Guaranteed Ubers: Solgaleo, Lunala, Magearna Guaranteed OU:

>>29108084
Guaranteed for having zero game knowledge

>>29108084
Guarantee op is a faggot

You forgot about the leaks.

Guaranteed OU: Robingroot

Guaranteed NU: Luchalitten

Guaranteed PU: Poppmaid

>>29108084
>Doubles ability
>Ubers
Here's your (You)

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>>29108084
>Ubers
>Lunala

Guaranteed RU: Jararanga

>>29108242
Invert that list.

>>29108264
Nah, he's not guaranteed for a tier until we know his speed tier. He could be pretty good, at least UU/BL.

Ninetails is going to be stuck in BL hell. Great offensive typing but too many obstacles in ou.

>>29108264
If its move pool is decent and its speed is at least base 100, it should be at least UU

>>29108284
Nothing with a 4x fairy weakness will ever be even remotely 1% viable in any metas (except those that ban fairy type pokemon and moves, though they don't exist).

>>29108332
Do you people never switch?

>>29108332
>what is hydreigon
>used often in vgc
>top of uu, decent in ou

i hate fuckin memers

>>29108332
Hydreigon?

>>29108332
Soundproof does help though. Azumarill still fucks it up. Mega Mawile could just stay uber. What other threats are there?

>>29108358
Sometimes I wonder if they are joking but then I remember I'm in a course for autism101 here on 4chan

I wouldn't say Magearna is guaranteed Uber if only because it could end up with Diancie stats.

>>29108332
>I don't competitive
I'm not amazed that one wrestlers guy whiped the floor with this board.

>>29108370
Hyper voice users use Psyshock as well for coverage (Malt also uses Return and can always use Dragon Pulse if special). Clefable, Tapu Koko, Diancie, Florges, coverage moves, etc..

>Lunala
Not to parrot the "Gastly used Lick!" meme, it has two 4x weaknesses to fairly common types, both of which have priority; Its own typing isn't that great offensively or defensively either. Even with its multiscale clone, I feel it's going to be OU.

>Mimikyu
While its ability sounds great, we don't know if it only works once per battle, or if it refreshes every time it enters. Regardless, if it lacks the stats or utility to make use of the free turn, I don't see it in OU.

>>29108446
Quite a few things. Dragon/fighting would have been fantastic offensively pre-fairy. Still pretty great.

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>>29108387
Eh, it might have around 80 to 90 base speed from looks of it since it has working legs unlike Diancie.

>>29108332
There's only 3-4 fairy types even good in any meta, fairy types don't dominate as much as you think only Clefable in smogon tiers I believe.

>>29108242
Probably most likely be inverse

>>29108242
I can't see any of the starters being PU. A starter has to be really bad to be PU. The only one that made it there is Meganium, and it's not even viable there.

>its a /vp/ pretends to know anything about competitive episode

>>29108084
Pikipek is getting skill link, that'll makes it RU at the very least

>>29108332
>he fell for the fairy is overpowered meme

>>29108561
>A starter has to be really bad to be PU
Sounds just like Poppmaid then!

>>29108398
>wrestlers guy
You mean American football player. I think.

>>29108587
>water type
>starter stats

It'll be very unlikely. Even Samurott, with all the things going against it managed to reach top tier NU. If anything, grass starters are the ones most likely to hit PU.

>>29108587
water/fairy is too good a type to be PU, especially with the BST of a starter

>>29108587
>Water/Fairy (which Chinese leaks states it has) is a great typing
>has well allocated stats for said typing
(You)

>>29108577
That's why a RU shitmon became S tier in OU once it became fairy

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Anon your bias is showing

>>29108084
Tapu Koko will be very useful in VGC imho.
Figure a tag with alolan Raichu.

>>29108561
Torterra and Pre-HA serperior are PU too.

>Lunala will linger in OU for a month before getting the boot for its stallbreaking skills
>Solgaleo will immediately leave OU just for being an immense tank
>Mimikyu will jump around tiers before finally landing in BL3

>>29108645
Torterra is NU now. And yeah, Serperior before Contrary was really shitty.

>>29108601
Ex-Football player, he's a wrestler now

>>29108628
clefable was the perfect storm of type, stats, ability and moves. and it's literally only that way in smogon's metagame because of them allowing access to softboiled from gen 3 tutors. and because magic guard dumps on stall and entry hazards, once again two things very relevant to smogon's metagame but not really cart gameplay/vgc.

did you see wigglytuff and mr mime suddenly jumping to uu or ou? no you don't. stop being an idiot.

