>too slow for normal play >too fast for trick room

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>pokemon is meant to be defensive
>rock/steel typing

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>>29330632
>it also takes shits on cars

>pokemon is a ground type
>learns only one ground type move when levelling up

>>29330598
Being Chandelure is suffering.

>learning a STAB
>In gen I
>yfw not a normal-type

>base 170 attack and ice type
>cant learn any physical ice moves

>>29330644
But Aggron is good. I was talking about Bastiodon.

>only good stat is special defense
>horrible defensive typing
>not strong or fast enough to be offensive
>mediocre movepool
>Lowest Smogon tier forever

>>29330647
>is dig

>Iron Fist
>35 Attack

>>29330711
Jesus christ, we get it, Ledian is irredeemable shit.

>>29330703
Is that you Ledian?

>>29330705
>tfw dig is replaced with LEECH LIFE in S/M

>>29330651
Chandelure is fine in Trick Room. Neg-Nature, 0 IV/EV outslows uninvested neutral base 60's, that's really all you need.

BEEEEURRRRTUTUTU

>>29330688
Bastiodon is such a retarded Pokemon. Holy shit

Who thought only 60hp would be fine on that thing? Why not give it a Seismic Toss equivalent if it has such a low attack? Why does it NOT have a reliable recovery move?

GameFreak sure can be brain dead at times.

>>29330688
>amazing special movepool
>physical attacker

>>29330752
Is that beheyeem's cry

>>29330742
not op but my guess was articuno

Can Kecleon learn fucking Camouflage?

>Pokemon is good (too good for UU) but not good enough for OU since its inception
>has been rotting in BL forever
It's an abstract sort of feel

ITT: People forget Tailwind exist

>only options moves ever are Thunderbolt/Thunder, Thunder Wave, Hidden Power

Being Electric type is suffering

>>29330598
>Has Tough Claws
>Has practically no moves that can benefit from it

>Has Sheer Force
>Has practically no moves that can benefit from it

>>29330799
why would it need to
redundant/10

>>29330807
>Tailwind
>only lasts three turns
I mean I guess it's Okay for doubles but otherwise it's total shit.

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>>29330807
>This guy can be a real killer all you have to do is set up!

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>be Grass-Type
>only moves are grass and maybe Sludge Bomb

>Yanmega can carry an adult with ease and is capable of flight
>Can't learn fly

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>Electric type physical attacker
>Rock type special attacker

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>>29330832
>betcha didnt know smeargle has really op stats if you use dragon dance on it four times
>what do you mean it will take too long to set up i have protect
everyone

>>29330746
It'll probably get buffed to match Giga Drain's power.
>>29330803
Staraptor?

>>29330742
Grumpig, but good guess. I suppose a lot of Pokemon fit that description

>>29330826
Four. ANd usualy thats enough to one shot many mons.

>>29330807
Only useful if it was an ability.

But it is not.

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>can't learn Solar Beam

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>Is epic dragon with le cool wing
>no fly
>Fucking rock godzilla thing
>come flu with me

>>29330819
>electroball, nuzzle, Discharge

>>29330857
>Staraptor
yes

>>29330875
>charge beam

>Special Rock-type
>Only two Special attacks (three including HP)
>Strongest is 80

>amazing Attack
>shit Defenses
>slow but not slow enough for Trick Room
>all its decent STAB attacks have a chance to miss

>type with a large amount of Flying subtypes
>only two of them can learn Fly
>none of them are Flying types

>bro is a slow mixed attacker with average defenses

what's its name /vp/?

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>>29330978

>>29330966
Rampardos

>>29330969
Bug is eternally screwed over (also I was not aware Genesect learned Fly).

>>29330978
Octillery

>>29330819
Electrode?

>>29330847
>rock type with decent special attack
can't get power gem

>Physical Electric type
>best Physical Electric attack is exclusive to mascot line
>have to use inferior clone Wild Charge

Just give those Pokemon Volt Tackle already, GF.

