/ptcgg/ Pokémon TCG/O General - S/M Prune Hype Edition

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good snipes today famalam :^)

TotT I think venasuar will be only good because of its attack

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post your progress famalams

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I want groudon to blow a load all over me

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>>29129942
tbqh famalam I mainly do trades for now but I'll start playing once the garbomeme dies so i can abuse mew-ex

>>29129954
I think you mean Maxie :^)

>>29129942
at like 1300 and I just want to stop since it feels like a chore

>>29129942
1785 right now but will probably hit around mid 1800s by the end of the day.

I always manage to rush through these somehow, and now I'm running low on packs to trade until this weekend. Least I have 55 tickets to throw away on rigged tournament matches.

Don't die plz

>>29131650

WHERE WERE YOU IN THE LAST THREAD?

Realistically, the thread probably won't drop off page 10 for now. It's only really in danger of getting archived early during daytime hours for Europe.

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How do you think they'll implement this thing into the tcg?

>>29131748
same way they did arceus

PTCGO needs a "zzz" emote to let your opponent know they're taking too fucking long to make simple decisions in a children's card game.

>>29131775
Probably not, it is not a legendary, it won't get 10 different cards. And it would be just stupid to repeat that cluncky mechanic anyway, even worse when you consider it's a stage 1 this time.

My guess is something like old crystal type cards, attach an energy, become that type.

>>29132153
You can always send a "hello"

>>29131775
>>29132444
Poke Tool to change types when??

Why is M Gardevoir-EX so hard to find? Just opened my 5 versus ladder SS packs and packed 2 Gardevoir-EX. I now have 5 total from PC and SS (including 2 copies of the secret rare), but 0 M Gard.

I don't even want to build the deck, but this is a bit weird.

How many SS does a FA Shaymin go for now? I asked last thread and didn't really get an answer.

>>29134431
probably because it's answered in the op you retard hahaa

>>29134498
Where? Pretty sure the price has changed, and I highly doubt it's going for like 90 as TCs seem to have it priced at.

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>>29133142

sometimes you just have to accept the fact that the ex gods want you to have shit EXs, a crazy number of dupes, and incomplete lines

>>29135323
>tfw 2 account locked computer searches

>paying 24 tickets to brick

Lame

>>29135363
Got a SRUB tradelocked. And a FA Keldeo EX. They really should be unlocked at some point.

>>29135323
Be happy you're getting some decent exs rather than shit holos

>>29135316
You're selling right?
Why do you care about getting a fair deal?
Spam trades and reduce by 2 packs at a time until it goes.

Is it worth it to go to a prerelease?

>>29135364
>only get one more pack than normal if you win, otherwise you win less than you would for that many tickets

>>29136274
Yeah. It is fun.

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>tfw

Best theme deck for trainer challenge?

>>29137483
Ocean's core

>>29137477
Nothing gets me more erect
I already have everything I need and enough packs to trade for SRUBs, I just get off on having it that sound play and the little window pop up

>>29137533

What sound does it make?

I like seeing the window, but I have sounds disabled on PTCGO.

how much is a clawitzer break worth? 1 pack?

>>29137483
I found luck in the deck with the gyarados, just dump water energy on it. I'm surprised there wasn't a big reward for completing all three challenges, oh well.

>>29138353
Less than a pack, arguably the worst break yet along with Luxray and the promos.

I Greninja break fun to play?

>play 2-2 Zoroark
>both Float stones and Zoruas are prized right next to each other

SHUFFLE THE FUCKING DECK HOLY SHIT END THIS

>mulligan
>new hand is exactly the same as the old hand
?

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>opponent is a That Guy who runs Giratina
>instantly ragequits when Garbomeme sets up

loving every laugh

>>29139370
How do Giratina and Garbodor interact? Did he really think Giratina was good because of its ability?

>>29139463
That's why most gira players run them in mostly unrelated decks. Same as teching carbink. They bank on the ability to shut down mega decks. And then they get shit on by garbo/hex/cobalion

>have perfect Maxie start set up for a likely win
>both Archeops and Gallade are prized
>so is hex

Well, fuck you too game.

bought 12 packs of ancient origins... hate cottonee now

got 2 sceptile ex and full arts of machamp ex and giratina ex

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>Greninja mirror match

>>29140174
Sounds like fun. Like playing Theme all over again.

What is SRUB?

>>29141863

Secret Rare Ultra Ball

>>29141863
The golden ultra ball.
It's worth something like 300 packs.

>>29141895
>It's worth something like 300 packs.
100~150 RS right now, probably around ~PLF. No one in their right mind will trade one for any other pack.

>>29141994
Meant ~100 PLF.

>ultra ball will never rotate
>you'll always look like a poorfag

>>29142053
Feels good owning a copy real life. I enjoy also having got N back when they weren't a hundred dollars too.

>>29142053
Sun and Moon looks like it's trying to wipe mechanics since EXs, Breaks, and Megas are gone. Maybe UB will die once FC rotates in 2018.

>>29142103

But those are mechanics, not "basic staples" that almost every deck needs since we have no other reliable way to search for Pokemon. I fully expect we will see yet another "dump your hand to draw 7 cards" Supporter yet again when Sun and Moon comes out

>>29142177
Maybe we'll switch to only having N? Might be interesting.

>>29142177
>tfw we'll never have a sexy Professor Willow FA

>>29142177
>But those are mechanics, not "basic staples" that almost every deck needs since we have no other reliable way to search for Pokemon.
...what, you think Ultra Ball has been around since Base Set? The game's twenty years old, and Ultra Ball was only printed in the first half of Gen V.

How do you think people searched out their Pokemon in previous formats?

>>29142215
I actually don't know anything about Gen 4. Tell me.

>>29142215

Bebe's Search, Luxury Ball, Celio's Network, Pokemon Communication, and others?