>>29108667
>He think the Pokemon with perfect neutral coverage (Bar Pyroar) and a free sub won't be OU.
le_seinfeld_man_in_batting_cage.shig

>>29108460
>any cover legend
>not ubers
InB4 Kyruem-B
>literally no good ice type moves

>>29108628
Azumarril only made it to OU because it finally got a half decent physical move. Most people just spam Aqua Jet anyways

>>29108689
I saw Azumarill, Gardevoir, Togekiss, Granbull and Whimsicott jump a tier or two though.

>>29108698
It won't if it has Spinda-Tier stats
And let's be honest, Mimikyu isn't going to have more than 450 BST. It's a gimmick mon.

>>29108698
>focus sash Memechu
>has TWO focus sashes

How will they stop him? If it gets any boosting or support moves at all it will be fucking amazing. Lead Tyranitar will become a thing in VGC in particular just for sashbreaking him.

>>29108563
Better then smogon pretends to know everything.
Tangrowth took them awhile.

>>29108242
Luchalitten would be UU only if it has Blaziken tier stats and more than 80 speed. It would be similar to Houndoom but more Attack and bulk. Poppmaid will be a special Azumarill. It will be UU at worst and BL at best. If Robingroot has no coverage but STAB it might be NU.
>>29108605
Samurott is actually pretty damn viable in RU. Its only NU because of usage.

>>29108744
ok? what's the point there? should there be no fairies in higher tiers or something? of course if a type is useful it'll move up.

tangrowth and amoonguss also moved up two tiers after being ru in gen v and most of gen vi. do you think grass is a broken type too now?

>>29108460
>Lunala weak to priority
This and it's pretty much easy to counter it with a pursuit user.

>>29108772
Well, I'm not saying Samurott is unviable in RU. It's more known for that it does in NU though, even if it works in a higher tier.

>>29108667
Solgaleo might be instabanned unless it has no physical coverage moves for Steel types.

>>29108770
Multi hit moves might break Mimmikyu's ability and then the focus sash

>>29108807
>Tangrowth
Walls all the incredibly strong ground types in the tier while providing knock off support and utility.
>Amoonguss
Counters Azumarill, synergizes well with most stall teams and provides some utility but it's mostly used because of how cancerous Azumarill is.
You know, a fairy.

>>29108917
i don't need them explaining thanks. all you're saying is that it's a combination of their attributes in relation to the metagame that allows them to be useful and caused them to move up. which oh that sounds familiar, just like the older mons who were retconned to fairies and now see more use. how surprising.

you're literally not proving any sort of point you know that right? especially when you dodge the topic to explain two grass types which were just an example of you using flawed logic and not a point of contention.

>>29108807
You are really bad with comparisons, mate. Tangrowth and Amoongus have nothing to do with the argument.

>>29109090
>anon argues a shitmon moved up from ru to ou because epic broken fairy type boogeyman
>gives example of two other pokemon who moved from ru to ou and yet aren't broken

yeah that's right it's such a terrible comparison and makes no sense. try samefagging harder retard.

>>29109065
Yes and in the metagame fairy type is overpowered due to its many resists to common types and weaknesses to uncommon ones so after gaining that type they gained more usage.

>>29109129
it's not broken. which fairy types are broken exactly anon? if the type is such a huge problem surely there's an endless list of broken fairies?

you could argue that pixilate hyper voice in doubles is annoying but that's because those abilities give an extra boost that's unnecessary. but other than that i don't agree.

if anything i'd just argue we need some more poison types rather than game freak ignoring them every generation lately.

I think fairy is a bit too strong but it's balanced out by the terrible shitmons it's often attached to.

I get that you need a strong counter to the 600+ BST monster dragons mashing outrage over centralizing everything but now you have belly drum aqua jet shenanigans doing exactly what the dragons did last generation.

They need to retcon ghosts or poison types to straight up have an immunity to fairy damage but pixilate return/hyper voice/quick attack is just fucking terrible.

>>29109126
See, you're doing it again. Other pokemon moving up in tiers is in no way a counterargument against Fairy being overpowered as a typing. How is Amoongus moving up a tier supposed to be any proof against Fairy being a ridiculusly strong typing? It isn't, it's not related in any way.

It's a fact that Fairy is ridiculously good on paper. Slapping Fairy on any given Pokemon is pretty much the best buff you can give if we talk typings. The reason why Fairy doesn't dominate is because it's held back by being a rare typing, typically run by small useless shitters.

>>29109299
>belly drum aqua
>water priority move

literally not fairy's problem. sure the fairy type on azu might give it more opportunities to drum, but if it sets up it's clicking aqua jet the majority of the time because it's slow and has near half health.

azumarill could easily run drum/jet/knock/superpower if it wasn't a fairy and still be good, so it's not like the set only works because it's a fairy.

