How is Laser Focus + Sniper going to be viable if Robinhoot has

It'll get something better than Sniper as its HA, I'm sure.

Something new and great or something old and broken like Gale Wings.

>>29288393
It's this gen's Greninja/popular starter, you know they will give it some HA that will make it broken even with a Signature move like that.

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>>29288393
>such an amazingly designed starter
Almost had me until this part

>>29288393
Gen VI starters had brand new abilities, I'm guessing the same will happen

>>29288489
It's not though. Luchashitten is, which is why it's the one with Ash.

>>29288393
If Laser Focus makes it that it doesn't miss either, and it can somehow learn Stone Edge and have decent Speed, it can be a good mon.

If only it was Focus Energy instead it could be a shitty Kingdra.

>>29288393
We don't even know if Laser Focus belongs to it. Laser doesn't seem like the appropriate flavor for a plant archer. It may get it, but unlike the Kalos starters' signature moves it doesn't seem like it matches the owl.

They could give it an ability where all of its hits are critical because of how precise it is.

>>29288393
I feel like Laser Focus should have just been Focus Energy, but maybe a higher chance. Having ONE guarantted crit that takes two turns to set up? Literally always better off just attacking twice unless they have Def. boosts.

>>29288524
>super sniper
>it's just sniper buff x 1.2

>>29288601
you're joking yeah?

>>29288601
So basically huge power meets unaware? Damn son.

>>29288393
>Grass-flying with Gale Wings

>>29288653
>joking
>when Protean was given to a starter last gen

>>29288601
>throat chop, aurora veil, laser focus
>totally not related to the wrestler, siren, and archer

>>29288558
Luchalitten is too controversial. GF only gives special treatment to the starters that are almost universally liked.

maybe /flying is changed to something else

lol

>>29288682
Gale wings forces a switch giving it time to laser focus. Works out.

Bonus points if it's a special attacker with hurricane and laser focus also increases accuracy

>>29288729
Greninja was the shilled one AND water type (Masuda's favorite). It was the ultimate shillmon.

>>29288441
>>29288682
Gale Wings will be useless on this guy. Because of two things
1: he's no BB, I bet he won't even learn a good flying type move
2: Psychic Field, Princess whatnot and whatever the fishe has, GF is all about to kill priority this gen

>>29288738
It has to be officially revealed before they start caring.

>>29288758
>implying it isn't ghost because owls are spooky

>>29288775
What if Hurricane

>>29288775
>they won't give it BB
Blaziken says hi.

And that I brought that up, Empoleon should get Air Slash and BB.

>>29288736
Don't put words in my mouth about the other two.

I'm focusing on Laser Focus. Bringing up a laser at all when there's nothing technical to the owl's design comes across as inappropriate especially since it's specifically an archer.

>>29288393
Why do people suddenly believe it'll be Grass/Steel? Because I would seriously love this.

>>29288787
You'd have to be retarded to think GF hasn't been paying attention to the feedback from the leaks.

>it's an archer so Special attacks for that range
>but rowlets description talked about its powerful kicks
Is it gonna be mixed?

>>29288489
Greninja is STILL this gen's popular starter.

>>29288884
>Mixed attacker
>from what we know, it has the highest HP of the starters

I fear for this thing.

>>29288773
And you could very well be walking into that again this generation. The owl is the cool one of the bunch while the others are a brawler and a feminine form. It lines up.

>>29288873
The feedback from the actual release of the games matters more. Most of the people who know these things exist are just older players that looked at spoilers online, what about the main demographic?

>>29288884
I hope he's a mixed sweeper like Infernape.

>>29288558
We know he's getting Rowlet as well. If anything Litten is the starter that isn't going to evolve ever and be the butt end of a joke every 3 minutes. See also Piplup, Oshawott, Chespin.

>>29288833
you are aware laser focus is a term, and doesn't literally mean a focus that uses a laser, right?

>>29288833
I think you're thinking too hard about this, anon. Laser Focus is an apt way to imply precision with a ranged weapon. It doesn't need to have a gun for us to understand what that means.

>>29288833
I bet laser focus is called "take aim" or something generic in Japanese, like how surprise attack became sucker punch which didn't fit with the countless armless mons that get it.

>>29288918
Yeah that's really smart considering he has to waste one turn to set up laser focus.

Seriously anon stop

>>29288393
Here are some ways I think Laser Focus could be good:
- All hits do critical damage/1.5x
or
-2 turn moves become 1 turn
or
-Hits behind sub/goes around protect/whatever

>>29288873
You'd have to be retarded to think they'd base game balance and the meta on the whims of manchildren. They designed the moves and abilties for these mons way before the leaks.

