Zinnia

anybody here think sephiroth is sexy

b8 harder

Crazy and Boobs.

She has nice feet.

people just want to fuck her

Probably the tits

Edgy mary sue who dindu nuffin

>>29330320
>>29330520
>>29330618
This.

Porn

>>29330282
you stole my picture

>>29330340
this

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She's the best

>>29330282
She's an actual asshole, which is a breath of fresh air compared to any other goody two shoes character that's not a villain. She's neither a good guy nor a bad guy, which is pretty cool.

Guys I don't get all the hate, yes she's mary sue but she has a shit ton deeper personality and psyche than Cynthia and Steven.

Let's point out the facts:
-Crazy Tendencies
-Manipulative and kinda Smart
-Grieving Mother/and or Mother

Like seriously, yes Steven Stone is warm and a gemologist, and Cynthia is cool and a mythologist fitting well into their regions' themes, but Zinnia is this crazy, smart, impassioned, sad and lonely character that just wants to see the world burn (or save it and another from burning) so that alternate world Zinnia doesn't see her own child die like however Zinnia did hers. I mean seriously maybe she's just crazy, but the whole "Aster" thing explains a lot. It explains why she abuses her power, why she thinks she's worthy of Rayquaza cause well idk because she's a Draconoid and for them I could easily see Rayray being a guardian deity and the reason why the real Aster was taken away from her.

Like seriously people shit on her but honestly why? Until I see more depth in Cynthia, cause Steven is just a typical smart rich talented pretty boy, her Alder, Lance, Blue, Diantha kinda but not really and Looker, FUCKING LOOKER, are some of the characters with deep depth to them even.

And honestly, why can't Zinnia be projecting the loss of her daughter onto a random whismur she ran into? Maybe fate had it that Zinnia would save that random Whismur, maybe it's Rayray or whoever having a wicked sense of humor.

Nevertheless, if you are that stupid to not notice there's a bit more to Zinnia then what meets the eye, its probably because she blew your waifu, wally probably and Steven the fuck back.

>>29330806
>smart

Stopped reading there

>>29330282
Because she's written as an actual character and not a shallow 2-dimensional waifu

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She bullies and slaps around important characters in the game, even you get conked upside the head for no reason.

I agreed with her both times she asked me and felt like her sissy for the whole Delta Episode.

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>>29330806
>implying Cynthia isn't a giant goober
>implying goober isn't infinitely more complex of a character than MarySue
>thinking Zinnia is smart

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>>29330806
Aster wasn't her kid. She was her predecessor.

>>29330830
>>29331030
>thinking dumb people would be able to manipulate team aqua and magma
gee i dunno

>>29330282
only good part of ORAS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ7iTnZoUGI

>>29330282
I just like her battle theme

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>>29331341
This is why you go for Courtney.

>>29330282
Most people either dislike or is indifferent towards Zinnia.
A sizable group hates her but still wants to fuck.
Only a minority actually like her.

>>29330320
> boobs
Sorry, LoL's Jinx has mountains compared to these bee-stings.

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>>29331508

Terrible character and I'm glad she got hyper beamed by the fug dragon in the manga

>>29330282
Because it has some interesting backstory, interesting role and a personality that isnt a wallflower like Shauna or Hau nor isnt an angry annoying bitch like Silver or Blue

>>29330282
because they're weeaboos.
also narutoe footfaggotry

>>29330747
Problem is, is that she's an asshole, but the game expects you to find her sympathetic and rational.

Which she isn't.

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>>29331568
I want Zinnia to bully me into licking her bootdals clean.

She was great but she was odd in a pokemon game. Thats all i can see why people dont like her. She was created like she was from a different kind of jrpg like persona or something. She was far too different or a actual character in a sense for a game like pokemon.

I dont even know who is she

>>29331611
Yes, that's the problem here. The problem isn't what she does and how he acts, but how the narrative expects you to take said actions.

>>29330806
Yeah but I acknowledge there's more to Zinnia than meets the eye. I still don't like her. Blowing other, older characters the fuck back to establish one's self is something that has garnered disdain from audiences for a very long time.

And it's because it's a shitty technique; it's a way of introducing an opposition or confrontation to previously established ideas which, yes, can and has been good for a story before, but it's the shittiest method of introducing the opposing philosophy.

>>29331565
>Shauna
Who

>>29331565
>Angry annoying bitch
Blue wasn't that angry. He was a bit of a prick though. Silver was pretty fucking insane for the better part of the game, I'll give you that.

>>29331611
>>29332052
This.

>>29331767
I disagree with the actual character part; we've had "actual characters" in varying degrees since Gen 2. They weren't plentiful in Gen 3, but they were back in Gen 4/5.

