fallacy
No its not. Your arguments, like your method are simply poorly founded.

>What's an argument for Scizor that also CAN'T apply to every single deck that didn't top?
Not my job. You made the assertion that Scizor cannot because it has not. As I said. literally any of your possible meme decks CAN place given the right alignment of stars. What's your point? Did you have one?

>Just look at the facts: the deck didn't top, no one wanted to bring it, and the topping players all chose a slew of other decks over it.
That's a lot of assumptions labeled as "facts." I'm not surprised by this, but here we are. You say "aren't" when you should say "didn't." You still only have one data point and you're extrapolating it to an entire season. Additionally, you're making assumptions about data you don't have and just filling in the blanks with confirmation biased asspulls. I shouldn't have to explain why this is wrong.

>There is no lack of data, there is insufficient data, and there's a critical difference.
And then you go on to not illustrate a difference. You can stop now. You are right. Your single datapoint shows that it did not top at this single event. This projects nothing on other possible events other than a possibility that it may also not top. This is equally possible of all other data in this event since it is also possible that the next regional is not an exact copy of the Orlando regional. This should be obvious.

>Which one is it? You're saying I'm not making sense, but then go on to contradict yourself in two adjacent sentences?
Those two sentences are not contradictory at all. If I show you a coin and say "If I flip this coin it will come up pikachu" we know I'd be wrong without flipping it. Common currency does not have pikachu on any side. However, if I flip a coin and say "this will come up heads" and it comes up tails, there is still a non-zero chance it will come up heads on further samples (flips).

>>29414989
>Not my job. You made the assertion that Scizor cannot because it has not. As I said. literally any of your possible meme decks CAN place given the right alignment of stars. What's your point? Did you have one?
I'm sorry you consider typing posts on an imageboard as "work". My "point" is that saying
>Scizor could have topped!!
is no different from saying
>M Altaria could have topped!!
or
>Tyranitar could have topped!!
based on what little evidence, regardless of sufficiency, we have.

>That's a lot of assumptions labeled as "facts."
It's an assumption that the Top 32 players didn't bring Scizor?
It's an assumption that, through a mix of not being brought and losing out early, the deck didn't top?

>You still only have one data point and you're extrapolating it to an entire season.
The point is that extrapolating based on one point holds infinitely more weight than extrapolating on no points, or on a point that says the opposite of what you're extrapolating.

>And then you go on to not illustrate a difference.
Except I did. I'll restate it for you so you can pretend not to read it again:
Scizor did not top. This isn't a conclusion made from a lack of data. This is a conclusion made from looking at the Top 32 decks, and not seeing Scizor there. The conclusion you and Scizorfags are drawing from this is that there isn't data suggesting Scizor is bad. The correct conclusion is that Scizor failed to top at 1/1 events. You can say it is insufficient data, but you CANNOT say that it is a lack of data. Future data will not invalidate or erase current data.

anyone have tips for someone trying to build the budget typhlosion deck?

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>>29415025
>I'm sorry you consider typing posts on an imageboard as "work".
See, this is what I was saying. You don't seem to understand what words mean. You have the burden of proof in this argument. You are trying to claim that "Scizor is not viable" using a single data point. You have the duty to do so or accept that it is unproven. I am not obligated to do otherwise until you have proven your burden. You haven't. Here we are.

>My "point" is that saying
Ok? That's not an argument. All of those statements are possibly true. There are actual arguments that can be made based on their available tools and matchups that make them more or less likely. But all are possible nonetheless. This is not an argument that makes Scizor less viable.

>It's an assumption that
No, see. You're changing what you're saying. That's good because you're almost to where you'd make a coherent argument but you're not there. You're still begging the question. Both of those statements are true. Through a combination of not being brought and losing in lower rounds, a scizor deck did not place. Again, single data point. Single coin toss. I'll just repeat this until you get it. Hopefully soon so I can stop.

>The point is that extrapolating based on one point holds infinitely more weight than

No. There's not much more to say here. What you've said is just logically false on its face. Its why you're stuck here because there's no foundation on which to base this statement. "infinitely more" wew

>You and Scizorfags
So, we're back to the strawman thing again. Neat. You've stopped debating the argument in front of you and you've gone back to shadowboxing.

>You can say it is insufficient data, but you CANNOT say that it is a lack of data.

