>weak to Torterra's second STAB >weak to Infernape's

None of Sinnoh's starters were good.

>>29096987
Torterra is the worst battlewise
Monkey is the worst design wise.

>Stealth Rock
>Defog
>Scald

Its actually viable. It is leaps better than that shit mon Torterra.

>>29096987
Is that how people spell best nowadays?

>>29096998
Then how was Infernape OU in Gen 4?

>this starter is shit because the other two beat it 1vs1!
No.

>Faster than Torterra
>hits Torterra with 4x SE Ice Beam

You lost me.

>>29097055
Because it looked like garbage and Blaziken didn't have Speed Boost.

>>29097027
>being a utility cuck makes you better

I remember when I could use a torrent + sub + berry combo with Agility to sweep mofos without feeling bad about myself in gen 4

>>29096987
It's the worst starter period

>>29097055
Gen 4 OU was very different. Could you imagine a world where Dusknoir was OU? Or where using Substitute and a stat boosting berry was more than just a dumb gimmick?

>>29096998
seconding this

>>29097103
Best metagame.

>>29097088

Torterra does absolutely nothing, so yes. You can still run an Agility set, its not the greatest but it has solid coverage and decent SpAtk to do some damage or sweep late game.

>>29096987
>worst region ever
yea

>>29096987
>infernape
>destroyed by Torterras EQ
>killed by Empoleons water stab

JUST

>>29096987
I have never been more disappointed in a starter. and it had been my first pick and everything

>>29096987
>aqua jet for infernape
>any ice move for slow and shitty torterra
>good moveset overall
>resistant to like 2/3 of moves
>toxic immunity
>glorious steel penguin
Best water starter for best generation

>>29096987
Water steel is cash, just wish empoleon got roost and a better design

>>29097089
no, that's Pikachu from Yellow Version.

>>29096987
Best starters design wise