>>29142103
The problem is, if they nerf the fuck out of trainers, you'll still have Sycamore for 2 years, Lysandre for half a year, VS Seeker for half a year, N for 2 years, Ultra Ball and such still around in every deck. If anything, expect buffs to trainers since what we have now is so good it's used in every deck skeleton.

If you want a look at how powerful the current support and item core is, go play legacy and see what it's like when you don't have Lysandre, VS Seeker, Shaymin or even Compressor. Each good deck in that format is built differently.

>>29142234
A wide variety of consistency items and Supporters that leaned towards searching over heavy draw.

>>29142251
Don't forget Premier Ball, Poke Drawer +, Call Energy, SP Radar, Roseanne's Research, Pokemon Collector, and I'm sure there are more I'm forgetting.
But this is just Gen 4 stuff.

>>29142321
I play Legacy. Back then you had pre-nerf Catcher which is just a better Lysandre. But today, instead of VS Seeker, you can Junk Arm a Comp Search, or a Random Receiver and anything you get will be good since all the best Supporters are all draw options. It's not THAT different, especially compared to a truly different format like what you saw in Gen 2/3/4.

The thing is, Sycamore, Lysandre, Seeker, N, and UB are going to stay in rotation for the next two years NO MATTER WHAT. Even if the next generation of Supporters end up being comparatively bad, we'll still eventually reach a point where the current set will rotate out and the new cards will have at least one year to shine, and then we can work from there.

>>29142486
Lysandre and Seeker are due to rotate out next rotation.

>>29142560
I feel like we're going to get a VS seeker reprint.

>>29142560
Either way, it doesn't what I said. All those staples listed will be used until the day they rotate, unless something objectively better comes along. And considering recent draw supporters consist of shit like Psychic's Third Eye, Misty's Determination, and Lass's Special, I doubt they're going to print something objectively amazing.

What are the odds of Kukui being an eight-card Sycamore, for example?

>>29142963
I hope so, make my physical SR skyrocket in price.

>>29142486

After looking at the Trainers that have a guranteed search for any non-specific Pokemon (as most cards have certain restrictions), they are mostly "minus" cards in a vacuum but there are mitigating factors for those costs (except Trevor since most people would prefer other Supporters in the format it is legal in)

Bebe's Search: -1 and uses your Supporter for the Turn, but the meta was relatively slower and you have PokePowers that draw cards to compensate
Pokemon Communication: -1 and requires you to have a Pokemon in hand to exchange, but doesn't use your Supporter for the Turn
Ultra Ball: -2, but it doesn't use your Supporter for the Turn and discarding cards can actually generate advantage
Trevor: +/- 0, but uses your Supporter for the Turn

Pardon me if I miss any other "searchers" that isn't PokeBall since that requires a coin flip

>>29143782
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. Why are you comparing those trainers?

>>29143865

>Why are you comparing those trainers?

Got bored and I was comparing them to see if "power creep" has also affected Trainers as well

GRY-4HN4-YCD-72X

Post what you get shitlord.

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>>29144122

>>29144136
RIP

>>29143920
All you have to remember is that Base Set had Computer Search, Itemfinder, Pokemon Trader, Oak, and Bill all as non-Supporter Trainers and the answer is kind of obvious.

>>29144237
Also (super) energy removal

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>>29144259
Gen I really was a cancerous format.

>>29144237

And the fact that there were no such thing as a Supporter back then, so the Trainer power creep curve is basically a parabola but I doubt it will ever go back up to the Base Set days as >>29144284 was shown

I just realized I forgot about Master Ball the ACE SPEC

>>29144122
I never thought about this, someone can use this

ZPZ-MCR2-Q9K-TRJ

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>Three fully charged mega mewtwos can't stop malamar
Most underrated pokemon card ever.

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>>29144303
You better post pulls faggot

>>29144321
what does that malamar do?

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>>29144398
Delays, fetches shit I need and forces the opponent to misplay energy and tools. He also has a frustrating soft lock with the energy removal cards if the opponent has pokemon that are expensive to set up. Essentially, he just ensures that Zoroark can do his job.

So far, my best matchups are against mega decks and I've gotten the most trouble with yanmega and greninja decks, as they don't really care about energy and retreat for free. So, malamar becomes useless and just sort of stares in horror as everything dies.

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>>29144302
I don't think it's parabolic or that there's been creep, just more of a paradigm shift. We didn't really need cards like Juniper in Gen 4 because draw power was mostly mitigated to Pokemon abilities, letting trainers take a consistency role instead. This slowly flipped over time to where Supporters are our draw cards and we no longer could sustain draw Pokemon.

For an example of what I mean, look at the Worlds winners between 2010 and 2012, which is where the turning point towards today's meta happened.

In 2010, big draw cards like Oak's existed, but only one deck actually ran it and it wasn't even maxed. Instead, you saw Uxie/Claydol as your draw cards, then a huge amount of search and recycle trainers.

In 2011, Juniper was legal for Worlds, but only a single winner actually ran it. The other two used Magnezone and only 3x Oak, and that was considered enough. Then you see maxed out Pokemon Collector in all decks and 3x Twins in another; imagine a modern deck running 4x Brigette and 3x Teammates.

Then 2012 saw the end of draw support Pokemon, with only an odd Smeargle making an appearance. Juniper, Oak, and N are the only Supporters you see, normally maxed out with 1-3 Random Receivers in the pocket. This isn't because those Supporters are particularly powerful, but because we no longer really had any draw support Pokemon to use thanks to how oppressive Catcher and EX Pokemon were. If you spend multiple turns setting up a Magnezone, your opponent can just Catcher it out and take a free prize with a Landorus.

If it weren't for Catcher back then and the gradual power creep in Pokemon, or for the overall lack of draw support Pokemon in general, our current Supporter lineup would be more diverse and cards that aren't Sycamore/N would be used a lot more often.

I feel autistic for rambling about all this but there you go.