>Guaranteed Ubers:Magearna

Mew
Celebi
Jirachi
Deoxys(uber)
Manaphy
Darkai(Uber)
Shaymin(Uber)
Victini
Keldo
Meloetta
Genesect(Uber, maybe not anymore in SM)
Diancie
Hoopa(680 BST form is not traditional 600BST Mythical, though that shouldn't be Uber either)
Volcanion


I doubt it's Uber, could be though.

>Guaranteed high tier VGC: Oranguru
lol

More like Exists Only To Give Smeargle a New Toy.

>>29109299
>I think fairy is a bit too strong but it's balanced out by the terrible shitmons it's often attached to.
Fairy is so good it brought things like Clefable from the depths of NU to the best Pokemon in the whole OU metagame.

Xerneas was the king of Ubers during all of XY, finally dethroning Kyogre's long reign.

Fairy is such a ridiculously good type it hurts. I dread the day the stars align again and we get Garchomp Fairy Edition.

>>29109464
To be fair, Xerneas got one of the most broken boosting moves ever.

>>29109434
You forgot the part where Oranguru has Telepathy. Smeargle will kill himself.

Unless you thought of something I haven't.

>>29109364
holy shit you're an idiot. i already said like three times it was an example of flawed logic because you can't look at a mon moving up and solely decide WHY it moved up based on nothing but its typing which is all you're doing with clefable.

clefable moved up because of the metagame and because of other factors like its stats, abilities, moves and yes type. if it didn't have softboiled from a gen 3 tutor game in a fan created metagame it would not be fucking top of said metagame and would not be this boogeyman you're making it out to be. the typing isn't broken, it's the combination of everything else it has that makes it appear so.

i seriously can't argue this anymore. if you can't understand this i give in.

>>29109511
>Unless you thought of something I haven't.
Gee, how about, you know, using moves that DON'T also hit your side?

>>29109205
Diancie, Clefable (Even without softboiled that thing is a pain), M-Gardevoir, M-Mawile, Klefki, Sylveon, Azumarill, Togekiss

The combination of Fairy Type and the special bulk these things have make them really hard to take down unless you're carrying a strong physical attacker with SE moves (Which are rare for poison types who are mostly bulky defensive special attackers barring Gengar/Nidoking/Nidoqueen/Mega Bee).
These rare weaknesses are usually dealt with by using coverage moves available to them or by pivoting back to the incredibly common ground types.
Finding a window to set up is pretty easy for them due to how good of a defensive type it is and how bulky these mons tend to be, as well as due to many of them having cleric options.

>>29109464
xerneas is broken because of fairy aura and geomancy fucktard. quit your crying.

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>>29108535
>>29108269
I have faith in GameFreak's tendency to pamper their favorite starter. The archer owl is definitely the poster boy this time around: it's the sleek "cool" one, it has a built-in weapon, and Ash seems to be getting Rowlet in the anime. This is our new Greninja, and I wouldn't be surprised if it gets some shiny toys as a result. Offensively, Grass/Flying isn't actually terrible. If it gets a halfway-decent Fighting move, good Attack and Speed, and an ability better than Keen Eye it has potential.

On typing and known spread alone Popplio3 is in the best starting position, true. Rowlet3 isn't doomed just because Tropius and Jumpluff suck. Doesn't mean it'll be as oppressive as Shaymin either, but GameFreak is really pushing this batch of starters as partners so I'd hope they work to make them respectable.

>>29109533
The moves that hit everyone outclass the few good ones that only hit adjacent foes. Seriously, tell me something I don't know?

>>29109513
>of other factors like its stats, abilities, moves
It had all of those in gen 5 and it was RU
>if it didn't have softboiled
It still has other recovery moves and can fulfill a shitton of other supportive roles now thanks to its newly gained resists.

>>29109554
yeah sorry dude but if you're telling me all those fairy types you listed are broken i'm not interested in discussing this because it's not true. maybe game freak will give you your wish. but i'm bowing out of this thread now.

>>29108698
It won't make a difference if it can't defend itself. Gimmicks like this aren't immune from having disparities that regular Pokemon get.

>>29108881
Hopefully being an emissary of the sun will grant it access to certain Fire attacks

>>29109609
Yeah man. I'm sure you'll be killing all those flying types and other Pokemon with levitate only by spamming Choice Band Earthquake. You are the new Ray Rizzo, Wolfe and Cybertron combined. Can't wait to see you winning Worlds next year.

>>29109389
Azumarill was UU before Fairy, with the same non-Fairy movepool and abilities.

