What other fan bases have you noticed have that genwunner mentality?

>>29394200
>that genwunner mentality

explain.

>>29394200
Transformers, not sure about Power Rangers though.

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>>29394221
being this new

>>29394200
most fanbases about something have a group of fans that think things were better at the beginning and are shit at the current moment.

The difference is that pokemon's fan base is autistic enough to label them.

>>29394221
people who only like this one iteration of a franchise

like how some sonic fans only like the genesis games and nothing else
or how normies only like gen 1 pokemon, that kinda shtick

>>29394237
with these rules you could probably say metroid, some people hate everything post super

>>29394237
>Normies

Moot should have made sure /r9k/ stayed dead.

>>29394200
Sonic is the obvious one. Spyro kinda does too, but being fair, they have Skylanders now, so that's not entirely against them.

The only other example I can think of is a subversion, because it's the second installment of the series, but Melee obviously has a shit ton of purists.

>>29394200
Transformers
Star Wars
Digimon

That's pretty much it. Everyone else who does this gets called a fucking idiot by their fandoms.

>>29394200
You'll see it occasionally in Digimon, Tales also has it, except replace the first entry with Symphonia and Abyss
>>29394229
Power Rangers moreso has the issue of arguing between Power Rangers and Super Sentai, most people who prefer Mighty Morphin don't interact with the series anymore at all.

Transformers. Except they're called geewunners instead of genwunners.

Fire Emblem
Zelda

>>29394200
Yugioh, straight up...How do I know?

Cause fuck that Synchro bullshit, I'm part of em.

Real talk, I've slowly been learning the new format from a friend. It's actually quite intriguing and I'm slowly turning over to the dark side.

>>29394294
Are you actually retarded?
I've never heard a single person unironically say they enjoy Fire Emblem 1 or the original Zelda the most

>>29394285
Yeah Power Rangers is the opposite. There's nothing but disdain for Mighty Morphin because all of the games and crossovers focus on it because normies know it.

>>29394276
guys like melee elitists count too, it only really accounts for that one thing or multiple things theses guys like and the rest are shit in their opinion

>>29394310
Oh, I thought we were talking about general nostalgiafaggotry where people dismiss anything new simply because it's new

In that case there really aren't that many series out there like Pokemon or Sonic

Maybe Mega Man?

>>29394310
The original 3d zelda is OoT :^)

>>29394200
Muscle car scene and Jap car scene.

>>29394327
>Maybe Mega Man?
Not particularly. The only Megaman game that's been shat on because it's not what it was before is the Starforce series because it was not Battle Network and even then Starforce 3 is very loved.

>>29394327
Nobody prefers MM1
Lots of MM2 fags though

>>29394277
New Digimon games are bretty gud though.

>>29394310
Not them, but Fire Emblem does fit an altered version.
While people don't nostalgiafag about FE1, they sure as hell do about FE7, which is basically FE1 as far as the west is concerned.

Fire Emblem is very similar in a lot of ways.
>complaining about the games getting easier
>complaining about too many waifus

>>29394200
How about people who only enjoy the original version of a television series, and absolutely REFUSE to acknowledge the existence of a rebooted version.

That said, there are very few good reboots that come to mind personally.

>>29394357
Some people also nostalgiafag about the FE4/FE5 era.

>>29394200
Fallout for obvious reasons

>>29394387
Was just going to mention this

>>29394294
In fairness on fe4/6/7/8/9 were good the new games have thunderingly stupid plots and are basically just dating sims

>>29394200
Monster hunter

I guess I'm a genwunner Spyro fan then? I hate everything after the PS1 games, especially Skylanders.

>>29394250
or everything except other m

>>29394422
I've never seen this. In every MH community I've been to the latest games are always widely considered the best.

>>29394418
the only Fire Emblem games with a plot even worth talking about are the Tellius games.

Awakening is amusing to see just how broken you can make the children, and Fates is actually fun to play even outside that.

>>29394361
Scooby Doo. People will say the older series are better (except for any series that included Scrappy Doo) than newer series, like Mystery Inc (which I peronally hated) and Be Cool. The latter two actually changed up the old Scooby Doo formula and had more creative scenarios than the first gen.
Be Cool even gave all the characters better personalities, which was a desperately-needed change. But people complain bitterly about the art style and refuse to see any good in it.

>>29394418
The new ones don't have anything close to dating sim gameplay, don't be a retard

>>29394523
>literally the marriage system from FE4 but this time you have a self insert to interact with the characters

>>29394540
>Four static conversations that you sit there and read is dating sim gameplay

Yeah not even remotely close.

>>29394553
This reminds me of the hyperbole genwunner types would use against pokemon trying to exaggerate the contests

WHAT HAS POKEMON BECOME IT'S JUST DRESSING UP YOUR POKEYMANS NOW

>>29394200
Smash

>>29394200
Sun-Worshippers (Dark Souls fans)

>>29394200
Castlevania?

>>29394200
Transformers, easily.

Gundamfags and Macrossfags.

>>29394237
Sonic fans have more reason to be genwunners than Pokémon fans, though. The Classic Sonic games play way differently from modern Sonic, even the modern 2D games. Pokémon's formula is the same for every mainline game except Sun and Moon throwing out staples like Gyms for the new trial system.

If Game Freak tried making a "Pokémon Mania" like Sonic, it'd just be the same game as what we usually get, while Classic Sonic is different enough that recapturing it makes a noticeably different game that what has been coming out in the Sonic franchise lately.

You get shit on a lot if you prefer Persona 3-5 over the first 3 games. Maybe even over the SMT games.

>>29394200

>>Disgaea fans will accept nothing but Laharl-sama
>>Most Final Fantasy fans think the series started with FF7
>>There are still old school Zelda fans that think Ocarina ruined the series by going 3-D
>>There are Yugioh fans that think anything up to and past Synchros ruined the game and ignore the piss poor card design and lack of archtypes before that point

>>29394821
true, i can see that also
>Pokémon Mania

what rom hackers would they hire to make it?

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>>29394327
MM1 is really unpolished compared to 2 and beyond regarding its engine, though I think the level design is still good. If you're talking about Megaman Classic as a whole compared to the spinoffs, that's not really being Genwun because the spinoffs are all just so different, some even change genres like BN being an RPG. It'd be like calling a Classicvania fan a genwunner for not liking what IGA did to the series with SOTN, they're basically different series when it comes to gameplay.