She wasn't odd because she was fleshed out/three dimensional. She was odd because the narrative presented her to you as if this was one of the crew in spite of how she was acting. Like someone already explained, the story tries to pass her off as sympathetic and rational but she's really, really not. She's abrasive and actually very wrong.

People don't like her solely because she is a rash girl that doesn't think half the time despite being a fine character. She's too wild for /vp/ and that scares the little boys.

>>29331767
>or a actual character

Breh, we already had "actual characters" with Cheren and Bianca. That's not the problem.
People don't like Zinnia because she doesn't seem really likable. There is nothing more to it.

>>29332776
>actual character
>Bianca

>>29332783
She is genuinely one of the very few characters that doesn't feel like a robot.

>>29332722
But what if she scares in a good way?

>>29332783
No, he's right about that. Bianca is actually a good character.

>>29332829
No instead she's a bigger spaz that Barry is and acts like the biggest retard in the series.
>>29332866
Then you can get your dick wet.

I want Zinnia to squirt on my face.

>>29330806
She's still a completely unlikable cunt no matter how much "depth" you wanna imagine she has.

>>29332783
She's actually pretty well done. She goes through issues starting her journey, spend her time trying to decide what to do with her life while everyone around her seems so sure, and eventually works with Professor Juniper after the events of BW, accepting that she doesn't need to worry about being strong to be successful like her friends. She's really great and subverts Wally in a way

>>29332895
>No instead she's a bigger spaz that Barry is and acts like the biggest retard in the series.

You sound like you're talking about Zinnia.

>>29330806
>mother
What?

She's like 17 at most. It's not impossible, but I don't remember anything about her being a mom

>>29333018
>>She's like 17 at most
Yes, and? We've got kids getting pregnant at 14 IRL all the fucking time. 17 is actually pretty high in those standards.

>>29330282

ITT: OP struggles with the concept of people liking things that he doesn't.

>>29333018
She seems to project this "Aster" she lost on that Whismur she refers to as a daughter.

>>29333028
That's why I said it's not impossible. It's highly unlikely for GF to put a single teen mom in their game though, and I've never seen anything indicating that Zinnia is a mother

>>29333018
Asther isn't her daughter but her predesscor. It's just people spouting fanon as fact when they say Asther was her daughter.

>>29333056
Wasn't Aster the last Lore Keeper of the Dragons of whatever the fuck it's called? If Aster was Zinnia's kid, they would have been way too young to ever be a Lore Keeper

>>29330320
>>29330340
Patrician taste

>>29331332
They were the people thinking

>no land
Or
>no water

Was a good idea

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>>29333073
They've put trannies. A teen mom wouldn't be nothing.

>inb4 it's not a tranny
http://legendsoflocalization.com/qa-is-this-character-in-pokemon-xy-transgender/

>>29333028
GameFreak already said it wasn't her daughter.

>>29332783
Bianca probably has the most growth in a Pokemon game you faggot

>>29330282
People think she's hot, and because she's crazy they think she's probably into weird stuff in bed.

>>29333138
Wrong, Wailmer has the biggest growth.

>We love Archie and Maxie and their plans are absolutely brilliant, genius even!
>BUT FUCK ZINNIA, BOOOOOO

Some of you are retarded yourselves.

>>29333226
Because they repent for their actions

>>29333150
I'm not going to be one of those faggots who says, "SHE PROBABLY STINKS, LOL" and what not, because that's probably not true and if it is, then it's true for a lot more characters than her.

But she's not that hot.
And crazy girls aren't especially attractive.

>>29333226
I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that Archie and Maxie had retarded plans. No need to be upset about your waifu

>>29333226
Archie and Maxie both freak the fuck out when shit goes awry and acknowledge that they were wrong/they went too far.

>>29333226
Hey that's not really their fault

Zinnia had them do it! While they still atone for what they did

>>29333249
And Giovanni doesn't repent his actions, half the characters don't repent their actions and they're still loved.
>>29333267
Just pointing out hypocrisy and stupidity. No need to take it personally.

>>29333290
But Zinnia is portrayed as the good guy who fuck everything up

>>29333305
Yeah, its called a flaw for an anti-hero. You know those things actual written characters have?

>>29333290
Name one redeeming quality about Zinnia if you are going to defend her that much (hard mode: no mentioning theme music or cute grill design. Just defend her plan/character)

>>29333226
>Archie and Maxie
>Everyone thinks their plan is retarded
>They realize that their plan is retarded
>They apologize for their retarded plan and start working towards making the world a better place for realsies this time to make up for their crimes

Meanwhile Zinnia thinks she's the best ever that only her plan is feasible calls everyone an idiot for daring to come up with alternatives and when she's proven 100% wrong she doesn't apologize for anything.