Do Pokemon tools stack on a omega double Pokemon? Just curious because double assault vest metagross sounds amusing

>>29144850
Of course they do.

>>29144863
Why have I never seen double bursting baloon

>>29144502

>Detailed, and pretty well thought out explanation
>Call it autistic rambling

SaitamaOkay.jpg I guess we will find out what Trainers we will get in Sun and Moon to see if we will have yet another shift

>>29144850

Theta Double do stack, hence people played the Theta Double Entei so it can have 170 HP w/ Fighting Fury Belt and Assault Vest or be a total ass and put another Head Ringer on a M Tyranitar EX if you put one on a Tyranitar EX

>>29144935
Because all Pokemon with Theta Double are shit.

I found my old Core/Jungle/Fossil/Core2 cards. Is there anything worth money besides Charizard?
Also, are any of these cards tourney legal anymore?

>>29145027
Any holos?
And certainly not.

>>29145027
I think your DCEs and basic energies should be.
A few more should be legal with the next expansion. Pokedex, devolution spray...

>>29145144
Original Machamp, Poliwrath, Muk.
And what a downer. I thought they'd at least keep the Pokeball.

>>29145227
They changed pokeball slightly.
It went from
>Flip a coin. If heads, you may search your deck for any Basic Pokémon or Evolution card. Show that card to your opponent, then put it into your hand. Shuffle your deck afterward.
To
>Flip a coin. If heads, search your deck for a Pokémon, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Shuffle your deck afterward.
The first excludes some things like fossil pokemon.

>>29145300
So, because of the functionality change I wouldn't be able to use it?

>>29145311
Yeah, the general rule is that you can only use old cards if they have the same name and functionality as the modern one.
It used to be possible to bring them as long as you provided a modern reference, but I believe that's not the case now.

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sorry for shit pics, I'll try harder next time

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>>29145887
Cute collection. I like it.

>>29146074
is that really yours anon

>>29146123
>timestamp.jpg
>timestamp of post
Most likely.

>>29146123
Yup. Took a long time to gather, but I don't have room to properly make it look good anymore.

Hey guys, which of the older cards are the most valuable? Also I bought some 1999 cards for 2€ including switch and Dce, I can use it those even in official tournaments right?

>>29147916
Yes, base set Switch and DCE are still tournament legal.

What are some good cards to run in a disruption deck? Energy removals, hand reduction, etc. I just want to be annoying.

>>29148277
Delinquent is annoying as shit

>>29138961
Dunno if it's fun, I just know it wipes my sorry ass.

Tfw I always have a fire deck

>>29148277
Red Card, Delinquent, Enhanced Hammer, Hammer, Team Flare Hyper-Gears and Ghetsis.

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Ability: Inspect
Once during your turn (before your attack), you may have your opponent reveal his or her hand.
[C][C][C] Flying Headbutt: 100 damage.
[C] Gum Chance GX: 10+ damage. This attack does 50 more damage for each Energy attached to your opponent’s Active Pokemon. (You can’t use more than 1 GX attack a game.)

Starting to believe Solgaleo and Lunana's attacks cost a ton of energies to compensate GX being meh so far.

>>29148587
Make the TCG great again!

>>29148484
>>29148520
Have these, excluding Ghetsis. What could my attacker be though? I considered Giratina for support, I'd really like a basic attacker that could 2-hit with FFB or something if possible.

>>29146074
did you ever buy something thinking you didn't own it yet only to come home and notice you already owned that mewtwo merch?

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How does this look? Would you make any changes?

>>29149570
Another Hoopa, no center lady. Maybe another escape rope, in exchange for 1 float stone. Your Hoopa being prized could really fuck things up, or it does from my experience of having 1 prized and starting with the other.

>>29149570
one random ninja boy rarely ever helps
I'd rather drop that than the center lady
if you have a terrible opening you rarely ever have the capabilities of drawing into your 1of ninja boy

>>29144284
I don't understand, how is that Base Set blastoise better than the Deluge one?

>>29149714
Less retreat cost, attack uses less energies

>>29149741
The attack also caps at 60 damage whereas the other one's attack not only starts at 60 damage with no cap, but can also be accomplished in a deck using DCE. And it has 40 more HP. That's the same kind of thing that the Raichu vs Galalie-EX comparison image.

That doesn't seem nearly as blatant of a difference as Oak to Sycamore or adding a coin flip for a 50% chance of wasting a card.
Or even Muk not requiring a tool.

>>29149788
Dude power creep lmao

>>29144802
thanks for the post man, it was actually a great read

>>29149714
note that BS blastoise can only attach to water pokemons, while the recent one can attach to everything

>play scizors
>start with one scizor
>opening hand
>3 seeker
>energys
>elixir

lovely!

Orlando regional going to be streamed?

>>29150443
>Play Scizor
>start with Hoopa
>openning hand
>2 seeker
>float stone
>2 garbodor

>>29150758
link stream if it's the case, i'm interested

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>>29150758
>tfw woke up late and couldn't enter

>>29140174

Just be thankful it wasn't a Raticate BREAK mirror match like I just had.

I use a slightly unusual Raticate BREAK deck, so I had the upper hand. It took my opponent about 4 million turns to realise that I was going to win though. He quit eventually, but the match took forever.

>>29151930
t. Ash

WHERE'S THE STREAM!! AAAGGHHH!!!!!

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>http://www.pokemon-card.com/info/sun_moon-rule/
Would the fact that burns are getting a rule change mean that they are returning in the sun-moon sets?
I think the Engrish translation is saying that burn will always do 20 damage and the coin flip is to cure it.

>>29150758
>>29150817
>>29152059
https://www.youtube.com/user/TeamFishKnuckles/live

It's like you guys don't even check reddit.

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>when they play Vileplume and itemlock themselves to a loss

>>29152284

>Would the fact that burns are getting a rule change mean that they are returning in the sun-moon sets?

