>"Pokemon was always easy" that's not the

>>29079486
Pls define "casualized"

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>>29079486
They need to introduce pokemon performances to the games.

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>>29079512
So bring back Contests, in other words. I wouldn't mind that, although they'd need to have some serious multiplayer integration.

Thank you.
They were already casual so what fucking need was there to make the games even easier and handholdy?

>>29079510
Teleporting you to where you need to go instead of exploring

>>29079541
>Contest meta
bruh

>>29079510
XY

After playing Alpha Sapphire and then Yellow, I can confirm the newer games are ridiculously easier than the old ones.

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>>29079486
THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE.

The least they could do is add a difficulty setting, if not then I guess I will make up a rule for my playthrough, like limiting the number of potions/revives I can carry or whatever. Anything to spice things up a bit.

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What's stopping GF from putting this in? I never ended up using it so I'm curious if it was flawed or if it's another one of those features that gets removed from game to game.

>>29079546
Pls show me where its confirmed you're not allowed to explore and it teleports you

>>29079602

It was in OR/AS after beating the 5th gym, Wally just takes you to Mauville.

Hopefully it doesn't happen in SM.

>>29079486

RBY was much easier than XY/ORAS and you know it, faggot.

>>29079486
yeah if it's really like they described it's basically one of troll simulators games you find on Steam
Hopefully it's only because those people grinded a lot, it'd be disappointing if things like Totem Battles end up being 2-3 turns matches and that's it you win

>>29079647
Kek you're mad cause it happened once? You difficultyfags sure are something.

Play a difficulty hack if it bothers you so much.

>>29079599
Too much effort for these lazy faggots.

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>>29079486
This.

I'm gonna have to use an unevolved starter and a team of shitmons.

By what definition are we talking about ease? And in what aspect of the game? In battling other players and breeding pokemon or in the main story you only play through one time and then it's never relevant from then onwards?

>>29079679
>he shows you
>haha doesn't count xD

I'm not even here to disagree with you I'm just mad that you were pathetic enough to run off and make another thread about it instead of standing your ground in the other thread.

im just bothered by the forced weakness charts and "super effective" labels on moves. sure its good for new players but what about the ones that have been playing for the last 20 years?

>>29079679
he was giving you an example. it happened like 4 times in total.

plus, did you really think that that was the only reason?

Anyone who says Pokemon has always been easy needs to compare RS to ORAS.

>>29079754
Hopefully you would know that shit already if you've been playing for the last 20 years

>>29079754
Why would it affect them?

>>29079750
>a game's singleplayer content doesn't matter

This newer generation of gamers is truly the worst

>>29079754
If you know them than you shouldn't care because you already know them, dipshit.

>>29079486
BAWWW MY GAME ISNT EDGY ENOUGH.

Kill yourself.

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SuMo is doing enough new that I don't really care about it being "easy" since it'll be refreshing to play through. Unlike ORAS which was so boring I could barely get through it once.

>>29079785
What the fuck are you talking about

>>29079754
>its good for new players

No it isn't. That's like auto aim in an FPS, or one button combos in a fighting game. The entire point of Pokemon's battle system is to figure out what moves to use, and the game just outright fucking tells you. What is even the point of playing?

>>29079762
>>29079762
shut the fuck up

>>29079769
>no one will notice if I dodge the point that the other post is making!

>>29079486
>basing your entire argument on literally 120 minutes of game play
Off yourself promptly

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>>29079806
Sure showed him, retard.

>barely qualify as a game

alright dude

>>29079785
what the fuck are you even talking about

>>29079806
OWNED xD

>>29079486
Don't kid yourself faggot, you'll end up buying the game and in a couple of years you'll be sucking it's dick

Hey, there's this 3DS game out right now called Shin Megami Tensei IV and IV Apocalypse. If you prefer no lube anal penetration try that instead.

>>29079802
what the fuck are you talking about nigger?

>>29079831
noun
3.
a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement or for that of spectators.

by definition, a game has to have some kind of push-back onto the player. something that X/Y doesnt have.

>>29079854
>buying 3DS games
It's current year nigga, we have CFW.

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>>29079754
I thought you had to use the move first for it to tell you this.

>>29079854
>you might play the game at some point therefore your argument is incorrect

Apologist logic is truly confounding.