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>Pokemon has amazing HP stat
>Is slow, has paper-thin defenses, shit movepool and average at best offensive stats.
Why does GF hate whales?

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>It's a Normal-type gimmick Pokemon with sub 450 BST whose stats are all divided evenly

>Gets Rock Head
>Doesn't get Head Smash
>Doesn't get Brave Bird
There can't be a more JUST Pokémon than Aerodactyl.

>>29330978
What is Gen III in a nutshell?

>>29331152
You forgot
>Gets Tough Claws upon Mega evolving
>Only useful for Wing Attack/Aerial Ace

>>29331152
Rampardos? At least Aeodactyl got a mega

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>>29331134
>giving a shit about Castform

>all my favorite Pokemon are BL

>Rock/Ground
>Rock/Ice
>Rock/Steel
>almost every move has less than 100% accuracy
Why is Rock such a JUST type?

>Stats like a physical sweeper
>Shit physical move pool
>Great special and utility move pool

>>29330821
2nd one darmanitan?

>Slow start
>Can't learn protect
>Can't learn rest
>You find it sleeping
>Can't learn rest
What the fuck

>Incredible 115 attack and special attack
>Shit in every other stat.
>Stoled an exclusive move from a Pokemon

>>29331770
Cacturne?

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>>29330598
>Great defensive typing
>Fantastic support movepool
>NO FUCKING RECOVERY
It hurts.

>>29331792
Correct.

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>>29330598
>paragon of glass cannon type combos
>slow, bulky special tank
>no reliable recovery

>no weakness
>no bulk to compensate
>mixed attacker
>higher attack stats on an electric type

>good defensive mono typing
>decent stats
>2 good signature moves

>rest of movepool is Flareon 2.0

>>29332002
Eelektross should have been electric/water and had higher defenses. Thing is BEGGING to fully utilize an assault vest.

>>29331064
Being Omastar is suffering

>it just gets STAB moves and Hidden Power

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>>29332046
>>good mono typing
Being mono typed is NEVER good.

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>>29332145
Lilligant cries every time

>>29332148
Fairy and Steel are pretty good on there own.

>>29332148
Tell that to Clefable or Chansey

>>29332178
>Tell that to Clefable or Chansey
Both could be easily better if they were dual typed. You're retarded.

>>29332210
>Fairy/Rock Clefable
So much better

>compound eyes
>only have one powerful move with low precision

>>29331152
>Aggron doesn't learn head smash naturally
>Neither Archeops, Golem, steelix/onix, Rhydon, etc.
>Honedge line learns it via leveling

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>>29332311
>No Guard
>only have one powerful move with low precision

>>29332253
I said it could be better, not every dual type is better you stupid pavement ape. Learn to read.

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>>29331770
>Doesn't get cotton guard, acupressure, woodhammer like it's weaker, special attacking gen 5 cousin
>Same egg group

Fuck Maractus that piece of shit. Of course gf gave the good moves and abilities to the girly cactus. Sand veil will be and always was useless.

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>>29332334
It's nice to have it for Stone Edge too. It's also going to be able to have Fissure to, so who knows.

>>29332346
I said that Fairy and Steel types were perfectly good mono wise.Why don't you learn to read my guy, eh?

>>29332334
Mega Pidgeot. What fail :(

>>29332311
>precision
>>29332334
>precision
It's accuracy you fags.

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>outstanding base stats
>it's a complete shitmon because of its ability

>>29332375
I was about to reply with machamp too but...
>mega pidgeot

>>29332330
It is dumb as fuck those pokemon don't learn it. But I believe honedge and line learn it because smashing the pommel of a sword against something is a move in sword play.

>>29332375
Mono Dragon isn't too bad either, senpai. Good switch-ins.

>>29331405
Hello Klinklang.
I'm still mad that Genesect stole Shift Gear.