>>29394852
Obviously Koolboyman.

>>29394651
Castlevaina got it the worst.
There are people who refuse to believe anything past Super is good. I prefer the DS trilogy but the GBA titles were pretty nice too (Despite circle of the moon being...weird.) And SoTN has classic sounds and hard challenges. Then the series died off after konami shot themselves in the foot.

I can't wait for bloodstained.

>>29394881
>There are people who refuse to believe anything past Super is good.

Rondo of Blood came after Super and it's one of the most popular Classicvania games, I think more people like it than they do Super.

>>29394200
Cod. Way too many people are on the mw and first two black ops (including myself) adding all this mech bull shit is way too much. Needs to go back to being a war simulator.

>>29394881

Some folks simply loved falling into instant death pits because the controller didnt register that you pushed down on those stairs also Medusaheads lol

>>29394200
digicucks are just as bad as genwunners. You'll always have that dumbshit who will say "These new pokemon look like digimon" literally every single gen while they don't even follow either series.

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>>29394909
God yes. I love RoB. That soundtrack makes me cream.

>>29394938
>because the controller didnt register that you pushed down on those stairs

That's never happened to me. I've never heard of dropped inputs being a problem in Classicvania.

>>29394978
It's most a Super and 3 problem.
Stairs are instant death if you came from a new area because you can't go back.

>>29394978
>>29395011

and god help you if you play on a HD TV and input lag murders you more than Medusa heads

>>29394200
Who cares? The fanbase of a game or any sub group of said game doesn't matter to me. And they shouldn't to you.

>>29394441
>>29394422
I've seen tons of people who always say freedom unite is the best one and nothing will ever compare to the experience or difficulty of it. I honestly think those guys just can't afford the newer games.

>>29394200

Dungeons and Dragons. So many "purists" who only use one edition, usually ADnD or 3.5, and refuse to learn any of the other editions. This came to a very nasty head when 4e was released. Thankfully 5e isn't as divisive, but you still hear rumblings about it.

>>29395055
those books are fucking huge though. screw learning.

>ctrl+f "dark souls"
>Only 1 result
Motherfucking Dark Souls. There's a whole half of the community that thinks the "original" Dark Souls is and will always be the best in the series in absolutely every aspect. 90% of them haven't heard of Demons Souls.

>>29395091
To be fair, Dark Souls 2 took a few steps back from Dark Souls. Still fun but had a bit missing. Can't really talk about Dark Souls 3 since I haven't played it.

Then again, I've spoken to far more people who think Demon Souls is the only good Souls game. Weeeeird community.

Sailor Moon? idk alot of people seem like they got into it from the never anime, but I hate the art style of it lol and the 3D transformations look like Betty Spaghetti dolls

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WoW is a huge one.

>>29394589
Then contests actually became that in Gen 5.

>>29394200
I'm a gentwoer because that's the gen I started with and I'm like that with pretty much every series I've played. Melee was god tier and brawl/smash 4 are shit. Demon's souls was the best and the souls games have gotten progressively worse since then with the only exception being bloodborne. Old SMT games were better and the personababbies ruined it.

>>29394305
>drop yu gi oh in 2009
>occasionally play some DS games because old banlists were fun
>pass by the yugi wikia
>see pendulum cards
what the fuck is going on

>>29394849
>>Most Final Fantasy fans think the series started with FF7
and those who don't often refuse to consider anything past VI.

>>29394360
>>complaining about too many waifus
people... do this?

>>29394327
Tbh, the Mega Man, Mega Man X, Mega Man Zero and Mega Man ZX series were all top notch and Battle Network shouldn't be underestimated either. So there aren't really any times when Mega Man was truly weak, there are weak games sure but no weak time periods. Really Legends may have been the only weak point and even then that was around the same time as Mega Man X and Mega Man Zero.

>>29394200
Yu-Gi-Oh

Most things do, it might not be the very first but usually is something big changes in the series. Like Zelda has Ocarina of time that was the first 3D which set the stage for the newer games so it's the "best" or how World of Warcraft is amazing to some since it revolutionized MMOs and Warcraft in general but when you add an expansion to it somehow it sucks.

There's always a point in everything that has "genwunners" or a similar group.

>>29395091
But Dark Souls 2 is fucking trash and Dark Souls 3 is short and linear
Demon's and Dark 1,along with Bloodborne, are better.

Daggerfall/Morrowind vs. Everything after.

>>29394311
That's bullshit. Bandai makes most of its collector money off MMPR and there is a good portion of the fandom dedicated to it.

Every fandom has this type of fan. All of them are the same.

Halo 2 autists.

>>29394310
2d vs 3d is almost as bad as timeline arguments to us Zeldafags.

>>29394200
Nobody mentioned Kingdom Hearts? Man, those "one the first game" and "only 1 and 2" fucks are going to cry real hard when 3 finally comes out.

>>29395596
Why bother? The answer to OPs question is every fandom. Even sportfags have genwars.

The Souls franchise suffers from this massively.
Miyazakifags fit the genwunner image to a T, they are actually impossible to please, unwilling to listen to arguments and just want to complain for the sake of complaining.

implying gen1 isn't objectively superioir

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>>29394423
Don't lie, if you were a kid you'd love Skylanders

>>29395656
Dark Souls 2 is a host of poor mechanics changes and 3 lacked content and heart.

>>29395722
If I was a kid I'd hate Skylanders because my parents wouldn't be able to buy all the shitty toy tie-ins.

>>29394200
Yo-kai watch maybe, nobody care about YW 2/3

>>29394200
Heroes of might and magic.

>>29394200
Ironic how you name Sonic since only 1-3 in both Sonic and Pokemon games are good. The rest just rehash and play on nostalgia.

>>29395596
> people still complain about muh multiple handhelds
> every game is on ps3 collections
These people deserve to be btfo'd by 3s story

>>29395608
>Even sportfags have genwars.

The 1903 World Series was the fucking best, everything after just can't compare.

>>29394237
Final Fantasy hands down.
Some people act like only Final Fantasy 7 existed.

>>29394200
By obvious and correct reasons: The Simpsons.

>>29396168
And Sponge Bob, everything after the first movie is shit

>>29394310
The fire emblem side is probably about any person who got into the series before Awakening

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Anime by and large tbqh senpai. Some believe it began in 1996 with Sailor moon, and ended in 2007 with Gurren Lagann.