>>29109648
Didn't BellyJet become a legal combination only this gen?

>>29109630
yes but if it was pure fairy without those stats and abilities it would not be ou. look at aromatisse for example. it's not the typing that makes it so good, it's everything about it. it was the perfect storm of attributes.

its other recovery is wish, which generally suck if you're not chansey or alomo. or moonlight which has 5pp and is nerfed under sand which is everywhere in smogon's metagame. don't give me that shit because it's wrong.

>>29109661
Yes, that's when both parents can give the child egg moves, making it possible for Pokemon to carry multiple egg moves.

>>29109554
It sounds like you hate the idea of any fairy being even remotely good.

>>29109434
if they give him enough bulk and some support moves I can see him being used, then again mons that are designed to do one signature thing end up being pretty useless.

>>29109681
>those stats
Clefable isn't very impressive statwise either.

>>29108460
>Has a move that negates abilities like mold breaker
>Multiscale clone
>680 BST
>Only 2 weaknesses
>Will be OU because of "Hur Dur! 2 4x weaknesses. Can't possibly be good"

>>29109681
You talk about its stats like they are good when none of them are above 100. Wish is good enough on a set up sweeper like that and even sees use in tourneys (I think ABR used Wish Clefable the other day) Moonlight may be weak under sand but Clef can punish TTar switch ins easily.

>/vp/ actually thinks that Solgaleo and Lunala will be in OU for just one minute

I know that /vp/ did try to argue that Yveltal would be OU, but I am still shocked at the retardation.

>>29109799
>Tyranitar receives sandstorm special defense buff.
>Clefable used Focus Blast!
>It missed!

>>29109764
are you being purposely dense? i can't even tell if you're being like this on purpose.

it's the combination of EVERYTHING about it that makes it good not just one thing. it's bulk seems better than it is because it doesn't take entry hazard damage when it switches in like everything else, it also can't be stalled with status either, and on top it has useful resistances to common attacking types.

clef is good because of magic guard, because of pure fairy, because of softboiled, thunder wave, calm mind, flamethrower, stealth rock, knock off and so on. because of them all combined, not just because of fairy alone. again, see aromatisse for another supporting pure fairy type that is not even close to broken just because it's a fairy. if the typing was so good alone that it's breaking the game then aromatisse would be top of ou by your logic. but that's not how the game works.

>>29109899
Clefable used Thunder Wave!

>>29109831
>I know that /vp/ did try to argue that Yveltal would be OU, but I am still shocked at the retardation.
Yeah, we were going off of the Dark/Flying types that existed before Yveltal, which to be fair left a lot to be desired

Same thing now with Lunala, we're basing how well it will do off of a Pokemon that can get Ohko'd by Shuckle's Knock Off

>>29109831
vp is competitively illiterate. Solgaleo definitely shouldn't be on people's mind for being OU ever, but it's excusable to think Lunala would, despite it having Multiscale clones and a move that goes past Clefable's unaware.

>>29108084
>guaranteed OU
>mimikyu
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Speaking of fanfic and official metas:


Also most of Alola mons are VGC worthy with shit like auto electric terrain Koko and Raichu.

Lycanroc Midday is RU / NU, clearly has only Howl or Hone Claws as boosting move. This garbage isn't worthy of use despite the rock priority.

Magearna is OU or banned from UU.
It's pretty much Diancie and other pixies tier.

>>29109903
Clefable had access to all the abilities and moves (except Fairy) it now commonly runs back in gen 5, and nobody gave a shit. The type change singlehandedly made it far better.

Nobody is saying you can just slap Fairy on Ferfetch'd and expect it to wreak havoc, people are saying that relative to other typings, Fairy is really powerful. Excellent defense, great offense, you can't go wrong slapping Fairy on a mon if you want to buff it.

>>29109980
People are only saying it will be OU because of how similar it is to Metagross

>>29110070
I think it will be a special attacker and faster Metagross or Jirachi, probably CM.

It's not a great type since the Steel nerf, Sucker Punch, Shadow Sneak etc.

I'm sure it will have access to Will-O-Wisp despite the meme typing, and even to non STAB fire attacks so it won't be walled by Ferrothorn let's say.

With the average cover legendary stats it's safe to assume it may turn a decent mixed attacker too.

Also confident some fanfic meta so called ubers may drop to OU for once.

>>29108084
>Tapu Koko
>OU
If it's got good Special Attack and Speed like almost every other Electric-type ever, it's a safe bet for Ubers. Electric Terrain boosted Electric moves + Fairy STAB or Nature's Madness for fucking up Ground-types is going to make it a hassle and a half to deal with in OU. Especially if the thing gets Nasty Plot.
>>29109427
>>29109982
In OP's defense, none of the other pixies had what is statistically the best defensive type combination in the game, a Fairy-type Draco Meteor, or a Special Attack variant of Moxie, to say nothing of having all three at once.

