Why is it that when Pokémon games are easy, there is an outrage,

>>29084488
Pokemon is hard?

Only the collecting and competitive is.

>>29084488
Pokemon attracts more autists than Kirby does.

Kirby's postgame is usually a challenge though.

>>29084488
>implying there isn't a huge stigma against Epic Yarn for being easy
Also Kirby games do a fantastic job of having varied and interesting level design while still being easy, so you don't just feel like you're steamrolling everything like Pokémon can be.

Probably because the post-game challenges are difficult like The True Arena or obtaining all the collectibles. But idk, some people are retarded af, an example is all the bitching about the EXP.Share

An easy action/platformer is more fun than an easy menu-based game.

>>29084562
This.

File: how do I shrug without shoulders.png (54KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 500x500px

You shouldn't be comparing these two games.

Kirby was designed to be a simple platform that lets out destroy everything you see.

Pokémon, while still for beginners, wants you to go on a journey and face challenges along the way.

I still don't really give a shit about difficulty as long as the game is fun though.
I hated XY because the characters, region, and story was boring.

Kirby is not a strategy game like Pokemon. In Pokemon, all you do is go down a list and select move, nothing involving timing or button mashing like Kirby, which is fun, just select a move on a menu. So if it doesn't even have strategy and makes you think, then it's shit. That's my view on it.

You again?

copypasting my reply then
Kirby games are involving, have great level design and creative enemies

Pokemon games have dull and boring writing and tedious and unrewarding battles
You need difficulty here

>>29084488
Kirby games have always been easy. When kids who played the games grow up and buys the new Kirby, they already know how and when they actually become challenging.
Pokemon is only hard when people are young. When they grow up and buy a new Pokemon game, they expect it to be hard. By basing their perceptions on the games that they had a difficult time with when they were young, they expect difficulty, even though it wasn't really there in the first place.

Kirby games never skimp out on the post game. True Arena and even brand new modes which are almost games in of themselves are the norm nowadays, all of them pretty damn challenging. It really feels like Kirby games are evolving and learning from their previous iterations.

With Pokemon it's a fucking coin flip. Will there be a good post game? There was a great post game last game so there will be a great one this game right? WRONG. THERE ISN'T SHIT.

Gen 5 had decent balance. Will they take what they learned and apply it to Gen 6? NOPE. IT'S HORRIFICALLY EASY.

There's a thousand other things but the baseline is that Gamefreak doesn't learn.

Kirby is babby's first platformer. I haven't played every single Kirby game but the ones I have played give you infinite jumps. Infinite jumps in a platformer. You can float over everything. Kirby games have never been about providing a challenge.

Pokemon has also never been especially challenging, because it's babby's first turn based RPG. There's exceptions to this in battle frontier/post game stuff, but the same can be said about Kirby(for Kirby Super Star/Ultra at least)

The story/main game is never challenging for either game unless you're a child or you're brain dead.

>>29084776
I believe in the newer games that Kirby will drop after a certain time in the air.

>>29084674
>Kirby games are involving, have great level design and creative enemies
And you can skip pretty much 90% of those by floating.

>>29084754
>True Arena and even brand new modes which are almost games in of themselves are the norm nowadays, all of them pretty damn challenging.
The main game is piss easy though. Postgame doesn't make a game by itself.

Also Pokemon's "good" and "bad" postgame, i see nobody completing either of them, they just complain about how "hard" it is and how it "cheats".

>>29084544
>Kirby
>post game
You mean meta knight mode? The most tacked on game mode in video game history?

File: 8ad.jpg (421KB, 720x576px) Image search: [Google]

421KB, 720x576px

>>29084787

>>29084488
>Float+Rock= 99% of the game ded

File: 1475710392485.jpg (15KB, 480x162px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 480x162px

>>29084821
>And you can skip pretty much 90% of those by floating.

>>29084827
>New bosses and dialogue
>Tacked on

The only mode that was tacked on was the one in Nightmare in Dreamland.

>>29084827
Now now, anon. Gourmet race was more tacked on than that.

>>29084488
>Comparing Pokémon to motherfucking Kirby of all things

>>29084864
>implying that Rock is even close to as good as other abilities in terms of damage output and movement, which is what matters outside of boss battles

>>29084488
Because people feel that all the more complex/fine-tuned/nuanced mechanics that Pokemon employs for its interactive multiplayer scene would be better served in being relevant for doing single player shit.

I personally don't agree, but that seems like a reasonable train of thought.

>>29084868
>implying all the kirby levels in every game take place in rooms with block-your-path platforms

File: tumblr_o9wpkbLdsV1v2pzzno1_500.gif (1MB, 500x312px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 500x312px

>>29084827
There's also The Arena and the True Arena.
Also
>Not Iiking the part where Haltmann copies Dark Matter's Data and you have to fight him as Meta Knight
I nearly cried when I saw this, I usually don't let my nostalgia flood my thoughts but holy shit that fight was amazing.

>>29084902
And 70% of bosses get fucked by Rock, too.

>>29084864
>Use Stone on a boss.
>They stay in your face forever and it's impossible to change out of stone mode without taking contact damage.

Stone really isn't worth using in the KSS style games.

>>29084821
>And you can skip pretty much 90% of those by floating.

That's not true. I just finished beating Kirby Triple Deluxe and am now playing Robobot. You can skip over some stuff by floating but most of it is designed in a way that that's impossible. Also, you have to scavenge the levels in those 2 games for sun stones and cube codes in order to unlock the boss. And ofcourse you have to fight the boss. So no floating over everything. Not saying the games are hard, Robobot is alot easier than Triple Deluxe anyway but they're engaging because of the timing and scavenging and button mashing. Pokemon just has the option selecting battles. So to make them engaging you need to make it so people need to put some thought into their moves.

File: Drawcia_Bait.jpg (177KB, 485x271px) Image search: [Google]

177KB, 485x271px

>>29084933
>Implying they're all incredibly open and don't force you into situations where you can't just float by.
Super Mario World has more skipable sections than most Kirby games do.