>>29333344
But she doesn't become good at all

She's just an Edgy OC who knows about everything while calling everyone else idiots. She does more evil actions than the actual evil people

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How old is she supposed to be anyway? Is she like 14 with a super hairy pussy or is she around 20 with a super hairy pussy?

I like her because she has mental problems and is probably crazy in bed. Remember her crazy gore anime eyes with really small pupils when Rayquaza's summoning failed or whatever? She looked like she had just been decapitated or something!

>>29333355
I'm not going to defend her character, but to actually see more characters with flaws who aren't just perfect and can do no wrong characters is actually nice in Pokemon.
>>29333369
You do know what an anti-hero is right? Its someone who does bad things for the sake of good, whether they actually accomplish said good things or not is irrelevant. Her intentions were good.

Also, edgy has clearly lost what it originally meant when you're using it in that fashion as she's not edgy in any way. Also yes, she's an OC, like everyone in Pokemon, they're all original characters.

>>29333344
Now see, everything mentioned here >>29333360
would be okay, if the story still didn't try to present her as someone we should tolerate or even enjoy being around. They try to present her as if she's a good person or in the right when she's done exceedingly horrible things.

>>29333418
>I'm not going to defend her
Stopped reading there. Clearly you're baiting

>>29333418
What isn't edgy about her? She claims to know about the multiverse

Uses all dragons

Implied to honor a dead person

Cryptic backstory

Too cool to say sorry

Literally Beats people up in Pokemon

>>29333418
>I'm not going to defend her character, but to actually see more characters with flaws who aren't just perfect and can do no wrong characters is actually nice in Pokemon.

Ironically, you've just described Zinnia. You know, if you're baiting right now, you're pretty good.

>>29333360
>>29333430
And? Big deal, she doesn't apologize and thinks everyone else is retarded despite her retarded plans.

Lets just all hold hands and be friends in the end, because yay Pokaymanz! Woo the power of friendship and being nice. Fucking dumb, let her continue to be flawed, it adds character, instead of everyone just magically being turned through the shounen power of friendship and love.

>>29333455
Silver beat YOU up in Pokemon.
Pokemon beat EACH other up. Lance HYPER BEAMED someone, come on nigga.

Also nice dubs.

>>29333476
>I'm not going to defend her
>Keeps defending her
Here's your (you)

>>29333476
>Everyone being turned through the shonen power of friendship and love.
1) Like who?
2) Pokemon is a Shonen
3) No one is upset that Zinnia is a flawed character, but like with any character, you can't just hold it against people for not liking her.

>>29333477
He didn't actually hurt people though

Zinnia is strongly implied to have hurt your rival while forcefully stealing a keystone from them. Later you return it

Silver tries to return his starter too. He changes

Good or bad, I always like it when Game Freak tries to make a character an actual character.

>>29333477
>Zinnia hurts your best friend/neighbor
Vs
>Bad TR guy

>>29333444
Clearly I'm not.
>>29333455
No, being edgy is trying to force being cool. None of which Zinnia does. Now in this context, GameFreak is the edgy one as they're the ones trying to make Zinnia look cool and failing. She herself doesn't actually try to act cool or force it.
>>29333461
Except Zinnia does plenty wrong, just because she herself doesn't believe it doesn't mean she can't do no wrong. Meanwhile you have tons of other characters that just skip along the Pokeverse without a care in the world who are the most pure individuals to ever grace the land.

Also Blue does the same shit.

>constantly shit talks you and acts like he's better
>calls you a loser
>still manages to become Champion before you despite getting his ass kicked constantly
>doesn't apologize for being a dick at all

But we all love Gen 1 Blue amirite?

You're all idiots who just hate a character because it actually gives her flaws, yet ignoring all the other barely handful of characters that act the same way.

>>29333562
>implying all TR people are bad

One of them started a family and was a good person. Lance didn't have to actually hyper beam the fucker directly.

>>29333567
But he isn't a good guy

He doesn't steal from people

He doesn't break into their houses

>>29333567
>edgy is trying to force being cool
That's not what edgy is. Maybe now that it's such an overused buzzword, I see why you'd think that

>>29333567
I don't remember the time Blue caused 2 world-threatening crisis to stroke his ego when he called you a poo poo head.

fap material
I didn't play ORAS so I don't have to worry about petty things like her personality

>>29333605
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time

>>29333627
Not him, but he's right on what that means. The word has lost all meaning thanks to /v/ and /a/, much like every other meme word they use.

>>29333671
That isn't the argument here.

For instance, lets say a Team Rocket member steals a loaf of bread for his starving child?

Would you consider him a bad character then? Or would you continue to regurgitate dumbass shit that your DARE officer said about how all criminals are evil and terrible people who are going to hell regardless of the actual reasons behind what they did?