>>29079524
DENIIIIIIIS

>>29079769
When did I say that?

While I don't find XY to be as braindead as this place says, albeit at least pretty close, there are tons of other things I don't like about them so I'm not gonna praise them like gold or anything because they're far from.

But the fact you ran off to make another thread hoping to shower yourself in like-minded people instead of properly telling people off in the other thread is exactly why you people are fucking cancer to this board. Not because you're wrong, but because you want a fucking "hug"box where no one disagrees with you.

>>29079878
No, you just have to have encountered the Pokemon once. There is no trial and error or critical thinking involved.

>>29079882
>Implying all implications are correct
Fag spotted

>>29079486
>are casualized so fucking much that they can barely qualify as a game
But I felt the same during every game. They've all been so easy that I only ever used Pokemon Centers to restore PPs.

Then dont play it you autist
The games have always been super easy and making them more accessible to new players isnt a bad thing at all

>>29079854
Since when did complaining about something in a game mean you won't buy it?

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> I only play hardcore games for hardcore gamers like myself

>>29079829
nice samefagging, retard

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>do you wanna teleport?
no
>do you wanna use exp. share?
no

>>29079754
If you been playing forever, then you just know: what difference does it make for you?! Why are you mad?

>>29079931
>do you wanna teleport?
I'm not even in their camp but they do force you to get teleported to Mauville.

Also there's no equivalent to the old Exp. Share which is kind of annoying.

>>29079486

Except you fucks are nitpicking nothing

Rotom Dex telling you where to go doesn't stop you from exploring

Exp all being back doesn't mean shit when the exp system is gen 5 based

Hau having the weaker starter is the only questionable choice and it's probably for a reason, it's possible Gladion is your actual rival or Hau gets stronger pokemon

>>29079918
The games don't NEED to be more accessible. They are already easy. Making them even easier just makes them less fun.

>>29079563
Maxie and Archie have better teams in OrAs than in RSE. And even Emerald still had shit movesets

>>29079918
There's a difference between easy and one-buttoning the entirety of XY.

>>29079944
Then don't support it and bitch on TPCi or Masuda's Twitters where there is even a slight chance of anyone mattering actually hearing your complaints

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>>29079941
One. Fucking. Time.

>>29079944
Newsflash you fucking cuck the game isnt designed just for your sperg cucketry.. You dont even know how easy the game is yet, dumbshit.

>>29079647
Yes, because removing that whole huge chunk of walking and not blocking the player at all from backtracking is such a casualization

>>29079904
I made a new thread because the point that I said in the OP was bigger than the discussion in the old thread that we were having anon-kun

>>29079944
You dont know what the game NEEDS you just want to complain and attention whore your shitty view point, accessibility does not hamper veteran gameplay in the slightest beyond "wow theyre making it easier to understand for -children- what the fuck?"

>>29079960
This, I remember a time someone posted Emerald Sharpedo and got a lot of replies complaining about how that was the ORAS moveset and it casualized Archie's Sharpedo into the set that, ironically enough, was actually the RSE set the whole time.

There was also a time where someone said ORAS casualized Wallace's gym puzzle and said it was so easy he'd solve it on the fly, and then proceed to be incorrect.

>>29079599
>What's stopping GF from putting this in?
Nothing. But their games sell really well anyways, so why would they bother?

>>29080007
This is true for things like the type effectiveness hints in the UI, but it does fuck over veterans when you purposely give trainers 3 moves as far as lategame.

>>29079918
but they've always been accessible to new players

>>29079991
Sounds like you want a braindead one button phonefest so you can concentrate on fellating Gamefreak while they fuck your series into oblivion.

I think we know who the cuck is here.

>>29079762
And all of them were optional.

>>29079941
>No old exp. share

When will this meme die? You can get a lucky egg in coumarine

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>>29080007
The game doesn't need more accessibility for children you fucking imbecile. By holding their hand even more they just make it less fun for them.

"Hey wouldn't this game of hide n seek be fun if I told you where everyone is? Then you wouldn't need to figure it out. Doesn't that sound FUN?!"

>>29079563
Yellow was piss easy for me, the illusion that the old games were harder really wore off when I played Yellow VC. Hardest portion of the game for me was Cinnabar Mansion.