>>29288933
>>29288934
Never heard of it used outside of describing a machine's capabilities.

>>29288960
I could buy that it's a localization thing.

>>29288902
High HP fits Rowlet because round mons typically are HP sponges, but it doesn't fit Robinhoot at all. Similarly Litten just screams high speed, while Luchalitten looks slower.

My theory is that this generation were gonna see a stat shuffle upon evolution, with the lore about the middle stages going through an awkward and turbulent "puberty".

>>29289006
Yeah, that's why Power Up Punch is gone and Mega Kanga is ding dong bannu'd from VGC, right?

>>29288773
>starter
>water
>marketable
>superior special nippon warrior

A perfect storm.

I haven't bothered doing the math but is there even a point in wasting a turn so that next turn it'll be a crit?
I can understand if it a move that also did damage but I dunno

>>29288962
We don't even know for sure if Laser Focus is his? And even then Pokémon's signature moves aren't always best for them. i.e. Parting Shot for Pangoro.

>>29288972
Why not all 3? With its undoubtably shit stats, this could sve it

>>29289101
No. It's not worth the loss of coverage. Especially when your STAB is as weak as grass/flying.

Good against mons that buffed their defenses

>>29289074
They had two years to discover how stupid that shit was and they only cares because it was breaking the mess that is VGC since they are pushing it so hard. You're missing the point regardless which is that they pick which mons they're gonna market with much more proven techniques than shitposter opinions and they decide and cement these decisions and strategies way before the public sees this shit.

>>29289101
If the opponent has buffed its defenses like a motherfucker.

>>29289074
That was because they spent two years watching Mega Milf be a requirement of every VGC team

>>29289062
Then I can understand your confusion. >>29288960 is most likely right, and its name was a casualty of localisation.

Laser sights are used to improve accuracy with long-ranged weapons. The more you know.

>>29289155
It'd be good for a one time nuke with a Z-move, but that's assuming you'd be willing to sacrifice your Focus Sash for it, which is a terrible idea considering the typing.

>>29289101
Crits pierce defense boosts.
Too situational for use outside of maybe league format.

>>29289101
Not since crits got nerfed.

Imagine if crits didn't get nerfed. If this was the old crit system, Laser Focus + HA Sniper would deal 3x damage in two turns while ignoring opponents buffs and potential Intimidates. That would be usable enough for a gimmick move.

Just because it gets Laser Focus doesn't mean it can't get Focus Energy.

Robinhoot @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Sniper
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Focus Energy
- Leaf Blade
- Acrobatics
- Substitute/Natural Gift

This set seems pretty okay, and decently meme too. Assuming it won't get Brave Bird this seems like one of the best ways to make use of Sniper + Acrobatics, unless you want to use a Lansat Berry instead. Of course this is all speculation though.

>>29288884
Ranged doesn't necessarily mean Special attack. This thing shoots literal, physical arrows. Probably gonna be physical attacker.

>>29289524
A grass water shuriken would be neat. Every hit would be a crit after laser focus and it would have priority.

>>29288834
Because Grass/Steel balances better with the other starters and Grass/Flying is a terrible, terrible typing.

>>29289580
Knowing GF, they might actually be crazy enough to do this.

>>29289101
If you predict a switch it's cool.

Like it'd let you one shot a check that would otherwise take a hit and kill you the next turn.

Only with Sniper though, Crits are too weak currently without it.

>>29289155
Grass/flying is great coverage what are you on? Only like 35 current Pokémon resist the combo and if it gets fighting, rock, or a ground move that's good coverage better than any grass starter other than maybe Torterra.

>>29289949
Speaking of that, it seems weird that Torterra has great coverage unlike most of the grass starters, but only Meganium is worse than it.

>>29288609
Sniper makes critical hits do x2.25 damage, so a Laser Focus + Damaging move will always be better than simply attacking twice. That's of course assuming neither of the two consecutive attacks crit.

I just hope it gets two moves like how greninja got shuriken and mat block. I'm hoping it gets a actual useful signature move.

>>29289949
>fighting
Probably getting Jump Kick because the whole "attack with powerful kicks" description on Rowlet.

>>29288516
Whats wrong with it?

>>29290095
>one of the best designed starters
>good coverage
>has all the moves it needs
>shit stats, bottom of NU

Being best turtle is suffering

>>29288393
Tyranitar has a shit type combination being weak to some of the most common offensive types but because of its stats and ability, it strives. If this Pokémon has good stats and ability, then it can strive too. Grass isn't that bad of a stab type coverage option, it's only bad if he doesn't get a diverse move pool

>>29290095
This is because he has a good secondary type, Chesnaught has an amazing move pool too. Only pure grass and grass/poison usually have terrible movepools because both types are hated by GF.