I want to make her a mother

>>29333372
>implying Zinnia doesn't have a badly shaven pussy
Zinnia's armpit and pubic stubble! Lewd!

>>29333713
Team rocket is literally a gang that you volunteer for

So from what I've gathered is that people don't like Zinnia because she doesn't say sorry over her stupidity?

Because it seems like that is the only reason I'm seeing in this thread.

She's hot and her encounter and battle themes are genuinely good. Like her for any other reason and you're wrong.

>>29333674
Actually edgy in that sense meant bold and unconventional before we threw it into "kid wearing black to be cool"

>>29333776
>Because it seems like that is the only reason I'm seeing in this thread.
Then you must not be very good at reading.

>>29333562
I'm not saying Zinnia wasn't an asshole, that shit made me mad too. I'm just saying calling her edgy for doing it and making it out like physical violence is strange in Pokemon is stupid. Silver smacked us around. Lance hurt a TR member.

>>29333776
It's that she's portrayed as the good guy, when she does the worst stuff in the series

And then fucks right off.

Imagine if N said, see ya after Ghetsis and that's it

>>29333768
The scenario can still apply to anybody. What if May punched you in the face and stole your bread because it was her only option to free her starving Pokemon? What if Silver stole a Pokemon just to give it to some sick and dying kid in his last moments?

Plenty of scenarios can be made that start with an 'evil' action, but have entirely good intentions. It does not make that individual evil in any way whatsoever, and there are certain circumstances such as these that lenience should be applied when dealing with said crime.

Besides, crimes are a human concept anyways. I mean Gorilas, Giraffes, Dogs, etc. don't punish each other for getting into fights or stealing things from others.

>>29333835
N kind of does do that to be fair.

Besides, Cyrus blew up an entire lake and killed tons of Magikarp and likely other Pokemon, Lysandre blew up an entire town, and AZ murdered tons of people.

I'd say Zinnia is pretty far down the list when it comes to actual people in the Pokemon world in terms of worst stuff they do in the series. Besides, let her be portrayed as the good guys. Pokemon has too much black/white characters as is, its better to see some more morally gray characters and different things around in Pokemon.

>>29333835
And not to mention being a "secret Mary sue that was behind everything and knows all"

>>29333567
She's not presented correctly though. In spite of all her flaws, she's presented as though she doesn't have them and that she's just another one of our crazy cooky pals. Nobody dislikes her because she's flawed. People love flawed characters.The games never tried to pass the people you're talking about off as something they weren't.

Blue might not have been the nicest guy around but 1) He was a kid and 2) He didn't do nearly as much heinous shit as Zinnia.

Yes, Blue was a snot-nosed little shit, but he was never portrayed as if he was in the right. His own grandfather had issues with his behavior and he grew out of them into a fine adolescent 3 years following. It's a retarded comparison.

Barry had flaws that he himself acknowledged and he strove to outgrow them.

Silver had flaws too and his attitude was explicitly noted to be a bad thing. It was also never presented as a good thing; him being against Team Rocket was one of, if not his only, redeeming quality in the beginning of the game.

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>>29333134
What the fuck

>>29333567
Blue, Silver, Cyrus, Bianca, Cheren, and N are all what you could call flawed characters. I'm sure there's more I've glossed over. Nobody has a problem with any of the above six though and that should say something about Zinnia.

If she's exactly like these other six (in the sense that she's a character with "flaws") but is poorly received in spite of that, something is WRONG with her EXECUTION dumbass.

>>29333933
>Pokemon has too much black/white characters as is, its better to see some more morally gray characters and different things around in Pokemon.
Except she's not portrayed as gray at all. The game basically screams ZINNIA WAS A GOOD GIRL SHE DINDU NUFFIN WRONG.

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>>29333567
Anon, you're comparing Zinnia, who threatened the lives of EVERYONE to Blue, who just acted like a prick to you. He's a rival, and he was presented as one. Zinnia, on the other hand, was presented as a heroic girl trying to save the world, yet would have failed to do so, if you had not been present with the meteorite in your bag. So she would've effectively killed many, many people, just for the sake of protecting a universe nobody was sure existed. She steals, instead of ASKING people for their mega pins, who probably would've just given them to her, if they knew she was with you. She rushes in, destroys the ONLY other way for the meteor to be destroyed, spews out her 'b-but the other universe gais, lol no imagination' and leaves. You have to follow her, and watch her plan fail.

>>29333933
>I'd say Zinnia is pretty far down the list when it comes to actual people in the Pokemon world in terms of worst stuff they do in the series. Besides, let her be portrayed as the good guys. Pokemon has too much black/white characters as is, its better to see some more morally gray characters and different things around in Pokemon.

She is literally the reason the entire world was almost burnt to a crisp/submerged.