>>29332428
Archeops?Regigigas?

>>29332493
And Slaking.

>>29330703
Cryogonal?

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>>29332210
>Steel/Fairy Clefable
>Steel/Fairy Chansey

>>29330752
Its de-le-le-le-le-le-whoooooooooop

>supposed to be an offensive type
>GF always build """defensive""" pokémons of that type
>there are only 6 (six) of that type with base speed higher than 99 and 9 (nine) with base attack or spa higher than 99, counting Arceus

>>29332577
Ice? Is that you, you poor bastard?

>>29332577
>wait, Jynx is fast right?
>95
At least Cryogonal has 105 speed?

>>29332602
I wonder if GameFreak think Weavile was a mistake.

>>29332084
I referred to cradily, but yeah omaatar too. Power gem is mainly given to physical rocks or non-rocks. Off the top of my head the only special rocks that get gem are diancie, probopass, and aurorus

>>29332775
>Aurorus
Anon, I'm sorry but...

>gets prankster
>can't make good use of it
>has shit physical movepool ignoring egg moves

>>29332478
>Klinklang
Oh yeah, that works too.

I was actually thinking of Unfezant, though now that I look at it I over estimated it's special pool.

>>29332775
But, Diance and Aurorus dont learn Power Gem

>>29332800
Banette, right ? Thry should've made it a mixed mon, good Atk, but not that kind of SpAtk. And where the hell is its Speed ??

>>29330598
>Slow defensive pokemon known primarily for sleeping and eating can't learn slack-off
JUST

>>29332775
Diancie doesn't get it either but Carbink does. It has really shitty distribution

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>special attacker
>movepool has more physical than special moves

>>29330856
>some mad af white ass cracker took hours out of his life drawing this

it's an abstract sort of feel

>>29330821
M-Aero is top

>>29332869
I think Power Gem might be the worst distributed move out there.
More non-rock types learn it than rock types. It's crazy.

>>29332934
>150 speed Taunt
I love that thing.

>>29331066
>Back in Gen IV we didn't even have Wild Charge
>Electivire had to use Thunder Punch
>Luxray had to use SPARK

Maybe now that Pikachu and Raichu have their own Z-moves AND Pikachu hasn't known Volt Tackle in the anime for 6 years we can finally release it

>>29332369
It feels great to be a Maractusfag

>>29332463
That and wish gallade got sacred sword.

>>29332906
>Physical attacker
>Learns mostly special attacks
>Gyrados

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>>29333333
nice

>>29333162
Emphasis on fag

>>29333333
This get commands Gamefreak.

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>>29333333
C'mon meme magic

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>Physical attacker
>Ghost type

Can't they at least get a strong move that isn't a Dig clone?

>>29333468
Shadow Force is pretty amusing on Trevenant, but a good physical move that just does damage would be nice.

>>29333333
and Gardevoir gets Aura Sphere

>stats are relatively high overall
>offenses are too weak to use over other options
>lacks real recovery to be considered a great defensive option
>good but not good enough
>Mega is the same way and really only has a niche in triples

>Amazing physical movepool
>Great STABs on those physical movepool
>Signature attack is Physical
>Way higher Sp.A than Atk
>The Mega only increases the Sp.A further

>great ability
>average but workable stats
>solid support moveset with a great niche
>highest attack of it's type
>said type has no moves to make use of it

>>29330858
Is grumpig really that bad, I've had a lot of fun using it

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>>29333468
>ghost moves were only physical from gen 1 to 3

>Incredible typing until Gen 6
>Suddenly gains a whole load of weaknesses
>Fast, but not fast enough
>Gets a Mega that turns it into a hueg sweeper
>Still dies to EQ
>Even when Mega'd up, Gengar ties it in speed so half the time it's a crapshoot to see if it does anything

>>29333585
Shadow Ball was still a pretty shit move compared to Megahorn and Meteor Mash back then