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>>29288558
Rowlet is literally right next to Ash in the poster, alongside Rotom.

>>29290204
That's why I had fighting first, I expect it to get a variety of kicking moves and if it does Grass/flying/fighting is only resisted by Flying/electric and steel/ghost I believe.

>>29290317
Honestly, they showed too much favoritism to Chesnaught. They should have cut its movepool down significantly and distributed more moves to the other grass starters instead.

>>29290193
But it already gets two moves. Leafage and Laser Focus.

WHY ROTOM AND LAPRAS NOT PART OF ALOLA DEX WHAT FUCK

>>29290386
I will literally kek if it's the second grass/fighting starter in a row. The shitstorm will be glorious.

>>29290394
It wouldn't really help them that much. Chesnaught mostly has a physical movepool. Unless you want to meme things up with Belly Drum Sceptile I guess.

>>29290426
>leafage
>not just a grass ember

>>29290262
I wish it got filter or something so it could be a bit tankier, one of my favorites as well. Hopefully Turtonator is good

>>29290317
It's almost like Roserade and Sceptile are abnormality in this entire scene (both have surprisingly good movepools, Spectile only got fucked because they decided to make its Mega Special instead of Physical or at least mixed).

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>>29290386
Correct. If this thing gets Jump Kick then it can hit literally almost all type combinations for neutral damage and a good chunk for SE.

>>29290467
I could live with another Grass/Fighting starter if it meant not becoming a fucking Grass/Flying.

>>29289481
Crit-based move sets might lose all their viability if they're only 1.5x. Might as well just use Choice or LO

>yfw grass/fighting with technician is a HA

>>29290613
Stop it I can only get so erect.

They'll probably give it a broken ability to go along with Laser Focus. Like boosting a stat every time it lands a crit

>>29290651
>boosts accuracy every time you land a crit

>post yfw Robinhoot is Grass/Psychic

>>29290611
Swift Swim Critdra is legit

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>>29290651
>critical hit results in automatic oh ko

>>29290525
Considering those legs, it's pretty much a given.

>>29290467
I don't think people would care. If there was a shitstorm it would be that a bird is 4x weak to flying moves

>>29290611
>sniper

Do we know if any changes have been made to the type chart? I was hoping theyd makes some tweaks to help out grass, ice and rock

>>29290814
Not as of yet. There aren't enough Pokemon available in the demo to actually test that.

I feel like laser focus pretty much guarantees sniper as a HA
Rowlett 3 going to be trash isnt it?

>>29290563
>he would want a 4x flying weakness over a 4x ice weakness
Are you fucking retarded? 4x ice weakness is harsh but bearable. 4x flying weakness on the other hand is an one-way ticket to the deepest depths of the bottom tier of viability.

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>>29290814
>to help out grass, ice and rock
>rock

>>29290844
Nah, that stuff would be in the datamine, just like Thunder Wave's dropped accuracy.

>>29290879
If it gets leaf blade and a high crit rate flying move then Sniper would be great.

>>29290814
and bug, resisted by 7 types. making fairy resist bug was just a sick joke on gamefreaks part

>>29290879
It will as long as it's Grass/Flying. Grass/Steel or Grass/Fighting would be fine though.

>>29290879
What gave it away, the fact that it's Grass/Flying, or the fact that it's not Greninja?

>>29290909
Grass/Fighting has better offensive capability and actual access to priority, unlike Grass/Flying.

>>29291395
Priority being anywhere good as it was before when there's quite possibly a Pokémon that prevents priority usage for 5 turns just by coming in.

>>29291395
They both have some pretty big flaws. One is walled by Flying types, the other is walled by Steel types.

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>>29291456
Even so, Chestnaught is high UU not uncommon in OU despite his lack of priority. Breloom is solidly OU and won't be going anywhere anytime soon and he doesn't even need Mach Punch to be effective. Meanwhile Tropius is sitting at the bottom of PU because of it's trash stats and horrible offensive typing.

>>29291707
Actually, Chesnaught is only UU because it's a poor man's Ferrothorn, Breloom is only OU because of Spore, and Tropius is trash because it's a DEFENSIVE with a shit DEFENSIVE typing.

>>29291552
>>29291395
BTFO

>>29290215
They're just shitposting, Anon. Ignore then.

>>29291707
Yeah and Shaymin-Sky is sitting in Ubers and will never leave that place.