>>29084934
>Spoilers the text
>Not the image itself

>>29084956
Stone isn't even fun to use.

File: bullshit.png (210KB, 599x428px) Image search: [Google]

210KB, 599x428px

>>29084979
I thought I did, fuck me.

File: maxresdefault.jpg (81KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

81KB, 1280x720px

>>29084956
>They stay in your face forever and it's impossible to change out of stone mode without taking contact damage.
FUCK OFF YOU LITTLE SHITS.

>>29085018
Dedede fights have always been good at keeping the player out of corners.

File: 1471209774967.jpg (45KB, 1031x586px) Image search: [Google]

45KB, 1031x586px

>>29084821
>And you can skip pretty much 90% of those by floating
If you want the game to take 5x the amount of time needed to complete it, sure. And that's not counting bosses, mini-bosses, rooms that require solving puzzles to pass, rooms with tight quarters...

>>29085018
Defeating them was so rewarding but

>>29084488
What is the worst ability and why is it Fire?

>>29084965
I haven't played those two games but it's pretty much a thing for other Kirby games outside mountainouts levels, which are always in "rooms".
Not mentioning how overpowered Tornado is in every single game(also the reason why it's not in the arena in SSU).

>>29085084
90% isn't 100%. The usual Kirby room isn't closed and the enemies can mostly be avoided.

File: pooh.gif (982KB, 320x287px) Image search: [Google]

982KB, 320x287px

>>29085018
>Tfw can beat the True Arena with relative ease except when it comes to this boss and Haltmann
I still find it easier than Triple Deluxe's True Arena despite other people saying the opposite.

Beating Pokemon and Kirby is easy

100%ing them is quite the challenge

>>29085108
>Not Ghost
It was fun but pretty useless

>>29085108
Fire is one of the best. You can just stand there spitting fire long distance without it stopping or you having to keep pressing the button.

File: 1473804105988.png (269KB, 850x850px) Image search: [Google]

269KB, 850x850px

>>29085115
Tornado isn't even IN Super Star Ultra.
In fact the latest game it was in was Return to Dreamland before fading back into obscurity.
I'm starting to think you don't know that you're talking about.

>>29085115
It'll still take an insane amount of time if you float over everything. Floating is the slowest possible movement option for a reason, it makes the game boring and slow as shit if you abuse it. Plus, a lot of bosses have ways to punish it.

>>29085140
The enemies moved slow as shit so it wasn't even fun.

>>29085126
How do you 100% complete a Pokemon game?

>>29085018
This piece of shit and Galacta Knight are the ones who always fuck me up in the True Arena.

>>29085108
>not Needle, Mini, or Metal

>>29085177
I thought it was pretty fun. Jumping makes you move pretty fast, the walking on the enemies is slow as shit, though, I will agree.

>>29085115
Out of curiosity, what Kirby games have you played? Because a lot of what you're talking about was addressed in those games. Even earlier than them on some points.

>>29085199
>Needle and metal
>Fucking invincible
>Not the best abilities

Unless you mean subjectively, in which case, they are pretty damn boring.

>>29085108
You mean Circus

>>29085160
Where did i mention it being in the game? I just mentioned it not being in the arena and how it was overpowered in every game it's in.

>>29085173
>Plus, a lot of bosses have ways to punish it.
Of course i agree with that, i was thinking more for the level itself than fight against mini/bosses.

>it makes the game boring and slow as shit if you abuse it
But easier than if you played normally.

File: This is fine.png (184KB, 381x366px) Image search: [Google]

184KB, 381x366px

>>29085119
I can beat most of it without too much trouble, but then I get to the Halberd section, and it all goes downhill, because I fucking suck at flying the Halberd.

>>29085280
>>it makes the game boring and slow as shit if you abuse it
>But easier than if you played normally.

That's the point. If you want to play the game in the easiest possible way, it punishes you for it by making it excruciatingly boring. Everyone knows the best way to play Kirby is to only float when you have to and otherwise play it like a normal platformer.

>>29085280
You saying it's not in the arena would imply it's in the game in the first place, since the arena holds every NEARLY ability you get in the game.
And it's only in eight games, three of which are spin offs.
Don't complain about a power up being strong in every game when it's not in every game and is pretty fucking rare.
Think before you post.

>>29084619
This.

X and Y was shit on every level, it's also just the most easy game in the franchise adding to the shittiness

>>29085257
I'll tell you my experience with Kirby is only based on the Kirby games i've played.

I played every platformer Kirby released before Squeak Squad(which i also didn't play), plus Canvas Curse, Dream Course, Air Ride, Fighters Deluxe and SSU as "spinoffs".

>>29085349
No.

>>29085108
Mini. It's definitely Mini. At least Metal makes you invincible. At least Bubble has use with Star Shot shenanigans. At least Copy has use on the Helper character, especially for fighting bosses. Mini literally only exists to solve a couple of very specific puzzles and that's it. It has absolutely no use otherwise. At least Clean could be used for combat.

File: anime mouse.gif (209KB, 340x340px) Image search: [Google]

209KB, 340x340px

>>29084488
Because Kirby's fun even when it's easy. When Pokemon's easy is just tedious.

>>29084488
Kirby is a side strolling action game and Pokemon is a turn based RPG. A game as slow as Pokemon gets tedious if you don't have to to think about anything for hours on end. Also Kirby games have awesome postgames.

>>29085291
MROWWWWW

>>29085115
have you... never played a kirby game past the gameboy ones?

>>29085392
>What is Light?

>>29085392
>Clean will never return


why even live

>>29085364
>TFW

Honestly the first Pokemon games I've ever disliked. I don't get how they could've messed up as badly as they did, X and Y are so barebones and piss-easy it hurts.

>>29085443
>Light
Fuck, you got me. Totally forgot about Light. That's how pointless it is.