To be fair Burn has been a thing in XY, but it rarely happened

>I think the Engrish translation is saying that burn will always do 20 damage and the coin flip is to cure it.

Yup, so it is basically this:

- If your Active Pokemon is Burned, it takes 20 damage inbetween Turns (instead of having to flip tails for it to happen)
- Afterwards you flip a coin, if heads your Active Pokemon is no longer Burned, if tails it remains Burned

>>29152628
>To be fair Burn has been a thing in XY, but it rarely happened

Name one XY series card that can cause a burn. The last set with anything that causes burns is Legendary treasures.

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I currently have 0 Shaymin-EXs, but I have enough packs to trade for 2 of them (enough for 3 soon).

However, I also have 5 trade-locked Roaring Skies boosters. I have ≈10,300 tokens which, when converted to packs, would bring me up to a nice round 56.

Do I go for the sensible trade, or the token blowout?

>>29152734
Chandelure EX

>>29152782
Token blow out

>>29148587
It's ability would have been something like this:

The Wall: Your opponent can't use any damage or card effect to your Benched Pokémon.

This is to counter Lysandre, Escape Rope, Ariados, etc.

>>29152796
Legendary Treasures is a BW set.

>>29152868
It's Phantom Forces, my guy.

I haven't played since before Night march died is there a new cancer deck or was it just replaced with several smaller cancerous lumps?

>>29152952
Typhlosion

>>29152847

I think this is the more fun way to go. I only need a few tokens for trading, so I might as well spend the rest.

>>29152952
There is a Galvantula with an attack called "Return of the Night March", but it doesn't work because there is no more Battle Compressor, it's a stage 1, everything is faster now, etc.

>>29152942
https://pkmncards.com/?s=chandelure&display=scan&sort=date

Stop being retarded.

>>29152851

>Your opponent can't use any damage or card effect to your Benched Pokémon.

How does that stop Ariados? Ariados affects the active Pokemon. Escape Rope affects the active as well I think.

>>29152942

The EX is from Legendary Treasures, there is only a regular Chandelure in PHF

>>29152968

We are looking for cancerous decks, not meme decks that brick like 50% of the time by Turn 2

>>29152986

>That post

There are times that I wish TPCi can put WPM in his place at some point again for releasing fake spoilers for lulz

>>29152942
You can literally Google the words Phantom Forces and the very first link will tell you that you're wrong.

>>29146074
>All of those merch of just 1 pokemon
>Xbox 360 and wii
>Books
Are you still living in the dark ages?

>>29153024
Fuck, I meant Golbat and Crobat.

>>29142103
>UB
for a second I thought you were refering to Ultra Beast, I wonder how those will change the meta?

Im even more hyper for SM now

>>29144502
you must have posted the image upside down on purpose
I guess

>>29153057
Not Pictured:
>$3000 dual monitor gaming rig
>my other collections
>Wii U & Xbone
Books seen belong to wife, but I have my own.

>>29149714
It's not supposed to show that it's better, just that a lot of things literally haven't changed in twenty years other than the numbers printed for HP and damage.

If we had true power creep, Deluge would read something like
>As often as you like during your turn, you may attach a [W] Basic or Special Energy from your hand, deck, or discard pile to 1 of your Pokemon. If you do, remove 3 damage counters from that Pokemon for each energy attached this way. This Ability is unaffected by the effects of your opponent's Trainers and Pokemon Abilities.
But instead, it's almost mechanically identical to Rain Dance.

>>29154419
Doesn't power creep just mean newer things are better? The degree of which is irrelevant, a slightly better version is still a better version. Regardless, I don't give a shit about the power creep, with rotations and stuff it's not really relevant. The only thing I don't like is how shit stage 2s are compared to EX cards.

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>>29129942
Shit I swear that I only play this game for 2-2.5 hours a day

>>29149714
Modern trainers are worse than base set trainers, modern pokemon are much better than base set pokemon.

>>29155671
Reminds me of magic. Creatures are king now and most spells are downgraded versions of older spells

>>29155671
>modern pokemon are much better than base set pokemon.
Not when it comes to anything other than HP or Damage.
Base Set Pokemon have on-par or better abilities, acceleration, and secondary effects.

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last rush guys, here we GO
hoping to get lucky with the 5 packs

>>29156185
Not at all. Gen III-IV pokemon do. Gen I pokemon are worse versions of modern pokemon.

>>29157098
Muk is better than Garbodor.
Electrode is better than Evolutions Electrode.
Dark Vileplume is better than AO or HGSS Vileplume.
Blastoise is only slightly worse than Deluge Blastoise.
Alakazam and Reuniclus have the same ability.
Ditto is better than Ditto XY40.
Aerodactyl is the same as Archeops (maybe better).
Haunter's Transparency is better than Noivern's.
Venusaur has no current analogue (you can argue that Aromatisse is better for being a Stage 1, or Golduck Break), but we've had identical Stage 2 Pokemon (Meganium Prime, Klinklang, Hydreigon).
Drowzee is the same as Munna.
Dark Kadabra can be compared to Empoleon, being Stage 1 instead of 2.
Erika's Victreebel is the same as PRC Ludicolo.
Neutral Shield Mew is nearly identical to Evolutions Mew.

And these are off the top of my head. Gen I abilities had fewer limitations in most cases. A majority of the shortcomings come from the lower HP, and that doesn't really matter too much in some cases like Muk.

>>29157436
>he actually thinks old pokemon are better than new pokemon
This level of delusion cannot be argued with.

>>29157523
But I just made a whole list of abilities that are either the same or better. Was there something wrong with it?

>don't open packs before you have a solid deck, YOU EARNED THOSE, DON'T WASTE THEM ON SOME SHITTY HOLO RARE AND 9X KRABBY

What did they mean by this?

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that's a lovely opening hand we got here!