>>29080058
Sounds like you want a childrens game to be needlessly complicated for its intended audience so your parents will stop making fun of you for playing such an easy franchise

The problem with a game that is too easy is that it's hard to care for.

If all but the worst options lead to victory, why should you bother about finding the best one? You don't, you just make sure not to do anything too stupid and you should get through the game easily.

At this point, your brain just shuts off and the game becomes more of a chore than a challenge (I definitely felt that while playing ORAS).

>>29079762
Only one of those was mandatory. You probably button mashed through the dialogue and got teleported every time.

>>29079524
>that fucking coverage on his team
I want more of this

>>29080112
When were the Pokemon games ever needlessly complicated you stupid fuck?

No one is saying "make Pokemon games into SMT!" They just don't want them to be even easier than other games in the same series.

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>/vp/ is now okay with pokemon games becoming more and more casualized

Might as well keep asking for more free Lucarios.

>>29079754
People who have played for 20 years already know the type-chart so why should be bother them that the newbies are getting a visual aid?

Besides, it only displays after the initial encounter, by which you should've determined the Pokemon's Type and weaknesses anyway.

>>29079805
It only tells you after you've already tried it yourself and seen the result.

>>29080169
No it doesn't. It tells you after you encountered the Pokemon once. There is no trial and error involved.

>>29079486
>deriving your opinions about game difficulty from the first two hours of gameplay

Are people seriously this retarded?

>>29080097
Yes it does, the more complicated the games got over newer generations the more fans they lose to the mentallity of "i dont have time for this childrens game"
Its a handheld game designed for children and it will never be the hard game secret club you want it to be

>>29079486
No, that is the point. They're games for children. Difficulty as a means to prolong game life is a largely dead design philosophy because games have changed since the 80s and 90s- with this change has come a general decrease in game difficulty. Compound the fact that this is a game meant for kids first that offers them longevity in the form of having a lot of critters to seek out and catch, as well as a variety of diversions, and you can see why difficulty isn't exactly high on the design priorities list.

It doesn't barely qualify as a game, it fully qualifies as one, but you're reading children's literature and asking why it isn't Tolstoy.

>>29079805
senpai, there was a type chart in the gen 1 instruction booklet

>>29080058
YOU ARE SUCH A FUCKING KEK FAGGOT ITS SAD AT THIS POINT.

>>29080058
Play PvP if you really want difficulty

>>29079486
>difficultyfags

It must suck being eternally assblasted because you can't see the writing on the wall and you refuse to come to terms with the obvious facts.

Pokémon isn't and never will be the kind of series you're looking for. Nuzlockes were created for this purpose. B2W2 was the exception, not the rule. There's no large-scale demand for the series to be made challenging.

>>29080150
baw more dumb fag

>>29080097
Pokemon is a series that now has over 800 characters to memorize, not counting the forms

No other franchise - even hard core ones - expects people to memorize that many characters and their stats, likely moves, elemental match ups, and so on

>>29080216
That's right, and you still had to understand it and make the logical connections yourself. The game didn't outright tell you what to use against every specific opponent.

I would have nothing against a built in type chart in the rotom dex, but the moves being labeled is just pathetic.

>>29080238
Anon chimps out at his lack of response

>>29080203
The type mechanic is exactly the same. Adding one extra type doesn't warrant completely removing the need to think about them.

When will you faggots stop beating the "if you want hard play a different series" horse? That's not what people are fucking saying. "Not easier than RBY" isn't hard. The standard is set by this series itself, and it's failing to live up to it.

>>29080212
>games having the slightest bit of challenge is dead design philosophy

That doesn't make it okay.

>>29080355
Except you don't NEED to memorize the exact matchup to beat the opponent. It just helps. It rewards you for understanding and using the type system properly.

Are you seriously implying Pokemon is harder than other RPGs because it has more characters?

Just play online if you want a challenge for fucks sake.

>>29080396
It's a standard set by a niche segment of the audience, though. If there was wide-scale demand for something like difficulty settings then you'd get them. Just accept that you're a tiny minority and that the standards you set are next to meaningless.

>>29079486
Hahaha what the fuck are you even trying to say?

>>29080454
>single player should be completely braindead

>>29080150
>SMT
>needlessly complicated
Lady pls

>>29080470
>It's a standard set by a niche segment of the audience

The "audience" doesn't design the game's difficulty. Gamefreak does. They set the standard with the earlier games in the series.

