>both lycanrocs look different enough to be different pokemon

because once he destroys the mask he doesn't get it back

>>29151197
Just make it a permanent form change, then.

Oricorio is to help people understand Alolan Forms.

Lycanroc being 1 Pokemon is pretty dumb, though.

>>29151197
This.

A form change implies a temporary shift.
Breaking the helmet isn't.

I mean, look at most Pokemon with a cocoon-like mid evo. That's the best comparison.
If that could be considered an evolution, then so is this.

>>29151184
Higher BST?

>>29151197
/thread

>>29151216
>permanent form change
So... An evolution ?

>>29151184
I'm think it's a "fake" evolution. Type: Null and Silvally are the "different" Pokémon, but in the same Pokédex entry. It evolves in itself.

No one cared who he was until he took off the mask.

Unfortunately, removing it was extremely painful.

For you.

>>29151324
I agree with you, but doesn't Rotom technically get a permanent form change?

>>29151296
this

Also, didnt any of you notice that the color of the two is different? Type: Nulls neck and head feathers are grey where as the ones of Silvally are white. It also gets bigger and heavier when it evolves.

>>29151395
Well, no, since you can still change it back to Original Rotom or any other form, there's no such thing as permanent form change
But I wish they would have find a way to keep Type:Null as its name, or something in the same spirit

>>29151395
No? You can change its form whenever you want.

>>29151469
Type: All would have been cool.

>>29151467
Fuck, got something wrong. It gets lighter when it evolves due to the mask breaking. It still grows though.

>>29151395
Correct me if I'm wrong - and I probably am - but I thought Rotom can change from one form to another?

>>29151197
But if I pull it off, will it die?

>>29151477
I would have loved something like Type:Full

>>29151184


Are you being dense on purpose? How do ppl now it does not change its face anyway?

It gains those feather like things on his head, it gets bigger and its fur thing is no longer grey, now its white. It goes from 6' something to 7'07''. Also it loses some weight, but it might be due to the mask thing.


Yeah, its a classic example of "it just gets bigger" evolution, but it is still a evolution.

>>29151477
>>29151532
Both would fit better than what we got.

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>>29151184
>it's a different pokemon and not just a form change
Because it can't go back to being Type: Null afterwards unless it lost its trainer and got a new mask somehow.

Both Lycanrocs will most likely share base stat totals and movesets with some differences.

All four Oricorios will probably share the same base stat total and movesets with some differences.

Silvally is a literal improvement over Type: Null with better base stats, and a different moveset.
There is no way for Silvally to return to being Type: Null, the Pokemon it evolves from. So isn't it an evolution?

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>>29151706
Well actually, I don't see a reason for Lycanroc to be different Pokemon even with the similarities they share but that's neither here nor there.

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>>29151184
>Type: Null is Silvally with a burdening helmet
>This is the first evolution that was originally reverse
>mfw Type: Null is a pre-evo but also an evo evo

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>>29151483
The "growth" is because of the feathers coming out.

>>29151639
The height gain is probably mostly from the 'feather' crest you mention (which it looks like part of the mask is designed to hold closed) but it does also look slightly lither and longer generally.

>>29151521
It would be extremely painful

for you.

>>29151521
It would be extremely painful.

>>29151184
Silvally is different enough from Type:Null. The head crest changes and has those energy-looking blades, the face being obvious enough, and the vibrancy of its colors. Type:Null had grey fur/feather(?) on its neck and crest, but Silvally has white. The bug claws also get more saturated, as well as the blue plates on its rear legs and the entirety of its tail. Of little importance, it also gets taller. It's more of a natural kind of evolution rather than a typical pokemon one.

I am going to use Silvally when I get it, no matter what. It's going to be Super Trained and IV trained asap.

>>29151216
>permanent form change
That's an Evolution, anon

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>>29151225
>Lycanroc being 1 Pokemon is pretty dumb, though.
You retard. Lycanroc is no different from Oricorio. Its a species that makes use of the Sun/Moon theme just like the mascot legendaries. Do you seriously want an Espeon/Umbreon rehash?

>>29151469
Type null with evolite might be pretty good

Think of it less as an "evolution" even though it's listed as one.