>>29396194
That's like saying anyone who dislikes Pokémon XY is a genwunner.

>>29394327
Probably not. Mega Man X is way better than the Classic series and the Zero series is what many fans would consider the pinnacle.

Mega Man was a consistently good and getting better franchise until X6 and beyond.

>>29396234
>Mega Man X is way better

If you just mean the first few games, that's a respectable opinion to have, but Megaman Classic stayed consistent in quality for the most part while X gets gradually worse until it becomes total garbage with X7 and X8. Even if X1-X3 are great, I'd give Megaman Classic a higher overall rating for not having any real bad mainline games except Megaman &Bass, holy shit fuck that game, maybe it was because I played as Megaman but the level design is bullshit and some of the bosses like the jet midboss in King's stage give me PTSD.

>>29394200
Anime by and large. Some believe it began with Miyazaki and ended with Gurren Lagann.

Rock and Roll. After the 70's there was nobody.

Punk. There's no talking to them.

The Fedora. It disappeared from the world of fashion for a reason.

French cinema/impressionist films. Its not called a movie, its called a film!

>>29396215
>>29396296
Didn't think my initial post went through, I got a captcha error and had to make a new post.

>>29396296
>Rock and Roll. After the 70's there was nobody.
Mostly because of a genre shift. Not a lot of classic being produced, is there? It's mostly just alternative or a billion kinds of metal.

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Bionicle, but for a good reason.
The reboot flatlined already.

>>29396337
It's a good thing.

>>29394200
Dark Souls
Paper Mario
Those are the first that come to mind regarding game fans.

If you go into other mediums like movies and such than the "the first one was the only good one" mentality is practically the norm.

Xenoblade.
Seems some people just cant like X or get mad at people who do.
Not personal experiance but always see it mentioned that way.

Fire emblem too.

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>should have ended with Frieza

this shit, every time

>>29394513
>Be Cool even gave all the characters better personalities
Mystery Inc. already did it before, like Fred and all the trap stuff he's obsessed.

>>29396353
X is completely different from the character and story driven original, it's not hard to see why. Also the fact that your character is an irrelevant, soulless nobody designed to stand in the background and observe the actual MC is a huge turnoff for many.

>>29394513
Pretty much everyone I've encountered acknowledged the old stuff as typical hannah barabarah schlock and only genuinely enjoy certain moves and Myster Inc.

ML fucking P

sometimes you find some of the brony community sitting in a clusterfucking of comments going "Season 2 was the best season"

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>>29396457
>implying anything is worth watching after the wings incident

If the human spinoff wasn't a sign that things jumped the shark, I don't know what to tell you.

>>29396349
Paper Mario 64 and TTYD are both considered to be great, some people prefer one to the other but I've never seen a fan of one call the other shit. And it's not that strange that people wouldn't like the ones after that. Even though I like SPM, it's really different from the first two, and Sticker Star is pure trash. And Color Splash is Sticker Star 2: At Least The Graphics Are Fantastic Edition.

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>>29394200
Literally all of them.

>>29394200
Spyro original trilogy fans
Crash original trilogy fans
Ace Attorney original trilogy fans

And they're all 100% correct.

>>29394849
As a Disgaea fan, most opinions I see are that every game is better than the ones before them (on a technical level anyway), and while Disgaea 1's plot and characters are the most well-received, each of the games have fans spread our. Even D3's cast has its fans, despite most of the community agreeing that it was the worst of the series.

>>29394311
So exactly like Pokemon?

>why only gen 1 why is there no alolan lucariooooo

>>29396457
>>29396483
>legit MLPfags
No wonder /vp/ likes gen 6.

>>29396520
Paper Mario fans have real legitimate complaints desu
> no partners
> no unique villains its just Bowser again
> nothing but Toads everywhere
> actual fucking battles are pointless bc no exp and bosses are all nearly one shotted by Things
> the DEVELOPERS said fans who want legit rpgs can fuck off

>>29396581
If you couldn't infer it from my post, I quit three years ago.

I feel shame that I was ever into it in the first place, but I have moved on and focused my autism on slightly less shameful things like Pokémon. And Gen 6 is the worst, my favorite generation is not telling you because you'll use it to strawman "fans of [Gen X] are all bronies!"

>>29396592
The developers have turned into Miyamoto yesmen just to keep their jobs.

>>29396602
> miyamoto rapes pms corpse after sticker star
> he then makes Star Fox 64: WiiU edition
When will they force him to retire?

>>29396619
Nintendo doesn't have much going for them right now, they're not getting rid of anyone with his type of reputation at this point.

>defending all these disappointing games
Classic /vp/.

Doom's fanbase. There are people who insist Doom 2 is still the best singleplayer FPS of all time, especially compared to 3 and 4.

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>>29396593
Gen V?

>>29396593
>being a brony
>ever
Typical pokemon fan

>>29394423
It just means you're right. One of the PS2 games is decent but nothing compares to the first three.

>>29394250
Ego raptor is genwunner for zelda. Did a sequelitis on it.
What's his face from GameMaker's Toolkit kind of is, anything pre-windwarker is his, I think.

>>29394200

Smash Bros. and CoD mostly.

People prefer jank-ass games with lots of exploitable flaws over clean, smooth experiences for some reason. It's not the developers' faults that they improved their game design capabilities over the span of many years.

>>29396783
The physics in Smash 4 are a lot worse than Melee. I'm a casual, I'm not technical enough to wavedash or L-cancel my moves, and Melee is more fun for casual play because of its physics compared to Brawl or Smash 4. Project M is also great for casual play, but I think part of it is the alt costumes and classic stages like Saffron City, not just the physics. And Wario, Project M Wario should be the canon Wario.

>>29396811

Too bad 99% of Melee elitists play it for the exploits.

>>29396592
But wait, Color Splash now has generic Mario enemies as NPCs, along with the Koopalings! Super creative!

>>29394200
In what way.
>ONLY THE ORIGINAL WAS GOOD
or
>ONLY THIS SPECIFIC ENTRY WAS GOOD

If it's the first it's kinda rare, if it's the second it's literally always the best selling title.

>>29394423
No that's just being correct, you can even pinpoint what caused it. Insomniac stopped making the games and the publisher that bought it afterwards underpaid/staffed and cut production time of the third parties producing the games because 'lol it'll sell anyway'.