You're playing semantics games trying to score Internet points. Also, pic related. You don't know what words mean.
I am glad we still agree that at one event, Scizor did not place. Your conclusion does not hash out.

>>29414989
And to continue off >>29415025 and tackle this shitty coin analogy.

>If I show you a coin and say "If I flip this coin it will come up pikachu" we know I'd be wrong without flipping it.
EXACTLY. Rhetorical: how do you know there is no Pikachu on the coin? Obviously, it's because you've seen thousands if not tens of thousands of coins in your lifetime and you know for a fact that such a coin would logically not exist.

Now, let's say I produced coins from a country you've never seen before; let's say, Zimbabwe. I give you one coin to examine. No Pikachu. Now, I give you a second coin, and only show you one side, a Heads.

Is it physically possible that someone minted a Zimbabwean coin with a Pikachu on the reverse? Absolutely, which is what you and Scizorfags are arguing (we don't have sufficient data!). But based on your experience with non-Zimbabwean coins in the past, and based on the one coin you examined, do you really fucking think this coin has a Pikachu on the back?

>>29415127
>I can turn any example into something rediculus and then attack it

Want a cookie? You're pretty good at missing the point for the sake of dragging this on. Unless you've got an argument that doesn't rely on "Look how silly I can make this sound!" then I'm just going to go to bed.

>>29415148
Yes, argument ad absurdum is a valid argument methodology.

>>29415127
>the first example makes sense because it has a large data set
>look at this argument that has no such large data set and how it undermines my original point
Really guy? I'm glad we've arrived at a point where we can agree that you have insufficient data to make a definite conclusion on the viability of any given deck. It took us thousands of words, but we're there.

>>29415167
You have to be above the age of 18 to post on this board.

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>>29415112
>You have the burden of proof in this argument.
Yes, and by providing the Top 32 for the first major Standard tournament of the format, I can objectively prove that Scizor has topped at 0/1 events so far, alongside M Altaria and several other decks.

You're trying to say that there's a POSSIBILITY of Scizor topping in the future. Based on what evidence? I currently have one piece of evidence showing that Scizor could not top at an event. That should really be it.

>Again, single data point. Single coin toss. I'll just repeat this until you get it. Hopefully soon so I can stop.
Just because there is only a single piece of evidence does not mean that evidence is invalid or wrong.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, which is the point I'm trying to get at: this singular piece of evidence isn't "wrong". It can't be "wrong" because that's now how this work. There is no instrument to inaccurately measure results. The recorded results were not different from the reality. There are no phenomenon when it comes to simply recording which deck won or lost.
And this piece of evidence shows Scizor not topping. No matter what happens in the future, Orlando cannot be disproven or changed or invalidated.

>No, see. You're changing what you're saying.
What? Go back and reread what happened. Pic related to save on characters.
I said that Scizor didn't top, that people didn't bring the deck, and that the players that topped brought not-Scizor to Orlando. How are ANY of those things assumptions? This is the issue I'm having with your posts; you're trying really, really hard to invoke some sort of fallacy and attacking me as opposed to what I'm writing, but you're not making sense. You're gripping semantics like you're "infinitely" wew quip instead of tackling the issue.

>>29415233
>Based on what evidence?

Based on the evidence that Regionals usually have different metas. One deck could do well in one whilst it'll do terribly in another, that's why I cited M Gardevoir-EX PRC doing well in Florida (which, after doing some research, was actually States back in 2015) despite the top decks being Seismitoad-EX, Yveltal-EX, or VirGen builds.

Another issue is that this season's Regionals can be either Expanded or Standard, which will make the data pool smaller or larger depending on the number of Standard-format Regionals being run.

>>29415233
>You're trying to say that there's a POSSIBILITY of Scizor topping in the future. Based on what evidence?
Based on the evidence that the deck is standard legal and can be entered in tournaments. Same as your other standard legal examples. This is pretty simple. Your evidence that it did not place is not evidence that it cannot place. This is basic English and logic and really shouldn't take half a thread to explain this, but I'll give it one more shot. I honestly doubt you're posting in good faith as opposed to trying to "win" something. meh

For the statement "Scizor cannot place at a regional" to be true, it would have to be literally impossible for the event to happen. It would have to have no possible cases where it could do so. The only way that happens is if the card is literally banned from the format.