>>29085443
>An ability that only appears in two rooms for one specific puzzle

File: 1420427444448.png (67KB, 142x255px) Image search: [Google]

67KB, 142x255px

>>29085445
>Yo-yo will never return.

Fuck Whip.

File: do_not_want.png (142KB, 371x440px) Image search: [Google]

142KB, 371x440px

>>29085371
>SSU is a spin off
Ok, here's my last (You).
If you're gonna complain about something, at least know what the fuck you're talking about before you do.
Otherwise it just makes you look like a fag.
I'm not gonna complain about the Hammer Bro suit for being broken in every game despite it being a rare power up in only in one game.

>>29085364
But HGSS is easier.

>>29085392
>>29085443
>>29085466
>>29085468
>not Sleep, the fucking hindering ability

>>29085492
Sleep heals in some of the games. Light and Mini are genuinely useless outside of puzzles.

>>29085477
Holy shit this. But seeing as they brought back Mirror and Jet, there's at least some hope.

>>29085492

Sleep is worth it for sheer adorableness.

What's the best ability for True Arena in SSU? Getting memed on.

>>29085480
It certainly isn't a "main" Kirby game, it's a collection of macrogames that also includes the usual adventure.

>>29085521

Plasma for safe distance projectile spamming.

Hammer for huge damage if you're willing to risk being up close and personal for Hammer Flip.

>>29085492
No, but it's unfair to count Sleep when it was literally designed to be useless as opposed to some of the other ones, which at least ostensibly you're supposed to be able to use. It's like complaining that Splash is bad: that's the point.
>>29085519
Also this.

>>29085521
Fire, Hammer, or Yo-Yo.

>>29085477
>Yo-Yo didn't return in Robobot
>Spear was removed

just kill me now senpai

>>29085521
I liked Jetpack. You get great mobility with the dash jet and charge jump, ranged damage from the sonic boom, a throw, good damage between the sonic boom and throw, and the dash seems like it has a few invincibility frames for shenanigans.

File: Coolspook.png (98KB, 329x480px) Image search: [Google]

98KB, 329x480px

>>29085519
If that's the case then Light is worth it for this smug fuck. I mean it's fucking called COOL SPOOK.

>>29085521
Hammer.

>>29085492
You don't have to like the point of the Sleep ability for it to have a point. I mean, sure, nobody except a child is going to fall for the Noody trick more than once, but it's use in challenges RtDL-onwards helps give it a real point. Also it heals in some games.

>>29085588
>Out of hecks to give

>>29084488

Kirby has good level design for the most part, and Kirby's "challenge" comes from 100% it and from The Arenas.

Pokemon's challenge outside of PvP comes from the Hax Facilities in which you get bullshitted by OHKO Walreins or the AI makes teams tailor made to counter yours as your streak goes up.

File: KA_Cool_Spook.png (31KB, 148x184px) Image search: [Google]

31KB, 148x184px

>>29085445
>will never get Kirby GCN which had a KSS-styled Clean ability
It hurts.

>>29085551
Speaking of Planet Robobot, why wasn't Laser brought back for it? Would've been the perfect game to. At least UFO and Spark Armor are in the game, I guess.

>>29085588
>Not the superior Fez Spook

>They will never touch on Nightmare ever again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgEfy2yNjnY

>>29085672
>Gim, the one robot, enemy didn't return
>Laser didn't return
>The Computer Virus and Heavy Lobster didn't appear

I love Robobot, but there was some missed opportunities here.

>>29085675
I mean they brought back Dark Meta Knight and Dark Matter so who knows? I wouldn't put it past Kumazaki to pull something like that.

>>29085675
Triple Deluxe brought back Dark Meta Knight from Amazing Mirror, and referenced the Dedede fight from Dream Land 3. Robobot brought back Dark Matter from Dream Land 2 and Nova from Super Star. That's the thing I like about HAL, they do a great job of referencing older stuff while still always being creative and new.

File: KPR_Metal_Guardian.png (125KB, 247x183px) Image search: [Google]

125KB, 247x183px

>>29085720
They even brought back Metal Guardian only to make it so you couldn't inhale him. What a fucking cocktease.

File: 5Da5DG6.jpg (164KB, 634x349px) Image search: [Google]

164KB, 634x349px

Would you guys fuck heavy lobster?

Kirby games are well made for one. HAL is a tip top developer unlike Gamefreak who still can't figure out things other developers knew how to do 4 years ago.

>>29085672

Because they gave lazer to Robobot Kirby in the form of Spark.

File: 1475790093839.gif (133KB, 275x225px) Image search: [Google]

133KB, 275x225px

>>29085477
>>29085551
>There wasn't a Yoyo ability or Yoyo Robobot mode

>>29085779
I do love that about HAL. They're good at referencing their past games but still good at pumping their news games with fresh ideas.

>>29085492
All these retarded opinions

>and you hate HGSS

So sweet

File: sound test.jpg (27KB, 550x550px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 550x550px

Post best tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD8qIEVna1s

>>29085795
Well, fuck.

I didn't even recognize that enemy.

>>29085672
Hopefully Kirby NX is the cel shaded Kirby 64/GCN-esque game that somehow does better than the past few games.

File: Bombar.jpg (45KB, 250x204px) Image search: [Google]

45KB, 250x204px

>>29085720
I'm surprised they didn't bring back Bombar and give him the Jet ability. He's literally a giant, cartoon fighter jet.

>>29085177
>How do you 100% complete a Pokemon game?

All Stars/Gold on your card is probably the closest to a 100% in the Pokemon games.

>>29085866
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdZ7n2Kz_NM

Don't mind me. Just postin' the best track in the series.

>>29085866
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBvUH48bY_I

File: 1471392198085.png (55KB, 152x147px) Image search: [Google]

55KB, 152x147px

>>29085720
>Dubior still gives Spark while UFO exists in the game
>Mr. UFO only appears in the Ability Room after 100%-ing the game
Amiibos were a mistake.

>>29085869
>>29085795

I fucking swear I knew that enemy from somewhere.