>>29395722
Skylanders isn't spyro anymore really. Wish it'd stop eating IP's.

>>29396826
If Brawl had Melee's physics without wavedashing or any other exploit, Melee would have died out in 2008. It almost did anyway, people only went back to Melee after realizing how fucking broken the meta in Brawl is with Meta Knight existing.

Do the Japanese have Genwunners in their Pokemon community or is that just an American thing? I want to say it's the latter since Americans have a hard time letting anything go (read: SSBM) but you never know.

>137 posts
>no mention of Star Wars
I mean, the prequels are terrible and all but the irrational purism is obviously there

>>29396850
>it's literally always the best selling title

But Fire Emblem fans hated Awakening despite it being the best-selling title (until Fates came along, people seem to be more positive about that one).

Final Fantasy 7 fans definetely are toxic as fuck. Say anything about that game's flaws and it's over.

Sonic seems to be divided between classic Genesis and the modern 3D ones.

DBZ fans as a whole think it's still the best action series in the history of anything.

Sailor Moon fans don't to want to even acknlowedge any other magical girls shows and consider then all knock offs. I'm not sure if it was a genre starter.

Digimon, D&D, WoW, Call of Duty.

Did we mention Mario yet?

>>29396592
>> actual fucking battles are pointless bc no exp
imagine your game is so shit you need to give players blinking numbers to keep them interested and people who played it as children are unironically defending it

>>29396940
>I'm not sure if it was a genre starter.

Google says the genre started in 1953.

>>29396962
>blinking numbers

Experience gives you progression and a benefit from fighting. Imagine if Pokémon didn't have experience, and every Pokémon had the same stats and moves they would have at Level 5 no matter what. Also imagine that just fighting the few mandatory trainers in the storyline like Gym Leaders gave you more money than you would ever need in your playthrough. Wouldn't you run from any wild battle you didn't intend to use Pokéballs in and avoid trainers like the plague? Does that seem like good game design?

>>29396779

No-one even mentioned ShillTube

Form your own opinions my man

>>29396962
Risa Tabata can stop pissing on good games just because hers is garbage anytime

>>29397013
Who?

>>29394200
The genwunner term originated from transformers.
That said, genwunners/nostalgiafags aren´t part of the fanbase, at least in pokémon´s case so the question is already flawed.

>>29394229
Power Rangers is similar to pokémon, normalfags prefer the first season(as hypocritical as it is given it´s not the original product and its story doesnt end) but they aren´t actual fans.

>>29394285
>the issue of arguing between Power Rangers and Super Sentai
That´s mostly butthurt filipinos who want to act redpilled hating on Power Rangers, not so much of an argument.

>>29394311
>There's nothing but disdain for Mighty Morphin
That´s kinda pushing it.

>>29394327
>Maybe Mega Man?
MegaMan fans have been wanting actual new games for years now, even if there is some nostalgic appreciation for the older ones, they dont got full nostalgiafag.

>>29396811
Brawl Wario is the best Wario, represents more of the character than PM and is the most fun to play.

Sm4sh fucked him up

>>29396663
>There are people who insist Doom 2 is still the best singleplayer FPS of all time
And they´re right.

>>29397274
>represents more of the character

Yeah, but Japan's character for Wario sucks. Western Wario is the best, which PM Wario is based on.

>>29397275
The first DOOM is better though, regarding level design. DOOM 2 obviously has better mods since everyone chooses to mod it over DOOM 1, though.

>>29396850
>If it's the first it's kinda rare
You really need to interact with any sort of internet community more often.

>>29396853
Well, they do market Gen 1 mons more and they once made a line of clothing for adult fans with Gen 1 and 2 mons. Though you could say the first thing was to pander to westerns and the second thing just a one time thing.
Anyone knows more about this?

>>29396940
>DBZ fans as a whole think it's still the best action series in the history of anything.
That´s not what OP was asking about. If anything, you should mention people liking old DB over DBS, but DB fans liking DB is not what OP was refering to.

>>29395722
Skylanders are good games, they just aren't good Spyro games, if that makes sense.

>>29394310
Fe fans tend to come in 3 major varieties: FE4 fuckers, Ike fuckers and waifu fuckers.

>>29397296
Brawl Wario represented World, Land and Ware. PM Wario is MUH LAND. He still has the japanese personality in PM.

That being said, PM Wario is still fun

>>29394441
nah all the """"""hardcore"""""" mh fans i know hate generations. say styles killed the series.

>>29394200
Gamecube fanboys.

>>29397411
> last nintendo console with an actual library
Gamecube fans are justified

>>29396562
Most of the pokemon love was rekindled with Platinum and HGSS. It'll be a cold day in hell before I acknowledge gen 3 outside Coliseum and GoD:XD. Those games were fun.

>>29395555
I'm ashamed to admit I'm a Morrowindfag, and these do exist.

>>29397423
Yeah, with a rushed and overrated library. The only good game on it is FZero GX.
GC fanboys are the worst kind of nostalgiafags.

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>>29397478
>rushed and overrated

>>29397440
>I'm ashamed
You shouldn't be, it was the only one to really capture the potential weirdness and flavor of the world. Oblivion and Skyrim are really generic fantasy games except in the most hidden resources of the in-game lore books.

>>29397424
> It'll be a cold day in hell before I acknowledge gen 3
>>/9gag/

>>29397555
>Hoennfag thinks his opinion matters

>>29394356
It's more about the anime.
The Digimon Story games are godly.

>>29396934
>admit prequels are terrible
>hating them is irrational

>>29394423
Enter the Dragonfly was so unfinished and broken it's hard not to believe this.

>>29397568
>9fag even posting here
Go back to your epic echochamber

>>29397584
Not him, but you can hate something for the wrong reasons which is a bad thing, yeah.
Imagine for the sake of argument that Gen 7 are bad games(not saying they´re good, but lets assume they are not), hating them because they arent muh Gen 1 would still be retarded.

>>29397584
Probably one of those anons, like me, who admit the writing is horrible but appreciate the potential for more lore the prequels introduced.

>>29394200
The Amazing World of Gumball. To be more specific, it is mostly between Season 1 and the rest of the series.
Most of them are incestuous /ss/ fags, so nothing of importance was lost.

ITT: /vp/ forgives shit sequels to various franchises because of their complex over pokemon genwunners

Is there a more pathetic board?

>>29397649
>Is there a more pathetic board?

