In other news, Greninja has dethroned P-Groudon as the King of

>>29213156
but water doesn't groudon anymore lol

>>29213315
P-Groudon's ability will be nerfed. You heard it here first.

>>29213384
lol not a chance in hell, friend. why would it be?

>>29213839
Greninja is already capable of 2HKOing the entire pokedex. And that's without Protean.

Ash-Greninja is shown to be even more powerful, able to OHKO the entire pokedex with priority. None of the other Uber pokemon stands a chance.

>>29214187
>Espeed Arceus

>>29214227
FUG

>>29214187
>able to OHKO the entire pokedex with priority

you retarded mate?

I need stats. How much does Battle Bond boost it by and how stronger is Water Shuriken because of it?

>>29214187
you didn't even answer the question anon asked so why bother replying

>>29214291
Mega Greninja gets +100 bst, 25 of that goes into Special Attack.

>>29214362
literally nothing about this post is correct

>>29214362
No, that was a mistake.

Ash-Greninja gets +50 SpA, +50 Att, +10 Spe

>>29214407
prove me wrong friend.

>>29213156
Greninja wiithout protean is mediocre at best so I doubt it.

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>>29213156

>>29214419
>>29214419
>+110 bst boost

WHAT THE FUG

BULLSHITTTTTTTTTT

Who the hell said Primals were coming back?

>>29213156
you're fucking retarded

-a decent ubers player

>>29214485
Honestly, after getting shat on for the majority of its career in Pokemon multiplayer (as well as Smash Bros), Greninja needed a buff badly to make up for the unfair treatment.

>>29214485
It's a weird Moxie instead of an immediate transformation so it's more powerful

>>29214436

>>29211894
evs are confirmed as 128atk/128spa/252spe, ivs are confirmed as 20/31/20/31/20/31, look at the base stats and do the math yourself, or just look at the rest of the posts about it that already did

>>29213156
>Tsareena's Queenly Majesty!

>>29214527
look at the *ingame stats

>>29214551
Greninja used Ice Beam!

>Ash had this absolute bullshitery strong Pokémon
>STILL LOST TO A CHARIZARD

>>29214187
252+ Atk Life Orb Protean Greninja Low Kick (60 BP) vs. 252 HP / 120 Def Eviolite Porygon2: 148-174 (39.5 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Good meme, but not quite supreme

>>29214551
>Greninja used Gunk Shot!
>It's super effective!

I'm gonna sing the Smogon song now!
OH OH OH OH OH, BAN EVERYTHING!

>>29214666
>Porygon2

MY SIDES

What's next, Regigigas?

>>29214629
And people say it wasn't the writers fucking him up so he never wins.

>>29214711
XDddXDXDXD

>>29214721
Porygon2 has been a Greninja counter ever since XY came out newfriend

>>29214863
Steam Eruption from Greninja kills it easy.

>>29214721
Tbh, it's quite hard to find things that don't take the 2HKO to some random coverage move and a non-speed boosting nature:
252+ SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 169-200 (41.8 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>>29214187
>OHKO the entire pokedex with priority
Not Bruxish

>>29213156
have you ever played an ubers match past 1100? sure, it may become a rival to ekiller, but it definetely wont be able to overtake primal groudon as the main mon in the tier.

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>>29214629
Ash is legit mentally retarded.

Idk man, mega charizard X gave it trouble

I feel like Battle Bond is being overrated by a ton. You still need to get a kill in order to activate it.

>>29215126
Not hard to get a Revenge kill with normal Greninja. Especially as a late-game sweeper.

>>29215126
And it's extremely easy to get kills with Greninja, Battle Bond or not, so it's no problem.

>>29214921
>non speed boosting nature
stop
>ubers
stop
if you use greninja as anything other than a suicide lead offense will stomp you and balance will set up all over you and laugh at you for using such a shit set

>>29215206
hey Trop

>>29215206
See >>29215175 and >>29215178

>>29215175
Greninja is only viable as a Toxic Spikes lead.

>>29215178
It's not really easy to get kills with it. Like I said above, it's really only useful as a toxic spikes suicide lead.