>>29333933
>I'd say Zinnia is pretty far down the list when it comes to actual people in the Pokemon world in terms of worst stuff they do in the series.
Zinnia actions nearly destroyed the world, twice.

Only Cyrus tops her because he wanted to erase the ENTIRE universe.

>>29333933
But Cyrus and Lysandre are portrayed

As ASSHOLES. And AZ was explicitly very wrong, as evidenced by his continued suffering.

Also
>Citing the Lake thing.
>Not citing the fact he had Mesprit, Azelf and Uxie subdued and then forced to endure probably painful meddling with their bodies to make the red chain.
>Not citing the fact he tried to destroy the fucking universe.

Also.

>Zinnia is pretty far down the list.
No, she's not. By fucking around with Team Magma/Aqua she lead to the reawakening of Groudon and Kyogre and she fully intended for that to happen so that Rayquaza might come along and stop them. He didn't. She's a very big part of the reason the world was almost destroyed.

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>actually giving a shit about all the worthless faggots whose lives were threatened by Zinnia
>not ironically liking mary sues
>not posting Zinnia lewds
What the fuck is wrong this this board?

N more annoying and a bigger Mary Sue than Zinnia yet nobody hates him because sexism gives awful male characters a pass.

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I wonder why the MC isn't legally required to PUT DOWN Kyogre and Groduon after catching them.

I mean, why don't they just kill those monsters? They are literally EVIL and threaten to destroy the world every time they wake up.

>>29334164
Even N's own wet nurses thought he was dangerous and that what he was doing was extreme. So, no, he doesn't get a "pass" because he wasn't portrayed as an infallible force of good who can do no wrong. There was a lot of fucking ambiguity permeating the game.

>>29334204
I mean by the fandom, idiot.

>>29334195
>Why don't they just kill those monsters.
They probably can't.

>They are literally evil.
They're not, they just don't like each other and by exerting the full extent of their power when they fight, the world is left to suffer the collateral damage. The games honestly make much more sense in the definitive Emerald version.

They're not actively trying to kill things in any version, but by exerting their power they wind up doing that.

>>29334216
You're not following the thread.
The core issue is presentation. N is enjoyed more than Zinnia because he's not presented as if he's done nothing wrong and his actions are excusable. Zinnia is.

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I never realized before but she kinda looks like the new Tales of Edgefu.

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>>29334141
This. The original Hoenn games didn't have much characterization, but ORAS made everything feel like a joke. Almost every male character was a hilarious homosexual stereotype.

Do you really HATE Zinnia for nearly destroying the world? Everyone in that world is either a joke character, a living tutorial or someone that only exists to boost the MC's ego like all recent rivals.

Only May is worth saving, but it would be pretty hot if Groudon or Kyogre destroyed the world and May drowned or was forced to live in a world without water where people have to kill each other for survival and girls are constantly raped by the strongest badasses in the region.

>>29334017
No, she screams that she's good. That does not make her actually good. She is still written as a gray character due to her actions.
>>29334075
The meteor wouldn't have killed everyone, it was the Draconids assumption that it would, because their timeline/universe is concurrent with the other, where the meteor hasn't landed yet either.

The meteor as we saw in RSE just caused a tiny bit of damage on a tiny island.
>>29334112
See above. Also Lysandre straight up gets people killed, as well as wanting to erase the world, much like Archie/Maxie as well. I will grant they at least do apologize. AZ though is by far the worst character in the series because he causes the most problems.
>>29334126
Yes Cyrus did plenty more wrong as well.

And yes, Zinnia believes herself to be a good guy. She herself believes that. Hitler also believed himself to be a good guy, that doesn't make it true. She isn't a good guy in any way. She is very much like all the other characters that do bad stuff. The difference here is that she wants to do good in the end, but goes about it in very dumb ways. In the end she still isn't a good guy, she's a bad guy. Regardless of what the character themselves think, it doesn't stop what is seen.

So yes, she is far down the list when it comes to people who have caused problems in the Pokemon universe.

Can someone post when she gets fugged?

>>29334348
I hate Zinnia for assaulting May

>>29334204
Bullshit N doesn't get a pass, the fanbase fucking loves him.
>>29334264
N himself believes his actions are excusable, much like Zinnia.

They are the same character in the end, with vastly different sides of the fanbase. There is a reason people call Zinnia "a failed N" constantly.

>>29334353
It's not that Zinnia beloved to be the good guy

THE GAME SET HER UP AS THE GOOD GUY

>>29334348
I don't hate her, I just don't like her.
Mostly for assaulting May.

>>29334357
You do know she lives right and the fact that you always ask for it every thread shows that you're just as big of a sociopath as her.
>>29334371
She assaulted Brendan and nobody gives a fuck about Brendan.