Type: Null is presumed to be the Pokedex not having proper information to provide for the Pokémon. It's a masked creation that it cannot identity. Therefore, it has a default-type name like Type: Null.

When the mask is removed, it can be identified. It's a unique Pokemon, the only difference is it now is not disguised. We get Silvally, a synthetic Pokémon.

So while it is listed as an evolution, it's a technicality. Functionally it being an evolution makes little sense, but canonically it's the only thing that makes sense.

>>29152211
saying Lycanroc is the same thing is like saying Vileplume and Bellossom should be Vileplume Midday form and Vileplume midnight form.

>>29152481
Kind of a bad example since Vileplume and Bellossom look nothing alike beyond "flower(s) on head." Moonroc at least looks like a heavily reskinned Sunroc standing up.

There is no reason why Type:Null and Sylvally are different pokemon, but I have a few theories as of why they did.

>They wanted to change its name
>RKS system is difficult to program, so they split the concept of Type:Null in halve

Anyone with better understanding about the inner data mechanics of the game, please confirm/deny this possibility.

>>29152350
>Functionally it being an evolution makes little sense
According to whom?

There's never been a set definition as to what an evolution is anyway.

Scizor literally just gets a new coat and a BST shift.

At least we know Silvally will have a BST increase.

>>29152700
Or
>The helmet is interfering with the Pokedex ability to identify a Silvally, leading it to display a Type:Null error

>>29151469
Nicknames are a thing, are they not? Though I never pay attention to the symbols tab so I dunno if there's a colon to use.

>>29153254
Yes there is, along with a lot of symboles, and I know I can nickname it, I was just saying

>>29152481
I mean, the look almost entirely different. A better example would have been Slowking and Slowbro.

>>29152700

RKS is literally a re-skinned multi-type so I doubt the second one is true.

>>29152211
They should at least have different typing.

>>29153308
>>29152578

Whatever it is, I miss split evos.

>>29153354
It essentially is a split evo in everything but name. They probably do it like this so it doesn't take up more dex space or whatever.

>>29153401
There's no arbitrary limit on dex space though. A major complaint would only occur if they didn't have enough Pokemon, which would be a result of saving too many dex spaces.

>>29153452
You're right, but I still see people complaining about that like slots in Smash bros because they think if some Pokemon is created another they might have wanted isn't.

Pokemon is full of inconsistencies. It's better to just accept it.

>Nidoran male and female are considered different Pokemon while Meowstic male and female are not

>3 digletts forming a group are considered a new Pokemon while Wishiwashi's school form isn't considered a new Pokemon

>>29153728
Pokemon went to shit after Masuda started being in charge.

Only Gen I-III are redeemable because of Satoshi's work.

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>>29152578
The hell are you talking about? The only thing both Lycanroc's have in common is that they're dogs

>>29151184
>slowbro is literaly a bipedal slowpoke with a weird shelder on its tail

>>29152727
Scythe to Scizor involves a change of form. There are differences even besides the obvious metal coat. Silvally is the same being, just with its mask removed, and true potential discovered. It's a similar "evolution" to Magneton or Dugtrio. As a perceived evolution, it just doesn't make sense.

>>29152727

>At least we know Silvally will have a BST increase.

Do we?

>>29151216
You look so dumb right now

Silvally is honestly the worst evolution in the entirety of Pokémon. It doesn't even just get bigger, it literally just gets a different head.

>>29153972
They have the exact same frame. That's why Midnight looks so awkward.

>>29154335
>Wormadan

>pokémon has had shit evolutions in the past
>that means it's okay

>>29154459
That's not a form change because Wormadam never goes from 1 form to another. It's locked the moment it evolves.

>>29154459
Wormadam is Burmy evolution locked into the last form change it had. Silvally is a Slowpoke Slowbro case

>>29154520
>Pokemon had thematic evolutions in the past
>that sets a precedent
>I think my opinions are fact
Woops, don't know how that last one got in there.

>>29154831
It's funny because Slowbro and Slowking should be the same Pokemon if we go by how Lycanroc is treated.

>>29154301
It's speed massively increases and it doesnt suggest anything is lowered like "its speed drastically increased, but the helmet's protection left it vulnerable to attacks."

>>29155642
I think it'll lower its defense if not greatly by a fair amount.

After all, it got rid of a helmet, shit will hurt.