/r9k/ still have not been beaten.

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>>29396296
>Rock and Roll. After the 70's there was nobody.
Wew, it happens a lot with rock fans.
"The wrong generation" boys are basically the /mu/ version of Genwunners, adoring The Beatles as it was the best shit out there and citing John Lennon every fucking time they can.

>>29397649
How many mental backflips did you do to reach that conclusion?

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>>29397649
>ITT He didn't read the thread.

Halo franchise and WoW.

>>29397649
But /vp/ is a ridiculous drone and apologist to the shit Gamefreak pulls every single generation.

>>29396358
Fuck that, the Cell saga is GOAT

>>29394200
In spirit? All of them. Semantics, only a few, and all of them are either eclipsed or are fairly equal to the fanbase of a later iteration. (although that iteration is never a more current one)

>>29397681
And /mu/ is basically /vp/.

/mu/ refuses to admit any merit in classic mainstream rock, just like /vp/ tries to claim there being nothing good in gen 1.

>>29397748
My nigga

it logically was actually supposed to end there but I'm glad we got Buu

>>29397712
Actually, it's the opposite.
I think you'll have a very different opinion if you read Jewtube comments, at least for the trailers. Reading such comments are more or less a guilty pleasure of mine.
>OMG we gonna get Ash-Greninja :DDDD

>>29397588
I've seen people claim the reboots with the slut waifu dragon are the pinnacle and true classic spyro.

>>29397797
>In spirit? All of them.
The fuck?

>all of them are either eclipsed or are fairly equal to the fanbase of a later iteration
such as? Because in pokemon it´s not really the case unless you believe on /vp/´s boogiemen

> later iteration
>that iteration is never a more current one
You know how past and future works anon?

>>29397886
>it logically was actually supposed to end there
No, it fucking wasn't. Dragon Ball was always driven by what editors considered could be sucessful, the only """planned""" point to end it was the end of the first Pilaf arc.

>>29397902
>implying /vp/ isn't full of XYZ anime shills

>>29394229
Daggit, forgot that one. Yeah, that one is for certain dominant in that fanbase. I've never known the Power Rangers fanbase well enough to tell. As far as I know, the only part of it that is similar to genwunners is the matter that the original is only one most people know. They don't pretend to still like it to my knowledge. You either fell out and never came back immediately after the first season, or you fell out at a later point. The true genwunner for PR is In Space. It is unquestionably considered the pinnacle of the entire series and nothing has ever matched or surpassed it. There are later series that are good, but they never beat it.

>>29397955
> the only part of it that is similar to genwunners is the matter that the original is only one most people know
Go read power rangers facebook comment section. Aside from the mandatory autist sperging about how redpilled he is about super sentai you always find the normalfag saying MMPR is the best/the only that counts/etc.

>They don't pretend to still like it to my knowledge
Yeah, they do.

>It is unquestionably considered the pinnacle of the entire series and nothing has ever matched or surpassed it.
Time Force and RPM are often also claimed as the best. And even then, people who love In Space and have it as their favorite acnlowledge and like later seasons.

Also, stop taking nostalgiafags as part of the fanbase.

>>29394277
Tbqh the new disney star wars kill all of the expanded universe, and that is a shame, also they reboot kotor. At least new marvel comics are okish.

Digimon genwunners are reason Toei put minimal effort on Tri.

>>29394465
>B-but anon muh weapon triangle

Most 90s franchises honestly.

>>29397681
The thing about rock is that it's justified if you like the sound of older bands but not the newer shit. Not a lot of modern bands making 60's or 70's style music anymore, so what can you do?

>Yu-Gi-Oh (EVERY ANIME SERIES AFTER THE FIRST IS BAD AND SYNCHRO/XYZ/PENDULUM RUINED THE META)
>Digimon (ONLY ADVENTURE AND TAMERS ARE GOOD)
>Spyro (SKYLANDERS RAPED SPYRO)
>PS1 owners in general (THE ONLY GOOD GAMES EVER MADE ARE THE FIRST 3 SPYRO, FIRST 3 CRASH BANDICOOT PLUS BAD AND NITRO KART, TOMBA, MEDIEVIL AND THE DISNEY HERCULES GAME)
>Final Fantasy (THE ONLY GOOD ONE IS VI/VII/VIII/IX/X)

Also I know a guy that keeps complaining how almost every game made in the last 10 years is stupid and too much easy. According to him every modern game that is not a JRPG is just as easy as Angry Birds (yes, even Dark Souls)

>>29397886
I agree. Though there is some dumb fuckery in the Buu saga (mostly gohan related) Majin Buu was the most interested villian. It was nice to have more than just a difference in power with form changes

>>29398098
>THE ONLY GOOD GAMES EVER MADE ARE THE FIRST 3 SPYRO, FIRST 3 CRASH BANDICOOT PLUS BAD AND NITRO KART
This is true though, because after that the games were handed off to other devs who didn't care.

>>29397241
>That´s kinda pushing it.
in the autist PR community yeah pretty much MMPR is hated
even those who don't hate it think it is pushed way too much and wish there was other seasons getting love
source: been with those autists for years

>>29395159
IMHO dark souls FOR PC was good, also demons. Dark souls for consoles was shit and ds2 too. Ds 3 is good
>>29394849
Maybe cuz FFVII was the first most popular outside of japan, but tactics advance is still the best FF

I'm surprised I'm not seeing TMNT in here, unless I missed it. The original incarnation of that is DEFINITELY the most favored one. The 2000s iteration enjoyed some fame for a while, but it was forgotten as soon as it came. There was a more modern incarnation, but I've heard absolutely diddly about it. (ditto for the movies)

Does nips have their own version of Sentai gennwunners?

>>29397748
Yeah, having the main cast go up against their own powers and skills, but presented as an all together new non-clone character was a great idea (for it's time).

>>29398165
Going by /prg/ it´s not the case.
facebookfags are facebookfags.
Who do you mean, rangerboard and rangercrew?

>>29398189
I don´t really know, but Akibaranger barely referenced Goranger or any of the three first shows for that matter.

The Elder Scrolls, though it seems to be in reverse to Pokemon.

Pokemon: Normies like early stuff, proper fans like mainly later stuff.

TES: Normies like Skyrim, proper fans like Morrowind. Arena and Daggerfall don't count. Battlespire/Redguard/etc. are right out.