Grass/Fighting is a good defensive typing, having resistances to Dark, Water, Electric, Ground and Rock, all pretty common attacking types. While Grass/Flying is only resistant to Fighting, Water and x4 to Grass. Both Tropius and Jumpluff are rotting in PU because their typings are not designed to be defensive, but rather offensive.

Have we seen any indication that it can fly? This is a bit of a stretch, but maybe it lost the flying type and only uses its wings to use the bow?

I'd say Grass/Dark or Grass/Fighting could fit in well. But this is far less likely than Grass/Flying I guess.

>>29291877
Because Jumpluff is such a great offensive Pokemon, and no, don't give the Shaymin excuse, because Shaymin has 600 BST and fucking Serene Grace.

>>29291996
Skymin would be UU/BL if it werent for fucking Serene Grace.

>>29292035
Jumpluff has a base 55 attack and special attack.

>>29291996
Tropius and Jumpluff also have fucking garbage stats. Hopefully they get a little love, those minor stat boosts were one of my favorite parts of X/Y

>>29291996
>serene grace
>60% chance to either flinch or drop there spdef by 2 stages
>Earth power and Hidden power Ice

>>29288918
>grass
>sweeper

Oh you sweet summer child

>>29292345
>what is Serperior

>>29291925
Found the retard.

>>29291996
Pretty much this. How is Crithoot supposed to get his shit set up if he doesn't have a workable defensive typing? I'd also argue that Fighting is overall much more useful offensively than Flying due to how prevalent Steel types are in the meta.

>>29292380
A contrarian.

>>29289481
Why are people assuming it won't get Brave Bird? It's a perfectly reasonable thing for an owl to get.

>>29292655
For some reason people are relating an archer with special attack.

>>29292724
It's much more likely to get Brave Bird than Acrobatics if it's only going to get one.

>>29292655
Why would it really want BB? I get that it's a crazy strong move but I doubt that it would really be doing Crithoot any favors considering the recoil, setup time, and bad defensive typing.

>>29293002
To expand upon this: Acrobatics would be far more useful in this scenario considering you could Laser Focus -> Z-move crit nuke -> Acrobatics

>>29293095
Z-moves will probably work like Mega Stones and won't allow you to Acrobatics.

>>29288736
What do aurora veil and laser focus do?

>>29290204
talonflame was also described as kicking. i wouldn't read too much into it yet.

>tfw GF will give Robinhoot a defensive fucking spread with mediocre offensive stats under the belief that bulky defense will help Robinhoot score OHKOs with a guaranteed critical

>>29290333
>Team Rocket is getting a Bewear and a Not!Pikachu
hype

>>29288393
Laser Focus is shit. It could have been decent enough if crits were still 2x damage, but Gen VI's nerf on them ruined everything.

>>29291552
>no effect
which one?

>>29293713
Shedinja, nigga.

>>29289585
But there are zero steel features on it.
And don't you dare compare it to Lucario because the furrybait there has steel bones or something.

>>29291395
>yfw Rowanarrow's other Signature move is a Grass Extremespeed

>>29293333
Laser focus makes your next attack crit. Idk about aurora veil.

>>29293333
checked and witnessed

wew

>>29293901
Aurora vail is light screen and reflect in one move. It's broken.

>>29293964
>le off topic shitposting because numbers happen
fuck off

>>29294010
every board (sans /s4s/) would be improved with the removal of dubs. somebody prove me wrong.

>>29294060
/v/ isn't much better without dubs. If there's no dubs then threads can just get derailed with other shit like king of GETs, unless we go back to the last three digits being hidden.

>>29293793
>Implying Robinhoot wouldn't have to have an adamantium skeleton and joints strong enough to bend steel in order to use his wingbow without snapping his arms off.

>>29293514
It would be fine if it at least got a passable defensive typing.

>>29292655
>Owls are birds

>>29288393
>Grass/Steel
>feels the earth shake a little
>1hit kill

>>29288558
But the Hoenn favorite was Blaziken and Ash got Sceptile.

>>29289067
Dartrix already has the same HP as Grotle at level 28.

>>29294492
Archers are known for being glass cannons, so it's no wonder Robinhoot got cucked in terms of defense. Instead, Rowlet will be for people who like going all-out on their enemies in battle. Like me!

>Grass beats Rock and Electric, and that covers Flying's weakness
>It also beats Ground, which means you could pretty much snipe any Ground type without fear for your own safety.
>Flying beats Bug, which is a common weakness for Grass types

>>29296095
>Bug, which is a common weakness for Grass types
Bug is not a common attacking type. Even a lot of things that get STAB off of it typically don't run it.