>>29157704
Most of the cards in a pack might never be used in play except a few cards and are useful as a krabby :^)

So I'm at Orlando regionals and I saw like 5 people playing some deck with AOR Gyarados.

Anyone know what's up with that?

>>29157918
Which one?

If it's Full Retaliation, you can do up to 270 damage for a single DCE given a dream setup. Plus the AT.
If it's Aqua Tail, you could...pray for all heads to do 180?

They're probably just shitters either way.

>>29157978
The Full Retaliation.
How does it do 270?

>>29158109
4 Magikarp with 2 damage counters each from Magma Base or some other method. 30 x 8 plus the base 30 is 270 damage.

>>29158138
you can't have 4 magikarp + gyarados on the field silly

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>>29158173

>>29157918
any decklist floating around? i watched the stream earlier and some people were talking about that too... even saw one guy using Hoopa STS in his MMewtwo deck as, apparently, a tech against Gyarados

>>29158190
do you see them playing archies?

>>29158173
You could with Archie, right? Discard it earlier, bring it to the field with that. Somehow get damage counters on the magikarps without them dying.

>>29158206
No clue, I'm just hearing about this now.
Even without Archie's, 3 Magikarp with 2 counters each is still 210 damage. And if you want to go full meme, put a FFB on those Magikarp so you can fit on an extra 4 damage counters for +120 more damage each.

>>29158138
Jesus Christ
That sounds fun

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>>29129147
>tfw still no activation email
Its been 5 days, i've re-sent it countless times. Anyone know a way around it?

>>29158313

Are you the same guy from the other thread? Like I said before, just contact the staff about it/post a question on the forums.

>>29158485
Done that too, had no reply from them except that they've received my email

>>29158572

Weird. Maybe they just don't want you to play.

You could try making an alternate email address just to get started. After the activation email, I don't think they really send you anything.

>>29158313
make another account with another mail maybe?

>>29158649
Ive caved in, just pissed that i had loads of unopened packs on that account

>trying to get 16 water knockouts
>lose like 4/5 games in landslides with XY Blue
>say fuck it, queue up with HGSS Blue
>win easily with shit, outdated cards

>Be me, playing Vespiquen/Flareon deck
>Opponent using Volcanion deck
>Shit draws whole match, can't seem to get an energy at all
>Opponent spams, "You have a good deck!" most of the game
>Use a Battle Compressor halfway through game
>Scroll through deck
>Literally all my Double Colorless Energies are in my Prize Cards
>Tfw

>>29157704
They're talking about packs you win in tournaments n shit cause they are tradable. i.e. that pack could guarantee you 1 good card instead of 10 retarded ones

dat 4 prizes with galvantula

spiders dominating the tcg yknowhatimsayin

>>29159327
Note that if the market is functioning correctly then on average opening a pack shouldn't harm or help you.
It's clearly not though (see: RS being 1.5 packs sometimes and 2 others)

>>29152336
>the guy who's commentating
jesus christ

>>29159268
"YOU HAVE A GOOD DECK!" Hurts my feefees way more than somone bothering to insult my shit in regular chat. Something about being completely unable to retaliate properly.

>>29159749
I use it as a gg sort of thing

>>29159732
Remember, this guy's considered a premier streamer and one of the most influential people in the community now that Pooka's gone.
It would be so easy to put together a half-decent youtube channel considering your competition would be this fuck and Dark fucking Integral. Maybe I should put one together.

>>29159782
Do it, faggot!

>>29159732
his yt videos..
>all right, allrighty, all right
basically says all right 5 times per minute and sounds super excited when talking about boring shit happening in hes match, super annoying.

>>29159749
fucking THIS, I'd rather hear anything else than the emotes and default chat messages that we currently have.

Are enhanced hammers actually really valuable? Is it impossible for me to pick up a set of 4 for a single pack?

>>29160428

You should be able to, but why? Even in enhanced hammer's heyday, you wouldn't play more than 2.

How come RNG hates me so much? 2 tournaments in a row now that I lost because opponent always draw the card they need when they're losing.

FUCK N

>>29161426
>brick for 5 turns at the start of all three rounds
>win anyways because my opponent bricks at the end

>>29161463
Basically me in every tournament

>need one last card for deck
>the trade won't go through

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>>29160428
They're essentially vendor trash. People who open packs have dozens of them, but the demand is too low for them to get rid of the hammers.

>Gyarados on stream
Let's see what this bullshit is about

>>29162476

He got pretty lucky with the 2 cards he got from that N, but the deck played pretty well.

Not sure how much of that was because his opponent didn't realise what was going on though. Maybe game 2 will be a bit different.

>>29162785
What did it do that caught the opponent by surprise?

>>29162806

Evan didn't seem to know exactly what Gyarados' attack did. As soon as Addison played it, Evan picked it up and read it really closely.

He might have known the general effect, but I'm not sure he realised it could OHKO his Mega Mewtwo.

>that meme Gyarados deck

>>29162987
Eh, it relies on the opponent's deck being complete shit.

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Hopefully someone here will find use out of this.

>>29163308
>e10+
wait what?

>>29163308
the newsletter out? I can't find it

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>>29163308

Since Gengar is about to return to standard, is there any deck that could use him now that Trev is gone?

>>29164845
It wasn't good in Trev in the first place.
If you want to force the meme, options include:
>Wobbuffet
>Yveltal
>Flygon EX
>Meowstic EX
>Froslass
>Promo Celebi

>>29164895
Gengar/Trev was competitive before Trev Break existed.

>>29164922
For maybe one regionals when PHF came out.
Trev was fine before that, and the Shaymin build was better after that. Then we got the Break.

Two games in a row I played against volcanian and two games in a row I won because they played Hoopa, mismanaged energy and didn't give it a float stone. Feels goodman.

>>29165138
Mismanaging energy is crazy dangerous. Specially with the low amount of energy these people play with.