>>29398097
I'm not very fond of classic 60s rock, but I know some bands currently that sound like 70s Black Sabbath, like Bigelf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgYZgfhvMuI

Progressive rock followers are basically a cult similar to EarthBound fans in vidya. I don't know many bands following a purist 70s sound besides of Aisles which sounds much more like 80s Rush and Yes instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWlKPSWLDLs

>>29396183
Fairly Oddparents as well

Also, I'm pretty sure Sesame Street would have it. The 'Pre-Elmo' days. I hear a lot of people who have stated that Elmo ruined the show or something

Also cartoons as a whole. People who believe that only the older cartoons are good.

>>29398172
...However, that depends on which one you consider the "original" one, the original CARTOON, or it's actual original incarnation, the comic. This conflict is the very reason TMNT cannot satisfy anyone, it doesn't know which one to be.

>>29396183
Thats not even contested, I don't know a single person who would defend the later seasons outside of a few select episodes.

>>29394200
I'd say YGO, most people only care and remember the first season purely because it was popular at the time and most likely dropped out around early to mid GX.

I've seen so many people returning to the actual card game get confused and upset at new mechanics and pine for old days when pre-banlist/early meta was absolutely disgusting.

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>>29397937
I thought /padt/ jumped to shilling the Sun and Moon anime, calling XY&Z "boring shonen trash" to distance themselves from the wave of defeat that emanated when Ash lost again and praising how he now has """personality"""

>>29394221
I think the better term is "Purists"

>>29397581
>>29394277
But people actually like Tamers and there are people who said they like it more than Adventures and met with minimal shit talking. Seriously, even on /a/, Tamers have a strong following.

I'm pretty sure this applies to a lot of Music fans

>>29398268
>Black Sabbath
That's kinda the issue. Classic rock is basically dead. Metal is alive, but not everyone likes how metal sounds. You're not likely to find stuff like, just throwing some diverse names off the top of my head, Pink Floyd, the Eagles, or Tom Petty.

>>29398167
Dark Souls for PC was good? Have you even played it or looked at the controls?

>>29394200
The MLP fanbase. Some people just don't like after Season 1 and/or 2. They're very vocal on /mlp/, but can't deny they have good arguments

>>29398372
Tamers IS the best season, that´s a fact. I think the problem is that while I like Adventure despite it flaws, I hate both 02 and Tri for being hot garbage that normie fans will eat no matter what. I don´t like Appmonster that much but fuck if is not better than Tri.

>>29398337
The issue I have with the anime is that it never let Ash win and introduce a new protagonist. It was kind of forgivable before, but it makes absolutely no sense that a League finalist is now in elementary school.

>>29398449
What has possessed your type to think you're any more accepted outside of your board now than you were in the past?

That's what I like about the Star Trek fandom, they at least have come to recognize that both prominent parts of the fandom can coexist. Some debate may still occur betwen TOS and TNG, and you can argue with me that TOS won since that is all anyone is willing to focus on, but everyone that I know will at least recognize TNG as being just as worthy.

>>29398260
I'd say "proper" TES fans generally like Oblivion more, and its the crustiest oldfags who prefer Morrowind. Never heard anyone defend the first two as superior to the others except some really salty Oblivion fans saying even they were better than Skyrim.

>>29394235
This one.

>>29398416
>Classic rock is basically dead
I would prefer to say "stagnant". Classic sound amps are a good niche in guitar amplifiers, but most of them are used just to make tributes in local clubs; and finding original classic rock content is hard.

i'm actually struggling to think of another fanbase that HATES the classic era as much as pokemon fans desu.

the total lack of respect pokemon fans have for gen 1 is borderline disgusting, just misguided frothing rage from underage faggots who are annoyed that people were enjoying their favorite cool thing before they were even born

if you've EVER unironically used the term genwunner, you should legitimately kill yourself

World of Warcraft

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>>29394200
Souls.

Most of the Souls community started with Dark Souls 1 and can't get the fuck over it and are very vocal about not getting the fuck over it so now DaS3 is just DaS1.5 and nobody's happy about it because the people that wanted a new game got half of a new game and the people who wanted DaS1 got half of DaS1.

>>29398467
>implying I care about that
>People are still mad ponyfags exist in nearly 2017
Just let go, that shit can't be healthy

>>29396358
>implying it shouldn't have ended when Goku met Bulma

>>29398540
*scratches out World of and leaves Warcraft* There you go. Yes, everyone prefers the strategy games to the MMO, and even then, it's not the first one. Warcraft 3 is generally touted as the pinnacle, particularly Frozen Throne. (it may be no coincidence that within the MMO, Lich King is also considered the pinnacle)

>>29398531
I actually love and appreciate Gen 1 but i hate how the "mainstream" denounces everything past the 151 as "fake" or "worse"

>>29394200
This is a bit of a stretch, but I've seen many people in Mabinogi absolutely despise the Genesis update that changed the load skill based combat to cooldown based.

>>29398578
It kinda applies to World of Warcraft on its own.

There are people who nostalgia too much about how pre-cata WoW was the only right way to play WoW

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>>29394236
>was once like that for several series
>realized I was being a faggot and learned to give the new stuff a shot
>enjoyed it just as much if not more than the old stuff
>the endless struggle of trying to convince people to give new parts of a series a shot

>>29398519
If you'd prefer. Anyway, my point is just that I can understand why they'd be all "Older is better." about rock because the flavor they like just isn't a thing anymore, it's easy to be bitter about it. Still, a lot of them are probably just being too stubborn about trying new sounds, even if a few just legitimately don't like anything else.

>>29398501
>I'd say "proper" TES fans generally like Oblivion more
God no. The people really deep into the lore have always hated it more than Skyrim.

>>29398531
>>29398580
I started playing from the original release, my rich friend scooped up all the gameboy games more or less. And I'm fed up with the pandering. It's not even mainstream liking it that bothers me, it's GF warping the generations to do so (more kanton mons than alolan mods being the newest and most embarrassing example.)

>>29394200
Some bands that moved to a different style after band members left. Genesis is a good example, with Peter Gabriel leaving, a lot of fans also left.
Some TV shows, I guess. I've heard enough people complain that thought The Office was shit after Steve Carell left.

>>29398616
Any examples, anon?

>>29398558
Bro I think Dark Souls 2 is better than people say but I don't get you guys flooding in here trying to act like it's the best.

Diablo.