>>29334353
I'm not talking about the meteor. I mean the fact that she admits she manipulated Team Magma/Aqua into awakening Groudon/Kyogre.

>>29334371
>>29334402
>not wanting Zinnia to anally torture May for an audience

>>29334396
No it didn't. She tried to set herself up as the good guy. If you want to consider that that makes her a good guy, then whatever, but it doesn't.

There are plenty of games where a character believes themselves to be a good guy and by your logic "the game set them up for it", but it doesn't mean they are good guys. Its basic comprehension and story-telling, and even a thing you see in real life constantly.

>>29334393
No he fucking doesn't. He literally tells you he's wrong

And that he needs to figure out what is true

>>29334353
>And yes, Zinnia believes herself to be a good guy. She herself believes that. Hitler also believed himself to be a good guy, that doesn't make it true. She isn't a good guy in any way. She is very much like all the other characters that do bad stuff. The difference here is that she wants to do good in the end, but goes about it in very dumb ways.

Not really. Even if she was like them, that pretty much describes every Antagonist bar Giovanni and Ghetsis. That describes Archie, Maxie, Cyrus, N and Lysandre to a fucking T.

The difference between her and the other antagonists is that she's not at all treated like one by the people around her and that's bad.

>>29334426
If I say yes will you post it?

>>29334426
>he played as the girl

>>29334468
What part of the game doesn't try to write her as a good guy?

>>29334442
Yes, that was a stupid plan that she had. But its not any different than Archie/Maxie having done it on their own in RSE. The difference here is that they used Zinnia as the scapegoat to take the heat off Archie/Maxie and not make it their idea. Yes, they makes her a bit of a speshul snowflaek, but all 3 of those characters had the same actions throughout the series . Its a dumb idea, I won't argue that either way. But as I said, the timeline/universe is concurrent, they don't actually know what happens in the RSE universe, they can only assume based on given knowledge that is happening concurrently. With Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza/Deoxys or with whoever.

>>29334393
N believes that his actions were wrong but his beliefs were valid. He's grounded in rationality and logical conclusions and he's executed very well.

Zinnia is not. Her actions are outrageous. I cannot recall her ever expressing remorse over them. No on ever really calls her out on the things she's done either. Like assaulting your friends, stealing their shit (for Wally and May, that was like, a symbol of their fucking growth) or admitting to manipulating the two teams into awakening Groudon and Kyogre and thereby, almost causing the end of society as we know it and many, many deaths.

>>29334426
Leave that anon alone, that scene was hilarious.

>>29334480
>>29334522
No part of the game portrays her that way. Everyone is constantly in her way or acting like she's an idiot beyond the Team Villains/Draconids. Nobody believes in her or her plan at all. Nobody believes her to be a good guy.

Its like you guys speedran the game or like I'm on /a/ watching people speedread through manga.

The most major thing that portrays her as the Good Guy, is her herself.

Honestly what do you guys even want out of Zinnia? For her have just been another cookie cutter Team Villain or just female N?

>>29334542
Hey.
I'm just fucking saying. She's partly responsible for almost destroying the world. That means she's the second most extreme antagonist we have.

>>29334621
>Honestly what do you guys even want out of Zinnia.
For her to get fucking wrecked.

>>29334621
Execpt the parts that plays sad music for her "tough" choice

I hope Zinnia sticks around for the entire rest of the series because of how bad a virtual character who isn't even real triggers you fags. In fact, I hope they force you to play as her going forward and just being a dick to everybody.

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>Zinnia calls you adorable when you sleep regardless of who you play as
I actually want to fuck her now.

>>29334646
What a brilliant answer. I'm so glad you're not in charge of the games.

>>29333029
>People like things that he doesn't.
>He asks them to explain some things they like about her and why.
>This is struggling with the concept.
>This isn't embracing it.

>>29334684
I am too. I'd be embarrassed.

>>29334684
It's what she deserves

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>>29334713
>being embarrassed writing a multi-billionaire dollar franchise
>>29334719
>still doesn't offer an alternative to make people like Zinnia

There's nothing worse than a waifufag who doesn't accept her waifu for who she is but the imaginary perfect waifu has in his mind.

>>29334777
I think everyone in here accepts that Zinnia is a fucking idiot. Its just people here are so mind blown by a character that doesn't repent or acts differently than the normal that its hurting their brains. Like they've never read a book or despise any form of change whatsoever.

Then again its Pokemon where any little difference between the games people blow their goddamn lids.

>>29334822
>Its just people here are so mind blown by a character that doesn't repent or acts differently than the normal that its hurting their brains.
I'm not sure if you are retarded, baiting or both. I honestly have no idea how you can keep missing the point that's been hammered so hard so many times in this very thread this hard.