There is no demand for making the games easier either. That's just gamefreak's misdirected decision.

>>29080007
Are children getting stupider then? Because Pokémon was always for children and this oversimplification was never needed before.

I think that it's just that modern game designers take kids for completely unable retards.

>>29080203
Children have way more time and patience to dump into a game than most adults do though.

I also like how any argument about slight less handholding is taken as "I want it to become an obscure hyper hard franchise"

>>29080475
If you want it to be, sure. If you don't want it like that then take measures to make it more difficult. The audience for an easier children's game is much wider than the audience for a more difficult children's game, that's just simple logic.

Do you niggas get mad about Scan in other RPGs or is this an exclusively Pokemon trigger

>>29080273
>B2W2
>Challenging
Plz stop immediately

>>29080514
GO PLAY ONLINE IF YOU WANT A DIFFICULT EXPERIENCE IN A POKEMON GAME

THE GAMES WILL NEVER BE HARD AS LONG AS THERE'S THE ABILITY TO OUTLEVEL YOUR OPPONENTS YOU STUPID FAGGOT

>>29080557
But muh +5 levels and slightly better AI

>>29079563
What are you talking about? Yellow version is piss easy I haven't had to grind at all and I haven't lost a single battle yet. I actually got bored at cinnabar island and stopped playing it a few weeks ago because it was too fucking easy and gen 1 is boring.

>>29080396
I'm not saying it's okay. I'm saying it is what it is. You can want whatever you want but you should be prepared for an awful lot of disappointment.

>>29080536
Scan usually has downsides like requiring a turn. Other times type modifiers aren't as central to the game, or the game is difficult in other ways. Pokemon has none of these factors.

>>29080569
Go eat a snickers anon.

Also you have to be completely retarded if you think outleveling the opponents is what makes pokemon too easy. If anything being able to outlevel opponents easily means even the dumbest of kids can bruteforce thorugh it.

>>29079486
The problem with X/Y and OR/AS wasn't that they were easy, they were bad because they were lackluster in everything else. A game doesn't need to be challenging to be fun, but OR/AS and especially X/Y were way too safe and "Paint by Numbers" in terms of gameplay and story to be enjoyable, something that S/M strives to do the opposite of. If the story and gameplay mechanics are good then I don't really care about difficulty. But not having good of either of those in X/Y and OR/AS made the easier difficulty more of a glaring problem.

>>29080150
>When were the Pokemon games ever needlessly complicated you stupid fuck?
When they split Ground and Rock into two different types

debate me

>>29080509
>They set the standard with the earlier games in the series.

Why do you think all games need to be more difficult than previous ones? Especially with Gen 1 and its borked mechanics.

It's only a standard because you're considering it a standard. Nothing says that the games need to be progressively more difficult, and nothing says some games can't be easier than others. You just want a more difficult game so you're holding the series to a meaningless standard you pulled out of your ass instead of just pulling your head out and enjoying the series for what it is, regardless of how difficult you want it to be. The great thing about it is that you can make it as hard on yourself as you like. And if it's still too easy then you can just play a different game.

>>29080640
But that literally is what makes Pokémon too easy. That's the primary complaint leveled against X and Y, and the reason that HGSS is considered difficult.

>>29079486
>Sure it was piss easy before but now it's even easier so it triggers me!
KYS
The game is either challenging or not. Pokemon has never been and will never be. Complaining about difficulty level in Pokemon is akin to complaining about how you can't use 6 Pokemon at a time during battles. It's how the game was made. Stop being a bitchnigga and deal with it.

The only significant challenge I remember in the main pokemon games is just Whitney's fucking miltank

DP, BW/BW2 seemed like there were generally better teams and movelists for the important fights, but I didn't find them particularly difficult or anything. The only hard part of the game is the battle tower, but that's more about tricking the game than anything

>>29079486
Turn off exp share

Stop crying

>>29079647
That one time triggered everyone quite a bit.

It happens one fucking time and tears are shed. As if once you're dropped off you can't just turn back around and do what the fuck you want.

Pokemon fans on the internet of some of the most entitled whiny little shits on the planet and they deserve to be disappointed with all the new games.

Fuck you.

>>29079581
you can do that yourself.

>>29079599
they cant even give us multiple save files

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>>29080660
>Why do you think all games need to be more difficult than previous ones?