>>29085883
The Gamecube game looked really fucking cool, and I wish it had seen the light of day.

>>29085934
>They could have locked Spear behind Waddle Dee's amiibo

>>29085956
>TFW

Man, it really did look awesome. It had that great gamecube aesthetic, looked a lot like Melee. Apparently it was pretty far done, I wish some rich person would pay an obscene amount of money and get it off of Sakurai or whoever has it, if anyone still does.

File: Kirby's Avalanche.jpg (77KB, 459x1600px) Image search: [Google]

77KB, 459x1600px

yo is this a kirby thread

>>29085866
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1F_P8qLewA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMyYAZ_Whb0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fz_xsHzSvQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UgMSABx_qI

File: alolaraichu.jpg (50KB, 460x276px) Image search: [Google]

50KB, 460x276px

>>29084488

>>29085991
>Moonlight Capital

My negro.

File: sad kirby.png (55KB, 207x198px) Image search: [Google]

55KB, 207x198px

>>29085984
>tfw when Helpers will never come back

>>29085904
How does Jun Ishikawa do it? Every track he touches turns to gold.

>>29085984
I'm sure they still have some of the assets, but a lot of them were put into RtDL.

The style did look fucking great, though. And helpers being in it made me erect.

File: 1437108903570.gif (1MB, 300x223px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 300x223px

>>29085866
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3AMsrDetUQ

>mfw they remixed this for Robobot.

>>29086077
>Pyramid stage remix
>Doesn't play in Robobot's actual pyramid level

This remix is still fucking based, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpF_awcmihk

>>29085829
But there's a lot more that could be done with a potential Laser ability than Kamehameha, Plasma Edition. A thin, aim-able, rebounding laser attack similar to The Binding of Isaac's Technology items. A fast dash attack that turns Kirby into laser blast similar to Sonic Colors' Laser Wisp, or Pikachu's Quick Attack in Smash. A strong, wide beam similar to Copy's Attack. Then just make the main attack quicker so you can do your best Melee Fox impression and you're golden.

>>29085866
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTV8r9Sxm4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG5q7JNVx7g

>tfw when Magic will never come back because of Circus
Fucking clowns.

>>29086290
I could see Animal and Magic returning like Jet and Mirror did.

>>29084584
underrated post

>>29086290
Magic has so much potential, I'd be more surprised if it never returned.

I haven't played since kirby tilt n' tumble, what have I missed out on?

>>29084488
kirby didn't cut all the challenging end game content unlike pokemon

File: 1457108315616.png (964KB, 1500x750px) Image search: [Google]

964KB, 1500x750px

>>29086508

>>29085477
>it's in his dash attack in ssb
>hasn't been an ability since forever
oh god do I miss yo-yo

File: 1454530083263.gif (412KB, 319x239px) Image search: [Google]

412KB, 319x239px

What's the best ability for True Arena in Robobot? I've gotten as far as Sectonia

>>29086583
ESP. Just get to the top of the screen and spam Psychokinesis. Most bosses won't be able to hit you, and those that can don't have many attacks that can actually hit you. Galacta Knight will be an issue, but hey what else is new?

>>29086561
Speaking of Smash, it saddens me that Kirby gets nerfed or becomes more outclassed every time a new Smash is released.
Does any of your favourite pokemon experience the same, /vp/?

File: 1410629313695.png (2KB, 112x96px) Image search: [Google]

2KB, 112x96px

>clean will never ever come back

>>29085177
>How do you 10% complete a pokemon game?
Catch 'em all, duh.

File: kirby is depressing.jpg (127KB, 640x360px) Image search: [Google]

127KB, 640x360px

>>29086508

Lore.

>>29086583
I use stone

File: what i played.png (1MB, 986x1378px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 986x1378px

>>29086508

Canvas Curse will always be the best kirby game.

File: WHEN DAT KIRBEH IS JUST RIGHT.jpg (96KB, 500x543px) Image search: [Google]

96KB, 500x543px

>>29086214
>those classic Kirby samples in both themes

Based Ishikawa never fails.

>>29084821
>you can skip 90% of those by floating
Who beat you as a child?

>>29086762
cum inside me senpai

>>29084488
an easy platformer can still be satisfy and entertaining to play, kirby does a good job of giving you a ton of powers to play with and letting you rampage through the game.

an easy rpg is pretty much just a glorified book, and pokemon has never had the best story so its a shit book at that

File: HNI_0014.jpg (53KB, 283x212px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 283x212px

Ya' know, some would say that Marx was a 50/50 boss battle.

File: HNI_0038.jpg (95KB, 471x750px) Image search: [Google]

95KB, 471x750px

>>29085866
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjtBeUgxDkw

>>29086290
Squeak Squad abilities are just underrated in general. They all need some tweaking, especially Ghost and Metal, but they were still pretty fun and useful. It's a shame we haven't seen any of them since.

>>29086583
I really like ice, but that's more for the fun factor. The ice ball attack is a great invincible move and keeping the ability to spit back stuff is great.

I often see people mentioning hammer because of how damaging it is. And also there's rock, but that seems a little too boring imo.

>>29086924
oh man anon, my sides are spiltting

File: KIRBYS FUCKING PISSED.png (65KB, 188x188px) Image search: [Google]

65KB, 188x188px

>>29084488
The Kirby fanbase is very very accepting of blatant garbage.

Kirby can still be fun without being challenging, though, because it isn't an RPG; in an RPG, the fun comes from overcoming obstacles, or collecting stuff. If a Pokemon game is piss-easy, that only leaves the "collecting stuff" part to be fun, which, beyond collecting all your favorites, isn't super fun. And competitive PvP stuff can be emulated for free on Showdown.