>Just because there is only a single piece of evidence does not mean that evidence is invalid or wrong.
An argument that nobody has made. You're really awful about this strawman shit. Nobody has disputed that Scizor did not top at Orlando. You have to literally not be reading the posts you're replying to for you to come to that conclusion. This is why I'm 100% sure you're arguing in bad faith and it makes you a fairly shitty person.

Nobody has said the data is "wrong" or "invalid." They've repeatedly told you that making a definite statement on future events based on a single event at a single point in time taking into consideration no other variables apart from raw results data is stupid. You chose not to hear this and that's your own lookout.

>no one wanted to bring it is a "fact" because I'm psychic
No, this is not a fact. That is what I meant. You have to make assumptions for that to work at all. That's not goalposts. You're just being stubborn.

The question is, of course, is Scizor good?
As a Scizor player: no, it's tier 2 at most

Can I get into this game for free casually or will I need to invest a lot of time grinding? I don't wants my gf to leave me because I've become addicted to virtual Pokemon cards.

>>29415402
It doesn't take too long to cobble together something vaguely okay.

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>>29415402
Life is yours, try to enjoy it to max whatever it takes, and accept the results of your actions.
And if you think you will get problems in the future, just tell your gf "Yoh, I might get addicted to a children game online, if our relationship will start getting difficult for you JUST TELL ME and I will find a way to resolve our problem".

Trust me I watched enoght anime and not talked to real people enoght to know that it will work for sure

>>29414605
>>29414622

I hope you're right anon. I'm trading for Shaymins atm just because I'm not sure what will happen to the value of Steam Siege, so I'm investing in cards until Evolutions is figured out.

I have just over 10,000 tokens though and I'm planning to open loads of RS in a bit. Hopefully I will get some trade-locked Shaymins and I can sell off the tradable ones.

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>>29414640
>>29414665
>>29414685
>>29414708
>>29414764
>>29414812
>>29414885
>>29414927
>>29414989
>>29415025
>>29415112
>>29415127
>>29415233
>>29415289
>>29415326

Oh wow, not this again. We have no evidence that Scizor is a top deck. However, one tournament does not necessarily mean it's bad.

Wait for more tournaments before making a decision on what will be good and what won't.

>The point is that extrapolating based on one point holds infinitely more weight than extrapolating on no points

m8, no. If that one point is an outlier, you just made a massive mistake. Giving too much weight to one point of data is a great way to jump to incorrect conclusions.

Trying to claim Scizor is objectively good despite 0/32 is really dumb as well though.

>>29415866
>However, one tournament does not necessarily mean it's bad.
I seriously don't understand this obsession with Scizor. It didn't top. That should be enough, but people are still hyping and pushing it.

Why Scizor specifically? Why not any of the other dozens of half-viable rogues? What makes this 0/32 deck better than the rest in the eyes of these shills, for lack of a better word?

>>29415941
>I seriously don't understand this obsession with Scizor

As I pointed out last time this discussion happened, I don't care about Scizor. I don't play it and I don't like it. I just think the idea that one data point is being treated as solid, unquestionable proof is dumb logic.

>Why Scizor specifically?

Idk. I'm not actually arguing for Scizor, I'm just irritated by the misuse of statistics.

If a Eveelution changes your stage 1 Pokemon's type to the weakness of the defending Pokemon does the defending Pokemon take 2x damage? My Golurk smacked a Rayquaza while electric but I didn't get the double damage.

>>29416010
That's what it's for, yeah.
He probably had Altaria on his bench. Removes weakness.

>>29415941
People thought Scizor was going to be good.

SR Energies when?

>>29416040
>didn't top at all last format
>no new technology between last format and now
>not affected positively by the meta shift at all (at least not any more than every other deck)
>goes 0/32 in its first tournament

>We can't rule this deck out yet, guys! The coin might land tails!
I just don't fucking get it

>>29416016
Just did a test using the deck testing NPC and with Flareon in play my Golurk hit for neutral on the NPC's Ledian. Goddammit the game is bugged

>>29416072

Maybe Theta Stop is bugged and it's blocking all abilities?