I literally never said that you strawmanning stupid faggot. I said they shouldn't be significantly easier, like they are.

This is to counter the idiotic "accessibility" and "it's a game for kids!" argument. The games have always fucking been for kids, including the ones that were relatively harder. There was no need to dumb them down back then and there isn't now, unless you're arguing that kids are dumber than they used to be.

>>29079486
It has been casualised in the sense that the games are far less bloated. They just dropped archaic design choices that would be, by today's standard, irritating to deal with. Shit like HMs are still annoying. Any grinding goes down badly because it's just boring with the battle system. They need to be more challenging, and give different reasons to explore, but at their heart they're still kid's games. If it's too difficult for them to get through, they'll play something else.

>>29080712
Yes, it's not that pokémon was ever paritucularly difficult, and most probably don't want it to be actually hard either.

But good team building and slighty better AI like gens IV and V had already make for a more challenging, or at least interesting game than something completely braindead like Gen VI.

The problem is that whenver these discussions arise people assume they're about making something SMT levels of difficulty and start throwing angry fits

S/M actually has more opportunities for actual difficulty than any past generation, because Totem Pokemon and (most likely) Ultra Beasts don't have to follow the same rules that players are bound by. They could use unbalanced or broken mechanics that the player will never have access to. Sure, it's likely that GF won't make anything seriously difficult, but this new game design philosophy opens the door for difficulty in ways that Pokemon games have never had available until now.

>>29080871
>"Elite Four"
>Dustox and Beautifly, Girafarig
>"good team building"
>all gen V gyms but Clay's
>good team building
>shit like DD Dragon Tail Haxorus existing at all

>>29081081
Of course there are bad teams with shit moves. I never said every battle in those games were like that. But there are still far more than in both Gen VI games.
And I guess we agree about the AI being less stupid, at least?

It's more that gens IV and V were walking towards implementing more well thought out team builds and decent AI, without making it overly difficult of course, while Gen VI only took steps backwards in both those aspects. It just makes them feel poorly put together.

>>29081221
>But there are still far more than in both Gen VI games.
Maybe just XY then, ORAS is basically RSE.

>And I guess we agree about the AI being less stupid, at least?
Again just XY, ORAS bothers giving trainers proper movesets even if not optimal.

>>29081221
>>29081316
About the AI

Gen 6 actually dumbs down the Gym 1 AI, but the rest of the way the AI is the same.

It might actually be possible to argue the twins had better AI than RSE actually, because I noticed their AI byte actually seems to be calling an AI geared for doubles, unlike the Gen 3 doubles AI which can be really fucking stupid at times.

>>29080430
Look at it from the perspective of a new player

"Oh Flygon, looks flying, let's use Thunderbolt!" "Oh look a blue crab, lets use Seed Bomb! Oh it just killed my mon with Mach Punch"

Besides, the type stuff has been irrelevant for a long time reguardless as even Gen I was included with a type matchup chart. All this does is remove a step with looking up stuff. Now if it says stuff like Seaking being immune to Electric attacks or an Alakazam being oddly weak to Fightng, then there's an issue as it is giving info you should in no way be able to have (Seaking having Lightning Rod, or Zoroark being illusioned as a psychic type)

bait

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>>29079524
Fucking this

>>29081848
He posted BW1 Hydreigon, not that shitmon.

>>29081848
>frustration

...really makes you think...

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>>29081924
Really now?

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>>29081623
>it's bad for people to figure stuff out
I made the same mistake but just learned through trial and error, why can't everyone else? Unless these fucks are doing nuzlocke runs there is no reason for so much forced handholding.

>>29081975
>hits less things for less damage
>is lower leveled
>prone missing with Dragon Rush
>dies faster if it ever hits
Yes.

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>>29082063
>hits less things for less damage
What do you even mean by that?

>not having a hacked 3DS

I bet within a week there will be a hard mode hack

>>29082102
Hydreigon is a primary sp.attacker, so sticking useless, shit, physical moves on it only ensures it wouldn't be as powerful as its BW1 counterpart.

>>29082118
Didn't it take quite a while for a good ORAS hard mode to come out?

Regardless, most hard mode hacks make changes to pokemon types/movepools, which I really disagree with.