That being said, the Kirby fanbase doesn't outrage. Period. Most people will accept a shitty kirby game "because it's just a kid's game", even though that doesn't make it any different from any other Nintendo game. Look at Rainbow Curse, for example; it's a shitty remake of Canvas Curse, an early DS launch title, sold for $20 more, with less mechanics, yet people still like it solely because of the visuals. Look at Planet Robobot; once again, a lazy remake, with the only real additions to gameplay being a few new abilities and the robot thing (which, while it WAS solely used for puzzles, was admittedly much better than the mega-suck thing from Tiple Deluxe). However, beyond that, everything else in the game is just a rip-off from another Kirby game. The only original bosses are the Wispy Woods clone, the Dedede clones, the Susie fight (which is then copied by the Haltmann fight), and the Star Dream, which ends up just being Galactic Nova painted white. The bosses were easier, the levels themselves were a cake-walk, the secrets were easier to find, and the post-game mode (Meta Knight) was just a clone of Meta Knightmare, and was a lot easier than the Dedede mode because of how fucking fast Meta Knight can zip through the levels.

tl;dr there are bad kirby games, it's just that most kirby fans will eat up anything with the "Kirby" name on it.

WHEN THE FUCK IS KIRBY AIR RIDE TWO, HAL?

>>29086986
Probably because Squeak Squad is the closest the main series has gotten to bad.

>>29085477
>Angel's been replaced by Archer
>Water's been replaced by Poison
>Yo-yo's been replaced by Whip
JUST

File: HNI_0079.jpg (85KB, 523x332px) Image search: [Google]

85KB, 523x332px

>>29087024

>>29085814
Fatty whale > Mecha Crab

>>29086976
damn that's a good one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peXtJT1Qebk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UejRVP9zKc

File: drem eat this.png (558KB, 625x551px) Image search: [Google]

558KB, 625x551px

>>29086976
>dat laughter

File: HNI_0025.jpg (26KB, 308x308px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 308x308px

>>29087057
>Planet Robobot
>A lazy, garbage remake

I have a feeling that I've see you somewhere before.

File: juj.png (92KB, 295x229px) Image search: [Google]

92KB, 295x229px

>>29087120
I really, really don't like Planet Robobot, man.

>>29084894
>obviously hasn't played Kirby

File: futile.jpg (27KB, 434x291px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 434x291px

>Pause screen during the final drill part in Robobot.
>It's basically Star Dream going "Well, I'm fucked."

File: HNI_0068.jpg (157KB, 600x596px) Image search: [Google]

157KB, 600x596px

>>29087192
Ah, well. To each his own.

I personally think Planet Robobot is one of the best games in the series.

Even if you dislike it, it's still better than that shitshow Squeak Squad.

>>29087057
>Robobot was a lazy remake
>any game with completely new levels but the same engine is a remake
I suppose that makes ORAS a remake of XY, Majora's Mask a remake of Ocarina of Time, and Amazing Mirror a remake of Nightmare in Dreamland.
>Star Dream, which ends up just being Galactic Nova painted white.
>a boss that plays completely differently is exactly the same

>>29087057
Man, I'd take the Robobot Armor over Super Abilities or Hypernova any day. Better puzzles, better boss fights and much more utilization.

>>29085884
>missile is still gone
What the fuck is the point of removing abilities?

>>29086626
I remember Kirby being OP in OG Smash, weird in Melee, and retarded in Brawl. Was Sm4sh good to him?

>>29087306
I guess to keep balance.

You can't really have 40+ abilities in one game.

>>29087306
Avoiding bloat. Otherwise, we'd have somewhere near 50 abilities at this point. There's not enough levels to fit all those enemies. I do like how they are incorporating underused abilities into the more popular ones more and more though, like what they did with Plasma and Throw.

>>29087057
>WHEN THE FUCK IS KIRBY AIR RIDE TWO, HAL?
It already came out. It's called Smash Run in Smash 3Ds.

>>29087356
He was incredibly shitty at launch but balance patches slowly fixed him. He's somewhere around mid tier and the top of low tier at this point, depending on who you talk to.

File: 1473912770963.png (186KB, 358x314px) Image search: [Google]

186KB, 358x314px

>>29087387

File: HNI_0061.jpg (30KB, 680x510px) Image search: [Google]

30KB, 680x510px

>He hasn't beaten Meta Knightmare Returnd in under an hour

>>29087260
>Better puzzles
Yeah.
>Better boss fights
You use it in a SINGLE boss fight the entire game, not counting the Halberd form.

I loved the mech, don't get me wrong, but that alone doesn't save the game.
>>29087257
Alright, so remake wasn't the right word to use, but it still feels lazy. The level design isn't very different, with, again, the only difference being that you use the mech instead of Super Abilities. Plus, the game is just flat-out easier than Triple Deluxe. If it was harder than Triple Deluxe, I'd like it, but it somehow manages to be way easier.
>>29087255
>I personally think Planet Robobot is one of the best games in the series.
I don't mind if you like Robobot, but the best? That's just delusional. What about Superstar? Amazing Mirror? Air Ride?
>Squeak Squad
I haven't played that game in ages. Why exactly does everyone hate it? I remember liking it. At least, I don't remember any glaring flaws or anything.

>>29087356
Oh you know it dude

File: 1475551248072.jpg (17KB, 278x293px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 278x293px

>>29087387

>>29087479
Air Ride is a racing spinoff

>>29087356
He's slightly worse than in Melee, but far better than in Brawl. He's definitely a solid mid-tier character.

>>29087356
better than brawl

File: [HorribleSubs] Amaama to Inazuma - 11 [720p].mkv_snapshot_09.42_[2016.09.19_19.07.20].jpg (68KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

68KB, 1280x720px

>>29087422
>Thought Meta Knight's henchmen were the coolest shit ever when playing KSS as a kid.
>They pretty much vanish from the series.
>They're back as Meta Knight's super attack in Robobot.

File: Kirby Air Ride.png (192KB, 500x332px) Image search: [Google]

192KB, 500x332px

>>29087495
A damn good racing spinoff.

>>29087496
>slightly worse than melee

>>29087479
>SINGLE boss fight
What are minibosses?