Newfag here, how do you tell what is real with the gen 1 cards?

>>29165596
Rip the card in half and if there's black line then its real

>>29165596
Dip just the tip of it in water. If the colors run it's fake

>>29165791
I'm not that new

>>29165596
Nothing is real.

>>29164845
>>29164895
>>29164922
>>29164951
Full on Gengar as an attacker was only good when Virbank was legal. Now I can see it as a 1-off in Creep Show Gengar decks, but nothing more. Which is awful as he's one of my favorites.

>>29166163
I mean that's legitimately a way you find out. Fakes don't have that line.

What does the tier list for Legacy look like right now? Months ago I thought it was
>Weavile/Eggs
>CelebiGen
>Ninetales/Amoonguss
>Deck and Cover
>Darkbox
-
>Plasmabox
>Tool Drop
>Ray/Eels
>Zebstrika
>Typhlosion
>Keldeo

Anything changed?

>>29168017
Ninetales, Darkbox, and Zebstrika shouldn't be on any list.
Plasmabox is easily the most popular by far.

>>29168038
Popular doesn't mean much when it loses to everything put above it.
>Ninetales and Darkbox shouldn't be on the list
Why? Both are really powerful and have great matchups all around.

When will Standard be tickets again?
I don't want to play this meme 24 ticket shit

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>Drew every single basic energy in your deck on the first three turns

>>29168138
>next draw is a sycamore

>>29168138
I don't see the issue here, you have a three-draw Shaymin in hand and you haven't found your Rod yet

>>29168155
Shaymin was prized :^)

>>29168238
>He only packs one shaymin

>>29169290
>two prized shaymin.

Sometimes, you are meant to lose.

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My locals have tournaments in Unlimited format but only Common/Uncommon Pokémon are allowed. I'm gonna make a deck around this guy. What ya think?

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>>29169374
And this to put damage on everyone. By "each Defending", it means Opponent's Defending & Benched, right?

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>>29169374
>>29169384
And another cool thing is that EX Magma Vs. Aqua and Double Crisis cards can support eachother

>>29169384
Each defending pokemon means if there are more than one defending pokemon aka opponent's active pokemon. Because there used to be a double battle format back then

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>>29169472
Ah, oh well. There's still Claydoll's Clay Curse, Baltoy's Night Attack, Magma Pointer of course, and Aron's Dig Under.

Sorry for flooding this thread with my bullshit, but anyone know any other cards that can damage the bench like this?

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>>29169632
This card... sorry

>>29169374
I'm holding a tournament with those rules in a few weeks, the idea being that the new players who just started at my university can play with just a cut down theme deck or fifteen-year-old cards and not be thrashed too badly by invested players.

Although I'm sure a Night March deck fuelled by Base Set Professor Oaks isn't a great thing to allow legal.

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>>29169647
Ok last post, this works.

>>29169667
That's cool to hear! It's getting more popular. Question though, do you allow trainers of any rarity? Or do trainers have different rarity? I'm kinda dumb.

>>29169683
From what I've seen, very few trainers are higher than Uncommon, other than full art cards, so ultimately the decks would probably be won by people who have the Uncommon but still relatively valuable trainer cards (vs seeker, trainer's mail, Lysandre etc.)

The bigger problem is allowing Gen 1 trainer cards, which were often ridiculously overpowered.

>>29169683

Trainers do have the same rarities as Pokemon, but in recent times Trainers that are Rare or above are not that common besides Full Art Supporters or Secret Rare Items

>Allowing any rarity for Trainers from any set
>4 Base Set Computer Search and Item Finder each

ohboyherewego.jpg

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>>29169647
Alakazam EX, in conjunction with Mega Alakazam EX, sort of does the same thing. It doesn't place damage counters on all Pokémon, but it deals more damage to two individual ones instead.

>>29169749
He said C/UC only dweeb.

>>29169776
Oops, didn't realize that it was the same guy. Sorry.

>trades go best at fucking 2 AM
???

>>29169806
Don't be sorry, your contributions are still appreciated.
-C/UC guy

>>29170003
>cuck guy

>>29170045
I know what I meant for you to read. :^)

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>doing evolution challenge with a no-energy deck
>tfw face off against someone with a no-energy deck

https://www.reddit.com/r/pkmntcg/comments/57q1pu/discussion_orlando_regionals_top_32/

thoughts?

>>29171058
>6 MMewtwo
>5 Darkrai/Giratina
>4 Despair Ray M Garveoir
>4 Greninja Break
>3 Vileplume
>2 Yveltal
>2 Volcanion
>2 RR
>1 Brilliant arrow M Gardevoir?
>1 Raichu
>1 M Fug
>1 Gyarados

I'm surprised not a single Scizor made it in.

>>29171140
what is M Fug?

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>>29171418

>>29171058
>thoughts?
that anon who was harping on about how DarkTina is fucking stupid and pointless since rotation sure is quiet.

Orlando stream when

>>29148587
Wait i just realized Lunalas atack may be balanced, it just forces evolutions to be more played.

>>29169374
Just play nightmarch or durant, you need too many cards for this deck to work.

https://www.youtube.com/user/teamfishknuckles/live
day 2's live btw, volc just beat gren 2-0, heard next game on stream is gyarados

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>>29169547
If you're going to do this, then do it in style.

Anyone has a good MMewtwo list?

>>29174203
>I want to play this sort of deck.
>Don't. Go play nightmarch.

This is why nobody likes nightmarch players.

I miss some of the graveyard interactions last standard had. Doesn't feel like there's any downside to running 4 hammers in most decks

>games frozen up twice where neither player could make actions and neither player's time ticks down
>both close games
I guess I should just concede or hope my opponent concedes immediately to item lock to get ladder points if the game doesn't work properly

>>29171058
>Raichu/Bats

need list

>>29171058
Is this the least diverse top 32 we've ever seen?