>>29416101
Strangely enough that doesn't seem to be the case. I think it's specifically type changing abilities.

http://forums.pokemontcg.com/topic/47767-golurk-bug-with-eevolutions/

http://forums.pokemontcg.com/topic/47115-golurk-eeveelutions-not-working/

I guess I have to do a bug search for my main attacker every time I decide to construct a new deck. BETTER PUT IT IN THE PASTEBIN

Do you think the next rotation would do a full sweep and make everything SM on or only cut 3 sets and leave Breakshit? 3 sets feels too few for a rotation and 8 feels like too many. 4-5 sets feels like a good medium like the last few rotations but there doesn't seem to be any good cutoff point for that. Unless they make Generations the cutoff point.

Actually I could see them doing that.

can someone explain to me what is so special about M-Fug Ex?

His only attack looks like a slightly stronger version of circle ciruit, and yet that's what everyone is asking for when i go to trades.

Am i missing something about that card that makes it special? I mean, it looks dope as fuck, but that's about it

>>29416249
It's early game play is stronk, it can hit up to 240 on turn 1.

>>29416249
>His only attack looks like a slightly stronger version of circle ciruit, and yet that's what everyone is asking for when i go to trades.
Circle Circuit does 100 with a full bench, or 160 with Sky Field.
Emerald Break does 150 with a full bench, or 240 with Sky Field.

EX Pokemon have 170-180, and Mega Pokemon have 210-240 HP.
Do you understand now?

>>29416240
It'll either by Breakpoint on or Generations on.

>>29416249

It has Delta Evolution so you can get it out on turn 1. Also, Mega Turbo + DCE fulfills the energy cost in one turn. With a full bench of 8 it can OHKO pretty much anything.

It is reliant on its speed and needs Sky Field in order to be effective though. Parallel City leaves them needing to fill up their bench all over again.

>>29416273
>>29416280

Ooooh, i see now! Yeah, that does make him a dangerous threat early on.

I hope i can create a deck with him soon. I really want to try him out now

>>29416314
It's really expansive and not really better than other good decks. I wouldn't recommend it

>>29416314
>>29416322

It really does cost a lot. You need 4 Shaymin-EX really.

>>29416322
It does sound fun_ though.
Also dragonite ex and brock's grit should be pretty good in it.

Speaking of expensive decks, how many Shaymin would be minimum for me to enjoy playing Gardevoir EX with any amount of consistency?

>>29416334
Fuck. I don't even own a single Shaymin-EX

Brock's grit,Misty's determination, and Giovanni's sceme gives me a huge nostalgia boner. i need the full arts

>>29416391
PC? 2.
SS? 4 and three Hoopa.

>Triumphant finally in rotation
thank fucking god

>>29416890
>tfw only good expanded deck I have is keldeo
>I want to build a virizion deck as well though
>much less a good legacy deck

H-how good is virizion/gensect guys?
Should I bother?

It seems like it doesn't have amazing tech options against night march.

>>29417272
You could probably win off Karen alone.

Setting everything back but keeping their Compressors in the discard pile really hurts.

>>29417272
Relatively shit in Expanded, but it's the best Legacy deck if you can find some Celebi.

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>>29400765
when are they gonna be released?

>>29416010
its a known bug. devs are trash as ever. Has been affecting my VespiLutions deck too.

>>29408377
ran into this in a Rainbow Road Xerneas deck last year. I called a judge just to make sure and it took 3 of them to come to the conclusion that it doesn't hurt itself.

>>29408377
Read
>>29416131
Golurk isn't functioning right now

>>29408377
You don't actually need energy acceleration. Dimension Valley means you get set up in two turns, which is how long it takes to put Golurk into play. Pair it with Eons and you should be able to OHKO the format to keep up tempo.

>>29416131
Odds are the game wasn't programmed to consider cases where a pokemon gains more than one type beyond its starting type(s). Could test this with eeveelutions and rainbow road/natural dualtypes.

>>29419527
This makes sense when you consider that ninja boy had to be banned for the better part of a month because the devs couldn't figure out how to transfer damage/status/energies between different basic mons. They've likely got some very restrictive system rules.

>>29420031
As someone who's worked on YGOPro, I really don't blame them. It's impossible to make an engine that can accept every future card for the next 10+ years with 100% success, especially when the dev team is a third party company that takes no role in the physical product's development.

>>29420081
Yeah, I don't think they went into this with a real concept of philosophy for future designs in mind. Some things, like ninja boy, really weren't in the cards at any other point in time and scaling that out to a simple deckbox on a database isn't quite enough. I can't imagine the hell that MTGO devs have to put up with.