>>29333585
>the first Ghost pokemon that could actually use Ghost moves properly was introduced in Gen 3
>completely fuck it over in gen 4

>>29332854
Yeah, his mega gets 20 or 30 special attack if i remember correctly, but little speed. I compare him to crawdaunt in the fact that they both have low speed and high attack with 2 options for priority moves, but crawdaunt gets an obscene benefit in the form of rain and adaptability to compensate for the 40bp of aqua jet. In terms of his megas prankster, he only gets wisp and Destiny bond. He's my favorite ghost, but I feel that something like tough claws or adaptability and more speed would have helped him.
also being able to get more tms, he can't even learn hone claws or brick break. Dusclops can get brick break with no arms and banette with obvious claws and get a potential attack boost

>>29333657
Shadow Ball was something at least. Electric at least gets Wild Charge. Steel gets Iron Head at least. Shadow Claw is shit.

>>29333737
Wild Charge is some hot garbage though.

>>29333748
Wild Charge is pretty shit, but I'd take a 90 BP move with recoil over a 70 BP one.

>>29333804
...you get extra crit chance?
Both are pretty fucking awful, really.

>have incredibly high defense, even higher than Deoxys-D
>46 Special Defense
>no speed
>ice type

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>>29333939
Avalugg is still a bro at least.

>>29333939
>High defense, HP and attack
>able to put EVs in Sp. Def because of it
>Reliable recovery
>Rapid Spin
>Passable physical movepool
>Ice

Can we just ban ice types from being defensive in the future? I mean holy shit.

>>29333620
Metagross is one of my favorite Pokemon, but I like the base design a lot more than the Mega.

>>29333582
certainly not as bad as Ledian but it's not good either. Psychic as a whole is a shitty typing nowadays. Pure psychic pokemon need to have really good stats and abilites to be good

>>29334041
Avalugg? Avalugg is good in PU

>defensive ice and grass types

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>>29334254

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>>29334254
>not running defensive grass types

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>>29332869
>be diancie
>can't learn play rough or earthquake, so can't go full physical
>can't learn power gem, so can't go full special

>>29333585
>shadow ball has always lowered special defense
>even when it did physical damage

It's like GF forgot

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>>29334254
yo how about I stall your shit

>>29330857
>It'll probably get buffed to match Giga Drain's power.
>a move that plenty of early bugs learn
>having 75 BP right away
No fucking way. It will probably be something like Draining Kiss's 50 BP.

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>>29333468
Being golurk is suffering.

>>29331152
That was a common trend in Gen III because everything got Double Edge back then.

>>29334373
His base stats are literally my mom's weaker machamp. They really screwed him over

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>receive quiver dance as a blessing to make up for your shitty typing, movepool and stats
>receive cool abilities like tinted lens, speed boost and compoundeyes to make up for your shitty typing, movepool and stats
>receive a minmaxed mega to make up for your shitty typing, movepool and stats
>all of this is made completely worthless by a single move + ability combo

hi, my name is fucking half the bug-types

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>>29334566
;-;

The whole speed stat is fucked.

If Gamefreak weren't complete hacks, they would revamp speed to values 1-3. Slow pokes 1, fastest pokes 3.

This would get rid of the fucking garbage speed meta and make a slew of pokemon who are currently too slow to not be complete shit actually worthwhile.

>>29334566
I hope Whimpod2 and Vikavolt are good bugs.

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>>29334254
kinda funny how both grass and rock are shit defensive types, but together make up for a very nice defensive typing

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>>29333333

>>29334250
>Tfw when even kinda shit PU mons like Flareon and Zweilous are more viable than Regigigas
Avalugg fags like you don't know true suffering

>>29334813
>good
>bugs
pick one

>>29332504
Cryogonal actually has something going for it in a great speed tier and rapid spin

>>29334742
>every single turn should be a speed tie

Dumbass.