>>29215206
this nigga gets it

>>29214882
I love theorymon!!!!
252+ SpA Life Orb Greninja Steam Eruption vs. 252 HP / 136+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 121-144 (32.3 - 38.5%) -- 97.4% chance to 3HKO

>>29214187
>>29215206
Although I agree with you, I'm just countering the original claim of Greninja being able to 2HKO the entire pokedex. In accordance with that, I'm giving Greninja the best possible matchup (outside of choice items)
Some more non-2HKOs:
252+ SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Skuntank: 156-185 (38 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
and
252+ SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 240 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tentacruel: 135-164 (37.3 - 45.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>>29215259
But they're wrong you fucking retard.

>>29215301
PROTEAN Greninja is only viable as a Toxic Spikes Lead.

BATTLE BOND Greninja, on the other hand, is viable as a sweeper.

>>29215363
Battle Bond Greninja loses out on the boosts from Protean, making it easier to wall, making it harder to get that kill. It's not really that hard to revenge kill in Ubers considering Extremespeed is a thing too. Also, if it really wants to run Water Shuriken, it has to give up one of the moves that'll help it get that first kill.

>>29215363
I can definetely see it becoming a rival to ekiller as a revenge/priority user, but the late-game sweeper role will always belong to Xerneas (depending on how specially balky Solgaleo is).

besides, water is probably the worst move type in ubers (besides the ones that are shit in ever tier, like bug). Dark isnt bad but it doesnt stand out either.

>>29213156
>loses protean
>uber
nah, the speed boost is nice but the spatk boost is not enough to compensate for the lack of stab on coverage, also you can always mach punch it

>>29215446
>+50 atk/sp. atk
>+10 speed
>Can still hold an item

huh

>>29215504
>Greninja used Water Shuriken!
>Mach Punch user fainted!

>>29215334
Burn would probably secure the kill though

>>29215547
Primal Groudon

>>29215608
I wonder if Stealth Rock/Spikes/Toxic damage activates the condition to bond or not.

>>29215613
>Groudon learns Mach Punch
Holy shit anti-greninjafags are retarded, but that's not really surprising since they're chesnaughtfags..

>>29213156
yeah you're right, if only there was a 770 bst mon that was immune to water attacks in ubers....

>>29215547
Does this thing really want to use Water Shuriken? It's not like it can afford to just go without Hydro Pump.

>>29215703
Mat Block
Water Shuriken
Dark Pulse
Coverage

VGC2017

>Toxicroak used Vaccum Wave!

>>29215836
what?

>>29215608
>Burn would probably secure the kill
Alright, I'll take your bait.
>252+ SpA Life Orb Greninja Steam Eruption vs. 252 HP / 136+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 121-144 (32.3 - 38.5%) -- 97.4% chance to 3HKO
Adding 12.5% burn damage per turn, assuming burn on turn 1, so 25% over two turns, so equivalent to 3 Layers of spikes:
252+ SpA Life Orb Greninja Steam Eruption vs. 252 HP / 136+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 121-144 (32.3 - 38.5%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO after 3 layers of Spikes
4.7% < 50%
It is possible, with two maximum rolls, but it certainly isn't probable

>>29214705
Ash Greninja doesn't have protean

>>29216014
Anon, you may wanna take a look at the type chart again and compare the matchup between Gunk Shot (Poison Type) and Tsareena (Grass Type).
Protean doesn't matter, it'S still super effective

>>29216014
then make sure Protean Greninja gets it done before he goes Ashninja

>>29216192
Ash-Greninja doesn't have protean even in its base form. It's Battle Bond that makes it change forms in the first place.

Wonder what happens if you skill swap Greninja after it changes forms.

Doesn't it still need to KO a pokemon before it changes?

>>29216506
Will probably fail.

>>29216506
If it works like Zen Mode, Gastro Acid will revert the transformation.

>>29214484
underrated

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>>29215680

>>29214629

It's only level 36 when he sends it to you anon.

>>29216158
>Gunk shot
>On Ash Greninja

Forget about move tutors in Sun and Moon.

>Greninja going to AG
>140/150 attacking stats being ANYTHING special in ubers without a boosting ability or move
>losing a significant amount of damage on coverage moves

is everyone in this thread 1100 or something?

>>29215836
>VGC2017
You mean something Ash-Greninja isn't in?

>>29217316
Not to mention it has to kill something to even change.

>>29214484
>S-Stay back!

>>29217049
Oh right I forgot Primals are confirmed coming back for Alola