>>29082102
A physical Hydreigon with not-so-good coverage is not as powerful as a special Hydreigon with more type coverage.

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>>29081623
>All this does is remove a step with looking up stuff

>Games should just have a built in walkthrough telling you what to do next, it removes the step of looking it up on gamefaqs!

Casual logic.

>>29082173
While I understand that Hydreigon does have a higher Special Attack, it's not like the Attack Stat is garbage, maybe it was done to throw off people expecting a special attacker only to be bamboozled. Besides wouldn't the Life Orb make it hit harder?

>>29082173

Superpower is common coverage on Hydreigon.

>>29082232
But even with that logic it still has horrible type coverage. Hell, a pure steel-type could completely wall it out, unlike the BW 1 Hydrei.

>>29079486
reminder that the average autist's definition of "casualization" is the option to have a "cut to the shit" mode
autists here think grinding is anything but tedious
it isn't

>>29080859
>I literally never said that you strawmanning stupid faggot.

You said the previous games set some sort of standard that I'm just not really seeing. There is no standard of difficulty aside from one you're projecting onto the games themselves.

>unless you're arguing that kids are dumber than they used to be

I wasn't but I'm pretty sure this is true, at least to an extent. We live in the age of instant gratification. I can't imagine a five-year-old these days having the patience to navigate Kanto before having several fits, at which point their shit parents would just hand them their iPhone and let them play some other game.

>>29082214
People do actually look up types online though, or in gen 1's case, in the manual.

>>29082308
>Steel resists Dark in Gen 5
Okay good point, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it a shitmon.

>>29082312
>heh.... the kiddos these days......wouldt be able to handle it.....not like me....
Every time.

>>29082379
Are you saying that overall games intended for children haven't gotten easier? Because you're wrong.

Games used to be difficult so they would last longer since you couldn't fit much in a game.

Nowadays that's not a problem, and games intended for younger audiences are naturally easier, that just makes sense. There's no series where difficulty is a focus for children.

XY and ORAS are decidedly easier, I just don't care because I realize this series is intended for children and I've never found myself stumped by it. And that's not gloating, it's just not difficult. Never has been. I just do think children these days are different than children two decades ago. It's not even so much a matter of intelligence, it's more about disposition, patience, and how much value they place in any particular game. Back in the day when games were sparse you played the shit out of it because it's all you had. You made the most of it.

Nowadays you can pick up a smartphone and you have access to a huge library of dumb, small games you can waste time with. The market is flooded.

>>29079805
How is it like auto-aim? Auto-aim literally does the work for you and is useful for all skill levels. Telling you what is effective against what doesn't do everything for you, and is only useful towards new players. Hell. It doesn't tell you what is super effective against what until you fought it. So it's not like a new player is going be flawless either.

it's funny because my 6 year old neighbor says that he thought XY was too easy

>>29082310
This. A lot of my favorites are early game shitmons, so I like being able to beat the game with them.

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>>29079486
If you beat the Elite 4, congratulations, you've completed the tutorial. You now have 3 options:
1) To continue with the main path, learn VGC doubles
2) For a more exotic experience, toy with triple and rotation battles online
3) For the classic endgame, go to Smogon

>>29083739
but anon why cant I enjoy the whole expierience like I did with HGSS

>>29082310
>autists here think grinding is anything but tedious
>it isn't
What's not tedious about having to battle 30+ wild mons to gain one level?

>>29079524

I had no issues with him whatsoever and I didn't even use the cover dragon. Why did people find him so tough?

>>29080844

That's a deliberate design choice so parents have to buy multiple games for their kids instead of making them share.

>>29081221
The XY Ace Trainers have good AI, actually. They're programmed to predict switches and things like that.

>>29083764
You're probably better at the game now. HGSS came out like 7 years ago.

>>29082192
That was when hacking was just beginning to gain steam iirc

>>29079486
I don't care if it's easy, I just care if it's fun.

>>29079754
It's boneriffic to hear the loud noise then read "CRITICAL HIT! IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE"

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>>29083947
>never use Grass moves or Grass types in general
>use Grass moves against Shauna and Diantha
>the only time i do that they switch to Sap Sipper Goodra
mfw also ORAS was fucking hell if you use Shedinja, maybe AS even more, everything has fucking Bite and every Aqua Grunt has Carvanhas that are somehow faster than every other Pokemon and keep flinching everything

>>29079581
They literally did. The EXP share is LITERALLY THE GAMES DIFFICULTY SETTING, but you idiots are too autistic to use it.
>inb4 HURF DURF SELF IMPOSED CHALLENGE
It's no more a self imposed challenge then selecting a harder difficulty in any other game.