His special move is shit. He's not dead on arrival to the competitive scene yet (Greninja had two special moves and they both were pretty mediocre), but he will need some serious help from his ability, stat distribution and moveset because his typing is garbage.

>>29294854
earthquake's a neutral hit anon
unless you're talking about something else

>>29296393
Hmm. You have a point there.

>>29296393
everyone and their wife's son runs u-turn if they can

>>29288738
Not sure if you were here, back then, but greninja actually got a really mediocre reception when it was leaked.

Actually they started giving him a "special treatment" waaayyyy before he got reavealed.

>>29288601
It's not about a literal laser you idiot.

source on these new moves?

>>29288393
I'm hoping for a Grass/Ghost typing. Would be a HUGE stretch but would be pretty badass.

>>29296577
You know what else fucking everything runs if they can get it? Ice coverage. Which this owl is 4x weak to.
And before you bring it up, no. Its stats are not going to be as good as Garchomp's.

>>29288775
He might get No Guard with a bunch of low accuracy moves.

>>29298980
Pretty much every special attacker without fire coverage runs HP Fire just so they can get past Scizor and that thing is still pretty strong. Not saying this thing will be as good as other mons with 4x weaknesses, Grass/Flying is easier to exploit. I just wouldn't entirely count it out yet either, even if I also believe it probably won't be great based off of what we know about stats.

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>>29289580
>priority grass type water shuriken with guaranteed crit and skill link

>>29293977
>thinking Aurora Veil will have decent spread to mons
>thinking literally Wall from any RPG on Earth is a bad thing
>will likely be bustable by Brick Break

Stop. Its balanced.

>>29288775
the anti-priority Pokemon are weak to Grass and Flying, and don't look particularly bulky or fast. Doesn't look like a problem to me.

>>29299405
>implying anything runs Brick Break

That said you could just Defog it away.

>>29288558
it's painfully obvious that Ash gets Rowlet, rival gets Litten, and companion gets Popplio

>>29288393
Laser Focus isn't viable. It's less effective than just attacking twice so why would it ever be viable? Adding Sniper adds a few extra damage at the cost of giving your opponent a free turn.

>>29299435
If, and that's a big IF, Aurora Veil has good distribution, Brick Break may see more usage. Maybe even buff it to "deals more damage if a wall is shattered". Like 1.5x

>>29299386
And the shit typing would balance out its fragile ability to setup, but once it does, it would be a monster xD

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>>29288393
>mfw rowlet is gonna be the worst starter.
if that happens, i will be so fucking happy.
what a shitty starter.

>>29299479
Ash gets Luchalitten in the leaked art.

I'm pretty sure this season would be like DPP. Ash will get two starters and evolve them fully. He might get both Luchatigre and Robinhoot. Luchatigre's obviously confirmed for his team anyway since I'm pretty sure it'll be the running joke in the anime (while Robinhoot's the more serious one like Torterra).

>>29289362
>the starters signature moves are they special Z-moves. How fucked are litten3 and rowlet3 compared with popplio3

>>29299780
(You)

>>29288393
Requires a whole turn to set up Laser focus

Free pivot into anything Robinroot would throw out.

>>29288393
Implying GF gives a fuck about competitive viability and you can justifiably be upset at them for "thinking this through"

>>29293095
Z crystals don't get used up though. It will still be holding it

>>29288767
You'd just be better off attacking twice. An attack used twice does more damage than a single crit of that attack.

>>29302472
But they do.
They've made a point in this Gen that they do care.
Whether that actually means anything because they're incredibly incompetent is a different matter, but they DO try to balance things for the VGC, which is doubles.

>>29292533
Or, you know, the owl doesn't turn defensive ?

>>29302687
Oh in that case never mind then. I was under the impression that Z-crystals worked like Type Gems.

>grass
>steel

>>29288516
Can you do an edit with Josh holding a sign saying (you)

>>29288904
It's Grass type. Grass types have never gotten preferential treatment. They didn't bother buffing the type so that policy hasn't changed.

>>29288393
>Gets Skill Link
Given the entire idea behind Laser Focus and it being an archer, it seems fitting. It still has the flaw of one turn set up, and then act, and like everyone's brought up, any coverage move is chances are going to nuke the poor thing, demanding a sash. Though you can't say a 5 hit all crit option would be cloyster levels of silly? Hell, if this thing gets all of the multi-hits + skill link and some decent speed, it might just prove itself.

>>29290426
But leafage is probably a new 40 power starter grass move like ember

>>29288558

>muh anime concept art meme

that's production art for the games retard