>>29415110
Get another Delphox Break, throw in a couple of Wallys, and some VS Seekers. I think 3 Lysandre is too much, get rid of one. Maybe get Bursting Balloon for your Fennekin just so that if you get a bad start you can still survive for a few turns.
More Max Elixir, less Evo Soda. 1 more candy.

>>29415110
For starters take out 4 fire energies and get 4x Talonflame since you only have 4 starting Pokemons which is very bad and also you don't have Shaymins yet I'm assuming? You can also use Talonflames for pretty much every team for more consistency until you get Shaymins.

And you'd definitely want few more Rare candies and 1 or 2 more Delphox Breaks.

>losing really badly versus virizion/genesect
>manage to get 3 prizes at once with my articuno versus their virizion
>my keldeo with 7 energy gets ko'd
>use my last superior energy retrieval as I had to discard two at the beginning to get archie out
>down to literally my last 3 energys on my keldeo and all my superior energy gone
>manage to barely knock out his genesect and be one prize away from winning with rough waters to take his parallel city out
>he concedes despite having things in his bench that would OHKO my keldeo and leave me with no way to win

TCGs truly are all about mindgames, make your opponent think you have a better position than you do.

>>29421949
>TCGs truly are all about mindgames, make your opponent think you have a better position than you do

The only time I take rounds in non-theme tournaments is if my opponent gets an insanely bad draw, they deck themselves or this fucker times them out when they've take 5 prizes compared to my 0.

>>29416061
It has a few good things going for it.

It's Metal, so it takes -20 damage from M Mewtwo EX, and quickly dispatches M Gardevoir EX and Xerneas decks. The only hiccup is Volcanion, which you can't really answer very well. And M Scizor EX's attack is very cheap, 2HKO's everything in the meta and takes away your opponent's resources in the process. Also, the deck has plenty of free space to run disruption cards like Crushing Hammer and multiple Parallel Cities.

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>>29422005
Forgot to attach this fucker

>>29422008
Just quit it. It's a meme deck at best

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>>29422073
I'm just answering the question, you dense mongoloid. There are objectively good things about M Scizor EX, so I listed them, because the original reply seemed utterly clueless about why it could be even remotely considered good.

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>>29422073
Scizor is Top tier my man.

So I'm going to the Evolutions prerelease tournament in my town tonight. Having seen the cards in the expansion, what kind of deck do you think would be best for winning one of these?

Part of me thinks that Ninetails BREAK and Starmie would work well together, but there's not many energy-acceleration options in this expansion. With that in mind, do you think it would be better to run Pidgeot EX? What else would you suggest, that I may be overlooking?

>>29422386
You don't get a choice during pre-release.

You open like 5 or so packs and then build a deck with whatever you got along with some other promo cards. They provide you energy and you run with a 40 card deck and 4 prizes.

>>29422386
None of that matters friend. The prebuilt set of cards you get is random (you choose from 4 of them, you don't know which is which), and the cards you pull from your packs are random, so literally, you just build what you can with what you get.

Since the introduction of the prebuilt set I've been building my prerelease decks the same way: take the evolution lines you get from the set and try to pad them out with the cards you get from your packs. Stick to one, maybe to two, energy types and anything with a completely Colorless attack or useful ability is automatically included. Don't go overboard on energy counts, I usually stick to 12-16. If you're lucky enough to pull a non-mega EX, you can try to build your deck around that, but that may be risky if it's not a particularly good EX.

>>29422386
my prerelease package included the Vulpix line, and I pulled a Ninetales break from one of the boosters. That worked out pretty good for me until the 3rd round when I faced a Poliwrath deck.
Nidoking line + Mewtwo and Mew could be good, Mew because most people will be building their decks around evolution pokemon.

>>29401339
I've had my game crash in those instances. I was mad but I got second place so the haul was still okay

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>>29404628
>>29404628
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>>29423029
>free retreat
>searchable off winona
I think that's actually usable.

>>29423071
>This card cannot be used at official tournaments.

>playing theme deck for shits n giggles
>have 4 pokemon in bench and thus do 80 dmg to their raichu
>he goes next turn and does 100 dmg with 1 pokemon in his bench to my raichu

Excuse me but what the flying fuck?

>>29423309
Did you read the card?