But can you blame them, because D3 is legit shit.

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Ppl who think britney's first 4 albums before breakdown are her only good ones.

Blackout > *

>>29398651
Maybe. My personal experience is mostly around gameplay discussions, with people whining about how Oblivion had more things to do that mattered rather than an infinite number of radiant fetch quests, then a couple people butting in to make a remark about Morrowind being the true superior TES game. But then again im only tertiarily involved in the TES fandom and have only played Skyrim.

>>29398651
Wait, you're telling me people don't appreciate TES:Middle-Earth?
How could that be?

>>29394200
Every single franchise is the only answer, and the correct term is purist

Seconding the anon thag said this happens everywhere, even sports. Nostalgia is one hell of a drug. The one I can think most similar to Pokémon is vidya in general, retro vs new. Many people hate modern gaming and how it's gotten so much easier.

>>29396934
>Not reading

The only instance I know of where people may like a more recent version more than an older one is if they came in on the more recent one before seeing the older one. There are very few instances where a more recent thing matched or surpassed the original version. What other people think or even what most people think ultimately doesn't matter, though. What do YOU think?

>>29398796
I think marriage should be between a man and a woman, anon.

>>29398651
>>29398730
Oblivion and Skyrim have different problems.

The first butchered a ton of lore and failed to recapture the feel Morrowind had by turning Cyroldiil into AverageFantasySettingLand but was otherwise a competent RPG, leveling system aside.

Skyrim in my opinion recaptured the feeling an Elder Scrolls game should have in terms of setting but is one of the most entry-level, casual and shallow RPGs I've ever played.

Which one you dislike less is a matter of personal preference.

>>29397649
To be honest, people like you made me hate gen 1 totally and a little gen 2.

Fuck you and fuck Charizard.

>>29398732
Because Cyrodiil in lore is supposed to be a deep, dark jungle filled with wild elves and roman legions. In Oblivion it's generic medieval europe countryside.

>>29398940
I didn't like how Skyrim had the Voice restricted to only Greybeards for the most part, but I suppose they had a lore justification, a better one than what they came up with for Oblivion anyway. I just would've rather been in a Skyrim during the time that pretty much every Nord went around using the Voice even if few could do the impressive stuff.

>>29398683
Well, I accidentally got friend to watch the latest Yu-Gi-Oh series thanks to a shitpost video I made.

>>29394237
every fanchise has a set of "genwunners", for how much games have changed on many cases (see: sequelities: zelda, according to egoraptor). But none are as REMARKED as pokemon, since the games literally call it "generation 1" and is not a set of changes that slowly go through each incarnation of a game, like zelda or final fantasy.

pokemon has them numbered, so you can just point your finger to one and say: "LOOK, THIS GEN WAS BETTER, ITS THE SAME BUT BETTER".

Although, the most similar case would be final fantasy VII vs XIII. where everyone who likes VII despises XIII and some just dont care.

I mean, there's a reason why "new super mario bros", and stuff like "NES collection" are still a thing.

>>29398825
>3dpd

>>29398531
>the total lack of respect pokemon fans have for gen 1 is borderline disgusting
You really need to actually deal with the pokemon fanbase before saying that shit. and no, falseflaggers don´t count.

>if you've EVER unironically used the term genwunner, you should legitimately kill yourself
>he thinks using that term means hating Gen 1
>he has also never interacted with anyone outside of the pokemon fanbase.
Is this your first post on the Internet anon?

>>29399103
People hate XIII because it's a hallway that doesn't explain its setting except in the in-game encyclopedia and is full of unlikeable skidmarks for characters.

>>29399103
the thing with pokemon's genwunners is gamefreak has been pandering super hard to gen 1 since XY.


I mean, the fact that only gen 1 pokemon are getting alola forms, yet Solrock and Lunatone aren't in the regional alola dex so shows the favoritism

>>29396337
The reboot had potential, though.

Also G1 had a lot of flaws, IMO the story went fully to shit after the toyline ended.

>>29398531
>i'm actually struggling to think of another fanbase that HATES the classic era as much as pokemon fans desu
And this is how you know someone has spent too much time on /vp/

>>29399170
Since BW*

BW was advertised as a "new beginning" so that people who started with gen 1 could relive their old experiences

>>29399183
yeah, but whenever I talk to a genwunner, they always bitch about BW. Not even le trashbag and ice cream maymay

>>29399183
>BW was advertised as a "new beginning" so that people who started with gen 1 could relive their old experiences
That´s, at most, pandering to the feeling of playing Gen 1, not to Gen 1 directly. So if you were an actual fan you´d get something new and if you were a Gen 1 fan you´d relive the old experience.

Then again, GF fails to get what most media companies also fail to get, the sucess of the first iteration is not because something inherent to it, it´s because it was the first and there wasnt anything like it that was popular at the time.
Swap any gen mons with gen 1 mons and the result would be the exact same with the only difference being "muh original 100/135/107..." instead of 151.

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>>29398337
Ash has personality in XYZ too but its not as exaggerated as the Sun & Moon, which some may or may not like

>>29398692
When did I mention Dark Souls 2?

Are you not aware that Dark Souls was not the first Souls game? I'm guessing not.

>>29394200
Yu-Gi-Oh!

>SEGA won't stop pandering to people like Sammyclassicsonicfan
>Everything outside of the gameplay in recent games is shit

It feels bad to be a Sonic fan that isn't a classicfag. The original games were good but they also had flaws.

>>29394200
/vr/ in a nutshell

>>29395763
This.

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>>29396457
Yeah, pretty much. And I will stand by s4 being the best season of the series. It's espically ironic considering how much most fans don't give two shits about the previous generations.

>>29396483
>I don't actually know what jumped the shark means
I left /mlp/ for a reason you know
>>29396581
The fact you can't see irony posting that here in all places makes your post especially sad that being said, gen6 really could've been better

>>29399439
>Demon's fanboy
Started with that one too. It was great. Thing is? Very unpolished. DS1 was generally an improvement in a gameplay and worldbuilding sense.

'least you're not a King's Fieldfag

>>29394237
that doesn't even make sense
sonic adventure battle 2 was clearly the best game in the series

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World of Warcraft has this badly. People who think 'x expansion' is objectively the best. There's even fans that's that complain WoW ruined the Warcraft series.