>>29334947
Scizor

>>29334947
Volcarona, Heracross, M Pinsir

>>29334968
>hey, I know that my opponent has a speed tier of 2, that means if I use a 3, I'll be faster
>hey, I know that my mon has a speed tier of 1, I can expect to always go second to faster mons

Where's the fundamental difference? A pokemon with 301 Spd will move after a pokemon with 302 Spd every time. What's the point of that extra 300 Spd stat?

All it does is keep pokemon with dog shit speed tiers from ever being good. It's why the whole meta has gone to priority shitfests.

>if I invest EVs into Spd, I can go from Spd 1 to Spd 2
>if I invest EVs into Spd, I can go from Spd 3 to Spd 4

It's retarded faggots like you that want to see 90% of all pokemon stay completely useless.

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>>29334295
>fully invested power gem only does marginally more damage than uninvested diamond storm

>>29333545
Sceptile?

>try to pick a sweeper for my team to clean house
>always forced to pick a dragon type because any other sweeper's options are too limited/stats too specialized

Fuck gamefreak why is the only powerhouse dragon. If I have to choose between a dragon type and an alternative the dragon type is a better choice 99 out of 100 times

>>29335094
>What's the point of that extra 300 Spd stat?
to outspeed things with less than 31 speed.

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>>29331134

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>>29330847
>Fighting type special attacker

>>29335676
>the only special fighting type that can't go mixed is Keldeo
>it gets Secret Sword

Fighting types sure have it good.

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I swear to Arceus, if Alolan Sandslash doesn't have impressive stats to make up for its batshit retarded typing, if I see ONE MORE defensive Ice-type I am going to lose my motherfucking shit

>>29330807

Tailwind is only good in triples.

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>>29335903
>yfw it gets absurd amounts of def/spdef but low HP

>>29335004
Name a single Bug move that is commonly seen on Mega Pinsir sets. M-Pinsir is a glorified Flying type

>it's only worth using if you give it choice scarf/specs/band

>>29331104
lol my last playthrough of ruby i beat the elite four with two of these on my team

>>29335903
It won't be defensive it will just be slow

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>>29336226
>Ice-type version of Sand Rush for Alolan Sandlash

This would obviously make the most sense, but this is GF we're talking about

>has serenes grace
>has literally no good moves to benefit from it
>now locked into worst form because GF can't let you choose

>>29330821
Who's the Sheer Force example? Braviary?

>>29336432
Might be Kingler.
Poor Kingler.

>>29332463
I was under the impression that the tip of a sword was its "head"

>>29330756
Most Gen1 pokemons. Tauros can learn Ice Beam, Flamethrower, Solar Beam, Surf, Blizzard, Hyper Beam, and Thunderbolt and he has a whooping 40 base SpA.
At least Nidoking has just barely enough to make use of Sheer Force.

>>29330711
>>29330742
>>29330725
>Azumarill constantly gets blessings from GF
>Ledian is stuck in shit tier forever
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIRRRR

>>29330868
>can learn surf

Doesn't really need solarbeam my man.

>>29334866
My nigga
Half the time I use him in battle spot people try smacking him with flying or fire moves, forgetting that he needs steel or ice to die.
I used one back in emerald and I figured he was too weak to be of use, but my current one in omega ruby tanks Dragon ascents and one shots mega charizard y's after eating a flamethrower

Bug and steel is also an interesting type combo, with only one weakness

>>29336666
What set do you use in BS, quad man? My set usually consists of Recover/SR/Giga Drain/Rock Slide in singles.