>>29087543
I meant a single mini-boss fight.

I played through the whole game, every level, and unless there's some sort of hidden mini-boss I didn't see, there was only one time you got to use it in a mini-boss fight.

File: 1440117634301.jpg (161KB, 341x354px) Image search: [Google]

161KB, 341x354px

>>29087496
>slightly worse than Melee
>better than in Brawl
These are contradictory statements, anon.

File: HNI_0026.jpg (57KB, 500x375px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 500x375px

>>29087479
>Air Ride
>Better than Robobot

>>29087534
He was good in Melee if you swallowed people and shot them 2 miles under the stage.

>>29087479
>Squeak Squad
Boring, barren, and ridiculously easy levels, lackluster visuals and soundtrack, shoehorned-in touchscreen gimmick, and uninteresting final boss.

And although I'm not the anon you're replying to in this regard, I'd just say that it's very difficult for me to play any main series game outside of the "Return to Dreamland trilogy" and Super Star because all of the abilities feel horribly limited.
>>29087509
>he didn't play Super Star Ultra

File: YA FOOL.jpg (53KB, 457x339px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 457x339px

>>29087588
>Robobot
>Better than Air Ride

>>29087605
Well SSU is a remake of Super Star. It doesn't really count as a return appearance for the meta-knights.

>>29087644
Mass Attack then.

I hope SM takes an example from Kirby games and continues to delve into horror as the Ultra Beasts continue to show up until you are fighting some screaming hell clown bat.

>>29087670
>implying a single person on the fucking planet has played Mass Attack

>>29087670
Granted.
Full length Kirby Quest eshop title when

File: HNI_0057.jpg (23KB, 349x344px) Image search: [Google]

23KB, 349x344px

>>29087678
>Implying Game Freak would do anything even remotely similar to a Kirby final boss

>>29087720
>Dark Matter.jpeg

>>29085546
It's a fucking platformer. Almost all of the games are platforming stages, they just aren't connected by a cohesive story, which doesn't matter in a platformer. Super Star has historically been known as THE Kirby game. That aside, the games since you stopped have been decidedly more action focused. I don't want to hear someone who stopped playing Kirby 10 years ago try to tell me how Kirby games are.

>>29087702
Is it really that unknown? I mean, I know it got majorly screwed by being released so late, but come on, Black 2 came out 3 months later.
>>29087715
>not Strato Patrol EOS

>>29087479
Amazing Mirror has some map issues and is a pretty different type of game just because of the way the world is designed. I wouldn't fault somebody for having it as their favourite, but I don't think it really has any business being brought up when it is so unlike other Kirby platformers. The same goes for Air Ride. I like both of those games but I'm not going to have a conniption when someone doesn't think the multiplayer open world game or the racing game are obviously the top games in an action platformer. As for Super Star, it came out a long time ago. Return to Dream Land, Triple Deluxe, and Robobot all build off of its formula, and I think the newer games are easily on par with Super Star Ultra.

>>29087702
Hey man, say what you want about the main game, but the subgames were some of the best in the series.

File: marxsuperstar.jpg (92KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

92KB, 1280x720px

>>29086924
I fucking want him back god dammit.

File: NiDL_Nightmare_Wizard.png (319KB, 532x401px) Image search: [Google]

319KB, 532x401px

>>29087888
I loved stratos. It's my favorite mass attack minigame. It was good, but Nightmare being the final really sold me on it.

>>29084956
Wheel is the OP power in Robobot

>>29084953
Weakness to rock.
Are they related to talonflame?

>>29088012
>wheel rider will never be back

File: 1457712809643.jpg (392KB, 1280x1707px) Image search: [Google]

392KB, 1280x1707px

>>29087057
>Look at Planet Robobot; once again, a lazy remake

Fuck You.


Just Fuck You.

File: OH MY GOD.jpg (16KB, 254x234px) Image search: [Google]

16KB, 254x234px

>>29084488
>2 of my favorite series
>in one thread

>>29087787
>Mystery Dungeon

File: brionne.png (80KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

80KB, 500x500px

Yfw you wish on Nova to make your cute pokemon real.

Is Kirby the most hardcore hero ever? Pretty much every came has him battling horrifying nightmare creatures, and he never hesitates to face those fuckers and hit them right in their screaming faces

>>29088114
I love the fucking lore in this series.

File: HNI_0006.jpg (91KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

91KB, 500x500px

>>29088139
>The Heart of Nova entry

>>29088114
>Kirby Super Star Ultra
Kirby murders a clown
>Kirby Canvas Curse
Kirby destroys fine art
>Kirby Mass Attack
Kirby clones himself and beats up the god of death
>Kirby's Return to Dream Land
Kirby helps a pal, then kills him
>Kirby Triple Deluxe
Kirby leads a revolution against a monarch
>Kirby Planet Robobot
Kirby troubleshoots a computer and helps it delete system partitions

Can anyone stop this pink menace?

>>29087999
Yeah. Honestly I wish Nintendo would get HAL to work on their next 2D Mario game because good lord has the series gotten stale.

>>29088227
>ignoring the Dark Matter saga where he literally takes on the embodiment of evil

>>29088076
Planet Robobot is a fantastic game, but he is right about the bosses, which I don't see many people mentioning. Robobot has Whispy Remix, Kracko/Doomer/Ice Dragon/Coily Remix, a completely new and fresh boss in Susie, Meta Knight Remix, Dedede Remix, Meta Knight Re-Remix, Susie Remix, and Star Dream, which is a shooter. That's part of the reason why I feel Triple Deluxe was a stronger game, despite having a worse gimmick. On top of better bosses (Pyribbit aside), it rolled its gimmick into its finale better. You're technically using the Robobot in the final boss fight, but it's just flavor, you're really using the Halberd. I'd have also liked for Robobot's True Arena final boss to have been the normal final boss. Robobot ends a bit too soon.