>>29110182
Fairy type is definitely a bless for Magearna, assumining it gets Moonblast or at least a guaranteed Dazzling Gleam the only thing it may hope is either shit speed to abuse Trick Room or Rock Polish / Autotomize.

However it still seems to be OU material at best.

>>29110058
yeah pure fairy is better than pure normal, no shit there friendo tell me something that isn't obvious. you know pure steel is better than normal too right? obviously getting a type that's more useful is going to increase its usage.

and yes, people in this thread are saying you can slap fairy on anything and it makes it better. literally read the posts. i'm not saying fairy is not a good type because it clearly is, but it just isn't broken. and literally using clefable as an example it's broken is retarded because as clefable exists in smogon's fan metagame (yes, that's important here) it doesn't exist in the official one like that. it's nowhere near that level of dominance in the actual game ladders and vgc. so sorry if i don't take all this whining about clefable being an example of fairy being broken seriously.

>>29110159
If it just gets Flamethrower, that will be good enough

>Also confident some fanfic meta so called ubers may drop to OU for once.
If any 670+ Ubers will get dropped, i'm looking at either Hoopa-U again or Lugia

>>29110070
>>29110159
it will just be a better mega metagross. sure no tough claws and likely less speed but it can hold whatever item it wants, no restricting your mega choice and will probably have a massive movepool. things like morning sun, wisp, calm mind, roar, probably some fire coverage. i don't see it being good for ou at all and definite ubers material.

>>29110283
it may be dank with zard-y and friends
the psychic type still triggers me

>>29110337
hopefully it gets cosmic power. cosmic power + morning sun on a steel type sounds annoying outside of crits and stalling out of healing pp. maybe resttalk would be better for that though.

>>29110389
that's a meme set to be honest
i can see cosmic power being in the movepool
just not useful, jirachi misses stored power too
actually stored power just needs more pokemon lines that can learn it in general

>>29110159
It has Clear Body I doubt it'll be special because the whole point of the ability is to block Intimidate, also I'm pretty sure they made it to counter Xerneas competitively so it has to be physical.

>>29110463
Also it has the bonus now of blocking Sticky Web

Mimikyu has pretty poor attack for something that seems to be aimed towards physical attack. In thengerman battle royal demonstration it did around half to pikachu with shadow sneak, which I think I worked out to be around a base 75 attack stat.

>>29110684
*the German, oops

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>>29108084
Guaranteed banned by Smogon: Pyukumuku

>>29110790
Banned when all they're going to do is switch and let it die to stealth rock/toxic.

>>29109510
I usually instaquit whenever doing smogon random if the other guy has one.
Just why even bother.

>>29109464
Clefable always had potential. It just needed that one good buff.

>>29110684
This is why I think it'll evolve. None of its stats particularly stand out, and its ability doesn't even make up for that like Prankster does for Sableye and Klefki.

>>29109560
no luchalitten is obviously the new greninja. it had the most anime concept art ash was there with it in the art. I think it's safe to say ash will get litten.

he'll probably get all 3 this season anyway. he won't evolve the pooplio though because poopmaid is feminine and it would explain why "she" got the least amount of reference art.

it doesn't mean it has to be good either. Sceptile wasn't top-tier in competitive

>>29113777
>I think it's safe to say ash will get litten.
In your dreams.

>>29113798
lol no ash will get littne because its the manly one why the fuck wouldn't he?

well its not like the leaks are real anyway

>>29109765
Everyone has multiple Knock Off users on their tams, Pursuit Trapping is a thing, Gengar shits all over it too. Bishapr is the main reason Bulky Pschics need ot be fast to make it to OU (Reuniclus would be OU if not for Bishapr) so Lunala will neec to at least have speed and a coverage move for Bisharp. Remember, Baby Hoopa has OU tier stats and spread to be an amazing wallbreaker but its typing really hinders it severely.

>caring about Smogon and being a sheep and following their rules and tiers

>>29108284
Even if its speed is below 100, dragon dance will fix that.

>>29114180
>Being a contrarian with the mentality of a 3 years old

>>29114217
>if no one thinks like me are retarded
Imbecil

>>29108084
Type: Null gets Eviolite.
It's definitely going to be OU

>>29109464
I distinctly remember wrecking OU mons with Clefable back in Gen 4 just because of softboiled and magic guard. You're easily the most full of shit anon I have seen in this board.