I am so fucking sick and tired of this game's fuckawful shuffling. No excuse to miss 4 Elixirs with no energy on the field or N into the same exact cards over and over.

>>29177566

Not even close.

faminmain 1. DarkTinaGarb 2. Vileplume Toolbox 3. M Mewtw Y Garb 4. Yveltal-EX/Garb 5. Volcanion-EX 6. DarkTinaGarb w/Greedy Dice 7. M MewtwGarb 8. DarkTina

from the live chat

>>29171140
>I'm surprised not a single Scizor made it in.
You shouldn't be. No one sane thinks that's a good deck. It's another example of poorfag shitposting.

>>29178529
gr8 h8 m8. I consistently beat most deck with it. I guess they were expecting a lot of Volcanion, the deck's only big weakness

>>29178529
>says this while cheap as fuck gyarados is in the list.

>>29178561
>I consistently beat most deck with it.
No you don't, because you haven't topped at the first major Standard tournament.
Unless you mean online, in which case you're retarded.

>>29178592
If Gyarados is on the list but Scizor isn't, what does that say about the deck?

>>29178640
This isn't magic. I'm not gonna travel for a fucking pokemon tournament. I have friends with T1 deck I can playtest with

>>29178678
Why did you claim you're beating most decks with it if you're not even playing the game?

>>29178640
It's one regionals you mongoloid.

>>29178699
Yes, and Scizor has 0/1 Regionals tops.

>>29178693
Bait harder you dumb fuck

>>29178730
Not bait at all. You made a stupid claim that was disproven before you even posted it.

Why does everyone seem to take 30 minutes to so much as flip a coin let alone make actual plays tonight?

>>29171140

>Having at least 8~10 different types of decks making Top 32
>Least diverse

laughingtrainers.gif come back when there is nothing but 2 deck types taking the majority of a Top 32

>>29178915
I hope you're not thinking when its not your turn, anon. That's against the rules.

>>29178640
Oh, it's "experiences don't matter" shitposter-kun. Wew, for a second I thought I was dealing with someone rational.

I want to fap every time I play Skyla

>>29179554
I could play one million games against a drooling retard online, that "experience" doesn't magically mean a deck is good. It doesn't matter what you want to call it, it's useless.

Your pet deck flopped hard in the first tournament of the season.

Orlando's results are way I kept shitposting about how "opinion tiers" are retarded and unhelpful and the only thing that matters is actual results. While everyone was on point that MMewtwo was the deck to beat and MFug was overrated,

>Scizor is the ultimate antimeta deck, it beats everything but Volcanion
>0 Scizor tops

>Volcanion is slow and inconsistent and just dies to Garbodor
>2 Volcanion tops

>item lock is dead, no good vileplume partners without compressor
>3 Vileplume tops

>M gardevoir is trash, gets shit on by Scizor and only wins against Mewtwo
>4 Gardevoir tops (maybe 5)

And my personal favorite
>Greninja is dead, no more poorfag deck, can't win against garbodor and everything has huge hp now
>4 Greninja tops

>>29179726
The joke is, your opinion is based on imcomplete data. How many of those decks entered? Who piloted them? Its very possible that zero scizor decks top if the better pilots are playing other things or there just aren't any scizor entries. Additionally, Volcanion is very common and popular so its very likely that a number of those scizors simply ate the Volc/Typhlosion countermeme.

Its pretty easy to act smug about such a small sample.

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>beat M-Two mirror with Trubbish because he didn't draw DCE and I kept Acid Spraying him and discarding the energies

>>29179875
The biggest difference here is that his "opinion" is based on DATA. Sure, it's only a single tournament, but it's still a TOURNAMENT.

Meanwhile, YOUR opinion and all the other shitters posting here have ZERO EVIDENCE AT ALL to back their claims. You can kick and scream and whine and complain all you want, having even a single piece of objective, non-negotiable evidence ALWAYS trumps having NOTHING, period.

Man, I'm a good 4 sets behind on PTCGO right now, i think Ancient Origins was the last set I traded for,

Playing catch up is gonna be a chore.

>>29180247
>based on DATA
Yes and? Its still a fallacious conclusion based on incomplete information. You're too far up your own ass with this "us vs them" thing you can't think objectively.

>>29180413
>Your claims have zero backing data
>His claims have "incomplete" data, but data nonetheless
>"These two claims have equal weight, but mine might be more right" -You, being retarded

as a fairly recent player, how did you guys even enjoy playing last format? like, fuck item lock lel, yknowhatimsayin?

>>29180544
We played item lock

Just gonna chime in and say I took a M Scizor deck to a UK tournament, just some local thing that attracted quite a big crowd from around England, and saw 2 others with M Scizor. 1 of them ended up unbeaten, and there were multiple M Mewtwo, 1 M Gard, a few Greninja Breaks, a Darkrai/Giratina and some other shit, even a Rainbow Road. No Volcanion though. I didn't play much myself, though. I know it's not comparable to Regionals in the US, but I don't think you can disregard M Scizor for it. Save rash judgements for later, nobody here is an analytic genius.

>>29180247
Not the guy you were talking too, and I don't really care about the tierlist of decks either.
But I feel like I need to say that there is nothing more dangerous that someone confident on an opinion based on not enough data.

This is the reason you see those stupid headlines of inconclusive studies with a really small sample sizes.

With your data analysis process we can conclude that having a playmat is a good strategy, because most of the tops have one.

Guessing the top decks from a small sample of PTCGO games is equally invalid though.

>>29180713
No one's arguing against this being a single tournament's worth of data.

The point is that there are two camps here: one with "insufficient" data, and one with NO data.
Do you know what's more dangerous than making claims off "insufficient" data? Making claims with literally ZERO data that go objectively AGAINST what little we already have.

And I keep putting insufficient in quotes because it's not like this tournament's results will magically stop counting once more are in. This data is 100% valid no matter how much people disagree with it.