>>29087920
>Amazing Mirror deviates from the formula, so I don't rank it with the other Kirby games.
That's like saying G/S/C shouldn't be considered when ranking pokemon games, because the level scaling is different and you go to a different region.
Personally, Amazing Mirror is my favorite game in the series. Trying to 100% the map was fun, even if it was a bit frustrating at times. At least it was a challenge.

As for Air Ride, I'm not really saying it's a better "kirby game" than Robobot, but I certainly got far more enjoyment out of it than Robobot.

>Super Star is old, therefore the newer games build off of its formula.
If by "build off of its formula", you meant "they are from the same series", sure. But saying the newer games are based on Super Star because they came after is like if I said Air Ride is based on Kirby's Dream Course because they're both spin-offs where you control Kirby in unorthodox ways.

>>29087888
I genuinely had no clue Mass Attack was a thing until I saw it in a store a year or two after it came out. It got virtually zero advertising.

>>29085866
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHRqcXV8vhk
Air Ride had some fucktastic shit too. There's really no game with bad kirby music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5bjezf7JY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh-yLIXnc14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDBj_BWM9Sk

>>29088227
I don't think even Mario or Link can match up to Kirby's track record.

>>29088302
Shame. Probably the most underrated game in the series.

>>29088076
>>29088257
I mainly come off as being so harsh towards Planet Robobot solely because of Triple Deluxe; it just felt unneeded, and it didn't bring enough to the table to really validate its existence, for me. If Triple Deluxe didn't exist and Robobot was the only Kirby game on the 3DS, I'd probably consider it, at least, a pretty good entry to the series. But, given how closely it resembles Triple Deluxe, while also being worse in several areas, makes me feel like it was just a cheap cop-out to keep Kirby popular.

puyo

File: Drawcia.png (165KB, 618x678px) Image search: [Google]

165KB, 618x678px

>>29088109
Yfw you wish on Nova to make your cute waifu real.

>>29084488
Pokemon has a competitive element. By nature, it attracts the autists that have something to prove, but don't have a real outlet to do it (such as a physically demanding sport).

With Kirby, you're just taking a stroll through the game for comfy.

File: KirbyO.png (51KB, 229x345px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 229x345px

>>29088409

>>29088260
You're an idiot. Super Star has a distinct design to it that differs from the likes of Adventure and the Dream Land games, as well as other Kirby games which follow that formula or their own. RtDL, TD, and PR are blatantly following Super Star's philosophies. I didn't say I don't rank Amazing Mirror with other games, I said it's stupid to make it sound like Amazing Mirror should OBVIOUSLY be in contention for Best Game when it's different from the rest of the series. It's like being surprised someone doesn't put Gale of Darkness at the top of their Pokemon tier list. And no, completely different level design in a platformer is not the same as different level scaling in the backhalf of an RPG. That tells me you don't have a damn clue what you're talking about when you try and tell me there are no distinguishing elements in Kirby games.

File: HNI_0043.jpg (167KB, 419x610px) Image search: [Google]

167KB, 419x610px

>>29088424
>Waifuing a Kirby character

File: HNI_0044.jpg (169KB, 419x610px) Image search: [Google]

169KB, 419x610px

>>29088480

File: Taranzavatar.png (111KB, 256x256px) Image search: [Google]

111KB, 256x256px

>>29088480
You can't tell me what to do, motherfucker.

File: HNI_0045.jpg (166KB, 419x610px) Image search: [Google]

166KB, 419x610px

>>29088500

File: 1399181005305.jpg (24KB, 240x312px) Image search: [Google]

24KB, 240x312px

>>29088409
Ka-Kahbii-senpai, yo-you shouldn't be here...

File: HNI_0047.jpg (169KB, 419x610px) Image search: [Google]

169KB, 419x610px

>>29088524


>>29088502
At least waifu someone like the Fairy Queen.

>>29088342
>Kirby sold the Triforce for money.

File: susie why.png (106KB, 500x730px) Image search: [Google]

106KB, 500x730px

>>29088480
>not waifuing a Kirby character

File: 200%.jpg (88KB, 497x732px) Image search: [Google]

88KB, 497x732px

>>29088476
How about you calm the fuck down, friend?

>"Easy" in Kirby
>Still have to look out for secrets, keep tabs on what power you have, and fight enemies while avoiding falling into pits

>"Easy" in Pokemon
>Since it's an RPG and the levels pretty much come naturally you have to either torture yourself and cycle through Pokemon to keep them lower level or you just end up sitting there being bored as fuck as you spam one attack which wipes out the enemy team regardless of typing

File: 1472793731225.jpg (1MB, 1800x1000px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1800x1000px

>>29088208
Kirby fucking shatters that machine's heart destroying any last shred of Haltmann's soul with it.
Fuckin metal

File: Claycia.jpg (262KB, 1094x970px) Image search: [Google]

262KB, 1094x970px

>>29088544
I'll waifu every fucking blob in this god damn universe.

>>29088544
well shit


I don't have the head

File: HNI_0066.jpg (65KB, 838x639px) Image search: [Google]

65KB, 838x639px

>>29088613
you fucking borb

>>29088594
You fuck with Kirby you forfeit all rights to continued existence, Kirby won't lock you away in some prison, he won't seal some ancient evil to that it may return one day, he will break his enemies into pieces, an anything too big for him to eat will be rent unto dust. And he won't even blink.

>>29086976
>Dat laughing

Oh hell yes. Seriously one of the best evil laughs ever.

>>29088729
Both Haltmann and Sectonia both have fucking perfect laughs.

>>29088778
As much as I dislike the lazy-ass lore in Robobot, I can't help but like how over-the-top Haltmann's voice is.

>>29088695
>several kirby bosses scream in pain and bleed
>kirby just goes back to his home and sleeps/eats
Fucking grizzled vet. No wonder Dedede doesn't fuck with him anymore.