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>be flygon
>seriously, just trying fucking being flygon
>garchomp is introuced just 1 gen after
>statistically outclasses you in literally every way
>fucking 102 base speed
>it has swords dance
>did I mention FUCKING 102 BASE SPEED
>you get... uh... u-turn and boomburs- CHOMP GETS SWORDS FUCKING DANCE
>oh look they even gave it a mega that's actually worse than its base form just to rub it in
>mega altaria? dragon ampharos? dragon sceptile? what the fuck is going on?
>at least you're better than dragalge- WHO GAVE IT ADAPTABILITY?
>literally only druddigon is worse now

someone at GF has a vendetta

>>29336752
Fuck that man, I literally have loved Flygon ever since R/S/E. I want to train one but why the fuck would I when Chomp does everything it does better and Defog requires one from 2 gens before.

>>29336752
I've always kinda hated Flygon to be honest.
I don't know, I guess it took an interesting first form design and then turned it into something just...generic.

>>29336752
>only thing worse is druddigon
Shut your whore mouth. At least flygon gets dragon dance. It'll never get in a pissing distance of druddigon's offense or defensive capabilities with rough skin/sheer force. His only flaw is speed.

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>>29336752
What about Wigglytuff? It literally has never had a purpose when Clefable was around. All it has is more HP. That's it. Even in earlier gens where they are both shit, there was no point in using Wigglytuff because Clefable was just plain better.

>>29336913
>At least flygon gets dragon dance
uh...

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>>29336913
>Flygon gets Dragon Dance
You fucker!

>>29336913
lmao @ druddigon's 'offensive capabilities'

no secondary typing (STAB EQ is GOAT) and almost no moves to actually take advantage of sheer force

and his 'only' flaw is the most important stat in the game. okay.jpg

>>29336752
quiver dance + special attacking mega when

>>29337051
He's got some options though.
Gunk Shot and Fire Punch are most notable, I think.

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>>29330821
WHY, WHY CAN'T THEY GIVE KINGLER WATERFALL?

>>29337170
>Gunkshot
>Elemental fangs / punches
>Iron tail
>Glare

Please gf give druddigon dragon rush. Or a mega with lots of added defense. I want him to end the garchomp meta

>>29336703
I know what I use isn't the best out there, especially because I'm rather new to online battles, but I run him with giga drain/ancient power/recover/barrier

>>29337245
>Mega kingler
>Water/steel
> + 60 spdef, + 40 speed
>Technician with aqua jet / metal claw or tough claws for dat snabhemmer

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>>29336752
How about the guy in ORAS that not only used a level 25 flygon, but he's the one who gives you the garchomp stone

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>gets Iron Fist
>in a gen after the debut of Tough Claws

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>Pokemon designed to be a glass cannon with more focus on the glass part.

>>29337739
Rampardos is, and always will be sad because of this.

>known for great defensive typing with abilites that remove a weakness
>thanks to one notorious bastard, he as a result gains 2 more weaknesses thanks to a nerf meant for the other one

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>>29337894
Don't forget his lack of recovery either

>>29332428
>>29332493
>>29332502

IMO these are the mons that best demonstrate GF's complete incompetence at balancing anything

Truant in particular is the worst idea of a balancing ability in the history of anything ever. This is literally a game where Protect, Substitue, Sleep status and "switching out" exist. How could anyone possibly think this was a good idea? Even with base 255 in every stat it would still suck ass

>>29330807
More like thunder wave
Tailwind is meme as fuck if you use a prankster mon to set it up the turn it dies and you have an unwallable beast in the back.

>>29337477
>gaining steel type and speed

>Pokemon with decent defenses all around
>betrayed by absolutely shitty typing
>also gets two defensive signature attacks
>one even a recovery move
>in the same generation roost was introduced

>>29338253
Vespiquen?

>>29336752
>Be flygon
>Be a hard check to the strongest Pokemon in Adv generation
>One gen after you get outclassed by a newcomer
>newcomer gets banned, become one of the best pivots in the tier
>gen 5's weather fuckfest happens, drop to uu
>gen 6 fucks you over, no mega, literally every dragon introduced in said gen outclasses you, become king of RU
>Even after all of that you still hard check the strongest Pokemon in Uber tier
Awkward sort of feel.