Which AOR Gyarados are they using in the Orlando Regional?

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this card has been very clutch for me

>>29180431
That's not how it works, but you're free to continue being retarded on your own time.

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>>29180924
The Ancient Trait one.
Use Team Magma's Secret Base to put damage counters on your Magikarp. With three on the bench, that's 210 damage for a single DCE, plus another 20 damage from Magma Base since it affects your opponent as well. You also have Theta Double to attach multiple Busting Balloons, Assault Vests, or whatever other tool you think is worth it.
He used a teched Meowstic EX to do the final 10 damage to M Mewtwo and other Megas for whenever Magma Base missed.

>>29181016
Link me to ANY objective, undeniable evidence that shows M Scizor is a viable deck worthy of being on the tier list.

I can link to evidence that shows it's not.

>>29180829
This poor chap's a product of the American political system I bet.

>>29180247

>The biggest difference here is that his "opinion" is based on DATA. Sure, it's only a single tournament, but it's still a TOURNAMENT.

This is a good point - results from official tournaments are relevant data. However, he could well be ascribing too much weight to one data point. He may well be right, or this could be an outlier.

>a single piece of objective, non-negotiable evidence ALWAYS trumps having NOTHING

I can't agree with this, unless you consider the significance you give that one piece of evidence.

Let's say I told you I could say a magic word that would make an ordinary coin land on heads every time. If I flipped heads on the first try and claimed this as proof, you wouldn't believe me. It's still a piece of non-negotiable evidence, it just doesn't mean much in isolation.

I think you definitely need to consider other points, such as:

- how many people played Scizor
- whether the 'good' players used Scizor

>>29179726

The other, non-Scizor, points are far more convincing. It shows that they were played and were successful. The presence of these decks is more solid evidence than the absence of Scizor.

I'm not necessarily arguing for Scizor here. I don't use Scizor and don't even play the TCG irl. I'm just a maths undergrad seeing people drawing too strong an opinion from insufficient data.

>>29180924
Full Retaliation.

>>29180328
It's not that hard actually.

>>29181018
>>29181088
Thanks anons, if you would be so kind, is there a list I can take a look at?

>>29181063
>Let's say I told you I could say a magic word that would make an ordinary coin land on heads every time. If I flipped heads on the first try and claimed this as proof, you wouldn't believe me. It's still a piece of non-negotiable evidence, it just doesn't mean much in isolation.
This analogy doesn't fly because I would be coming into that wager with pre-established knowledge on both the inexistance of magic and how coins work. More importantly, in that analogy, I'm trying to prove something wrong or right, whereas analyzing tournament results doesn't work that way.

Tournament results don't magically get discarded or ignored once new ones come out. New tournaments don't "disprove" old ones. If Scizor goes on to top the next tournament, we won't say "oh, Orlando doesn't count any more, let's delete that data". We'll say Scizor has now topped 1/2 tournaments, and we'll look at the next several to see if it's consistent. Only after several tops can one admit a deck is objectively good.

The issue is, though, that Scizor is currently sitting at 0/1 tops. Even if we discover that only bad players (or even literally no one) brought Scizor to the event, that still outs that top players didn't think it would be good enough.

More importantly, saying something like "there were no good pilots for X deck, so it didn't top" or "people just didn't bring X deck to the tournament" holds NO WEIGHT because that very same argument can be used for any other given deck. It doesn't have to be Scizor, you can apply the same logic to an Excadrill/Eons deck, or Dragon Fug, or M Ampharos. Imagine if I had said
>If Jason Klaczynski and ten other people brought a Beheeyem Break deck to Orlando, I'm sure it would have dominated the tournament! I'm sure it would have won, I win all the time on PTCGO with it!
You'd call me retarded because that's not how this works at all. At the end of the day, you're holding your own personal opinion over objective facts.

>>29176065
fuckin perfect, thank you.

>>29181418

>At the end of the day, you're holding your own personal opinion over objective facts.

m8, read the spoilered text. I literally do not care whether you think Scizor is good or not.

>Only after several tops can one admit a deck is objectively good.

I would agree. The problem is that >>29179726 is suggesting that 1 tournament proves that Scizor isn't good. Again, spoilered text - I'm not suggesting Scizor is/isn't good; I'm saying that forming your opinion now is pointless.

>This analogy doesn't fly

I know, but I couldn't quickly think of a more comparable analogy.

So is AO Gyarados actually good or is it just a meme deck that is possible due to the amount of because of Volcanions? It seems like quite a bit of setup for the payoff.

>>29181946
It's better than MScizor

>>29181980
lmao nice one

also my boy yveltal stay winning

>>29181946
It seems pretty fragile. Once you lose Gyarados you'll need to Super Rod it and the Magikarp back, search the Magikarp and play it to proceed. In theory this would be easy but you'll be dependent on Super Rod and Ultra Ball to get what you need when you need it. Plus if you run out of stadiums you just lose.

Overall it's a meme deck and nothing else but it certainly has win potential. It reminds me a bit of Mew/Shedinja.

>>29182097
Pretty neat though that a Gyarados deck depends so much on super rod

>>29181946

Like I mentioned here >>29162785 >>29162877, the deck could be doing well simply because people aren't sure what it does/how to play against it.

It does seem like a lot of work and require a decent amount of luck. The Magikarp are really fragile - they may only have 10HP when they hit the board.

>>29182128
Yeah that is actually cute.

I forgot about Dive Ball, so I guess searching would never be a problem, but fishing out your Super Rod continuously (or using Karen I guess?) seems like it could be a problem.

>>29182097
>>29182128

From what I saw on the stream, Buddy-Buddy Rescue seemed to be relied on more heavily than Super Rod.

>>29182097

>Super Rod and Ultra Ball
>Ultra Ball

Dive Ball.

>>29182198

Also, Puzzle of Time in addition to B-BR.

new

>>29182673
>>29182673