File: HNI_0024.jpg (36KB, 293x308px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 293x308px

>>29088821
>Robobot
>Lazy-ass lore

>>29088826
Imagine a Kirby plot where the entire story features Kirby and his home being cut completely out of space and time by the villain, because he knows if he fights Kirby, he's pretty much fucked. So the entire game features Dedede, Meta Knight and Waddle Dee kicking ass and taking names to fight the villain, and after the final battle, the villain has one last plan up his sleeve, but then space cracks open and Kirby comes tumbling out, along with his house, and no one knows how the fuck he escaped, not even the villain. Kirby then finishes the villain off almost as an after thought.

>>29088976
Damn I like this. Tons of main villains have dimensional manipulation abilities too.

File: HNI_0001.jpg (66KB, 500x413px) Image search: [Google]

66KB, 500x413px

I am the president and CEO of Haltmann Works Company.
My subordinates call me...
President Haltmann
Haltmann: Now...native pink thing, Take a look at this.
*A strange machine emerges from the center of the room*
Haltmann: Absolutely incredible. Indeed, It's truly marvelous!
We've analyzed the most advanced civilizations in the known universe.
And with that knowledge, we have reactivated this...
The Mother Computer... Star Dream
Well... Allow me to elaborate.
In compliance with the business plan drafted by Star Dream...
effective today, you are
*emerges in a mech*
terminated!

>>29087572
>All of the regular midbosses
>C.O.G.S.
>Core Kabula
>Gigavolt
>Gigavolt 2.0

So are Dedede and Meta Knight capable of matching Kirby in combat if they went seriously, or does Kirby outclass everyone and everything by miles?

>>29089262
You also fight Holo-Kracko, Ice Dragon, and Sphere Doomers in the Robobot Armor.

File: HNI_0054.jpg (85KB, 400x411px) Image search: [Google]

85KB, 400x411px

>>29084488

>>29089304
Both of them have been serious about defeating Kirby on a few occasions.

Thanks to all the crew dialog, Revenge of Meta Knight is a great display of the antagonists' train of thought while fighting Kirby. Starts off with overconfidence thanks to seemingly having the upper hand, then annoyance with not being able to deal with Kirby, then dread realizing you goofed, then desperation as you throw everything at him in hope he can be stopped (he can't)

my favorite pokemon is kirby

>>29084584
This, and Kirby is comfy

>>29089304
I mean the fact that they both outclass Galacta Knight (who is of questionable canonicity) means that they're all so ludicrously powerful that it doesn't matter at this point.

>>29089522
Even fucking Bandana Dee is more powerful than Galacta Knight.

>>29089304
Reminder that there's an episode of the anime where Kirby inhales Dedede, though Dedede does manage to force his way out later.

File: the most terrifying hero in history.png (75KB, 336x235px) Image search: [Google]

75KB, 336x235px

>>29089476
>then desperation as you throw everything at him in hope he can be stopped (he can't)
Amazing how such a small, cute, pink puff is one of the most dangerous enemies in the history of video games

>>29084584
This.

If you think about it, Pokemon is barely a step above Paradox Interactive games when it comes to actual action.

Haltmann did nothing wrong

>>29089936
We couldn't protect his smile

File: GH.jpg (191KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

191KB, 1280x720px

>>29089476
>TFW dialogue of Revenge of the King as Kirby slowly approaches

It was super awesome watching Dedede throw everything at him, then falling into a solemn acceptance of what was to come as Kirby broke through the last lines of defense. The climactic battle after that with the hype as fuck music made it GOAT.

File: 1474958045952.jpg (432KB, 1038x589px) Image search: [Google]

432KB, 1038x589px

>tfw another computer drags you across time and space to fight some weird orb thing

File: pykumuku a ok.jpg (66KB, 1199x1028px) Image search: [Google]

66KB, 1199x1028px

>>29090021
>that sad remix of Revenge of Meta Knight's credits as Dedede walks through the desert
>his Waddle Dees start following him

File: HNI_0051.jpg (117KB, 400x586px) Image search: [Google]

117KB, 400x586px

>>29090060

>>29090060
He was visibly pissed at Star Dream for summoning him. I can definitely see him as some sort of grizzled veteran who just wants to be left alone but keeps getting dragged back for the dumbest reasons.

One of my favorites
https://youtu.be/ugn2Ly8pQxk

>>29084488
Remember that time Kirby fucked up Majin Buu's shit?

>>29090579
II rememememememememememememe fhfjf fueie 4m494944k4mr r rld0ekd d

>>29085866
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj6pkTO9AEA
The best

File: Galactaknight_KSSU.png (151KB, 306x397px) Image search: [Google]

151KB, 306x397px

Question for you all:

Do you want Galacta Knight's backstory/lore to ever be explored in a future Kirby game? Or would you rather he stay a mysterious superboss forever?

>>29088042
Oh well. Lots of other good aspects may never return.

>>29090693
Mysterious superboss.

Galacta Knight should just be an extra campaign boss.

File: neh.jpg (119KB, 822x325px) Image search: [Google]

119KB, 822x325px

>>29090693
I'd rather have some mind blowing shit story pause screen in one of his battles. HAL sure has something planned to make his fight different and more wicked in the next games.

>>29090693
As much as I'd love to know exactly what he did that got him pretty much locked away from all of time, as well as who locked him away, it'd probably take away some of the magic in future times he showed up.

It's a tough call.

>>29090626
My nigga. This is one of my favorites, also from Milky Way Wishes. Has the same melody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiyK9Lt3PzA

>>29090769
Funny you should mention that, according to Miiverse, you actually see the moment he got sealed away in the crystal.

>>29090907
wait seriously? where did they talk about this?

Because Kirby isn't based on competion and strategy when 90% of the strategy in game is use whatever is super effective.

It doesn't feel good being the best trainer when it's just because everyone else fucking sucks.

File: KPRA.png (2MB, 1869x5859px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1869x5859px

>>29090966
Not that anon and haven't actually read through this yet but probably somewhere in here.

>>29091058
>The Robobot was (technically) the same one throughout the whole game

Makes the ending actually a bit sad.