>>29334822
Ghetsis and Cyrus don't repent

They're supposed to be fucking evil. Zinnia isnt

STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>29334348
>Almost every
Excluding Wallace who was the second one?

I'm pretty sure it's because people want to fuck her because of her "crazy personality ". I feel like she'd annoying as hell in bed and probably say some stupid shit like she does in ORAS

>>29334853
Nah, its been pretty clear from this thread that what I just said is true.
>>29334871
I'm not gonna repent for calling you a faggot, I'm a still good guy though. Stay salty.

>>29334822
I dislike her because stupidity offends me. Yes, I'm aware it begs the question "why are you on fucking /vp/"? I honestly don't know.

Anyway, stupidity offends me. I don't give a fuck about anything else. The fact that she's such an abominable idiot alone makes my stomach turn and I felt bad for the characters in the room that had to be around her. So I'd argue that if anything, Zinnia is a product of good writing and so is OR/AS.

Because she certainly made me feel immersed

In my fucking disgust.

>>29330282
that feral child pose she does. She's a grown woman with a dead daughter who was raised in a clan of dragon trainers, not by wolves. She's also too well spoken to be "feral". It just creates a mesh that doesn't fit well.

>>29334932
Damn son, if stupidity offends you that much, best never go outside again. Gotta calm that edge down.

>>29334949
Aster isn't her daughter.

>>29334954
>That's edgy.
That's the norm, nobody likes idiots.
>Best never go outside again.
I don't want to end up like you.

>>29334949
GF said Aster wasn't her daughter.

>>29334949
I don't think a 17 year old is a grown woman, its also not her daughter.
>>29334977
Everyone loves idiots because everyone is an idiot, that includes you kiddo.

>>29334917
This is what Zinnia fags believes qualifies for a good person

Nidoking are evil because they eat other Pokemon and take lives and don't say sorry!

>>29335005
Now THAT'S what I call edgy.

>>29335074
>Trivializing

>>29335152
You know it sweet baby boy.

>>29335161
>Still liking Nidoking

>>29335189
>STILL LIKING POKEMON

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You can have sex with Zinnia, but she is guaranteed to get pregnant from the act even if you use a condom (shes crazy af and will poke holes in it) and will demand that you take responsibility.

She's down for pretty much anything but you'll have to put up with her shit for the rest of your life.

Would you?

>>29335220
>STILL LIKING ANYTHING

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Great. Another Zinnia hate thread.

From the looks of things, it at least started out okay, but then took a dive into the warzone I knew it would be.

Wonder if Reddit would handle a Zinnia topic better.

>>29335253
Yeah it went to shit.

>>29335227
She doesn't have to poke a hole in the condom I just won't wear one.

Yes, she's cute so I wouldn't mind. I attract crazy fuckers anyways. Last ex was an even worse psycho and I still had fun.

>>29335227
Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrobaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaably.

>>29334898
Steven was gay as fuck and kept stalking the MC.

Wally was just weak and pathetic in the original games, but his facial expressions in ORAS made him look really gay.

Norman and Wally's father become buttbuddies. There are at least two scenes that imply this, probably a third too.

And probably a couple more I'm forgetting.

>>29334480
>The difference between her and the other antagonists is that she's not at all treated like one by the people around her and that's bad.
But she is? The Scientists think she's a fucking retard, Steven won't even refer to her by name, and the way she intimidated that Secretary is pretty much treated as assault.
She's treated as an antagonist until you finally confront her in Sky Pillar, where she's revealed to be just misguided.

>muh no repenting
She gave all they key stones back. Are you butthurt that she didn't suck your dick afterwards?

>>29334949
>grown woman
>daughter
You just ruined Zinnia for me, you fucking asshole.

Daily reminder that based Fug BTFO Zinnia.

>>29335389
dumb pedo

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>>29335448
Forgot pic.

>>29335375
Whoa now, stop trying to be logical, we don't accept that around these parts.
>>29335389
Tons of people have already said that Aster isn't her daughter and that she isn't technically grown.

>>29335478
zero fugs given

>>29335478
Fucking finally. Never fails to make me laugh.

>>29335519
Still alive bruh. Not even Fug can kill her.

>>29335592
An effort was made.

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>>29334348
>it would be pretty hot if Groudon or Kyogre destroyed the world and May drowned
How the fuck is that hot? Wouldn't she just die and that's it?

I guess the idea of super cute May turning into a bloated, disgusting, rotten corpse is kind of hot. She is so cute, but she can turn into THAT. In fact, she did! Imagine Brendan surviving the flood in some really tall mountain and discovering what happened to May. He would feel very sad, but at the same time he would get an erection thinking about the pitiful, final moments of the 10/10 cuteslut that friendzoned him! He would imagine May crying as she drowns and nobody is there to save her, and masturbate to the fact that May's perfect body has been completely humiliated and degraded, turned into a disgusting mess.