I didn't really care about what they are doing other than the gifted legendary and how often npcs heal your pokemon, I remember rival in Oras doing it right next to the house with the heal bed after the desert.

>>29080016
A single shred of integrity or respect or its fans? Oh wait, this is Lamefreak we are talking about.

>>29082192
That's because of the low quality of 3ds home brewing at the time. Now that the 3ds is cracked REDICULOUSLY wide open, it's a non-issue. Heck, it's good enough that we will likely have save editors before the actual game is out, just from the demo data mining.

>>29084124
>It's no more a self imposed challenge then selecting a harder difficulty in any other game
>harder difficulty made by the creators
That's litteraly the exact fucking opposite you fucking nigger, it's a challenge GIVEN to you by the staff working on the game instead of arbitrary bullshit we have to make up ourselves.

>>29084482
Indeed i agree with anon but not their use of nigga.

>>29084482
>disabling the thing that is literally given to you with the line "HEY THIS WILL MAKE THINGS EASIER, BUT YOU CAN CHOSE NOT TO" is a self imposed challenge
I bet you play on Shift mode to, because Set mode is a self imposed challenge, right? :^)

Because if not, the only differences between it and Shift/Set are that it shows up 15 minutes in instead of right away, and it's in A DIFFERENT MENU, OH NO.

>>29083895
Because /vp/ is just plain bad at Pokémon. Are you new?

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>>29084693
>play Shift mode to
>to
Into the trash your stupid opinion goes, also nice, memey greentext XD. Did you learn your skills from Reddit?
Also #harambe XD

>>29079524
I will never forget how fucking hard /vp/ and /v/ both bitched about it. They even depowered him in BW2.

>>29084800
>a typo invalidates an argument
I'd rather have someone make a typo than post that shit from their phone and

The Exp share is not a difficulty setting. It is How much do you want to grind setting.

It does change Trainer AI, trainer rosters, trainer item usage or trainer levels.

It's as much a difficulty setting as an RPG that just bloats HP to set difficulty

>>29079510

>the games are more "handholdy" (as in there's always some fuckwit NPC to interrupt you everywhere to tell you exactly where to go, or even take you there, whereas in the older games if you didn't carefully read the dialogue, you'd have some form of trouble)

>trainers gave out less money so for the most part you couldn't really just stack potions and heal spam+ PP Stall a "difficult" part in a game. Also the introduction of Herbal items meaning healing items were even cheaper and had no concequence to using them unless you were training a Golbat/Togepi/etc or using Return)

>healing stations in the middle of every route, while the older game seldom used them, only having them in maybe a few places that weren't Pokemon Centers


Yeah Yeah, I know Pokemon was always "Babby's First RPG" but the older games had some resemblence of the typical RPG.

>>29084948
>t's as much a difficulty setting as an RPG that just bloats HP to set difficulty
I fucking hate this. "This boss is just as strong as it was before, but now it has 600,000 HP! Isn't that haaaaard?

>>29079754

I don't really care, many RPG's do this.

>>29083895
Personally, anon, I haven't had a real problem with any pokemon game since Gen IV. With information available online, and years of experience with the series, I haven't felt stumped in a pokemon game for years outside of self-imposed challenges. Its really all about knowing where the answer to each problem is, and with the internet as reliable as source as it is nowadays, that isnt too hard. Really its all about what team you had at any given time, their moves, types, levels, stats, natures, and even the RNG. A lucky crit has made certain battles a complete joke for me, taking down some otherwise difficult opponents. Some people know enough to prepare for any fight, others rush through with little planning and learn as they go through repeat fights and multiple losses.

>>29085011
Right. So let's get back to the RPG part and have the entire game be 1 long straight corridor.

>>29085075
Depends what kinda boss you're talking about too

>>29085123

We're talking about Pokemon, not Final Fantasy XIII

>>29085376
Kanto routes were 2 screens wide at the most

>>29085388
OK.

>>29085255
Any bosses. Exept if it exist some one shot/speedrun method involving set up or limited items