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>>29398466
This honestly. I feel like it would flow and make more sense if Ash was Sun or Chicken-chan this time around but nope, gotta have Ash because he's grandfather'd in there and would "confuse" to crotch dumplings

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>>29398531
>Being THIS delusional
I'm will to bet you weren't even born during Gen1

>>29399732
>There's even fans that's that complain WoW ruined the Warcraft series.
I mean, it did in a way. The writing has really gone downhill. If we ever get a new Warcraft game odds are that it's gonna be really bad in terms of storyline.

>>29399735
And there always gonna be people who bring Doraemon. Doraemon is not about traveling the word and having a goal, it make absolutely no sense for Ash to still be 10.

>>29394423
Spyro and Crash should have died peacefully after the PS1 era.

The bulk of these all happened around the same time period

What the fuck is wrong with that generation?

Mighty Morphin Power Rangers

>>29398400
It applies to everything.

/vp/ is just very sheltered.

>>29399660
>DS1 was generally an improvement in a gameplay and worldbuilding sense.

I did not say otherwise. In fact, I think every game has made major improvements in one way or another.

DS1 improved the kombat and had a bigass well made interconnected world that's a rarity in 3d games. It also greatly improved the summon system.

DS2 wasn't interconnected but was about as nonlinear as a Souls game could get, you didn't even have to beat the 4 lords to beat the game. There was also the new estus system, teleporting from the get-go, omnirolling, a better smithing system, and a ton of other small changes that improved gameplay immensely. Admittedly those steps forward came with a few steps back, but I can deal with janky animations for the sake of not waiting half an hour for a friend to get on the same node when I'm trying to co-op.

DS3 has a character creator almost on par with BB's and a healthy mix of good gameplay mechanics from the previous games (like DS2's omnirolling but with DS1's roll attack weapon aiming) in a world that I absolutely cannot care about. I think part of the reason behind that is DS3's linearity, in DeS, DS1, and DS2 you generally have to do a few things at the start of the game but once you get those things out of the way you can do just about whatever you want. DS3 doesn't give you a real choice of where to go until the swamp and even then you have to do the CotD before you can go to Irithyll so the choice is already kind of made for you. Even if you kill the dancer early the untended graves are your only subsequent option because you can't enter the Archives until you've killed 3 LoCs.

>>29394200
Magic: the Gathering

>>29399875
>crash
fuck you, twinsanity was awesome

>>29397322
Kaga can do no wrong

>>29399634
>the moment when a brand, design, franchise, or creative effort's evolution declines, or when it changes notably in style into something unwelcome.

Sounds like a fitting term for me regarding S3E13 and EqG.

>>29400085
Wrong on both accounts sir, but I'm not going to argue that here.

Like I said, I left that shit hole for a reason

>>29394257
Normie detected, get your nonvirgin ass off my board

>>29400114
If you can't see what's wrong with making a spinoff where all the characters are humans in high school, or how it's a notable change in style that would be unwelcome to a lot of people, I don't think an argument would get anywhere anyway, so I'll agree to end the conversation.

>>29397241
I know the term comes from transformers, but does it really apply?

Every new transformers property has been a reboot, completely different from the last, and obviously not going to cater to everyone's taste. While pokemon improves on the groundwork laid by the last gen while not changing things too drastically.

I can understand why someone might hate the other shows after TF G1, but hating the later Pokemon games just for the mons is fucking stupid because the older mons are still there.

>>29400114
>>29400150
You should both just leave this website desu

>>29394235
This is literally genwunner mentality

Sims escaped this

>>29400213
>I know the term comes from transformers, but does it really apply?
If they created it, then it unarguably applies.
You might argue the pokemon version of it doesnt apply, but not the original.

> hating the later Pokemon games just for the mons is fucking stupid because the older mons are still there
That´d imply nostalgiafags actually do give a shit about the content of the pokemon franchise. It´s not the case, it´s just to be trendy.

>>29398531
autism incarnate

>>29394387
for me , it was somewhat always the "second try" at the format that i loved the most, with FA2 being the best out of FA1/2 and Tactics and new vegas being far better than FA3/4

>>29398728
I'm pretty sure Blackout is Britney's most respected album and it saved her career after all her scandals.

>>29395384
Whereas Legends is actually my favorite iteration of the series. But Mega Man fans don't seem to bitch at each other about these things, for some reason.

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Someone else played this?

I have seen a huge part of the fanbase loving the 7.6 update and hating mostly anything past 8.0, but others think that 8.7 ruined it.

I barely know about the most recent updates, because I stopped about 8 years ago when my friends got bored of it.

And tried to get back just for nostalgia in 2012, got bored very quickly, fucking bots.

>>29398279
The IDW comics are great because they say "fuck you, everything you vaguely remember about TMNT from any media is here, enjoy" in a way that works pretty well.

>>29394200
World of Warcraft, but I don't blame them, current WoW is shit.

>>29394200
-Halo
-Transformers

>>29406147
Did literally anyone outside Eastern Europe, Brazil and maybe Korea play this? Because I don't see it mentioned anywhere.

>>29394200
>Paper Mario
Sticker star
>Fire emblem
I only played the U.S handhelds so the jump could have been worse or better
>SpongeBob SquarePants
Stopped like 4 or 5
>Simpsons and family guy
Jumped the shark
>Konami
Almost everything bad happened to them

Reverse
>The candy horse show
>Awakeners
Didn't play fates or the old games
>Newgeners
Hate any Pokemon game 10+ years

MapleStory. And they're right for the wrong reasons.

>>29394200
Megaman.

>>29395091
Have to say I'm currently running through 2 on a recommendation and I'm really not enjoying it as much as Demon's Souls.

>>29395238
You mean gen 4.

>>29396392
What people don't see is that XCX isn't about the individual characters but the events of the entire world.

>>29396602
Miyamoto didn't even tell them to make such drastic changes.

>>29396826
we play it for it being a lot faster paced
the exploits just make it even faster

>>29409633
It's slow as fuck without them though.

Yu-Gi-Oh gets it a lot too

"No Synchro/xyz/Pendulum" might as well not play the game.

>>29396538
I thought there were only trial and trib fans that went ass crazy and I thought most people agreed the second game is the black sheep.

Sonic.

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Does Evangelion have genwunners? As an Eva fan, I'm disappointed in the second Rebuild movie and compare it unfavorably to the original series, so I can imagine that there must be Neon Genesis purists out there who bash any sort of spinoff or reboot.