>>29423572
but it can be used for fun, so

>>29423029
This would actually be really good against Night March if it were released sooner. You could kill a Joltik, then end the song when your opponent sends out the next Joltik.

>>29423572
It says YOUR bench.
Not all pokemon on the field.

Directly from the card:
>This attack does 20 damage times the number of Pokémon on your Bench.

YOUR
Not mine, it's YOUR bench.

He had one rattata on his bench and he swung for 100.

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>>29423714
Did you read the card?

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>>29423641

Is that how it works? I just thought it did 30 when the song finished, not 30 immediately and then 30 more.

Either way, it reminds me of pic related.

>>29423766
He had two electric energies, he didn't discard.

Can YOU read anon?

>>29423989
Feel free to point out exactly where you mention the energy, but the short of it is you are lying to cover up a mistake on an anonymous image board. Just admit you failed to notice what happened and now you realize the silly mistake. Nobody cares. No need to get upset over it.

>>29424034

desu it's pretty embarrasing for him

personally I would have just stopped responding and convince myself that the conversation never happened

>>29423766
Woo! A red circle! Fascinating!

>>29424034
Next time I'll mention a turn by turn analysis that also includes where each energy was distributed during each turn, the color of the energy, and also each pokemon I had in my bench for your autistic pleasure.

>>29424066
I'm real upset/embarassed though, you got me.
I'm positively butt flustered.

inb4 yeah you are
No really, I don't care.

>>29423989

You didn't say what energy he had attached anon. Can't get too mad when you don't give people all the information.

>>29424066
I would have just admitted I never read the card because of my long history with Yugioh but this fool here is actually incredibly upset over his mistake, when it is really not a big deal.
>>29424070
>>29424097
Yes, I read the card for you and pointed out the attack your opponent used after you refused to go back and just read the card. I asked if you had read the card and instead of just saying no, reading it, and moving on, no harm done, you decided to get mad and lie further. Keep in mind, you were the one who came confused as to what happened, I just cleared it up for you and here you are mad at me over it. A simple, "Oh, I missed that, lmao, thanks" and this would all be over. You are welcome in advance.

>>29424097

if you aren't upset right now I'd be surprised at how naturally aggressive and accusatory you are senpai

>>29424097
>Next time I'll mention a turn by turn analysis that also includes where each energy was distributed during each turn, the color of the energy

You say this as though the energy on the field is completely irrelevant and it's insane to want to know such information.

Acro bike, ultra ball, sycamore, any other descent way in standard to get energy in the discard pile?

>>29400765
Did o hear right that volcanion is banned in Pokémon online

>>29424364
Banned for a minor bug, it'll be back in business soon.

>>29424364

Temporarily suspended because it wasn't working properly. Due back early in November apparently.

>>29424297
Nah

>>29424617
Too bad. I got this funny Smeargle meme deck I'm working on

>>29424659
Play Expanded, then you can use Battle Compressor

>>29424297
retreating.

>>29424771
It's probably a shit deck in standard, can't imagine it working in a format with even better cards. Should have built it before the rotation

>>29424297
scorched earth, but only on fire and fighting energy.

> This change to the VS ladder presentation

Fuck right off. Now someone has to grind to 690 points just to see the last prizes on the ladder, as they won't be revealed before that.

So just because you made a shit ladder and no one wants to play it, you do this to us. Wonderful devs we have.

>>29425618
What?

>>29425618

What? Is this something that is going to happen or that has already happened?

I can see all of the prizes just fine and I'm nowhere near 690.

Anyone have Magnezone Prime up for trade? I need a pair, offering SS or most other Standard packs. Also have cards.

>>29425678

Next update, scheduled for the 31st of October:
They're separating the ladder into 3 segments, and segments will be hidden until you complete the ones before them.

So we won't know the final reward (unless they give us that on the front page again) until we reach those milestones.

>>29425704
Source?

>>29425726
What possible website could contain such information
Truly a mystery
I'm not even him, but you're retarded

>>29425704

Not a big deal for me - I go for the 9x boosters anyway. After that, I could just decide whether or not to bother going for the full-art.

>>29425850
Fair point, but on the other hand, I can make 9 packs in just a few trades. I decide how much I'll play based on the entire ladder, and this is a set I don't care for, at all.

>>29426005

I trade, but I don't open tradable packs.

I play the ladder to get packs/chests that I can open.