>fucking ridiculous SpA, higher A than most Pokemon too
>amazing signature move
>USELESS ability
>Typing betrays it by giving it a 4x weakness to one of the most common attacking types
>Speed is fucking 70 making it exactly what OP says

I DONT WANT TO USE UNBOUND FORM

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>>29333333
Witnessed.
c'mon game freak, make it happen.

>>29339072
Need to get a draw fag to make dubs guy with a mega ring like he is mega-ing the digits

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>>29337894
>infamous pransktermon with no weakness with a great design to boot
>gen 6's type chart shenanigans cost it and it's Gen 4 friend their main gimmick
>this will never be fixed

>>29330861
Four turns including the one you use it on

>>29339341
>what is sableye and spiritomb
Rip unique gimmick

>>29339802
not sure if serious

sableye is infinitely better now with mega, even with the extra weakness, than it was as a gimmicky shitmon

>slow, mixed attacker with low defenses
>great HP stat with no defenses to speak of
>physical attacker with special movepool
>special attacker with physical movepool
>Only one stat goes over 90
>defensive ice-type
>defensive rock-type
>attacker with support movepool
>support with offensive movepool

why do any of these exist

>>29339341

Let's be fair, Spiritomb was already in bad shape before Fairy was a thing. Slow beefy physical attacker/tank with the worst attacking movepool ever and pretty damn lame abilities. Yeah Fairy took it's one "no weakness" claim to fame but even with that it sucked.

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>>29334566
At least this little gal will provide some help.

>>29339874

Prankster non-Mega was still good, though. Hell it was a direct counter to Mega Kangaskhan, even with Scrappy

>>29339983
GF is a bunch of incompetent retards who would rather add flashy crap like Megas and Z-Moves to "balance" instead of just adjusting BSTs and movepools, and GF is a bunch of incompetent retards who don't understand type interactions.

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>>29336752
>garchomp gets fire fang
>flygon gets fire punch
The only good feel about Flygon.

>>29337532
>Tough Claws
>absolutely better than Iron Fist in every possible way
>has better distribution, enhances damage more, and affects pretty much every physical move instead of a just a few
I seriously can't understand what the fuck was up with gen VI.

>only good stat is defense
>has shit stats afterwards

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>>29337532
>>29340308
The only way to fix this is to just buff Iron Fist to be EXACTLY like tough claws. Just a rename so that Pokemon without claws can get that sweet sweet 33% on ALL "contact" moves ala Dazzling to Queenly Majesty

>only good stat is HP
>everything else is shit
why

>>29340408
Because it's Wobbuffet

>>29341197
Not if it's Wigglytuff.

>>29341221
Not if it's Wailord

>>29331104
>Massive HP and shit defences
Why does GF do this. Wigglytuff and drifblim suffer the same fate. Doesn't help that wigglytuff got shafted with keeping normal type while clefable got pure fairy

>>29341468
>Clefable
>BST:483
>Wigglytuff
>BST:435
It's like they don't even care.

>>29340408
Lanturn pretty much

>>29335958
Moving the goalposts.

>be Gourgeist
>be a fucking PHYSICAL ATTACKER
>you have an awesome Special Movepool

>>29339983
>special attacker with physical movepool
>attacker with support movepool
>support with offensive movepool
Examples?

>>29343051
Fuck Gourgeist this pokemon single handedly shits up PU and not only that it took one of the better concepts for a pokemon and it turned it into shi

>>29334345
Hope scizor learn by tm then

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>Mega with 103 HP and 126 defenses
>gets Regenerator taken away

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mega audino sucks ass ;)

>>29338580
Groudon? What can Flygon threaten him with? That defense can tank like 3 Flygon earthquakes.

>>29345574
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/flygon/uber/
He just walls him while defogging and whittling him down with Toxic and EP.

>>29343051
>check up on Gourgeist
>learns Trick-or-Treat four times by level and Shadow Ball twice
what in the fuck