Is that what you are getting at? What a sicko.

>>29335592
And crippled forever.

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>>29335478

>>29335666
hot

>>29335633
He's not lying to you actually. She's still alive in Special, she's just in a wheelchair healing up in the meantime.

>>29335666
I like the way you think Satan

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>>29335666
You, you are the same anon that wanted to turn White into zombie, but pic related is too much for you?

>>29335678
Its a manga, she'll show up again with working legs in the future and be just fine.

You know how this shit works.

>>29335717
>Fugged so hard bitch in a wheel chair.

I'll take what I can get.

>>29335753
It'll be years until then so I'm good for now.

>>29335800
Don't worry, she'll probably be in SM and make an appearance in the SM Special.
>>29335787
You should probably see a therapist.

>>29335839
>Not wanting to fuck Zinnia on her unfeeling pussy while she lays there like a dead fish unable to orgasm because she can't feel anything down there while that very same thought makes you trust even harder and harder until you cream her harder than you have ever before with your cum mixing inside her forever as a reminder of how her pussy is now nothing but a meaty onahole for your cock

>>29335666
Are you the same anon that made a similar post in /tv/ about Leslie from Bridge to Terabithia?

I admire your dedication, Satan.

>>29335880
Sex is better when the girl is into it, not that you'd know though.

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>>29334348
>mfw no flooded/dried up world RSE hack
Why live?

>>29335839
She deserved it though.

>>29335914
>having sex with 3D women
Disgusting. No, seriously.

People like Zinnia? Since when? All I see is hate directed towards her.

The Japs don't like her either, just go read the 2+ year running hate thread they have for her on 2ch, it's hilarious.

>>29335914
Some people are into making the other person miserable in the middle of sexual acts, you know? Not only your shallow definition of sexual pleasure feels good senpai. There's more to the world than sex with lights off while holding hands for the purpose of procreation during marriage night.

>>29334348
>was forced to live in a world without water
Couldn't water type Pokemon produce, well, water?

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>>29335914

I have a fetish for crippled girls since I watched this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D_vyMDKFjs

The girl is HELLA cute.

>>29335971
>implying consensual sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation while you lightly kiss her, telling you love her, and stroking her hair and cheek isn't the most degenerate form of sex imaginable

Get your vanilla shit out of here.

>>29335979
Why was Groudon such a big deal in the games, then? Would water pokemon die or do people just not want to drink out of a Squirtle's mouth?

I think I liked her because I hated pretty much everything else about ORAS. The only thing I didn't like was how rushed her part of the story was, they should have worked her into the rest of the game better so it wasn't such a jarring switch at the end.

>>29336061
Try living on a +100C grades environment and see how much on a good time you'll have.

>>29335979
I don't think that shit is clean. But I guess you could boil it maybe?

>>29336061
Probably.

>>29336061
Because he knows Drought.

>>29336061
Water Pokemon would probably die. Most of them seem like they couldn't really get by without regularly moisterizing, which they'd be unable to do. They'd become dehydrated and what not.

>>29336106
>living in an apocalyptic Hoenn with super cute sweaty May

>>29336168
You'd get Sapphire instead with her running around like a wild monkey.

>>29334348
>>29335666
Mindblowing anon is the best thing to ever happen to this board. I missed you, dude. I still remember all your posts in warosu /jp/.

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May a literal cute! A LITERAL CUTE!

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>>29336339
Delicious.

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>>29337161
>May's almost odorless kid-armpits

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>>29337161
It's kind of mindblowing how May has muscles that allow her to raise her arms like that.

She's so cute, but she's an ugly mess of muscles and bone under that pretty skin. Gross! Embarrassing! Lewd!

>>29335227
As someone who has her as my waifu, absolutely.

>>29338471
Can you please stop ruining my pokewaifus? I don't want to imagine May as a rotting corpse or taking a shit, thank you.

>>29338174
May is a tween.

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>>29335666
>you will never attend May's funeral
Why live?

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>>29334348
>every male character was a hilarious homosexual stereotype.
>no juan

>>29339197
>not wanting to see your waifu in every possible situation, with every possible facial expression
>not wanting to see May in her worst moments
She's no waifu of yours.

>>29340966
What would they even talk about in May's funeral? She was a shitty trainer that gave up halfway through with a NFE starter.

May was such a loser! And now that she's a disgusting corpse she's even more of a loser!

>>29338174
>people actually believe this

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When did this become a May humiliation thread? You guys even killed her! What the fuck?

>>29335666
Holy fuck. Good job scaring the Go normies away, bro.