>the prices on Evolutions right now

Sell your prerelease pulls while they're high.

>>29426542
Welcome to every single prerelease for the past two decades
Fuck, prerelease hype isn't even unique to Pokemon
Is this your first time playing a card game?

>>29426581
The prices right now are extremely inflated compared to prior sets. The worst full art is 20, the best is 70-100. Reverse Charizard is 20. The promos are 15-40 apiece. Only the breaks seem to be normally priced. The commonly pulled secret rares are 5 apiece and it's easy to get like 3 at prerelease.

>>29426632
Did you ignore the post you're replying to? Prerelease prices are always going to be inflated, especially cards that are sought after or hyped.

Incidentally, Shaymin EX was barely hyped at all at the ROS prerelease and I was able to buy one for $20. Getting the M Rayquaza EX full arts was a bigger pain in the ass.

>>29428602
Tell me the last time a prerelease promo was selling for 50-80 dollars. The set is selling for around 1.5x to double the usual hype prices.

>>29428635
First of all, looking at the Sold Listings on eBay indicates that most of them are selling for $50 or less. Secondly, it's fucking Charizard, a reprint of the Base Set Charizard to boot. The sheer nostalgia alone will make all copies of Charizard immediately more expensive than it should be. And last, prerelease promos are (supposed to be) randomly given out, making it even harder to get.

>>29428714
You really don't know anything you're talking about, but I'm not surprised given most people here only play online. Non-staff promos rarely exceed 10 dollars. The common secret rares are selling for around 5-10 apiece. The nostalgia is making this shit set sell at higher prerelease prices than average, unarguably, and all I wanted to do was inform people here of it, but as usual some retard comes in and tries to be contrarian without knowing anything. Someone here who went to prerelease might not know this information and may want to sell their shit while prices are spiking. Next week Charizard's price will likely drop due to more prereleases.

>>29428883
I didn't say anything that wasn't true.

>Charizard prerelease promo is currently selling for $50 or less
eBay prices will confirm this

>It will still be a very expensive prerelease promo because it's a.) Charizard
Charizard nostalgia hype always makes expensive Charizard cards more expensive than they need be

>and b.) prerelease promos are randomly given away making obtaining a specific promo slightly more difficult
Which is true.

>>29429018
Except you're too dumb to check the prices on other cards to see that they're spiking unreasonably high for a bad set. All promos are going for 15 at the lowest, averaging 20, when going for over 10 usually is rare. This won't be true come Saturday, so if anyone here has shit they want to flip they should know now is the time.

Since you're so smart, how much did Steam Siege's promos go for back in July? Oh right, not much, and that one had Yanmega and Volcanion.

>>29429113
Well, like you seem to be pointing out, we are still an entire weekend of prereleases away from the set release, that's one reason why they're so high right now. And do you not understand the influence of nostalgia on the TCG? There is literally nothing more nostalgic than Base Set reprints. These cards - both the promos and regular prints - are destined to be valuable from the jump. TCPi knows this, so that's why they're doing it.

Prerelease promos are generally not desirable, with notable exceptions like PHF Bronzong and STS Volcanion. I was able to flip my Volcanion for $15 on prerelease day, which wasn't that ridiculous because it's still $10. But for the most part, no prerelease promo, or in the cases of FTC and STS, set of promos, has ever been as desirable as Evolution's promos.

>>29421105
Why more max elixer? I only have four basics? Is that worth it? I don't have any bursting balloons yet but I will keep it in mind for when I do, same with brakes. It took me so long to just get the one its insane. How do you guys do this shit? Also whats the difference between wally and Evo soda? I thought Evo soda just ment I could do more then one in a turn beacuse no support limit.

>>29421906
Talonflame seems like a good idea. When I get morre candy and Delphox I will do that as well. Why Shaymin though? I don't see why that would be a good card?

>>29429360
Max Elixir to get those energies for Delphox son.

>>29429406
They have to be basic though right?

Guys, I've done it.

I've made a mawile-ex deckl where I think it's ACTUALLY at least tier 2/3 material.
Like it won't beat anything really GOOD but at least it's better than the other absolute shit tier 2 or 3 decks.

All these games of scizor/darkraitina have been for this. To make this rogue deck, I'm gonna make it irl too.

>>29429360
Wally can evolve a basic first turn or something that's evolved this turn.

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